Dear Toyota... Your LOYAL FANS are LEAVING!
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Dear Toyota, as a loyal enthusiast, I wanted to provide you with a little feedback. Change is hard, that's a no-brainer. However, your recent changes have stung your loyal fan base hard. You've deviated far from your founding principles and core values. You've developed a following of supporters unlike any vehicle manufacturer, better than Ford, better than GM, better Honda, you name it. Toyota fans love your brand for 3 PRIMARY reasons: 1) Reliability, 2) Simplicity, and 3) Affordability. By you delivering on these three things, you've been able to generate such loyal and devoted customers over the years. You've created generations of "Toyota Families" in the US because of these core principles. Why change that? Recently you've been offering complex, tech-riddled vehicles that cost a fortune to buy. Why?! The Toyota I grew to love took the approach of "less is more" and I miss that. Adding turbos and battery packs may "improve" performance numbers but it takes away what makes you special. The complexities of your modern Toyota Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, and Tacoma aren't what your enthusiasts wanted. We want simplicity at an appropriate price point.
So here is my message to you, Toyota. I'm with you no matter what, but I can't say the same for most of your loyal customers.
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Toyota always stood for reliability. That is why people were willing to shell out $2-3k more for a Toyota vehicle over the competition. If reliability drops to the level of the competition and the dealerships still want to charge they have always charged. This is poor management decision making.
I’m with you on that 🙌 💯
it used to be a 2-3k “toyota tax”. now it’s anywhere from 5-15k depending on the competitor you cross shop with.
Why would anyone believe reliability would fall? Toyota isn't new to hybrid engines. The Prius, like it or not, goes 250-300k miles with ease. The tech isn't new. It's just new in a Tacoma.
@@chancock4222 all car companies have become reliable. Reliability is at a near parity.
@@5plus4 😆😆😆Tell that to Jeep owners, Ford, Cadillac, Kia....no. Reliability isn't on par yet.
People who were complaining about the old Tundra being ancient, low-tech, & thirty are now saying that they want the 5.7 back & the new infotainment is just too complex 😂. I get it, but this is quite humorous to me.
Yeah I agree. Idk this guy used to be good with all the car reviews and stuff but now I feel like it’s all trash talking like other trash talking channels 😅. Time changes, even Toyota changes with time, but these people are stuck in car and prices of the 1980s.
He made a great point , Tacoma produced in Mexico yet the new one is hella more than the outgoing one ? Wages are dirt cheap
Having owned a gen 2 at one point and now a gen 3, I would never go back to the old trucks. Anyone who thinks the tech is too complex might need to further their basic level of education in life before buying a new vehicle.
The only problem is he has owned all the new and old so he has a right to voice a true opinion
I think Tacoma guy are going to cry the loudest. All the talk about Tacomas being out dates and no power bad gas mileage wait until those fancy new Tacomas get bought up then the reality of old stuff will ring truw
There is no way the Turbo 4 cylinder engines will last as long as the V6.
Only because people don't know how to drive a turbo vehicle, invest in a turbo timer. It'll change your view on turbos and broaden your horizons to new vehicles with turbos as a main source of power and torque.
@@mendivil71 No matter what you put on it the turbo is adding extra heat to the engine. This will always be less reliable than if you had just put a bigger engine in it to get the same amount of power.
@@Trindify xtra pressure as well, higher compression.
This is why I'm getting a Nissan Frontier. Has a solid V6 drivetrain.
I have 3 80’s turbo cars.. all stock but 1. Turbo engines are very reliable, I even drive mine hard as hell.
Bonus points for abandoning American build of Tacoma and moving labor to Mexico, and pocketing the savings instead of psssing it on to buyers.
What makes it even more funny is that Nissan has been building trucks here in the US since 1983 (both Titan plus Frontier and even going back to the Hardbody days). Not even Toyota can claim that going back that long. Frontier is still a non-turbo good ole' V6 which honestly is icing on the cake at this point.
@@newwavetheo Nissan started the whole thing with the Datsun 220 in 1959. The 520 thru 720 were so popular that they set up shop here for the Hardbody. I have a 1987 Hardbody KC with 427,000 miles now. Owned it since 1995. Oddly, it has a "J" VIN code which indicates "Japan.." I didn't know they were also built outside the US and brought here.
I've been driving Nissan since age 10! I do NOT understand the negative opinions on them. It's like Nissan makes one mistake like the CAR CVT and they are all garbage forever, but Toyota can build Tacoma frames that literally rust in half, and all is forgiven and forgotten, like some high school football jock who can get away with things no one else can.
The Nissan trucks have all been die-hard workers. The "million mile Frontier " on the TFL channel is amazing. I paid $2500 for my truck used, with 204,000 miles already on it. I didn't plan to keep it 30 years for sure. But since then, I have not put another $2500 in repairs into it, unless you count tires and other wear stuff. What an insane value. I recently drove it 10 hours to the ocean and back. I feel like I'm getting away with something, driving past repair shops and seeing trucks in there with repairs that cost more than my whole vehicle.
I checked out the new Frontier at the dealer. I can't afford it, but it's the only one I would buy or trust at this point. But where is the 6 speed stick? Nissan manuals seem to be a lifetime transmission. A big loss for people like me who NEVER want to replace an expensive automatic.
@@jeanclaude7018yeah well you wanna play you gotta pay.buy the new one
@@eddie95ee No, I can play with my old stuff. I don't "need" new everything like most sheeple think they do. 59 years old, and the only new vehicle I ever purchased off a showroom floor was a Honda 200x ATV. $1500 at year end clearance.
I played with my 1987, 427,000 mile Nissan truck recently. New shocks, brakes, and stereo. Put the shell on and went camping. Cheap thrills. Oh yeah, oil change and valve set too. So easy.
@@jeanclaude7018won't catch me in a 87' Nissan truck I don't care about the money 💰. Maybe a '87 monte Carlo or grand national. It's called car people
Enthusiasts make up what, probably 2% of their sales… Toyota just dont give a fuck anymore, it’s all about the money. Dealerships are not the clowns, it’s the consumers who are willing to pay those prices.
You’re absolutely right about that. 👍
willing to wait 2 years+ for a Toyota is exactly how Toyota knows they have the consumers by the balls and can do whatever they want. They also know they can get away with it as the #1 automaker in the world. People putting down deposit for a Toyota then wait a year or more is insane. They can't even meet demands and yet they're introducing like half a dozen new model lines in the next 5 years? They're just trying to saturate the market interest with phantom products so people won't shop other brands while they wait for "production" and consumers are eating up the "wow" factor.
I think it's more a matter of brand loyalty. Sure, Toyotas last, but the prices rival that of luxury brands!
Enthusiasts are probably closer to 33% of their sales!
They are in business to make money. If alienating some core customers results in increased revenue, they will do it. Customer loyalty plays no role in that calculus.
