Rockler VS Woodpecker Table Saw Gauge.
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Rockler just released their version of a table saw alignment gauge. I compare it to the Woodpecker Saw Gauge that I previously bought. Important note: I thought I had recorded some broll footage of me using only the rockler product, but when I went to edit (after I tore all the gear down), I couldn't find any. Nevertheless, both the Woodpecker Saw Gauge and Rockler Gauge measured identical readings. They both performed well. The main difference is the quality of constructions, miter slot alignment type, and case. Either one works well.
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This video and message is James Approved. Love my small collection of red tools but blue all the way in this case. For something I’ll use a few times a year it’s worth the cheaper cost. Keep up on the great videos.
Who said I was going to mail it back?
@@wittworks lol
You guys are hilarious!! ;-)
Thanks for a very even-handed evaluation. Just dropped in to let you and your fans know that we have committed to being in stock on a large group of our core tools, including the Saw Gauge. It should be in stock and ready to ship most of the time. Very rarely would it be out of stock for more than a week.
Thank you!
Going to check yours out. I just bought blue but have too much rocking with their adjustment mechanism and depending where I hold and slide their gauge the reading goes way off. To me, I just wasted $60.
Neighbors are awesome friends who just don't get their due...James is the man!
Very unbiased review. Thank you for that.
I'm going red. The simplicity of Woodpeckers tool improves repeatability and reliability, in my opinion. They now offer a newer model that comes with an extension to check the fen ce alignment from the location.
More money doesn't always mean better quality, but in this case, I think it is, and worth the wait.
Thanks, James! Gotta go red. Kudos to you for nailing the hole alignment in the camera framing. My OCD was satisfied since I know how hard that alignment can be to get right.
Just purchased my first cabinet table saw. Even though it is a named Brand unit, The fence was still couple of Thousands" off. So i Purchased the Woodpecker's Saw Gauge. $ 99.00 dollars plus shipping. I not only learned a lot, but I'm extremely happy I got this measuring device. Additionally my friends table saw is an older unit. Even though it has a Riving Knife the Fence itself was off a-lot.
It cost my friend a lunch to use my newly purchased saw gauge,LOL. Thank You Conroe Texas, USA
I made my own with an old machinist dial indicator I inherited. My runners have zero slop in them which is just a matter of time and effort of learning to dial them in exactly right. The other way is to not make the runner but instead buy one of the newer ones made, dial it in with the adjustment screws and you're all set. Even with the indicator you're still way under the cost of the Rockler even with a perfectly accurate tool.
Don’t forget Woodpeckers is made in the USA!
When I got my table saw (an R4512) 3 years ago, I made my own alignment jig. I bought a dial indicator that came with a heavy magnet base and attached the dial indicator to my homemade jig. It worked ok, but yeah, even the slightest of slop in the miter slot made it more difficult to use than it needed to be.
I bought the Woodpeckers' alignment gauge back in April. Since I already had the dial indicator, I only paid $80. It is so much nicer to use with those miter slot pins. I knew my saw needed adjusting so it was no surprise that it was in the "20 thou" neighborhood. I managed to get it down to .001 with the new saw gauge.
I don't recall if the Rockler unit was available at the time I was looking to purchase a saw gauge. Having bought several small measuring tools from Woodpeckers and already having the dial indicator, if the Rockler unit was available at the time, I think I still would have gone red. The price was close enough and the miter slot pins were just too good to pass up.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Rockler fan, too. I bought the Dust Right 750 a year ago last spring and I love it. Their collapsible hose is the bomb (just remember to get their keyed hose clamps. Others may be backwards and won't work. Ask me how I know). I have their fence clamps and a couple of doweling jigs. They are things that I use and I'm glad I have them. I also like my Woodpeckers, too. It's ok to like both. Besides, blue and red go together, right?
Welcome to Team Purple!
I already have several of woodpeckers tools and I know how amazing they are, so I would definitely be going with team red
Thank you James!
Thank you Sir James.
Thanks James.
I bought the I-Gaging digital alignment tool, I didn't like how it rode in the miter slot. I didn't know Rockler had one but I ended up buying the woodpeckers saw gauge mainly because of its design. it's hard to screw up and no adjustment in the miter slot.
Same. That's exactly why I splurged on the WP
Thanks James
Thanks, James!
Thanks for this vid Drew. I've been asking myself the same question about which I should buy. For me, this seems like a tool I'll only use once a year so I'm fine with adjusting the mitre track and feeling hardened plastic in my hands instead of metal. Rockler for me.
You’re welcome! They both measured the same for me so it’s a matter of preference and tool snobbery budget. The rockler is great.
