Amiga's Answer To OutRun
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- The Amiga port of Outrun wasn't great, even if it did have some of the more overly dramatic title music ever made!
So lets check out 6 games / series that tried to do it better!
#amiga #outrun #lotus
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:45 Jaguar XJ220
03:34 Burning Rubber
06:49 Crazy Cars
09:37 Lotus Trilogy
14:27 Moonshine Racers
18:10 Rajd przez Polskę (Rally through Poland) - Ігри
Playing Lotus on a monitor with the sound through an amp and a decent set of speakers was a mindblowing experience in the early 90s.
That sounds like the perfect way to play!
I remember my 10 year old self discovering I could plug our Amiga into the auxiliary input of a (very cheap) hifi. The 1084s was fine, I guess, but this change was an emotional revelation that I only remembered now thanks to your comment 👍
@@jmxtoob Found that out quickly back in my childhood days and then ever since then I always have had a hifi system hooked up to my pcs when moving on from amiga.
Lotus soundtrack was soooo good! Recorded it on a tape to play it in the car.
Sluggish handling in Rajd Przez Polskę is actually a highly realistic representation of how it was to drive Polonez Caro. Also, the agressive AI is a spot-on rendition of the situation on Polish roads in the 90s ;)
😂😂😂
It's also based on The Great American Cross-Country Road Race from Activision rather than Outrun.
I had a feeling that might have been the case but didn't want to make assumptions 😁
Do the roads also wiggle left and right semi randomly as you drive on them? 😉
Poland sounds like a scary place to visit by car. ;)
@@nekononiaow Some 25-30 years ago it was indeed. Things got a bit better since then ;)
Jaguar xj220 and Lotus turbo challenge was my childhood! I loved it sooooo much
Oh yes ! Xj220 was a top notch game
I remember just sitting at my amiga listening to that in car stereo. Simple times @@eldontyrellcorp
Me too like lotus turbo, jaguar -rally amiga games 🕹️💾 👍
11:50 THAT Music is PURE Nostalgia from my childhood! Lotus Turbo Challenge 2's intro tune is just legendary ❤
9:47 All about Lotus I, II, III 🎉
My love for cars started from these
I think alot of Amiga owners fell for those cars from that game.
I know I have a soft spot for the XJ220 because of the game
This popped up on my feed.... I'm so glad it did.... A brilliant video 👏
09:40 When you'd never played the Lotus series, but have many Top Gear hours under your belt:
"Wait... What am I hearing in this game? What?! That's... Top Gear!!!"
I actually feel a bit robbed now. Even with the fondness I still hold for Top Gear 1 and 2 growing up, that I didn't get these Lotus wrapped, computer-enhanced versions to play.
That title screen was really something else lol.
Crazy Cars 3 was really good
One feature of the first Lotus is often overseen: It was the first amiga racer that didn't need to use headache-inducing alternating bright and dark greyish bars to simulate the ffeling of speed, which I very much loved. I alway kept playing Lotus I and Lotus II interhanging, because I both had their own appeal. The polished purity of Lotus I and the greatmusic and utter performance of Lotus II. Lotus III was not my favorite, though. . it felt a bit sterile and had less character, despite being technically perfect of course. PS: Your screen format is wrong, with terrible effects on the rotating car models, square icons and top views of the cars where the car is nearly as wide as it is long.
I can get where you are coming from with the lotus games, I think there is only a few of us who prefer the 3rd.
but for me its a nice combination of the others.
I'll double check my screen setup, I normally try to make sure its right.
Awesome video. Love your choices. Glad I wasn't the only person mad enough to play Moonshine racers.
Thanks!
There are a few of us! I noticed that Pushing Up Roses did a review of the DOS version which was interesting.
The Polish game is clearly drawing inspiration from the Great American Cross Country Road Race, that I used to play to death on the C64. Good times.
Wow, this brings me back… Me and my old man playing XJ220 on the couch. So much fun! And the music, man, the music!
Nice to see a few games I've not played in there, including a 96 release. I'll admit like almost every Amiga user I did love playing Lotus.
you couldn't go wrong with Lotus, it was the best arcade racer on the machine.
but it was interesting to check out what some of the others were like.