Toyota needs to get rid of dealerships and let. The customer buy direct from the manufacturer.
so they ship each vehicle directly across the world as theyre ordered?
@@Firedrop2You’re right but if there was a system where you had to wait to receive their vehicle they’d increase sales. I think atleast.
Just don't screw it up like Tesla has lately.
That is against the law.
Elon Musk got electric vehicle's exempt from that law.
Who will service your warranty issues?
Agreed, here in Australia a midsize Toyota Hilux pickup 4x4 sells for $71,000 which is $20,000 more before Covid hit. They now sell the fullsize Tundra pickup V6 for $150,000. A Toyota Landcruiser sells for $150,000 also. We are all getting ripped off both here in Australia and America. 😢
Omg, I wish I could smash that LIKE button 1000 times. Man YOU NAILED IT. You said what I believe so many of us are feeling right now. I own a 19 Tundra TRD Pro that's paid for and there's no way on this earth I would part with it for the NEW Tundra for $25K to $30K more than I paid. Because of this video, you just gained a new subscriber my friend. Thank you for taking the time to deliver this message. I hope this video gets Millions of views and shares. Hats off to you brother.
Personally, I am disenfranchised by Toyota. see ya felicia
Stealerships destroy customer loyalty to any and every vehicle brand but the crux of your video about Toyota is spot on. These Toyota wounds are self inflicted unfortunately.
Dealers have been ripping off people from the beginning of time. The only hope is customers stop allowing themselves to get scammed. As long as fools with money keep coming in the doors it is hard to fault a business from saying "sure we will take your money".
@@danielrn133Yes and no, one's ignorance does not forgo one's greed. Either side could solve the issue, but only one side is usually aware of the cause and effect.
Are you trying to suggest GM, Ford and Stellantis dealers didn't do the same thing?
@@user-mh5qg5jb7d Most stealerships have done this to varying degrees but we’re talking Toyota here.
The whole Dealership system needs to go.
80% of consumers have bad experiences with these dealers.
The 20% of consumers had no idea the dealer had ripped them, these consumers are happy because they bought their dream car and have zero care about anything else.
I just purchased the 2024 Tundra 1794 and I love it more than my 2020 Ford F150 Limited. Love the cool features on my new Toyota. Yes I paid $78.000 out the door with 100.000 mi warranty and cool running boards…hey I get it, you don’t like V6 twin turbo as much as I do (Ford eco boost is exactly that) but you can’t escape the fact that it’s an amazingly cool truck.
It’s a shame that Toyota switched over to the 6 cyl and 4 cyl engines with turbo’s! As a 43+ year service manager and owning about 50 new trucks and cars the 2 biggest problems is price and putting small engines with turbos in the trucks! You are spot on as an option🙌
You forgot to add ordering process. Allocations suck. They need to sell direct and use dealers as service centers
Absolutelly agree with your words. Bring back the reliable 5.7 V8.
YES !!!!!!
It's not Toyota not wanting to sell us a V8. It's about the EPA regulations.
@@jorgeblanco6708 so when we get rid of biden,we get the durability back? sounds like a good plan!
Gives us back the 4.7 even.
@@jorgeblanco6708 of course our stupid government is ruining everything because muh climate change bs.
Great point buddy, they moved production to Mexico to lower the cost, but the price of tacoma increased. It doesn't make sense
Toyota is a very greedy company. They do not care about their customers or employees. It’s all about money.
This young man is correct. I have bought Toyotas my entire life, now they are way to expensive. I will buy something else.
*too expensive, 👋 ✌️
What do you think you can get that is cheaper?
My dad owns a 17 Tacoma sport in silver color. He wanted to check out the new taco, so today we went to the local dealership to checkout a silver 4x4 sport with the TRD upgrade package. MSRP was 52k and change, plus a few grand more on some BS add ons from the dealership. My dad just retired, and he happened to really like this new taco, but unfortunately, he cannot afford the new truck at about 55k plus taxes and financing on top of that. He is keeping his 17 taco, either way, his truck has 30k miles. I my self have 17 taco pro, I like the new truck as well. But these damn prices are ridiculous for a mid size truck. But I agree with what you are saying, my next truck or vehicle, might not be a Toyota.
I just traded in my Tacoma for a Ridgeline, I don’t tow or go off-road and I couldn’t be happier I didn’t realize how bad the Tacoma drove until I got into a Ridgeline and it’s about 8k cheaper with the same options as the Tacoma.
I agree - I drove in a buddies Tacoma recently and I was stunned that those things sell so well. The ride was horrible. @@stevepatch1809
I can remember in 1998 purchasing my first Toyota Tacoma from 18K. It was the 4cyl version 4x4 with single cab and two bucket seats. It had a manual transmission. I was young man serving in the Marines and going to College. I loved that little truck. I went on from it to having a family and transitioning to the 4Runner and eventually a Lexus LX. The prices have gotten out of control. A friend of mine was set on getting the new Taco when it came out but the sky hight price drove him to look else wear and ultimately go the Nissan Frontier. Reliability and Quality are huge for Toyota but they need to remember price is equal important. You can't price out the average consumer. They are the loyal base.
@@lane3002 in 1988 I bought a brand new Toyota pickup before it was a Tacoma with a 4 cylinder 5 speed extra cab for $12,500 the good old days 😢
@@stevepatch1809The Ridgeline is a car. Of course it’s going to drive better. Honda is way worse than Toyota. I see more broken down Hondas (and Acuras) than any other brand.
I tried to buy a TRD Pro Tacoma from a dealer 50 miles from my home. They scheduled me to come in for a test drive. When I got there, they didn't give me the time of day, wouldn't let me touch the vehicle like it was the only one in the world. When I was obviously not happy with being told I could drive the truck then denied upon arrival the price jumped up with a 5k markup... I left and the next day I bought the new 2017 ZR2. I've never set foot in a Toyota dealer since.
So in your case, the dealer is the issue, not the brand. I guess I'm lucky due to their being multiple Toyota dealerships in my area competing for your business so no mark-ups and awesome service to be had at all of them.
I had two Tacos but I decided to get a 2024 Honda Ridgeline Black Edition instead of the new Tacoma. I got it for 1500 under msrp and I am really enjoying it. It drives so much better than the Tacoma and gets better gas mileage. I don't go off road, so it is the perfect truck for me.
It comes down to one thing… sales. If we all keep buying trucks at ridiculous prices they will happily take your money.
I agree with all of this, however, the non-V8, turbo, auto start/stop features, active fuel management etc problem isn’t the car manufacturers, it’s the EPA pushing the car manufacturers to meet ridiculous emissions and greenhouse gas targets. Our government has pushed car manufacturers into making cars we don’t want. Just my .02¢
Ford has 2 different V6 turbos coming for the Ranger and you can still get a V8 in the F150 so please stop with the government made them do it excuse. It’s just a management choice. If anyone can afford to do it and pay the penalties it’s Toyota since the taco is hecho in Mexico while all other midsizers are made in the USA. They just decided to put the turbo 4 in everything because it would increase scale and reduce costs.