Thanks James!
I don’t know if it was available when you made the video but I’d now consider an SST saw calibrator. It fits snugly in the price point between the Rockler and Woodpecker versions. Great review, though. Keep up the great work.
I’m into precision so woodpecker the case is important to!
Okay. I have one of these now and got it for $70.00. I paid for the cheapest shipping, about $14.00, but even so, it showed up in about a week. It's a nice piece of gear.
Great stuff! I love Rockler. Their innovations are usually very good quality. Maybe not the flash of Woodpeckers, but Rockler engineers their products for use and cost. I have the Woodpeckers gauge. Yah, I love that self-centering bit. That is, as you said, genius. Rockler did what seems to be a very good job at designing a product to complete the task, correctly, with little fuss, for a decent price. If I were to purchase this tool today, I think I’d probably go for the Rockler over the Woodpeckers. It’s always good to have the choice!
Good stuff! I agree. Rocker measured as accurate as the Woodpecker.
really well made video! Surprised your subscriber count is so low. Keep posting, you'll get up there! Subscribed!
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Use a combination square on the same tooth and your good to go but if you feel the need to go crazy set your combo square a hair short of the tooth and plug the gap with a feeler gauge of the right thickness. Just be sure to measure to the same tooth by rotating the blade before checking again. There I just saved you $$$'s
Thanks James. Blue. I have several Rockler products, all are good and this is a tool that wouldn’t get a ton of usage.
Very true!
Exactly! The biggest challenge with these tools is finding them a year after their first use when you want to check your saw for the second time! (“Now where did I put that…”)
Great video!!! Personal I like the A-Line-It system, as it has the ability to check other tools as well so you get more bang for your buck!
Me too - used it for the first time tonight and worked really well.
YES! Was about to say the same thing. Checked my table saw AND my drill press (for table true-ness and runout) with the A-Line-It. Also checks the trueness of your table saw ARBOR, which the Woodpecker and Rockler don’t do. Hey Wittworks, #suggestion do a vid on the A-Line-It tool and ALL the functions that it can do, not just the miter slot to blade adjustment. Also, one might consider investing in a “Master Plate” and use that for checking your table saw instead of a saw blade. Cheers.
Kudos on another excellent review. Well-balanced and, to my eyes & ears, sincere. I have similar experience with Red & Blue as @Awl That Wood Crafts and others.
One thing I might mention is a possible error that many of us make in evaluating prices. It involves putting a difference into percentage terms. Twice one price varies in actual DOLLARS from the second price as the $ of the first price goes up or down. Twice a nickel is still only 10 cents. Twice $60 ($120) is definitely getting into more thinking about the expenditure. If you struggle with balancing frugality against perceived (and actual) precision, longevity, convenience, etc., it is complicated. Reviews like this help present as many relevant points as possible to finally hit the sweet spot. Thanks, again!
Thanks mark!
Thanks James.... Team blue, I don't think I would use this tool enough to justify red prices. Maybe check the saw blade and fence once a year? Not worth double the price to me.
Solid logic!
I’d buy both tbh, but can only afford the Rockler. Thanks for the comparison man!
That thumbnail 🔥 Good job
Thank you! I was actually nervous about that one and struggled to find an angle I liked
I have a brand new Harvey still in the crate. I'm going with the Woodpeckers because as of today, May 5th, it is only $30 more than the Rockler. For that price I'll go red.
Ordered the saw gauge in “red” today. It was a sale for 69, so it was an easy choice. As far as the ridiculous shipping i know they have with every order, i also ordered the 3 pc set of Paulini rulers lol, also on sale, so shipping was the same, so save another 16 bucks. Purchase justified!
great deal!
Heck yeah James!!!
Some goods went your way this morning!
Team Red. I started with different jigs that were a little inconsistent, which was frustrating and Rockler didn't have their version. I ordered the red one a year ago and have had no issues. The quality, consistency and time savings make it worth it for me.
Thanks! I guess those diy jigs just never turn out when you need precision accuracy.
I don't know James but he seems like a nice guy. Team Blue for me.
C’mon man accuracy and precision is priceless…..lol it’s only $40. More!
I just picked the in the middle of the line gauge price wise from Rockler the iGaging Digital Indicator. It was good to see my Sawstop was in line.
Great! How was your sawstop? I’d expect them the be perfect
@@wittworks .002 out, away from the fence so I can live with that.. but I need to test with other blades just to make sure the blade is not wonkie.
That’s great. My ridgid (sigh) was .02. Actually affected quality of cut. Felt like I had a new blade once I fixed it. Hard to believe but I experienced it.
