I learned more in 13 minutes here than I did watching several hours of everyone else. Way to go and keep it up. Love your content and style of delivery
Usually when I watch a van video I have to watch 30 more to feel like I thoroughly grasp the concept but with this I feel like I have enough info to make a knowledgeable choice between the two.... which is so rare to get from just one video... thank you!
Wow, great info! It seems that it took me a couple of years to research to the point where I decide on the solar equipment, had it installed, using just one 100 ah AGM battery and the alternator to charge. Tomorrow I'll have two 100 ah lithium batteries, and a 2000 watt invertor installed, along with a fuse block, cut off switch and all my lights, roof vent fan, Webasto heater rewired into the fuse block and also switches, usb outlets and a 12 volt outlet all to complete the electrical system in the van. I've been living in the van full time for over a year. I started out with the roof vent fan, and insulation. Everything else including the bed was make shift. There is still quit a bit of work left to do to make it more attractive and to functional. The electrical and solar is by far the most expensive job. I am going to love having a home that can easily function totally off grid for weeks at a time. So long as I can access water, from a creek, lake or river, I will be able to stay off grid for 2-3 weeks. I will never have to pack my laptop, and other electronics into a library, coffee shop or other to charge. Weehoo!
Can I just say thank you and I owe you!! We just started our van build and the electrical part has given me nightmares! Your videos are incredible!! I feel like I just got into a college level course for free!! I owe you! ❤️😎. Thanks for the detailed explanation and eliminating my confusion and nightmares 🤣🤣😍😍
Greetings, I have been enjoying your videos. I’m almost ready for solar for my truck build, so this video is good timing mostly because I’m looking for a good battery system. I’m still in the process of researching different components to complete the electrical system. Thank you for your timely and informative video and information on this subject. Continued success in your channel. Please keep the infor coming. Sincerely, Rikky🤪
The higher charge efficiency of Lithium is an advantage for solar charging, as fewer watts coming from the panels on top of the van will be turned into heat and more into usable electricity.
With lithium you're basically getting a 10 times longer lasting battery for about 3 times the price of Lead-acid. However, as you said, you would need to use it for at least 3 years to see a pay-off for that investment. As long as everything goes fine than it will be a good investment but if anything goes wrong and you have to toss it, your warranty will probably be already over past 3 years. Still, if I had the budget I'd choose the lithium every time.
What a great channel! I can’t believed we can access to all of the well explained and accurate informations about vehicle conversion and more! THAAAANK YOU
Agreed! Since making this video many new LiFePO4 options have come out and the prices has come down on many others. Definitely makes them a more compelling option!
So with a lifepo4 battery - what tricks get used to insulate them from dropping below the 32F point and / or reduce charging current - what device does the latter ?
Mate, what's the point of getting 2 AGM batteries over 1 LIPO if it is roughly the same cost and they have the same total output (since you can discharge LIPOs 100% and AGM 50%), LIPOs also have higher efficiency and last for way more cycles?
Thanks for the great information. We are building a cargo trailer conversion and are looking at putting in 1 x 100ah LiFePO4 battery for now with the idea to add another one later if we need to. Is it ok to add another battery later and have two batteries that would have different life cycles ? (Not sure if I’m saying that right but hopefully you know what I mean)
Hi Sam, How do each of these battery types hold up as far as durability, i.e. shakes and jolts? Is there value added to add some kind of cushion underneath any to help dampen whatever remaining forces the vehicle's shocks didn't dampen?
Most of them do, but there are some that require an external BMS (Victron's lithium batteries come to mind). Most of the popular ones (BattleBorn, SOK, etc) have an internal BMS and it is usually well documented in the product documentation.
Great battery overview! Another difference between Lead-Acid and Lithium, some points, and a few rhetorical questions. First, lithium batteries are very impressive, but my next battery will probably be AGM. *Most deep-cycle Lead Acid batteries can supply more continuous current then Lithium. I ran onto this limit with my toaster and other appliances used for short duration, but they need more amps than one expensive lithium battery could provide, thus I would need multiple expensive lithium batteries to supply the occasion high current I wanted. $Yikes$ A few other notes. *The lifetime cycle count is very well known for lead-acid for all conditions, but Lithium is unproven out in the wild for at least for another 7 years. No doubt they will still be impressive even if they are short a few best-case cycles. However, the lifetime cost comparison changes. *With a 10+ year Lithium battery, I asked myself, how many other 10-13 year old electronic devices do I still use daily? *What happens if the electronics inside the Lithium battery fails after warranty - can it be repaired? *What other battery technology will come out in 10-13 years? *Lithium is sourced in other countries, limited finite supply, environmentally unfriendly and getting worse as easy supplies are exhausted. *If the battery is damaged by accident not covered by warranty, how much to replace compared to Lead-Acid?
I learned more in 13 minutes here than I did watching several hours of everyone else. Way to go and keep it up. Love your content and style of delivery
Usually when I watch a van video I have to watch 30 more to feel like I thoroughly grasp the concept but with this I feel like I have enough info to make a knowledgeable choice between the two.... which is so rare to get from just one video... thank you!
Nobody does van build components better. Thank you.
All info, no fluff. Well thought out, well said.
Very good video. You explain things so well in a very organized way. Thanks for making these.