@@marklihsu Correct, but like I said in my comment, can you get a V8 without auto start/stop or active fuel management? And that’s due to the EPA regulations.
@@marklihsuthey all have different EPA credits. Toyota may be over on their credits as compared to Ford. Like Dodge for example was given credits by Tesla so they could build all those V8 and superchargered models. It’s not a simple “well Ford can do it” issue it’s more complex than that. The EPA is the issue.
Yes but..... Where do we start? How do we tackle carbon emissions if we don't even try. Some say it's too fast. Some say it's too soon. Our grandchildren will say why didn't we do something.... In life usually the answer is you have to do it all at once. Everything is changing. I think the new trucks are good. We've got to get the price down.... Way down...
@@mikesawyer1336 Too big of a topic for YT but EV’s and hybrids aren’t the answer. The amount of yellow iron in mining to make the cars, copper for wiring, lithium for the batteries, etc made by diesel yellow iron equipment out weigh the “green energy”. Not to mention how do you safely dispose of all those batteries when they are used up? The US already has some of the strictest emissions, environmental regulations. We live in the same big blue planet, we can be as green as we want, the emissions from China and other foreign countries still affect us. When China, AirForce One & the Presidential motorcade is hybrid/electric I’ll start looking into it.
Great video my friend .I'm a Toyota fan myself. I have a 1996 Tacoma extra cab with 278,000 miles on it and it runs like a top. Everything just works. AC,windows ,even the original radio with tape deck . Your words are true my friend. They need to remember what made them great and get back to it. 🤠🇺🇸
I have a '17 TRD Sport ext cab V6. I plan on keeping it till 300K.
if is not broken don't fix it, the v6 turbo bs is for little "sport" cars not a full size pick up.
Your nailed it sir!
The following may have contributed to the dealer abuses of customers:
1. Toyota, like most other manufacturers, has required dealers build Taj Mahal facilities that increase overhead that customers pay for
2. Shrinking gross margins from the factory force dealers to find others ways to make profits
3. Too much focus on high tech loaded vehicles that customers are convinced they must have and thus pay for
4. Too many layers of dealership employees add to overhead customers must pay for
The only way to force meaningful change is to stop buying these products at these insane price levels. Just say no.
Thank you! Absolutely. Amen to that! 🙏🏼
Yes, unfortunately. Been buying nothing but Toyotas since 1991. Noticed the local Toyota dealership, the first ever in my city, and one which I have bought several vehicles from are starting to do some remodeling. Seems Toyota wanted the owner to build his dealership to certain specifications which he was not willing to pay for. He sold it, to a conglomerate company with bigger pockets. I am not seeing any more commercials from these local dealerships that were a staple of our community anymore.
yeah, dealership near me always throws tons of crap on an already expensive car or truck tried to get a sr5 4 runner they have none only premium ones.
they started it is just a few thousand more lots of wonderful feature fake leather instead of cloth seats i said not interested in any of it and they want me to come in test drive one and put down a deposit to even look to see if they can get a basic model.
Im in Europe and I find the above RRP dealer pricing quite shocking. Here dealers tend to try to shave a little off the RRP or offer sweeteners (free carpets,insurance etc.) to make the sale. When I have bought a new car I do not expect to pay the sticker price. Different culture I suppose.
I'll never buy a new car again. The prices are insane. Even a newer used car is insanely high. I checked for my 2018 Rav4, which I bought in 2020. I owe $10,000 on it, and if you want to buy the same model now you'll pay around $22,000, for a seven-year-old car! He's exactly right. Stop buying new cars!!!!
Al his points are legit/valid. But hate to say it, but it’s consumers that controls the market. Not the dealers or corporate. If consumers don’t buy, prices will drop. It’s that simple.
That was his point exactly. Toyota is building them customers are over paying 😮
Welcome to the new world kid.
Last year they sold over 234,000. We are almost 1/2 way in the year and only sold 21,000k.
I hope they eventually eliminate the dealerships and adopt the model of direct sale like any other product. Who negotiate the price to buy a new iPhone? Nop. It’s absurd. I'm tired of people being fooled with prices and service, just for profit. I can assure you that if they released a gasoline version of this tundra (V8) and the Tacoma (V6), their sales would increase more than you imagine. Nice video!
Your right on young man
You are telling the truth
Your loosing reliability when people said Toyota and cost is out the roof way to much I am looking at the Nissan frontier 4x4 better truck less cost
As someone who purchased a new ‘22 4Runner, I 100% agree and it will affect my next purchase.
Same w/ Lexus, my local dealer wanted $10-20k over MSRP on their GX’s. The hell with that. Took my business elsewhere.
10-15k On GX 550? This was my suggestion so I got 2023 GX 460 instead with 7 k off of MSRP.
You Sir have hit the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD!!!! Try this one for size.... we purchased a NEW 2005 Toyota Tundra from Burnsville Toyota in Burnsville MN in 2005. It is a SR5, V-8 TRD, Double Cab, 4X4. We left General Motors after a lifetime of loyalty. Chevrolet would not fix a defect in a NEW Chevrolet Z71 4X4 so we told them to pound sand and traded for a loss to get our Tundra. We fell in LOVE with our new Toyota, so much we purchased a second one a few years later. Fast forward to the RECALL/REWORK where the NTSB forced Toyota to do for IMPROPERLY coated frames from the factory. The Recall gave Toyota 2 options. One was inspection and spraying the frames, the other is the Frame Replacement. We brought our Tundra in to Burnsville Toyota for the Recall/Rework. They inspected the frame and SPRAYED it rather than replacement as as an option in the NTSB Recall. Shortly after the dealer performed the rework, the coating they sprayed on was coming off with RUST on both the coating and Frame!!!