I bought the red one because it was on sale for $70 plus shipping and tax etc. I did not know the blue one existed and would have bought red anyway. I hated to buy it for possibly a one time in my life use. I will never be able to buy a cabinet Sawstop and will not buy any other brand saw. I have a Sawstop JSS now. But, like my red squares, I wanted something 99.99% spot on.
[Comments help the channel…I get it…] Bought the “A-Line-It” kit years ago. But this comment isn’t really brand-specific. Alignment tools are mostly used for table saws, and most table saws (that are worth buying) will only need alignment once, maybe twice a year. In between, the gauge will sit on a shelf and you will most likely forget where it is and how to use it. I wouldn’t spend too much for a tool as long as it does what it should. Woodpecker is great, but to pull it out once a year and look at it….Just get what will work that one time each year, and then put it where you will find it 12 months later. I think I bought my gauge 20 years ago and somehow haven’t lost it yet. Great item to have, but be practical. Thanks…and here’s your comment! :-)
Good video. Self centering and plastic box are meh bells and whistles. I just want something that is accurate and easy to use. I’ll go with the Rockler and make a holder with the kaizen foam I have.
I replaced my old miter gauge with one from Incra and mounted a dial indicator to my old one to tune my table saw blade and fence.
Great idea!
If I’m not mistaken Wood pecker products are made in the U.S.A. I doubt the dial indicator of theirs or Rockler’s is. That being said I try to purchase American made products when I can. The Woodpecker gauge is better material, design and made here in the U.S. Great video. Thanks.
I would and did purchase the one made in the USA.
BTY. didn't they come out with ver 2?
I know this video is a year old. That being said, country-of-origin may also factor into someone's decision-making; I know that it does for me. I can't find anything on the Rockler where the base or dial-gauge are manufactured. Woodpeckers' gauge is imported, per their website, the other parts are made in the USA. Also, per Woodpeckers website, as of 2024-04-29, they are sold-out of the Saw Gauge, and are accepting reservations with an expected ship date of 2024-06-10.
Probably the tickler to go with my jobsite saw.
Team purple you can check your square of both the miter slots blade without extra tools.
Now that's good! 🤣
Never had a problem with my harbor freight dial gauge on a piece of pine....
I know you did this video a year ago, but I just wanted to point out that saying the Woodpeckers version is twice the price of the Rockler one is a little harsh IMO. In the last year, and even today, you can get the Woodpeckers Saw Gauge for $69.99 😁
I'm team red just because I've already gave them my life savings for my router table, squares rules and things of that nature. I've been trying to justify the saw gauge but I think since I'm building my shop Ill finally be able to set up my delta unisaw that I bought it second hand and took it all apart to clean and grease everything I want something accurate to dial it in. Being a 5hp saw I want everything to be as close to perfect as I can get it.
So great! Do you still have both kidneys? 🤭
Hahaha right. It's worth the cost in my opinion I have a ton of cheaper squares from the home centers like empire and Swanson. I was trying to square up my bandsaw a few days ago with the empire 6" combo square and according that the blade and table were square. Long story short it wasn't so I set that square and a woodpeckers 6 inch on the bandsaw table and the empire square was out of wack. So if I add up the money I've spent on junk I could have bought the woodpeckers stuff a long time ago.
Yep. I had a Milwaukee square that was BAD
It's crazy they can sell that crap. I guess it's mass production at its finest.
I like Rockler for the price plus free shipping when spending over $49.00 ☀️
I am a machinest by trade, extremely fair comparison, for me I like the price of rockler but I do not have great faith in plastic. The self centering on the woodpecker is worth it to me. I will spend 3 hours setting up measuring, re measuring, calculating, and measuring again, then 10 minutes cutting. To ensure ease of table saw setup, bringing it back to 0 after beveled cuts its worth it to me.
Thank you Alex for sharing your experience! I still am impressed with the simplicity of the self centering design.
Totally team red. 😀
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I was hoping to hear performance between the two in your video but it was just about features. Did you have any differences in the readings you got from the gauges between the two or did both accurately read the same? Thanks.
Woodpeckers is having a sell on the Gauge with Indicator for $79.99 which is $20 off normal price. I ordered 1 today and was mailed out via UPS same day for cheap s&h option. I've placed 20 orders through them and they always show up within 5 days w/ cheap s&h.
That’s great!
I'd have to go team red. I guess I live close to their distribution warehouse because I ordered sone stuff last Tuesday or Wednesday and got it Sunday. Plus, I love their stuff.