I remember those Lotus games. I like you got clips of the tunnels and the dustdevils, yeah. Only thing missing is that truck you could drive under, that was cool.
You could've included Crazy Cars III / Lamborghini the American Challenge , though it might've been released on PC first and then AMIGA, I'm not enitrely sure about that.
Another great one I played on PC, but which also exists on Amiga and Atari ST is Cisco Heat - extremely difficult, but fun nontheless.
I went back and forth on if I should cover all of the Crazy Car games (like Lotus) or not as I knew for a fact that all the lotus games were made for the Amiga first.
and I also knew that the first Crazy Cars was the same due to various interviews.
But I couldn't find anything concrete about 2 and 3.
You forgot Turbo Out Run and Out Run Europa :)
Also, there's a remake called "Cannonball" that uses the Arcade-roms and playable on many different systems.
Great video, subbed. My favorite outrun was Battle Out Run on sega mastersystem. Lotus III of course also great on dos on pc.
Thanks for the sub, the dos port is surprisingly good for Lotus 3.
Doesn't quite have the music of the Amiga but its midi tracks aren't bad.
I'll have to check out battle out run.
Lovely selection there! I preferred Crazy Cars 2 on the ZX Spectrum though! :)
Not really played that one, I never gave the crazy cars games much of a chance.
The 2nd one tried to be a bit more ambitious and you needed a map! @@GouldFishOnGames
I do live in hope Sarah Jane Avory will return to the something similar to her XJ220 title and produce another amiga sprite racer. Between the Lotus and Jaguar games, they pretty much became the definitive racers for the platform and few could be bothered to beat them. They helped eased the pain of the official outrun conversion somehow even less fun than the c64 port.
It would be great if they worked on another Amiga title.
I think now people would just use "CannonBall" which is an open source recreation of outrun that uses the original arcade roms.
not sure of what spec Amiga is required for it, but I get the feeling its not going to run on an original Amiga.
@@GouldFishOnGames I can't even claim to know if it would even happen, but if it did I think a stock 1mb Amiga 500 or 1200 would be a cool project. The unofficial Outrun arcade port is not even playable on my AGA 32mb 68030 fpu.
Sarah is our only hope.
Did Sarah Jane Avory help make XJ220? i had no idea (even that she would be old enough to have made it!), i loved the game, and at the time preferred it in some ways to the 1st lotus game (lotus 2 was my favourite of that trilogy, 3 was a bit too much like "make what you want but was a bit too sandboxy for me, despite technically being the best). I also really liked SJA's work on Elite Dangerous which is where i know her from.
@@mikek6049 Yep. Just a handful of Amiga games like a Gemini Wing port, Thunderhawk, XJ220 and some really cool Sega CD titles.
How cool to discover this video (and your channel btw) just after reinstalling FS-UAE and playing... guess what... Lotus I 😄, which was one of the 1st games we had on our Amiga. I played it a *lot* with my elder brother back in the day. And replaying was quite fun!
I was wondering if you had considered including Vroom in your list. I don't remember having played it that much, but I had heard rather good things about it. Since it was made by a french company (Lankhor), I don't know if it reached much audience outside of France.
Moonshine Racers looks like it's the most interesting, since the Lotus series obviously defines the racing genre on the Amiga. Thanks for the video!
Moonshine is one of those games that you can see the spark of something interesting in, but its just not done well enough to be enjoyable.
I'm sure these are not relevant to the topic but there were also 4x4 Offroad Racing (played it on a PC and an Amiga) and Harley Davidson Road To Sturgis, to name a few from the top of my head.
Anyways, lovely video and it was so nice to feature a Polish game (that was... not so good :) )
@3:10 I was literally thinking to myself as I'm watching, "It would have been nice if old games like this could have found a way to include an editor of some kind." Nice.
2:17 From memory, as part of the licence deal that enabled the developer to use the Jaguar name, they were banned from showing the car with damage - hence why on the repair screen you got the coloured boxes flashing over the general location of the damaged part.