For MANY YEARS we have asked BOTH Burnsville Toyota and Toyota Motors of America to perform the CORRECT Rework and replace the Frame as outlined in the NTSB Recall of our Tundra. For years, BOTH have told us to pound sand!!! They tell us the Rework has been performed and that's all they are going to do. Since the spray coating started to fall off showing rust, we have asked the dealer (same one for all service, repairs & warranty - purchased from them) to inspect the Frame for the rust issue and report on the invoice. It was hit or miss weather they would do it or document it. The LAST TIME we brought our Tundra in was for the routine oil change service. I had noticed not one, but two (2) large RUST HOLES in the Frame of our Tundra. This is EXACTLY what Toyota had to do the RECALL for and why we were asking THEM to REWORK, THEIR DEFECTIVE Rework, and replace the frame. After the Oil Change service, as the Service Writer was walking me to our Tundra, I was looking over the Invoice checking for the frame inspection. They listed the request and the only thing under it for Work Performed was three letters. They were NVP. I asked the Service Writer if the Frame as inspected for the Corrosion issue that caused the RECALL. He informed me that it had in fact been done for us. I asked what they found and as told it should be on the Invoice. When I told him it said "NVP" he said that's No Visual Perforation! It was at this time I, being Disabled, and having to use a Cane to walk, stuffed my Cane tip in one of the holes and said "oh really, what's this". The Service Writer took a look, his eyes got huge and left saying he'd be right back. He returned with the Service Manager. This was like the 3rd (or so) Service Manager to hold this position since they SCREWED-UP our Tundra and performed the WRONG REPAIR/DEFECTIVE WARRANTY REPAIR! He looked at it and asked who wrote it up. The Service Writer said he did. Then he was asked who worked on it. The Service Writer told him, to which he said that Tech is NOT qualified to do a Frame Inspection. The Service Manage left and came back with an updated page for our Invoice indicating rust had been found. WOW..... this is bad, we have been telling them this for many years and now a Service Manager is taking notice! I asked for him to champion a Frame replacement for us with Toyota Motor Company USA. He said he would and then follow up. Weeks went by and nothing so we called. ONCE AGAIN, POUND SAND, they did the Recall/Rework and that's ALL they have to do!
A DEFECTIVE Frame from TOYOTA during the manufacture of this Tundra ALONG with the WRONG/DEFECTIVE Rework has left us with a GREATLY DEVALUED and UNSAFE Toyota Tundra!
YES, for the KEYBOARD warriors in their Mom's basement that will say I'm a moron for thinking Toyota will do something on a 20 year old Truck I say this, Toyota & Burnsville Toyota BOTH screwed the pooch on this one back when this truck WAS COVERED under the Warranty/Recall. BOTH Toyota & Burnsville Toyota have shirked their responsibility in the DEFECT/issue. BOTH did WRONG and NEED to make it right! BOTH performed DEFECTIVE work!
If they performed the correct repair, our 20 year old Tundra with 110,000 ACTUAL miles would be worth what the outward appearance suggests. The truck is in EXCELLENT condition for a 5-10 years old truck, let alone a 20 year old one!
Word of mouth.... BEST or WORST advertisement a company can have!!!!
NEW FRAME AT N/C Toyota..... you can still make it right and SAFE!!! Happy & SAFE customers is what you want, RIGHT?
STILL waiting after all these years Toyota!!!! Do the right thing!!!!
We're in the market for a new vehicle, Toyota..... we'll see how they handle this!
A loyal customer shouldn't have to endure this treatment. I live in Canada and my 2014 Highlander required replacement of the lower control arm bushing at just over the 3 yr but still under 60 K kilometres. I was going to be on the hook for the repair, so decided to send a letter to Toyota's president in Tokyo. Result: the repair was done by the dealership at no charge. Nice, but I don't think that most owners have the time to do this to get satisfaction.
Well said! That's why I just bought a 2019 Tundra with 21K mi. At my age, I expect it to outlast me. My wife tried to convince me into buying the new (hybrid) one but I refused. Precisely because of the reasons you have so brilliantly outlined.
Unfortunately, Japanese companies give too much control to their local subsidiaries, and in the US, "business" and "scam" have been synonyms for decades. In other words, we are not dealing with Toyota but rather "toyota of america".
As I write this morning my new 2 month old Limited, I-Force Max Tundra is in the shop with major computer problems. The dealership has no Idea how long it will take to repair? I am now driving around in a Used Dodge Ram Truck that the dealership is letting me use . My 5th Tundra has failed me like none before. I should have done like Untamed and bought a used 2021. It makes me sick to think I have a truck that is no better than the Big 3.
I don’t know brother, I have a 2021 Ford Ranger, I bought it brand new and I have zero issues @ 20 k miles at the moment 😂
Good luck 🍀
My Brother has 2014 Ram crew cab 4x4 . 3.6 v6 pentastar. 468k km here in Alberta , truck just cant brake down. Keeps going and going....
I'm sorry Toy has taken advantage of loyal buyers like yourself. It also shows in their self-serving move of Taco product to Mexico while raising prices on TOP of the extra savings they reap on cheap labor.
MANY Taco faithful have turned to Nissan Frontier and are very satisfied.
Yeah, killing the v8 did me in. Plus the fact the Toyota line costs as much as the Lexus line
Yeah I wish they hadn’t cut the V8 out cold turkey… I agree, they’ve been priced far too high across the lineup.
This was Spot on IMO... Bought my 2020 Tundra SR5 in January and just missed the Covid crazyness - paid 43k and plan to keep the thing forever.
22 Tundra Owner here... TRD off road package on a Limited trim.. Love the truck, I don't have any issues with it.... I drive the shit out of mine. I tow with it and I haul shit with it.... 50k Later, lifted with 35s on it... Still rides like new and driving all the east coast up and down with no issues whatsoever. Yes the plastics are cheap.. that's my only gripe about it. love my truck and 2 years later, I'm still in love with it.... I know some people had issues with them, they aren't perfect.. but I wouldn't buy anything else yet. If I can get 10 years 250k+ miles out of it, without any major issues, I think I will be a happy camper... Heat is obviously the number 1 public enemy with turbos.... I'm doing oil change intervals at 5k instead of 10k... cheap insurance is you ask me. they tested the crap out of these turbo charged engines and they did a great job designing the cooling system. I think they will be alright. yes they had that bad batch from the turbo supplier.. that's long gone now. I totally understand people not wanting to buy the new tundra's but I would try something new from Toyota before buying something else... not because the other brands are garbage, but because 6 new Toyota's later.... I'm still 100% undefeated when it comes to "having to bring a Toyota in for repairs"
maybe one day that will change.... but in the meantime, I will trust them over anything else out there.
PS.
I'm not saying they are perfect... I'm just saying they have been perfect to me.
Preach! This is exactly how I feel about the new Toyotas. They just don't feel the same anymore.
I miss the days of simple, reliable trucks that would last forever. These new ones are loaded with tech I don't need and don't trust, and the price hikes are insane.
Maybe Toyota should listen to their loyal customers again.
Every modern new car you buy is loaded with tech lmao I understand all the other complaints but come on get with the times of technology. The world changes with or without you
In this 12+ minute rant/whine, UM answers his own lament at about 7:25 - durable, affordable vehicles don't drive sales up. What's the big mystery? Companies aim to maximize profit. You either support capitalism, or you don't. What other way is better?
All vehicles have price hikes. Every single one.
Blame the President, the leadership in the country, politicians, COVID, whatever you want. But all of them have hiked.