Wow, great info! It seems that it took me a couple of years to research to the point where I decide on the solar equipment, had it installed, using just one 100 ah AGM battery and the alternator to charge. Tomorrow I'll have two 100 ah lithium batteries, and a 2000 watt invertor installed, along with a fuse block, cut off switch and all my lights, roof vent fan, Webasto heater rewired into the fuse block and also switches, usb outlets and a 12 volt outlet all to complete the electrical system in the van. I've been living in the van full time for over a year. I started out with the roof vent fan, and insulation. Everything else including the bed was make shift. There is still quit a bit of work left to do to make it more attractive and to functional. The electrical and solar is by far the most expensive job. I am going to love having a home that can easily function totally off grid for weeks at a time. So long as I can access water, from a creek, lake or river, I will be able to stay off grid for 2-3 weeks. I will never have to pack my laptop, and other electronics into a library, coffee shop or other to charge. Weehoo!
Weehoo!
Wow! I searched all over the internet for an explanation like this! Great work!
The most informative van content on internet. Well done!
you explain the most in the shortest amount of time !!! Bright kid !
Can I just say thank you and I owe you!! We just started our van build and the electrical part has given me nightmares! Your videos are incredible!! I feel like I just got into a college level course for free!! I owe you! ❤️😎. Thanks for the detailed explanation and eliminating my confusion and nightmares 🤣🤣😍😍
Greetings, I have been enjoying your videos. I’m almost ready for solar for my truck build, so this video is good timing mostly because I’m looking for a good battery system. I’m still in the process of researching different components to complete the electrical system. Thank you for your timely and informative video and information on this subject. Continued success in your channel. Please keep the infor coming. Sincerely, Rikky🤪
The higher charge efficiency of Lithium is an advantage for solar charging, as fewer watts coming from the panels on top of the van will be turned into heat and more into usable electricity.
Great content! Thanks for the “high efficiency” video. Great time-to-content ratio!
Sam Moser for president! This young man is obviously a genius. And he has the most pleasant demeanor. What planet did he come from?? ;-)
Maybe add one sentence on environmental impact of each type. Very clear and helpful.
With lithium you're basically getting a 10 times longer lasting battery for about 3 times the price of Lead-acid. However, as you said, you would need to use it for at least 3 years to see a pay-off for that investment. As long as everything goes fine than it will be a good investment but if anything goes wrong and you have to toss it, your warranty will probably be already over past 3 years. Still, if I had the budget I'd choose the lithium every time.
I must have watched hundreds of videos trying to explain batteries... so much to know.
What a great channel! I can’t believed we can access to all of the well explained and accurate informations about vehicle conversion and more!
THAAAANK YOU
Excellent video. Well done!
Best and most detailed information about batteries,✌️✌️☮️
You're a really good teacher. Thanks so much for this video, and please keep doing them!
Really surprised to hear you went with AGM. DIY Solar pretty much had me convinced on Lithium, but now I'm back to the drawing board haha
Dude i love you. Your electrical vids are saving me.
Solid explanation to help on hard decisions. Thanks @Moser!
There are cheaper LiFePO4 batteries available. It seems like the upfront cost is becoming less of a compelling reason.
Agreed! Since making this video many new LiFePO4 options have come out and the prices has come down on many others. Definitely makes them a more compelling option!
Extremely clear and usefull
Great info.tks
So with a lifepo4 battery - what tricks get used to insulate them from dropping below the 32F point and / or reduce charging current - what device does the latter ?
all LFP4 have their own BMS that prefents this. If you want to warm them a simple water tank mat does the job easily ($14)
What is the benefit over getting a battery system like this vs a portable power station(like jackery brand)?
Mate, what's the point of getting 2 AGM batteries over 1 LIPO if it is roughly the same cost and they have the same total output (since you can discharge LIPOs 100% and AGM 50%), LIPOs also have higher efficiency and last for way more cycles?
100% - plus, bc of the lower internal resistance they charge WAY quicker than FLA. Weigh less. Take up less space....
Thanks for the great information. We are building a cargo trailer conversion and are looking at putting in 1 x 100ah LiFePO4 battery for now with the idea to add another one later if we need to. Is it ok to add another battery later and have two batteries that would have different life cycles ? (Not sure if I’m saying that right but hopefully you know what I mean)
Hi Sam,
How do each of these battery types hold up as far as durability, i.e. shakes and jolts? Is there value added to add some kind of cushion underneath any to help dampen whatever remaining forces the vehicle's shocks didn't dampen?
If you get more than one AGM battery, would you recommend them be hooked up in series or parallel?
@@MoserMakes Thank you again.
Safe to presume all LiFePo4 batteries come with BMS?
Most of them do, but there are some that require an external BMS (Victron's lithium batteries come to mind). Most of the popular ones (BattleBorn, SOK, etc) have an internal BMS and it is usually well documented in the product documentation.
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Great battery overview! Another difference between Lead-Acid and Lithium, some points, and a few rhetorical questions.
First, lithium batteries are very impressive, but my next battery will probably be AGM.
*Most deep-cycle Lead Acid batteries can supply more continuous current then Lithium. I ran onto this limit with my toaster and other appliances used for short duration, but they need more amps than one expensive lithium battery could provide, thus I would need multiple expensive lithium batteries to supply the occasion high current I wanted. $Yikes$
A few other notes.
*The lifetime cycle count is very well known for lead-acid for all conditions, but Lithium is unproven out in the wild for at least for another 7 years. No doubt they will still be impressive even if they are short a few best-case cycles. However, the lifetime cost comparison changes.
*With a 10+ year Lithium battery, I asked myself, how many other 10-13 year old electronic devices do I still use daily?
*What happens if the electronics inside the Lithium battery fails after warranty - can it be repaired?
*What other battery technology will come out in 10-13 years?
*Lithium is sourced in other countries, limited finite supply, environmentally unfriendly and getting worse as easy supplies are exhausted.
*If the battery is damaged by accident not covered by warranty, how much to replace compared to Lead-Acid?
Ok, no toast or me
when you keep saying deep dish it's making me hungry
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