11:50 I'm 99% sure it was Lotus 1 (rather than the follow up game) but if you completed the game then you would get a code on the finish screen which you could mail to the developers and they'd send you a "limited edition" T-shirt as a reward. As it was one T-shirt per household / game (although I have no idea if everyone got the same code and the "every game has a unique code" was a bluff) it was annoying that my brother completed the game a week prior to me also completing it.
Lotus 2 is the standout for me. It felt super immersive and more real than the others party due to there being no arcade music during races, just the sound of the car. I remember linking up a friend's Amiga for 4 player race sessions too!
as much as Lotus II is an advancement tech wise, the change to checkpoints made for a lesser game. Lotus II is a game I see praised a lot but of the people I've asked, they haven't actually finished the game so I'm not sure what they're championing exactly. Generally most people got to the fog stage. I do like the game but it's hardly a surprise Lotus III went back to including laps again given there would have been plenty moaning of this aspect. Lotus II is a decent game though but the change alienated a number of fans. Thankfully we got to choose how we played with Lotus III
Lotus III is slick, but those futuristic chequerboard tracks are weird.
@@rosstee yeah you're not wrong. It's nice to have a choice to have them at least
At the time I was a big fan of Lotus 2 (and I think I've completed it), but over the years 3 went on to be my favorite as the laps and championship style races were more fun.
Near certain that I played Moonshine Racers from an Amiga Format cover disc, iconic
Not sure about those last two games in particular! My favourite game I thought might be on this list was Crazy Cars 3/Lamborghini American Challenge.
The last 2 weren't great, even if they showed promise for different reasons.
The later crazy cars were multi-platform games from the start, so it made it difficult to include.
and for Lamborghini American Challenge I think that was a port back from the snes or something like that.
the history for the games is a bit weird.
@@GouldFishOnGames Fair enough. Crazy Cars 3 and Lamborghini American Challenge were virtually the same game from what I remember, looks like the main change was adding a two player mode. At the time I was just an Amiga owner so wasn't aware of the other versions. Fun game, think I even preferred it to the Lotus games.
Nothing beats Lotus. From a 48 year old who still remembers the excitement of when it was first released
Its an amazing game, it was so good back in the day.
Hang on...gouldfish? From UG/RW?? My word the algorithm works wonders it does. Great video!
I might know what forum's you are talking about 😉
Great Video, have to tried CannonBall Outrun on your AMiga1200 ??
Not yet, I sent mine off to get some work done on it.
but when it gets back I'll have to give it a go
Loved XJ220, built a track based on my local area
I played Lotus 3 on PC (as well as CC3). Man, I loved that game!
Top Gear had an Amiga release too, though that was more Lotus 4. But has anyone ever tried to make a good version of OutRun on the Amiga?
Does MVGs port of the engine to accelerated Amigas count? ua-cam.com/video/8yVqB13EtZg/v-deo.htmlsi=QlnuojD71WMa-ywt
The Amiga Outrun looks like Peter Griffin is driving
I still listen to Lotus 3 soundtrack from time to time. There is a video with all the music her on youtube 🙂
10:20 Those mechanics are really working it. A lube job from the looks of it. Those parts can be stubborn and hard to handle, but a good tugging will usually get them to release. No eye contact between them. Just a shared, unspoken commitment to the job at hand.
Back in the day Crazy cars was considered utter trash which was why Crazy cars 2 was such a surprise, and was a massive hit. Getting chased by the police made it stand out.
I think you should take a look at Crazy Cars II... while it didn't have too many different objects in the graphics, it did away with the silly stuff on the roadside. Instead you now can change the road you're on much like in Outrun, but on a bigger scale, open-world-ish. You had a map based on 4 actual US states replicating their main highways, and you played multiple stages, in each of which you had to race to a different city and find your way there on the map. Unlike in Outrun, however, the different track sections weren't much different from each other regarding roadside objects or even colors, they only differed a bit if you got to another of the 4 states. In total, I think there were close to 100 track sections you could enter.
Crazy Cars 2 does sound like a more complete game then the first, but it seems that they made all the other Crazy Car games as multi-platform from the start.
which made it harder to include in the video (as it was I only included 1 as I found an interview with the developer who said they made it for the Amiga then ported it after).