Not just vehicles either --
Food is 25% higher, rent - 25% higher, interest rates sky high, etc.
Everything is costing more -- to my eyes these new trucks/vehicles are about 25% overpriced.
In this video -- he says his 2021 TRD Pro Tundra costs 54.5k x 25% puts you nearly 70k (Which is right around where the new 2024 TRD Pro Tundra sits.
I have recently purchased a 2024 Toyota 4Runner. The main reason for purchasing this is because I know the reliability is there for the next 10 years plus. I do not put much faith in the new four-cylinder turbo. I do not want an engine that is turbo charged. The reliability will not be there no matter what you do more moving parts that wear out faster.
Toyota has been reliable for decades, what you say may be right but nobody knows. I for one trust them to have done it right
I agree with you and that is why I picked up a new 2024 4Runner as well. With the problems that the new Tundra and Tacoma are having, I know the new 4Runner will have issues as well. While I know Toyota will get these issues addressed, I don't want to be part of the beta testing.
@@1hondaluver I could not agree with you more. And I know everybody says right now is not the time to buy but if you don’t jump on one, now, you will not have a chance down the road. If you go to Toyota‘s website, you cannot even build a 2024 4Runner. So that tells me they’re probably stopping making them. And preparing to start making the new ones.
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master cylinder failurers , tale gate rust, check into it
My daughter and myself both purchased the last years of the naturally aspirated V6. She bought a 2023 Tacoma TRD Off Road 4x4 and I purchased a 2024 4runner Limited 4wd. We wanted longevity, reliability and simplicity.
I don't think dealerships overcharging consumers is a Toyota/Lexus thing, I think it's USA thing. In a country where I live, cars are sold 1-2k over mspr but never more than that.
Preach. We want a new Sienna, but not at $56k for a mommy van!
I worked for Toyota for 20 years at the dealer level,service/ parts director. I can tell you Toyota always had issues,but they were very good at resolving them quickly and with the utmost regard for customer satisfaction and retention.
I saw a change with this in the early 2000s,the product was not as good,although still very good,and the way they handled issues was very disappointing.
I still drive my 2nd gen Tundra. It has been exactly what I expected it to be,rock sold reliable, and it fits me perfectly. My wife as well had numerous Toyota models,her last was a camry hybrid,again a very reliable car,zero issues in the 7 years she owned it,but I would not buy any of the newer models,she wanted a small suv and we ended up with a CRV instead of a Rav4.
One concern was the inflated price of the Rav,the other was the cheapness of the materials,and the lack of build quality, Honda also has suffered some of these issues,but they are not over-priced vehicles,yet.
And for the first time in nearly 40 years,I had a friend recently ask my opinion on a new truck purchase ,he was down to the Tundra or an F-150, I gave my opinion of the Tundra based on my time spent with another friends 2023,I am very disappointed in the design and the quality of the new model,but when I factor in the price of the new one,it is no longer an option for me.
I am going to share your video with my Toyota Facebook group, it's a very well thought out version of what all of us long time fans of Toyota feel. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
This is the most honest video I have seen you release. I would add that you left out one major error Toyota made besides all the ones you mentioned. They rode the "shortage" lie longer than anyone. Ford, GM, Stellantis gave up the lie well over a year ago and produced millions of vehicles. Toyota, the world's largest car manufacturer claimed until just a few months ago they could not get parts when all other manufacturers who are smaller were getting them. We all know about scale. Toyota can scale bigger than anyone, so that proves they lied and rode that lie longer than anyone. For this lie and their greed, they do need to be punished. May you continue being this honest.
Thanks Danny, I appreciate that. I’ll try to stay true to form as I make more videos. =] 🙏🏼
@@UntamedMotors I for one appreciate it. Keep up the good work.
All three of those manufacturers you mentioned lost billions of dollars in last year alone trying to sell 80k dollar electric
Cars that a year later nobody wants. Who came out on top per usual ?you got it Toyota. And yes it’s the consumers own fault
For overpaying thousands over MSRP . And yes I have serious issues with Toyota right now myself, so bad that I’m considering other brands for the first time in my life. Yes I’m old.
i was one of those customers who tried to buy a truck during the pandemic & couldn't find a dealer not absolutely trying to screw over customers. i would never do business with those dealerships in the future.
I can't agree with you more about Toyota customers losing peace of mind with these new generation models. I don't really keep up with the latest info from car manufacturers, but I do have a good general knowledge about what makes/models are good, reliable cars. Toyota is(possibly was), for the most part, at the top of the reliability list in my opinion.
I started looking for a new truck a couple months ago, and about a month ago I went to my local Toyota dealership. This is when I found out that the new generations are coming with smaller, turbo charged engines. My immediate thought was "why in the world would they do that? These little engines are going to be pushed so much harder and will likely fail much quicker." There isn't even an option to get naturally aspirated if you wanted to.
I still bought a 22 Tacoma because it is an amazingly reliable platform, but if Toyota doesn't pivot quick, I won't purchase another in the future. I imagine a LOT people feel the same. The next time I'm looking for a new vehicle, I will be checking if Toyota gave us better/more reliable powertrain options. If not, I'll be looking elsewhere.
:Edit: Another good point you made was that my decision to purchase a Toyota was HIGHLY influenced by the resale value of them. While I have seen a good number of people in support of the new platforms, I have seen an equal number of people against them. This WILL affect the resale value of these vehicles, along with their reliability. The old gen will very likely hold it's value better than the new.
As for the negative opinions on the new. Sure, some people will want to tear down the new gens just to feel better about their old. However, as someone that bought an old gen over a new, that's not always the case.
I respectfully disagree with the notion that Toyota is losing its loyal customers. Criticizing the latest generation of trucks, which only hit the market in 2022, without considering the short timeframe since their release seems unfair. It's important to acknowledge that every new generation experiences teething problems in its initial years, and it's wise for consumers to exercise caution during this period regardless of the manufacturer.
Moreover, we can't ignore the unprecedented challenges posed by the recent pandemic, which undoubtedly affected research and development efforts across the automotive industry. Add to that the governmental push towards hybrid and electric platforms, and it's clear that Toyota, like its competitors, faced unique hurdles during this time.
While I share concerns about dealerships inflating prices, a practice detrimental to both customers and Toyota's reputation, I believe the brand's resilience and commitment to its fan base should not be overlooked. As a devoted Toyota enthusiast since the '90s, I've witnessed the company's ability to bounce back from challenges time and again.
Let's not forget the remarkable strides Toyota has made with its recent offerings, from the adventurous new Land Cruiser and 4Runner to the impressive GR lineup. These developments demonstrate a genuine effort to cater to the diverse needs and preferences of their loyal supporters, a level of engagement rarely seen elsewhere in the industry.
While there are valid criticisms to be made, I remain confident in Toyota's ability to adapt and thrive while staying true to its core values and fan base.
