not sure if anyone cares but if you guys are stoned like me atm you can stream all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother these days xD
So that others wont make the same mistake as me: its important, you choose "split itemS at edit or play cursor" (itemSSSS plural !!!) when you choose "item" it does not split all grouped items but onl the one, your cursor is hovering above. Also thank you so much alex. this was a huuuuuge gamechanger for me! :)
I've been transitioning from pro tools these last few months and Reaper never ceases to amaze me (Coming from PT + windows, I gotta say I'd be happy with it not crashing a couple times at every single session). Great tips and really well explained, subbed!
That feeling when you click on a new tutorial by a new person just to see how it feels, the choice of words, the tempo, the timbre of the voice, the levels, all that stuff... and on 00:01 you see that "lost in space" look in their eyes and in 00:02 you click Subscribe.
Hey Alex, just wanted to let you know that this video is what convinced me to begin the transition from pro tools (last five or so years) to reaper. Great tutorial!
I picked REAPER last year as my first DAW for the simple reason that it doesn't cost several hundred dollars. I will probably stick with it for that reason, and also because it seems to have everything I need in a DAW. There are some things I can't figure out how to do yet, but I'm sure that's my own failing and I just need to learn more about it.
Hey Alex, that was of great help!! I've started editing in Reaper instead of Logic because of this video. In my case, when i try the slip-edit method, everytime i split a region, it creates some tiny fade-out/fade-in, but this doesn't seem to happen to you. Is this normal? Thanks a lot!
Nice tricks! Reaper is taking over from Pro Tools for me when it comes to advanced audio editing. We just need groove quantize, and a swing slider like we have in the piano roll, and I'll be as happy as a pig in mud.
Different philosophy :) Slip editing/Beat Detective style doesn't stretch the audio but removes the natural feel of the drummer (dragging, etc). While stretch markers stretch the audio but keeps the natural feel of the drummer.
Hey man, I'd like to ask you something if you have a minute, I've been doing the split & slip editing since forever, using my old Windows with an old version of Reaper, I had on the "alt+s" group of commands bunch like yours and one last one called "cross-fade into split" which automatically did the cross-fade the moment you split it. The problem is I upgraded now to Windows 10 and updated Reaper, and I just can't seem to find that one last command to add... Have you heard about that one, did it change name or something? Is it still possible to do? Thanks
Good stuff, my man! Thanks for the pointers. I didn't even know about the actions/shortcuts menu. The thing about beat detecting in PT is that there are no key commands for it. It looks like you've got a solution to that!
1:11 When I do it, it splits only the one track I hover the mouse over. I've grouped the drum tracks, I've made sure it says split itemS at edit or play cursor. Can anyone please help me?
Hey, guys. On the 1 minute mark there is a list of commands of the macro. I used to have a similar macro 6 years ago on my old 32 bit Reaper, and it ended with "Cross fade items into split". So it basically did even the cross fading with the macro... I can't find it on the new Reapers tho, any ideas where it might went??? Thanks!
Hey Alex! How to you change grid lines spacing so quickly? I always have to open "Snap/Grid Lines Options" to ajdust the grid. Wondering if you have an action for that. You tips are Awesome!! Thank you very much.
Yeah I actually have I think it's "increase grid size by 1/2" and "decrease grid size by 1/2" bound to the "[" and "]" keys. You can find them in the actions window. :)
Hi Alex, great video, I bought Reaper 2 weeks ago myself after being also a cubase user for 8 years. I have problems with quantizing audio in a metalproduction, because there are mixed rhythms all of the time and when I do split editing I discover mainly problems in 2 notes NOT hitting at the same time, flams in a kick and snare track, if i move the kick and snare it all effects my overheads and roommics, so if i first move the kick to the click, all of the stuff is moved to the click, but....then I need to move the snare and it cause strange artifacts in my cymbalsound.. I tried a lot, I dont know how to fix flams.. Do you have some tips???? I checked all the editingstuff on youtube, also by kenny and you, but still it doesnt work for me... THANKS A LOT MAN!!! Cheers, Jeroen Simons, The Netherlands
There isn't really a good way to fix flams. If you have a drummer that can't hit the kick and snare at the same time, record a cymbal pass, a hands/shell pass, and a kick pass so you can edit them all separately. That's the only way to prevent that to my knowledge. It's a nightmare. I just make drummers pay and do takes till they get it right, and sometimes literally just punch in the one hit where the kick and snare are off and have them try it 100 times till they get it close, haha. Or reprogram it.