My favorite racing games on the Amiga was Lotus 3 and Lamborghini challenge.
I love lotus 2 on my a500, amazing for its day. My favourite racer was test drive 2, the duel though
I took personally the Outrun failure and when i seen Fedepede04 fixing the ST version, wanted someone to fix the amiga OCS/ECS version too! Any volunteer coder?
Its a shame how bad the Amiga outrun is, we know the machine could do it.
would be good if some one tackled it, but I guess with ports of cannonball (outrun engine remake) there is less need.
@simonebernacchia5724 - Why don't you volunteer to learn coding, and then do it yourself?
If you have a couple thousand years to wait it could be done
@@simonebernacchia Why a couple of thousand years? Are you very busy, or do you just have a very low I.Q.?
Greetings from Poland :)
Thanks for watching, hopefully using the robot voice to pronounce the game name was OK.
as I would have done a very bad job of it 😉
@GouldFishOnGames sure it was OK :) This is a very tricky name :) and I bet you wouldn't be as bad as you think trying to say it :) pozdrawiam (greetings) :)
Friend of mine had Crazy Cars. Oh how we laughed at the awful backgrounds while trying not to puke. Thanks to the backgrounds I never really gave it a chance. Loved Jaguar XJ220 and Lotus 2 though...
I never had an Amiga, nor a PC for most of the 90s. Lotus is blowing my mind with how much its like Top Gear on the SNES. I never realized they had the same people behind them.
Top Gear was in many ways a port of Lotus to the Snes, not sure why they renamed it. But these sorts of weird things happened all the time back then.
Crazy Cars 3 + Lamborghini American Challenge is the ones to play from that series :)
One of my favourite games (Arcade), but this looks like Peter and Chris griffin (Family Guy) in the car.
So the one really good Sega arcade racer port to the Amiga was left off this list: Super Hang-On, which was legit good.
Left out because it was multi-platform I suppose, similar to stuff like Chase HQ, Cisco Heat, Crazy Cars 2/3 etc.
Yeah this was more about trying to look at the games that were made for the Amiga, rather then ported.
but it did get some decent sega ports.
I love D4XX's remixes of the Lotus soundtracks so much!
I remember Pro Drive but can't recall if it was on my Sega Megaadrive or Amiga
Great!
Those Lotus engineers look like they are enjoying "themselves".
There are some odd hand movements going on!
@@GouldFishOnGames indeed lol
Really through Poland is just the best game ever, fantastic graphics and gameplay.
I've never heard of it.
Some winners, some… let’s go with “runners up.” Outrun on the Amiga was such a disappointment but the Lotus trilogy went a long way to making up for that & 3 is a gem. Moonshine Racers really tried to do something different but it just doesn’t quite work with the tracks/gameplay being fiddly. Rajd Przez Polskę is a fascinating cultural artefact as it shows you the cars young Pol’s wanted in a post communism Poland.
Fun list, thanks. I have Outrun for the Spectrum, which came with a cassette of the arcade soundtrack you were supposed to play on your stereo whilst playing. 😄
yeah there wasn't quite as many great games as I was hoping for, but there were some interesting ones.
like you noted with Moonshine, there is a good game there just needing a bit more work to let it out!
and Rajd Przez Polskę is an interesting one, its not often I get a chance to play an untranslated Amiga game.
the spectrum version with the tape was a great touch.
I used to think the weather effects in XJ220 were so cool
The weather effects were great, it was always cool seeing what they would do in the racing games.
They really did mess up the 16-bit ports of Outrun didn't they? I wonder if an A1200 could do a near arcade perfect version. I guess lack of sprite scaling is an issue although that could be got around by having a lot of memory and having pre-scaled versions of objects in memory
Who would tought that a bad Outrun port could result in some amazing other racing games who flollowed the same original style?
The soundtrack for XJ220 is second only to Turrican 2 on the Amiga platform IMO!
My favorite racing game on the amiga was Chase H.Q.
crazy cars 3 is the best amiga racing game along with super hang on.Which is still amazeing considering the hardware they had to deal with at the time.Kudos to stunt car racer and indy 500.Awesome Amiga raceing games,only in my opinion
Yea, for every diabolical recommendation occasionally the algorithm isn't useless.