I think you bring up great points 👌 💯
I appreciate you taking the time to write it up.
Very well stated, but unfortunately just like the other car manufacturers they just don’t care what the customer wants. We are literally being forced fed what they want to make and sell!
Absolutely that’s why we should just buy older reliable trucks and boycott their new disposables with turbos
@@emmo2850 absolutely!!!
I have always wanted a Toyota truck, but as a regular worker they are now so far out of reach, I am forced to keep my 18-year-old dodge on the road as long as I can.
I was planning to get a bigger vehicle and was eyeing a Toyota, but not a fan of their current business model, over-promise + under-deliver. Why make more new models when you can't even pump out the old ones fast enough? Sounds shady to me. Waiting 2 years for a car is insane, imagine the computer industry did that? Pre-order a 2 year old CPU and pay cutting-edge price? This gives them the greenlight to develop products they can't make and force the consumer to hold their breath. Time to stop buying Toyotas. Now I'll spend money to turn my 2013 Honda Accord into a frankenstein of a vehicle so I can carry more stuff (like a trailer hitch and a cargo box lol). At this rate I don't care anymore, I'll keep driving my reliable old car.
1,0005 agreed. I don't know how much the gov regulations are pushing the movement to turbocharging, but it's really unfortunate on these larger platforms. You are absolutely correct that they could use dealer allocations to reduce or curb overpricing. THere's actually a list out there of dealers that charged over msrp during the pandemic. One thing that you didn't mention which I would have thrown in was Toyota's well-documented production hold backs in order to (presumably) increase scarcity/demand/pricing.
I've owned 7 different Toyota 4x4s and am currently driving an 05 4Runner with a V8. It has a lot of miles on it but I just can't talk myself into getting a new Tundra, 4Runner, or Tacoma. I'll wait a while and see what the 2026 Tundra is like and wait to see if other people have trouble with the other 2. I never would have said that in the past.
I really hope Toyota sees this and takes it to heart.
I’m sticking with older used Toyota’s-better quality.
So am I sticking with the older ones!
CAREFUL..... see my post about our 2005 Tundra and the NTSB Frame Recall!!!! Buyer..... NEW OR USED, beware!!!!
Wow you hit every point I think every die hard Toyota fan is thinking. I hope Toyota sees this. I refuse to pay 72k for a truck. That is insane. I have a 2012 Tundra that I will drive until it literally falls apart. No new Toyota in my future with the greedy dealers and falling quality.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. I agree, Toyota has certainly lost its way. It’s a shame… =\
This is true! After 25 years of nothing but Toyota trucks, I’m out. Just got a new F150 with the 5.0 liter Coyote. Very happy! Toyota sold us all out. This channel is spot on. Toyota doesn’t listen.
Well said my friend, it's refreshing to hear someone speak the truth unlike TFL and all other Toyota cheerleaders.
So true could not have said it any better, was ready to buy a tacoma but dislike the turbo.so now looking at the frontier v-6 naturally aspirated . You know when Scotty Kilmar a diehard toyota fan recently recommended the frontier over the new turbo tacoma, now its time to switch brand ,toyota is really going downhill fast!
I'm a more traditional Toyota car owner. I started with the 2000 Avalon ($25K) and put 250K miles on it and the car was in excellent running shape afterwards. The next was a 2012 Camry for $22K which I still have and I have a 2018 Camry for $25K. And I am casually looking to replace the 2012 but am in no hurry. The local dealership has not had a great supply of cars for several years and I'm waiting until they have more models on the lot. Most of the models on the lot are high-end Hybrid AWD while I always just buy the cheapest model. The local dealership has been great on service - and they are getting more efficient at it. I don't really get why people spend $50K to $75K for vehicles but they seem to be a lot more common than folks like me who just want to by inexpensive, reliable cars. My local dealer sends me offers every month or so and I just ignore them. My approach to buying is to wander around the lot when I'm there for service. As far as hybrids go, there's a $7,500 tax credit for plug-in hybrids. If Toyota did one of those on the Camry and the cost of the Hybrid system were less than $7,500, I'd take a hard look at it.
I'm not a Toyota enthusiast. I just want a boring, reliable car that lasts forever. And that's what I see on the Camry. I've heard that this is the case for the Corolla too.
I had driven Toyota Sequoia from 2001 to 2020. I had 4 of them and loved them. I couldn't wait in 2020 until the new Sequoia was coming. That said I changed to another brand because of the lag of the release the fuel economy of the Sequoia. When the Sequoia was released I thought it would have better fuel economy since it had the 6 cylinder with twin turbo and hybrid. But not the case. My vehicle that I went to is a 6 cylinder twin turbo and fuel economy on the highway after 4 hours travelling at 97 KM\H is 9.3 L\100KM. Besides the issues I have had with the X brand non Toyota I have a 6 year premier extended warranty that covers it all. Yes it bothers me to have to go get it fixed but these days I don't worry about it being any extra cost. The cost these days is the fuel cost. Sequoia is not good on fuel usage. I hate to admit it but I am now glad when I went into the Toyota dealership twice since I went to brand X that they could get one for me since it would be 18 months to 2 years before I could actually buy one. I know the electronic chips are not around but it seems these days almost all the other brands are filling the lots with new vehicles. The price sucks though on all of them... A hybrid set up for me is not anything I want to work with for now anyways. I would prefer for now a more simple solution.
This is not more than me sharing my experiences since 2020 going to a Ford Expedition after driving Sequoia for 19 years... The set up in the back of the new Sequoia is not what I was expecting... Sadly doesn't work for me as well...
You are exactly right, my mother is looking for a new vehicle soon and I have encouraged her to buy what she likes the most because none of them are designed for longevity, the 21 tundra, 23 Tacoma and 24 4Runner are the end of the line for the best long lasting vehicles and she doesn't need any of those three
I hope the higher ups at Toyota see this. I love your channel.
Thanks a ton man, I really appreciate the support! =]
@@UntamedMotors are u for hire if I wanted u to locate me a vehicle?
@@lucydoyle9010 unfortunately no, I’m sorry. I accepted a full-time position a year back and no longer have the proper time to invest into the LLC work. Wouldn’t be fair to you guys. Sorry.
You are right, I was so exited about the Land Cruiser coming back and find out the ONLY choice is a 4 cly., turbo and hybrid, WTF!!?? really!! form a v8, at least do a 4.0 lit. v6 from the 4 runner and add a 8 or 10 speed trans. but a 4 cly., turbo and hybrid !!! NO THANK YOU !!!
I’m amazed how many people even consider spending $70,000+ for a pick up truck even a Toyota. With the small percentage of those who truly have that kind of disposable income, it just doesn’t make sense. I love my 2002 4Runner SR5 4wd with leather and bulletproof reliability. Paid $9,000 in early 2015. It fit my budget and no car payment. The average car payment is around $700/month, that seems very stressful to me.