Thanks a lot man!!! And as a pro drummer myself: Yeah...let us sweat hard...because we are used to practise...;) hahahaha... Otherwise Glenn F. will kick our asses and treat us like bassplayers...no way man...;) Keep up doing great stuff there!! Cheers, Jeroen.
Mashreef Ahmed if it's causing false transients to be detected absolutely. an easy way to do it would be to utilize my DeBleeder plug in over at wilkinsonaudio.com. then render that track with the fx on to new take, transient split and switch it back to the unaffected raw audio.
Will give it a try thank you. Another thing that came into my mind is if we gate and sample replace the snare and the kick (The drum track had bad dynamics) Will it be helpful if those are replaced by one shot samples?
Helpful in which way? For detection purposes? It would most likely help a lot if you're having a hard time detecting the transients with dynamic split. Might be an easier way to do it though, like highpass or low pass that track to try to isolate the kick sound.
I have started drum editing after watching your tutorial. The problem i'm facing is my OH sounds very weird. artifacts maybe. I don't know how to remove them lol
Different philosophy :) Slip editing/Beat Detective style doesn't stretch the audio but removes the natural feel of the drummer (dragging, etc). While stretch markers stretch the audio but keeps the natural feel of the drummer.
(Custom ?) keystroke to the right action i guess. On my computer : - Windows + Page Down : grid : adjust by 1/2 - Windows + Page Up : grid : adjust by 2
+danield00d For stuff like chugs or monophonic leads if the guitar is played clean enough, yes. A cool trick for that is you duplicate your guitars D.I, highpass that track so you just hear the clear pick attack and render it, then group it with the original and dynamic slice the pick attack track so it slices and quantizes the original.
Can anyone help me?? I followed the slip editing method making a mouse modifier but when i do it on my computer it doesn't select all the track below. as soon as i select as spot of time to split it deselects everything except the track i clicked. Am i missing something??
Doesn't anyone want to dectect their tempo from a love recording and set a flowing organic grid to it so you can add midi and other tracks POST making an organic grid? God dammit..
Heavily edited music can have it's own feel as well. Kind of like when you push or pull on a beat as you play, tightly edited music has it's own "feel". You can't get the "feel" of modern metal without editing.
and this how you get the life out of any human performance lol ... i would rather go to the drum set to practice to play more accurately then editing like crazy
No one can play accurate enough for a modern recording to not have drum editing. Same as how no one can sing well enough to negate the requirement for autotune. In regards to radio conventional pop/country/metal. I mean you CAN do it with no editing, but people likely won't like the sound of it vs the edited performance since they're used to the sound of perfect performances these days.
@@AlexWilkinsonYYC I agree with everything you've said... Except from the fact that we the musician are the only one that can change it.... Already youtube Spotify etc. Are applying regulations on loudness... So no more loudness war... Now we need to start creating algorythem that detects whan something is too tight and straights it recognized as M. M. M = MUSIC Made Machine Lol You dicide if you edit your performance or not... I choose to practice the hell out of the piece before I enter to record... And I'm recording at home it cost me nothing... Lol any way most of this quantized music is small portion of the Cannon in D major lol cycling over and over forever lol
70’s,everyone played real drums and if it was a tiny bit sloppy,they kept it on tape,no wonder all drums sound the same in today’s “muzak” era of music.
jjrockjaw, sanctimonious jackasses who think everything should be raw and "pure" are more "what's wrong with music today". There's nothing wrong with "as-is" but don't shit on people who do things other than your way.
I take it you don't care for my oppinion. Would you prefer if I kept silent? Would that make you feel better? I'll reiterate: Slip editing drums like this sucks the life and humanity out of the music. People that abuse their DAW powers should be rounded up and sent to a small uncharted island far far away where they can do no more harm to the world.
For this style of music, it doesn't sound right if it isn't edited to the grid. Just like other styles will sound wrong if they *were* edited to a grid. You might think it sucks the life out of the music and that's fine. This genre probably just isn't for you.
Exactly. I wouldn't do this type of editing to a jazz or blues song because they are supposed to have a looseness to the feel. Most rock and metal songs sound best when they are "tightened up" to the tempo they were recorded at.