Boy it must be really dangerous to live that close…
I'm a bit late to the comments, but has anyone had issues with the Rockler option having a sloppy fit in the miter slot? It seems the only adjustment option is the vertical adjustment to level the bar. I'd like it better if it fitted in my miter slots better (like every other tool I use with the miter slots).
For me it's a "Blue if you're a serious dabbler, Red if you're a serious woodworker" - there's no shame either way.
That’s a great thought!
Nonsense, I've been woodworking for 25 plus years. I've owned a few different tablesaws and have never owned a tablesaw gauge. You can achieve an accurate setup with a quality machinist ruler for a fraction of the cost.
I bought a different red brand (A-Line It). Though it works... for the money I spent, more than blue, but less than this red brand I should have bought the Woodpecker. The self alignment with the hard protective case is worth it.
Good to know!
Team red Because it’s a on time deal
Adding the Magswitch T32241 to the mix and comparing all three would be a cool video.
Great idea. I’ve been looking at that one
@@wittworks Also the Stupid Simple Tools gauge (which may not have been available when you released this video?). It's Woodpeckers quality at 20% less.
Informative review of the two gauges covering the differences. I'd go red, just because of the quality difference. Also, if you ever want to sell it, you'd get practically nothing for the Rockler one, and pretty much what you paid for the Woodpeckers one.
However, I made my own from a few pieces of scrap wood and a $13 indicator off Amazon. It is easily as accurate as either of them, or anything else on the market. Yes, don't want to be 'that guy', but it's the truth. Have to say that if you don't have the knowhow to make one, or don't want to take the time to do it, buying either of these (or any other one) is something well worth the money since adjusting the miter slot - and the rip fence - is crucial to getting the most out of your table saw.
Just a general statement about Woodpeckers. Their products are always very very well manufactured, and darn pretty to look at. Part of the problem with them, however, is that a not insignificant portion of their tool line is vastly overpriced, and some of their tools are a solution looking for a problem. Gotta give them credit though, they make quality stuff.
Thank you! I made a cheap one at first and didn’t have the skills to have the right miter slot tolerance. That’s when I broke down to buy the red. I still love it. The self centering is genius.
@@wittworks Agree about the self centering. The first time I saw a review (someone else's) of it, I disparaged it because from the pictures it looked like the roller doing the centering hit on the chamfers of the miter slot, and I knew that could not be accurate. Someone responded that the roller really sat in the slot, and not on the chamfers. Like you say, a genius move on Woodpeckers part.
It was the main reason why I bought it. Especially after I failed at getting a good miter slot fit. I’m telling myself (and my wife) that it was cheaper to buy it than spend my time making one with skills I don’t have. 🤫
I would buy the woodpecker. The selfcentering and a "hard" case is worth the price difference to me. I won't say I drop tools but if I did knowing it has a case rather then the cardboard box it came in is a plus, or if it gets a drink or anything wet it won't matter to the plastic woodpecker case.
If you have a 6” digital vernier caliper already purchase a Mag-Dro Miter Slot Base from Rockler or Woodcraft for $9.99 and have similar results as any of these expensive jigs you will rarely need.
I'm team make your own. Use a dowel for the piece that rides in the slot. It will self-center. Use a screw for the piece that contacts the blade and some feeler gauges to get the gap. There's no reason to spend $100 for something that you'll use so infrequently.
I like your idea about the dowel…
Team Red for me. Theirs was $69 at today’s woodworking show, while the Rockler was $59 at the same show. Woodpecker did not have on hand, but will ship to me for free.
Nice deal!
I would have to go with team blue. The delivery time and cost isn’t worth it to me for something I would use 2 times a year. One of the things I really like about your channel (besides your sarcastic humor) is that you don’t have an $5000 wall of team red behind you.
Thank you Chris! Means a lot. I was nervous to let my humor in, but I’m glad it’s been received.
Can’t go wrong with blue. It was fine. I like the red but it’s a luxury for sure.
I spent the $5k on a nice camera, lens, and video quality lights and mics. 🫣
So my question is this, how do they compare in the accuracy department?
they both read the same readings, so I would say they're equally accurate. The woodpecker is aluminum, so it may last longer, etc...its nicer to use, but the $40 upgrade would be a personal preference issue in my opinion.
Did you test them both? Did they show the same reading?
Exactly same reading. Forgot to shoot broll of it. It was hot in the garage and the baby was screaming
I think you have ask yourself how much do you need to use it. I have a Bosch 4100 series that I’ve dragged to job sites for the last 7 years that has maybe moved .001 with the abuse it’s taken. I used a digital caliper and the mag-dro. I’ve been thinking about upgrading but that saw has spoiled me.