Well said! I agree 💯
Preach brother! Toyota of America needs to get back to the core values of Toyota of Japan: reliability in engineering and prudent business practices. Just wild what’s going on in the market and in this Country. Toyota needs to stay strong and stand up to whacky government regulations that demand “eco” crap and stuff we can’t wrench on!
What do you want them to do? USA can prohibit them from selling cars
@@timhanlon7864so for me I see this as all political, sadly. This uptick in prices and downturn in reliability has a lot to do with the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards (CAFE) implemented by the current administration in the US. The automakers may not be banned from selling cars but they could be fined billions if they violate these MPG standards. They pass on their fines and any hasty eco-tech upgrades on to us….thus instead of the bullet-proof 3UR-FE V8…we get a hybrid platform in the Tundra and Sequoia that up’s manufacturing costs and production courtesy of the US government.
The federal government has ruined your Tundra and Tacoma. Stop blaming Toyota for having to reach impossible emission and environmental standards.
I back you up. I am so disappointed in the new four-cylinder lineup. They release the land, cruise or other countries and they are still beautiful. The land cruiser here is small and so compact. Why couldn’t they use the same in the GX as a new Lane cruiser. This makes no sense. I wish consumers knew how much they had.
I'm so happy a grabbed a 24 4Runner before they likely ruin it in 25 with a 4cl turbo hybrid made in Mexico.
Same here
but it’s not made in mexico…..
@providentpathfinders219 how do you know? Toyota has not stated where the sixth gen is being made, but Mexico makes the most sense.
@@ShenmueAtheist”makes the most sense” 😂😂 move along
@@ShenmueAtheist you know Tacomas have been made in Mexico for 20 years right? some come from San Antonio… Tacoma is a NA vehicle only. Global markets are Hilux
One thing that i found kind of disappointing with Toyota these days is its new vehicle supply in 2024. In terms of new inventory, its still too low while the competition seems to have figured out its supply chain issue and double and even quadrupled their supply since 2022. Toyota’s desirable models are still not immediately available in most dealer locations. You have to be placed in a waitlist for months to buy a new Toyota for around MSRP & even paying markups in some dealers while the competition are piling up their supply and offering discounts thousands below MSRP & low APR .
I’ve heard so many Toyota loyalists who’ve has left Toyota and ended up buying Mazda, Subaru, Honda etc because these competitors offer immediate availability & attractive incentives.
You’ll be able to buy 2024 model year vehicles in 2025
Much of the competition over produced and are have serious issues moving vehicles due to the insane prices. This is true particularly with domestic manufacturers and their full size trucks. I’m not suggesting Toyota isn’t taking advantage in their own way, just offering some additional insight into the market conditions right now
Lost me at $40,000. First car company that can offer me a fully loaded SUV at $30,000 gets my business. America is through with outrageous vehicle prices. Don't buy. Wait until a new car company comes along and swoops up your business. I hope these car companies don't get a bail out this time.
The average American needs to hold out on buying new tundra and Tacoma’s and they have to lower the prices
Good luck with that, LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! You truly have NO CLUE what the costs are for vehicles these days. You probably can't even get a BARE BONES SUV let alone something as laughable as a "fully loaded SUV" for $30k. Like honestly, it literally makes me question your mental sanity if you think its even possible for that at $30k. With just inflationary pressures alone, we're lucky we still have even one bare bones mid sized car for under 20k. While these ABSURD $60, $70, or even $80k+ prices (for what I would call "non luxury") trucks and suvs are absolutely unacceptable and specifically UNAFFORDABLE to the average American (especially given rates)... it beyond laughable to expect a "fully loaded" SUV for $30k or even almost for a "bare bones" SUV.
People need to wake up and read some business reports or economic reports... this isn't the 90s/2000s anymore... not even the 2010s. The cumulative effects of inflation in the last half decade have caused permanent changes to the pricing scheme Americans should expect from pretty much everything, especially car manufacturers/dealerships.
@@user-xp5id1kh4rI see you fell for the scam... Cars and Trucks are CHEAPER to make, not more expensive. The materials that they use now days are complete garbage... the plastics in the car are are literally recycled garbage, the leather is fake, paint is water based, and those are just a few examples. Not to mention many of these cars are made in other countries using cheap labor such as Mexico. You are wildy misinformed if you think today's cars cost more to make. Car companies are just greedier and colluding to raise prices.
I just bought a Mazda cx50 for 32k and man I love it. I wanted a 4Runner or a rav4, but those are over priced and have dealer mark ups.
Nissan Frontier PRO4X for $40k if you can wheel and deal a dealer.
We purchased back in 2019 A New Toyota Tundra crew max with the 5.7 V8 we have only 25,000 miles so far and it’s amazing truck and there is No No way we would trade that truck for anything, it’s never been in the shop for nothing, just oil change and tire rotation. Most dealers want you give them yours and buy there’s, will stick to our 2019 Tundra 😊
Can’t not bring back v8 because of EPA regulations. For rising up prices is a dealers mess, any dealers is separate business is not like in Europe that’s we have prices all over place.
@ToyotaUSA, please bring back the customer survey after the initial purchase.
We had the opportunity to rate and give our feedback in the past, but not anymore.
They do, i just bought a 24 Tacoma and they asked for an extremely detailed survey a few days after purchase.
@@RUSTYCATMAN To the best of my knowledge, the information provided indicates that the dealership is responsible for its creation, and it is not shared with the corporate entity. Its purpose is primarily for internal evaluation and to be shared with third-party applications. Previously, Corporate @ToyotaUSA used to generate a survey to assess customer satisfaction and gauge the purchasing experience at the dealership.
@@thetruemalayalee I did do a dealership survey same day as purchase. The corporate one came a few days later. It had zero questions about the dealership. It focused 100% on the vehicle
@@RUSTYCATMAN Understood! Absolutely, the previous survey exclusively centered around the procurement encounter, the ambiance of the dealership, the sales and finance journey, as well as the delivery experience.
@@thetruemalayalee And I am a Toyota Tacoma owner since back in the mid 90’s. I spent a lot of time looking this model over from top to bottom. I am impressed to say the least. All these people poo-poo’ing 4 cylinder engines must have forgotten the Tacoma was originally a 4 cylinder. Turbocharging is a bonus of free horsepower and torque. This technology has been around for many years so I don’t understand the fears. The charge air is aftercooled and with electronic engine controls melting pistons is taken out of the equation. This engine looks like a clone of the Supra engine just slightly bigger. My wife has the supra model engine and it’s been flawless in reliability.
I was a Toyota customer since 1994. Now, I'm not so sure. I can get expensive, crappy engines anywhere.