Hey dude. Just wanted to let you know this is the video I recommend whenever someone asks about drum editing. Great job!
VikingGuitar thanks mang!
not sure if anyone cares but if you guys are stoned like me atm you can stream all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. Have been watching with my brother these days xD
@Steven Roger Definitely, I have been watching on Instaflixxer for since november myself :D
So that others wont make the same mistake as me:
its important, you choose "split itemS at edit or play cursor" (itemSSSS plural !!!) when you choose "item" it does not split all grouped items but onl the one, your cursor is hovering above.
Also thank you so much alex. this was a huuuuuge gamechanger for me! :)
Probably the best drum editing video for Reaper on youtube. 🤘
Damn, I didn't understand the purpose of slip editing till this video. Thanks Alex.
Love the look of slip editing. Thanks a ton Alex
I've been transitioning from pro tools these last few months and Reaper never ceases to amaze me (Coming from PT + windows, I gotta say I'd be happy with it not crashing a couple times at every single session).
Great tips and really well explained, subbed!
This is truely mega awesome. Never knew about that. This makes my life (and my family life, too) so mich easier. Thank you!
That feeling when you click on a new tutorial by a new person just to see how it feels, the choice of words, the tempo, the timbre of the voice, the levels, all that stuff... and on 00:01 you see that "lost in space" look in their eyes and in 00:02 you click Subscribe.
Hey Alex, just wanted to let you know that this video is what convinced me to begin the transition from pro tools (last five or so years) to reaper. Great tutorial!
Glad to hear it man! I doubt you'll look back, haha. :)
I picked REAPER last year as my first DAW for the simple reason that it doesn't cost several hundred dollars. I will probably stick with it for that reason, and also because it seems to have everything I need in a DAW. There are some things I can't figure out how to do yet, but I'm sure that's my own failing and I just need to learn more about it.
Reaper is the best in the business and there is nothing that you can't do.
AWESOME! It will save me a lot of time! THX!
Awesome vídeo,. Now I really know how to edit drums! That you very much!
So what about bleed with the overheads? Cause those are still playing back my initial sloppy kick hits.
Great video !
Hey Alex, that was of great help!! I've started editing in Reaper instead of Logic because of this video.
In my case, when i try the slip-edit method, everytime i split a region, it creates some tiny fade-out/fade-in, but this doesn't seem to happen to you. Is this normal?
Thanks a lot!
Wow, dude, that's awesome. Thanks!
Thank you!
Nice tricks! Reaper is taking over from Pro Tools for me when it comes to advanced audio editing. We just need groove quantize, and a swing slider like we have in the piano roll, and I'll be as happy as a pig in mud.
Reaper definitely has the swing stuff in the piano roll. And it has groove quantizing stuff as well but I've never looked into how to use it. :)
Check out the LUA: Quantize Tool in reapack! Tons of extra quantize features
Awesome tutorial Alex, I just got confused at the end when you start moving the crossfades around, how do you do that?
So, 7 years later in 2023, I'm trying this but I can't get the folder track to render. Is that no longer possible?
The same job can be done with the stretch markers, which is A LOT easier and faster. Also, those markers work with transient detection as well.
Different philosophy :)
Slip editing/Beat Detective style doesn't stretch the audio but removes the natural feel of the drummer (dragging, etc).
While stretch markers stretch the audio but keeps the natural feel of the drummer.
Hey man, I'd like to ask you something if you have a minute, I've been doing the split & slip editing since forever, using my old Windows with an old version of Reaper, I had on the "alt+s" group of commands bunch like yours and one last one called "cross-fade into split" which automatically did the cross-fade the moment you split it. The problem is I upgraded now to Windows 10 and updated Reaper, and I just can't seem to find that one last command to add... Have you heard about that one, did it change name or something? Is it still possible to do? Thanks
Good stuff, my man! Thanks for the pointers. I didn't even know about the actions/shortcuts menu. The thing about beat detecting in PT is that there are no key commands for it. It looks like you've got a solution to that!
Awesome video !! I use slip editing ant it takes me 1h per song. Same result with your technique but job’s done in 5mn!Thanks a lot!!!!
First thanks for sharing! The short Hihat-splashes seem to work, but how does it work with long cymbal splashes?