Did I miss it? Did you ever say if they both gave the same readings? We’re they both accurate or did one actually work better than the other? Sorry if I just missed it. Thanks
Same readings
I've no table saw so I'm team money still in pocket. :-) You didn't say how the two measurements compare against each other on yor table!
Nice! They both measured that I was 8 tenths off
@@wittworks should have showed something other than talking about them I got nothing from this
I’m sorry. I thought I had recorded footage and apparently didn’t when I went to edit it. Showing is better than telling. You’re right.
Blue. Would I like to have a Cadillac ( yes ) but my Kia gets me to the same place.
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I have always believed that you get what you pay for. Im not a woodpecker fan. But i think it will hold up better over the years.
You're really going to do well. I predicted that Lincoln St Woodworks would blow up too. Very informative, dry humor. And I've been meaning to pick up one up because I got tired of making the homebrew setup every time I want to check. If you're going to spend $3-$5K for a precision tool, it's OK to spend 3.5% to make sure it's perfectly dialed in. Or so it seems to me. Gotta go with team Red and the (buy once, cry once) rule. Also, I got the Woodpeck one because of the self centering miter sled. That's actually pretty damn ingenious.
Thank you! Appreciate that. I love the self centering aspect. Brilliant. The rockler was fine but I have lots of joy using the red one.
The question is... how often are you going to be checking and adjusting your table saw. If it's
once in a blue moon then go with Rockler. If your like me you go with the pretty self centering expensive model.
I bought and prefer the Woodpecker Saw Gage! How much are your fingers worth? Really!!! $$$$$$
Bravo to rockler. We don’t need another plastic clamshell in this world. A well-made cardboard box would work great for a tool that you use as in frequently as this.
If you knew a good wood worker you could hire them to make a case!
Rockler
I have no skin in the game. Mine is a radial arm saw.
Like for James, not for your ego 😂
It's a shame those wonderful Woodpeckers tools are SO expensive. And for some reason they never offer any kind of break on shipping. Literally every other company will offer free shipping with a volume or price purchase.
Great job James! Also…for some reason this dislike button is not working for me, tried hitting it 4times and still nothing😜
The problem with Woodpecker and Festool, for that matter, is that no one will state how bad they are or express the clever design or added benefits of using their products; they simply trash the colour or cost and not the R&D and QR
It only works when I hit it 4 times ;-)
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I love Woodpecker products, but i dont love how whenever i order from them, i get inundated with emails from them and 3rd party vendors.
Go Red its $69 Now and you get a good case not cardboard. just wish it was Digital.
I have the woodpecker one, it’s fiddly and a pain to use when sliding it in the mitre slot. Poor value for money.
I agree with the miter slot pain. The Rockler doesn't fit very well on my table; it only has vertical adjustments for the guide. The Woodpecker self-center looks like the big selling point and a great feature. I'm on the fence (pun) about ditching the Rockler to get the Woodpecker. It is an investment, and they wouldn't take my first child in exchange...
I hesitate to buy from Rockler, they have virtually no customer service and their shipping is horrible. I've been waiting over a week for two hinges to show up, the last time I had to return a product, it took over a month to get a credit. Buyer beware.
Table saws and other power tools are only dangerous if you aren't paying attention or doing something stupid. I've been using all manner of them for over 50 years and have never had an accident. That being said, are people really setting up table saws to within 1/1000 of an inch? Seems totally unnecessary and completely ridiculous.
Just a heads up. A $100 saw gauge is NOT going to improve a $600 table saw.
It did mine. But that’s because it came not very tuned. And it’s a ridgid which has all the other issues that come with that price point.
@@wittworks, Check into reviewing the PALS to help with micro-adjustments for the trunnions. Regardless of whether the team is red or blue, you still have to make the trunnions adjustments. With the Ridgid, it takes a lot of loosening, adjusting, tightening, checking alignment, and repeating until you get it right. I hear the same for other brands as well. Too bad all the companies don't have something like the table saw PALS. I just received mine from Peachtree Woodworking in Atlanta. It made the adjustments much easier.
Using a saw blade to measure against is stupid and not accurate at all! You need a calibrated plate that mounts to the arbor to get repeatable measurements 😁🛫
Why didn't you show us using them and if they read the same thing? All you did was talk, talk oh and talk. By the way, you can be up to 4-5 thousand of an inch and be okay. Not sure where you heard 1-2 thousands of an inch.
I try for 1-2, but the time I tighten the bolts it moves some more to 5-10.
Thought I had broll of the Rockler gauge but didnt. I have three small kids and had a small window to try to film everything. Sorry.
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