For less
Reliable engine options don’t generate enough money for the company. 😉
@@UntamedMotors 😅
But the new tacoma has a power tailgate 😅
@@BrockOhhhh Yep, more overpriced things to break.
2017- how did you buy a
Couple dozen in 6-7 years?
I’ve been driving them since 98! Nothing you said will drive me away!
Still the most reliable trucks on the market!
If you’ll walk away now,
You aren’t that committed
I asked the same thing. And, he complained about the prices. Obviously it wasn't an issue over 25 times.
Yes I agree. My wife and I were loyal Toyota buyers for decades...We purchased a new Hyundai Tucson AWD 2 years ago and absolutely love ...!!
My first Toyota was a 1988 Celica one of the best vehicles I've ever owned, I'm on Tundra number 8, 21 TRD Pro in lunar Rock, also owned a 21 Land Cruiser, two 4 runners,and 2007 fj cruiser, 23 Sequoia TRD Pro, I sold the Sequoia in 3 months I couldn't stand it the brand is totally let me down I can definitely say the quality in these new Toyotas coming out are shadow of what they used to be! The new tundra is the ugliest truck made I've had three different dealerships in Florida tell me in private do not buy the new tundra it's garbage and has too many problems, a sales manager and a tech warned me to stay away from this truck.. your video is spot on..
Wait a second u had 8 tundras????? Do you own a businesss?? I get personal choice but why on earth would u buy 8… whole point was these machines are built to last
Never buy a truck that doesn't have tow hooks. 😮
@@Wellh0wrya since 2004..
Nobody loves value engineering more than the factory.
You nailed it!!! I drive a 2011 Toyota 4Runner, I love my truck, i can repair my truck, most of all I can have fun in my truck/ SUV. Love Toyota, I will not even think about buying New. I have owned three Toyota's, Since 1988 to the present. Love your video and your comments, Wake-up Toyota.
I have a 2014 Tundra and a 2019 4Runner. I will run them as long as I can. My first Toyota was a 1989 SR5 Pickup, I ran it to 318,000 miles! it was in great shape when I sold it, just did the maintenance on it. I sold it for just because I wanted something new, which was a 2005 Tundra V8. If Toyota stays on this path I will never buy another one.
Grabbed a GX460 with the V8 - probably would have bought another Highlander - but the V6 is . . . Gone. Turbos with small engines? No thanks. Caustic batteries riding around under me? V6 Hybrid maybe but no monster batteries. Vegan Leather - grr - garbage.
Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for putting it out there!
Nice move on snagging a gx460 before they pivoted to the twin turbo v6. 👌 💯
Thanks brother!
Toyota dies when
5.7 retired
4.6 retired
4.0 retired
You get a turbo you get a turbo everyone gets a turbo.
This is the reason why we are trading in my 2019 highlander for a the 2025 natural aspirated Honda Pilot.
You can’t go wrong with the Honda! 👌
Great video, and I totally agree. Toyota dealerships are giving the product a bad name with ridiculous markups and such.
Thanks brother. Amen to that 🙏🏼
I'm driving 2010 Tacoma, and I think about the 2024 Tacoma. But when I find out that the 2024 Tacoma motor is make in America, I don't think I want to buy anymore.
The 2024 trd pro tundra has a lot more tech and features than the 2021. With that said, both of them are / were priced way out of reach of the regular middle class person.
I paid $45,000 for my 2020 trd off road crewmax. Msrp was $50,000. $5000 off was the norm. Thankfully I got it a month before the world changed forever. Looks like I won’t be buying a new truck for many years.
You can get a majority of those features
But updating the head unit in the vehicle…. U wind up saving 20k and having a nicer infotainment head unit… but people are ret@rds
I’m a proud owner of a 2001 Tundra and will never willingly give it up.💪 love my classic Toyota
My daily driver is my 1985 Toyota truck. It has served me mostly problem free for nearly 40 years. I also owned a 1990 4Runner for 30 years.
I find myself finally ready to upgrade this year, and I agree with your comments entirely. The company you are describing now sounds like Nissan and not Toyota.
I am giving the Frontier some serious looks before I pull the trigger on that new Tacoma that cost about $11,000 more. I like the non-turbo engine, the simpler analog gauges, and the fact that the extended cab still has rear opening access doors for ease of loading. Before anyone starts talking about resale value, the fact that my last two vehicles I owned for three and four decades pretty much demonstrates I don’t give a darn about that.
This guy described my ex-wife to a tee. 🥺
On a serious note, great content and thank you for speaking for what we have been venting about for years now post pandemic.
I've been watching your videos when you had your cement Tacoma TRD Pro side by side next to another TRD Pro. 👍
Haha nice!! 😂
Thanks man, really appreciate the support. 🙏🏼
2020 4runner is the last toyota I'll ever buy.
We pay more for Toyota for quality, they took that away from us and upped the cost, end of story.
Then factor in the 9% interest rates. I'll drive my old car until the wheels fall off before I pay that.
Yep another twist of the knife. I’m with you on that. 👌
100% agree . Killing the V8 was so stupid call from Toyota
😂
Why? The new hybrid is better on fuel and more powerful.
I will never purchase another Toyota product. I see you still have your pro tundra! This video was boss level. Great job!
Thanks a ton, really appreciate that feedback. =]
No lies told here!
Agree 💯, I was a long time Toyota owner, jumped to a new Titan XD PRO-4X fully loaded tech, Fender Audio, pano roof, bed power outlets, bed liner, Titan storage boxes, inside storage boxes, etc too much to list... natural V8, 9 spd Trans. I'm extremely happy with this beast of a truck!! Best of all, over $10k off, no add ons at the dealer, and 0%/60 months!!
Absolutely agree! A new TRD pro tundra with a hybrid, Supra with BMW engine/suspension, NO THANKS, I’ll keep what I have now.
The BMW engine is one of the highest rated reliability motors out now lol. Sounds crazy but true .
Nissan Frontier built for $40k. Yes please. Broken Toyota Takoma for $60k? No thanks.
NF is $35k base.
@@omarwilliams6729 Yeah but you got to get the NISMO package with lift, tires, wheels, rack, spotlights, catback exhaust…
@@LuisRamos-jw7zr Yes. I reckon.
check out Frontier crash tests. i'm not putting my family in that POS
@@MrApplesaucestuff Haven’t wrecked a car since I did my daddy’s ‘72 Coupe De Ville in ‘78.
Went from a 2017 Tacoma to a 2024 Tundra yes the dealerships are shady but you just gotta know how to get a deal and unfortunately or education system doesn’t teach that. Still a loyal Toyota fan !
If my 3rd gen Tacoma ever gets totaled, I might go with the domestic options. They seem better equipped for the money, reliability is kinda up in the air with all the new tech these days.
Has a Toyota fan that owned two of then they deserve it. They listed to politicians and not their customers.