This lotus esprit turbo challenge ost is kinda familiar
They should have just released a decent version of Outrun. Although Lotus is great it gets a lot of its speed from just having the one car type
I was a Megadrive owner back in the day, and I only fairly recently became aware of the Lotus games on the Amiga when I myself was putting together a big retrospective video all about Outrun and it's different ports and sequels. Lotus Turbo 2 really is an incredible looking game, Gremlin really did an amazing job of capturing the look and speed of an actual arcade game, something I think most of the other racers on this list are lacking. Crazy Cars looks like a load of graphical vomit, and the weird jerky road in Moonshine Racers was making my stomach feel a bit weird. I think, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of the Gremlin guys went on to form Sumo Digital. I wonder if any of the Lotus gang were involved with Outrun 2 on the Xbox...?
Yeah Lotus 2 is a bit of a highlight, the others on the list.
there are a few good ones, and a few interesting ones.
and ones that had the potential but didn't quite get there.
as for outrun 2, looking online I don't think any of the core lotus team (there wasn't many of them) worked on it.
I just played Stunt car racer all the time!
I sort of remember that the word 'peasoup' or something, was a cheat code on one of the lotus elan games? ✌🏼🌍
peasoup was the password for the fog level!
No Crazy Cars 3? I mean, after playing the first one I can understand you skipping it, but that was the best by a really long way (for one player anyway.)
U left out Mille Miglia and the very last racing game on the Amiga, Prime Mover from Psygnosys. This last one is the most technically advanced one, too. If u finish Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge on Easy, Mid and Hard AND u finish all their levels 1st, u get a phone number. I never called it, tho. I was afraid UFOs would kidnap me to be their Last Starfighter.
I did look into Miglia, but I couldn't confirm if it was an Amiga first title, but it did look quite good.
and Prime Mover was out as it was a motor bike game as I waned to just look at cars for this video.
I think when I was 10 I just sat there and spent 3 hours racing on Crazy Cars. I finished it but boy was it a slog.
Crazy cars 3 was an awesome game.
Those are not outrun clones, they lack racing against clock feature, probably only Lotus series fits. But than list would be very short ;) I would add Outrun Europa, at least parts when You drive on road, not on water and Black Viper since time is important factor during levels there (but also constant combat and shooting). It is hard to create good racing game and even harder to replicate OutRun experience.
Lotus for the win!
And thats why I didn't play driving games back then
Not sure how you are able to mess up the aspect ratio of the game....
I never thought outrun was something special even for 80s. Maybe because i missed it that time, but today when i tried some games of 80s i very liked Test Drive, Corvette etc which were revolutionary while outrun is extremely boring with just chasing nothing. And still i found no better racing all (2D 3-person view) than Top Gear 2 for Sega MD.
Couldn’t be England, not enough potholes in the road.
you forgot Top Gear 2
yeah fun thing about that game XD I have been there from the beginning, not a single one of the OUTRUN games have been good! not even the slightest! :p
Doom 2 came out before that polish game :DD
There's only lotus.
I've always found racing games that use a joystick not very fun to play. A mouse or dedicated steering wheel is best, but not all of them support them.
What a nice channel... I think I will subscribe if that is okay. 😊
Thank you very much, I hope you enjoy your time here!
I played the shit out of the Lotus games 💪🏻
Man that moonshine game is such wasted potential I mean you could have done so much moonshine mini game which gets you better lot better driving locations hiding from the smokie moonshiners so much wasted potential
Don't know why you had trouble finding titles there are loads of outrun clones as mentioned in these comments.
Another one that no one has mentioned yet is Lamborghini American Challenge.
Its not an issue finding clones, games like Lamborghini American Challenge is one of them.
it was more trying to find the games that were either Amiga only or were made for the Amiga first before later being ported to other systems.
Its the games that were designed to try and take advantage of the hardware, rather then being ported from other systems.
@@GouldFishOnGames I think this was a multi platform release so would technically qualify for your criteria.