Do You gate the drums before or after that?
thank you for this
Great vid!
Probably an obvious answer, but how do you group the tracks so all your edits are on all drum tracks? I don't fully understand grouping in Reaper.
watch the grouping tutorials on ReaperMania :)
When I do the first method For some reason when i split I always get a big crossfade even when I turn autocrossfade off. I'm stumped.
5:27 how did you bring up the dynamic split window?
Wooop found the answer myself!
1:11 When I do it, it splits only the one track I hover the mouse over. I've grouped the drum tracks, I've made sure it says split itemS at edit or play cursor. Can anyone please help me?
Hey, guys. On the 1 minute mark there is a list of commands of the macro. I used to have a similar macro 6 years ago on my old 32 bit Reaper, and it ended with "Cross fade items into split". So it basically did even the cross fading with the macro... I can't find it on the new Reapers tho, any ideas where it might went??? Thanks!
Hey Alex! How to you change grid lines spacing so quickly? I always have to open "Snap/Grid Lines Options" to ajdust the grid. Wondering if you have an action for that. You tips are Awesome!! Thank you very much.
Yeah I actually have I think it's "increase grid size by 1/2" and "decrease grid size by 1/2" bound to the "[" and "]" keys. You can find them in the actions window. :)
Nice! I found it. Actually it's "Grid: Adjust by 2" and "Grid: Adjust by 1.5". It speeds a lot the process. Thank you!
Yeah those are the ones! :)
actually it is '' Grid: Adjust by 1/2 '' and ''Grid adjust by 2'', because one downscales and the other one upscales.
Hi Alex, great video, I bought Reaper 2 weeks ago myself after being also a cubase user for 8 years. I have problems with quantizing audio in a metalproduction, because there are mixed rhythms all of the time and when I do split editing I discover mainly problems in 2 notes NOT hitting at the same time, flams in a kick and snare track, if i move the kick and snare it all effects my overheads and roommics, so if i first move the kick to the click, all of the stuff is moved to the click, but....then I need to move the snare and it cause strange artifacts in my cymbalsound.. I tried a lot, I dont know how to fix flams.. Do you have some tips???? I checked all the editingstuff on youtube, also by kenny and you, but still it doesnt work for me... THANKS A LOT MAN!!! Cheers, Jeroen Simons, The Netherlands
There isn't really a good way to fix flams. If you have a drummer that can't hit the kick and snare at the same time,
record a cymbal pass, a hands/shell pass, and a kick pass so you can edit them all separately. That's the only way to prevent that to my knowledge. It's a nightmare.
I just make drummers pay and do takes till they get it right, and sometimes literally just punch in the one hit where the kick and snare are off and have them try it 100 times till they get it close, haha.
Or reprogram it.
Thanks a lot man!!! And as a pro drummer myself: Yeah...let us sweat hard...because we are used to practise...;) hahahaha... Otherwise Glenn F. will kick our asses and treat us like bassplayers...no way man...;) Keep up doing great stuff there!! Cheers, Jeroen.
How do you select the tracks like you did at 2:48? Holding down the left mouse button only makes a time selection for me.
right clicking and dragging!
and he selected the "items" not the "tracks" by the way :)
"Hit ass" :D
Nice video!)
Thank you very much)
Downloaded this scripts, watched one more time and realized that this is so SICK!)
I`m mean - this is very-very cool thing)
Thank you one more time!!
If there is a lot of cymbal bleed in the snare track will you gate the snare track first in the beat detective thing?
Mashreef Ahmed if it's causing false transients to be detected absolutely. an easy way to do it would be to utilize my DeBleeder plug in over at wilkinsonaudio.com. then render that track with the fx on to new take, transient split and switch it back to the unaffected raw audio.
Will give it a try thank you. Another thing that came into my mind is if we gate and sample replace the snare and the kick (The drum track had bad dynamics) Will it be helpful if those are replaced by one shot samples?
Helpful in which way? For detection purposes? It would most likely help a lot if you're having a hard time detecting the transients with dynamic split. Might be an easier way to do it though, like highpass or low pass that track to try to isolate the kick sound.
I have started drum editing after watching your tutorial. The problem i'm facing is my OH sounds very weird. artifacts maybe. I don't know how to remove them lol
Did they sound weird before you started editing? If not, start again, make sure everything is grouped properly and not being shifted.
thank you! :)
I don't understand why you don't just use stretch markers and quantise those.
Different philosophy :)
Slip editing/Beat Detective style doesn't stretch the audio but removes the natural feel of the drummer (dragging, etc).
While stretch markers stretch the audio but keeps the natural feel of the drummer.
hey at 7:43 how did he "shrink the grid down one more"? i just saw him click back and forth four times like a magic spell lol
(Custom ?) keystroke to the right action i guess.
On my computer :
- Windows + Page Down : grid : adjust by 1/2
- Windows + Page Up : grid : adjust by 2
Epic
Could this also be applied to editing a guitar DI?
+danield00d
For stuff like chugs or monophonic leads if the guitar is played clean enough, yes. A cool trick for that is you duplicate your guitars D.I, highpass that track so you just hear the clear pick attack and render it, then group it with the original and dynamic slice the pick attack track so it slices and quantizes the original.
Sweet man thanks.
i love you
Someone knows how to do this quick slip editing in pro tools?
Can anyone help me?? I followed the slip editing method making a mouse modifier but when i do it on my computer it doesn't select all the track below. as soon as i select as spot of time to split it deselects everything except the track i clicked. Am i missing something??
Don't forget to group the tracks
3:59 ? How did you do that
Put all the subsequent tracks into the folder you mean ?
You just have to click an icon at the bottom-right corner of the soon-to-be folder track.
You’re a freaking dream
Allright!! Me like :-D
Very manual, hard to do alternates.
Slip this on the grid: Matrix 6
Doesn't anyone want to dectect their tempo from a love recording and set a flowing organic grid to it so you can add midi and other tracks POST making an organic grid? God dammit..
look for "tempo mapping reaper" videos
Just shows you don't need much talent theses days . Just edit it all,lose all the feel,and make robot music.
Heavily edited music can have it's own feel as well. Kind of like when you push or pull on a beat as you play, tightly edited music has it's own "feel". You can't get the "feel" of modern metal without editing.
a shitty performance edited like this still won't sound good
and this how you get the life out of any human performance lol ...
i would rather go to the drum set to practice to play more accurately then editing like crazy
No one can play accurate enough for a modern recording to not have drum editing. Same as how no one can sing well enough to negate the requirement for autotune.
In regards to radio conventional pop/country/metal.
I mean you CAN do it with no editing, but people likely won't like the sound of it vs the edited performance since they're used to the sound of perfect performances these days.
@@AlexWilkinsonYYC I agree with everything you've said... Except from the fact that we the musician are the only one that can change it.... Already youtube Spotify etc. Are applying regulations on loudness... So no more loudness war... Now we need to start creating algorythem that detects whan something is too tight and straights it recognized as M. M. M = MUSIC Made Machine
Lol
You dicide if you edit your performance or not... I choose to practice the hell out of the piece before I enter to record... And I'm recording at home it cost me nothing... Lol any way most of this quantized music is small portion of the Cannon in D major lol cycling over and over forever lol
@@AlexWilkinsonYYC Legitimate question here on the autotune front, what about the singers from the records before autotune was a thing?
@@revuutube millenials used to hear an autotuned singers these days.
70’s,everyone played real drums and if it was a tiny bit sloppy,they kept it on tape,no wonder all drums sound the same in today’s “muzak” era of music.
And this is what's wrong with music today…
jjrockjaw, sanctimonious jackasses who think everything should be raw and "pure" are more "what's wrong with music today". There's nothing wrong with "as-is" but don't shit on people who do things other than your way.
I take it you don't care for my oppinion. Would you prefer if I kept silent? Would that make you feel better?
I'll reiterate: Slip editing drums like this sucks the life and humanity out of the music. People that abuse their DAW powers should be rounded up and sent to a small uncharted island far far away where they can do no more harm to the world.
For this style of music, it doesn't sound right if it isn't edited to the grid. Just like other styles will sound wrong if they *were* edited to a grid.
You might think it sucks the life out of the music and that's fine. This genre probably just isn't for you.
Exactly. I wouldn't do this type of editing to a jazz or blues song because they are supposed to have a looseness to the feel. Most rock and metal songs sound best when they are "tightened up" to the tempo they were recorded at.
Doctor McFarland Studios so when the drummer plays live what then? Is somebody going to slip edit in real time?