@@GouldFishOnGames Try not to constrain yourself to Amiga-only or Amiga-first. Sometimes, Amiga versions of multi-platform releases are better, sometimes they're not. So it'd just add to the discussion in your videos.
crazy cars was poor (though i do remember getting excited by the engine noise on the more powerful cars), crazy cars 2 was awful, so dull (but sexy box art which is why I bought it).... but crazy cars 3 / Lamborghini challenge was incredible.... btw Outrun is currently getting an AGA remake. Not sure when it will be out.
I noticed the talk of the AGA remake just after I released the video, it would have been great to have included that.
Roadblasters !!??
It was a port from the arcade.
Good movie, but whre is very good game Lamborghini aka Crazy Cars 3? What about Crazy Cars 2 and Top Gear 2 and Turbo out Run? These games were'nt good but...
Chase HQ
lotus 1 only and chase hq
I still have OUT RUN for my
Commodore 64 as a tape version +
the original Arcade soundtrack 🎶🎵
on the other tape 😺👍🕹️.
I believe, i also still have the Amiga version of that game, too 😺👍🕹️.
I have played JAGUAR XJ220 on my
friend's Amiga 600 back in the early 1990's 😺👍🕹️.
I bought BURNING RUBBER for my
Amiga 500 from a former flea market in Espoo back in 1998.
Actually, it's not a bad game,
but it is hard and frustrating 😹.
CRAZY CARS is the first car racing game,
i have ever played on the Amiga 500.
Actually, it came as one the three games in STARTER KIT.
Me and older brother got it for christmas 🎁🎄🎅 back in the late 1980's 😺👍🕹️.
Now, i still have that game for my
Commodore 64 as one of The Hit Squad game tapes 😹👍🕹️.
CRAZY CARS II was a bad sequel.
I had it with a compilation called
SUPER SIM PACK.
CRAZY CARS III is the best of the series.
CHASE H.Q. is a brilliant arcade conversion for the Commodore 64 and Amiga 😺👍🕹️.
CHASE H.Q. II is fun to play on the Amiga 😺👍🕹️.
STUNT CAR RACER is a legendary classic game.
It is so brilliant, it made me play it everyday on my Amiga 500 😹😺👍🕹️.
And finally, LOTUS I-III is... the... BEST 😺👍🕹️!
Thank you,
and a big retrospective like 👍🕹️
from Vantaa, Finland 🇫🇮.
The release of Out Run on the Amiga was very disappointing. In that genre I thought the 1988 port of SEGA Super Hang-On, despite being motorbikes, was far superior. As in I actually played and enjoyed it, unlike Out Run. It was close to the arcade original, while OR was like a ZX-81 port.
Its an odd one isn't it, no reason why outrun couldn't have been great.
can only assume a mix of being an ST port and a lack of time and money.
and hoping it would sell enough on the back of the name alone.
10:02 Lotus Trilogy the bottom right guy looks like hes playing the wrong type of game and the guy on the left is having way to much fun with is own game…
Good lord. I've not seen the Amiga port of Outrun before. I swear that it is a worse framerate than the Master System version. And that overdone title screen.....WHAT DID THEY DO TO MAH BOY!?!
yeah it wasn't great, I get the feeling they didn't get the time needed and they were working on multiple machines at the same time.
but for all the possible reasons for us it was just another bad port.
i actually finish rajd przez polskę it has 26 boring tracks
Lotus 2 was, to me, the pinnicle of Amiga games. And that music.... Who needed Outrun!
Where is crazy cars III ? Which is the best and fastest racing game on Amiga, hmmm ? :D
OutRun on the Amiga was a total disgrace!
Sure the arcade machine had monster specs, still Space Harrier runs on almost the same hardware and had a killer Amiga conversion!
But then, it was done by Elite and not U.S. Gold... 😬
Who knows how long they had to make the conversion or if they got a good developer in.
or was tended to happen, the developer was making the Amiga and Atari versions at the same time, so it was mostly the same code.
Its a shame that they were rarely given the budget to make these conversions as good as they could have been.
Indeed! We Amigans got so many crappy ST ports... @@GouldFishOnGames
My only criticism about the Polish game is the amount of steep hills. This simply cannot represent Poland.😂