Great question! I'll get that out asap. In the meantime there are two viable options: If there are people around, you can rest the bar on your legs at the bottom until somebody (two people ideally) can help you. Or, you raise your hips and tip forward until your knees are out of the way (because they're now straightened) and dump the bar from there. But great idea - I'll get a video going on that subject!
I have never heard of the Zercher. Looks interesting. The deadline concerns me though. It seems to me that in order to get up from the starting point you have to engage the back vs hip hinge. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the deadlift and introduce risk of injury?
Good question! In general, just because something is a mechanism for injury doesn't mean we should *avoid* that movement. Quite frankly, graded exposure (to that very mechanism) allows us to become more resilient, and less prone to injury in the future. I go into detail about lifting with your back and provide research at the end of the following video: ua-cam.com/video/70M4j8813b4/v-deo.htmlsi=sn_eAAOvDn7_cPXF
@@ElectrumPerformance It's functional because it translate better to real world scenarios. Has nothing to do with limbs lengths. Hardly you ever find a load on your back but it happens a lot to pick something or even someone from the ground in day to day like or in some sports similar to what you'd do in Zercher.
I understand that line of logic, but it's flawed and doesn't actually reflect how general adaptation and transfer to sport occur. Strength training is not about mimicking sport specific (or life specific) scenarios. It's about applying a load to a target tissue to elicit adaptation. Applying load to a given tissue can occur just fine with a bar on the back, held in a Zercher position, or on a machine. *Load* is what elicits adaptation, and that adaptation can be applied in nearly infinite contexts of using the tissue that has adapted. Functional training is nothing more than a marketing term, I assure you 👍
Do you have evidence? I can share a study that show machines provide just as much benefit to athletic qualities (measured in sprinting and jumping) as free weights. Training is about the stimulus, and the subsequent adaptation to that stimulus. Not mimicking movements in daily life or sport.
Started doing zercher squats because of you and it's honestly a lift I always look forward to. I feel like it helps so much with passing because of the upright position it forces you to be vs low bar back squat
Love that I helped with such a useful tool! Def a good option for fighters, and the more you train Zerchers the more benefit they provide 👊 How long have you been training them for?
I'm sorry about your experience. There is a short term risk to ANY strength movement - we apply stress to the body in such a way that it elicits change. We mitigate that short term risk with appropriate load management. The elbow discomfort, in my experience (with hundreds of fighters and people of mixed experience levels) provides a guide to follow that'll limit risk elsewhere. Is it still possible to load crap out of any exercise and get hurt? Absolutely. But the discomfort from Zerchers can and is a very effective guide. If you listen to it.
I’m curious, what weight were you lifting and how quickly did you get to that weight since you started doing them? And were you using any pads/cushings on the bar?
Don't confuse short-term risk with long-term risk. The body responds positively to stress if dosed appropriately. Think of somebody who is at risk for cardiovascular disease. Technically, any elevation of their heart rate increases short term risk of a cardiac event. Should they aim to ALWAYS keep their HR low and avoid doing cardio? Or do they train cardio, manage the short term risk by taking it slow at first, and by training it *directly*, decrease their long term risk of a cardiac event? If you're actually interested in learning, this is a very in-depth presentation on my training paradigm for the back. I also end the video by providing 24 sources to back up my claims. ua-cam.com/video/70M4j8813b4/v-deo.htmlsi=Eb_FpDOBouAdd88Y
@@ElectrumPerformance Some parts of the body, yes. The cushions between the vertebrae in your lower back aren't one of those things I don't think. I can't imagine doing deadlift motions with a completely bent back is going to work out well.
@@ElectrumPerformance I got about 5 minutes into your video on glass backs where you compared a world athlete's spine currently to his spine when he was a baby, which is some laughable nonsense. The body often "adapts" by creating scar tissue which will still give you myriad issues later in life. There's a reason not many of these top end bodybuilders and powerlifters have a great time in their 50s and 60s, the human spine isn't meant to have a thousand pounds of force on it.
Then watch the last 10 minutes, it's just a research review. The fact of the matter is, the body (and every single tissue within it) adapts positively to appropriately dosed stress. There is ample evidence that the IVD do the same, but if you insist on claiming that you're fragile that'll be a self fulfilling prophecy
Great content! Could we maybe get a demonstration on how to bail from a failed, heavy zercher squat?
Great question! I'll get that out asap.
In the meantime there are two viable options:
If there are people around, you can rest the bar on your legs at the bottom until somebody (two people ideally) can help you.
Or, you raise your hips and tip forward until your knees are out of the way (because they're now straightened) and dump the bar from there.
But great idea - I'll get a video going on that subject!
8 reasons why we are going to hit zerchers together in Feb 😎
We gotta film the banter while we're at it 😂
@@ElectrumPerformance 45 minutes of zerchers, 2 hours of banter
Why, yes.
I am a based Chad.
I could tell 🗿
@@ElectrumPerformance 🤣
I have never heard of the Zercher. Looks interesting. The deadline concerns me though. It seems to me that in order to get up from the starting point you have to engage the back vs hip hinge. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the deadlift and introduce risk of injury?
Good question! In general, just because something is a mechanism for injury doesn't mean we should *avoid* that movement.
Quite frankly, graded exposure (to that very mechanism) allows us to become more resilient, and less prone to injury in the future.
I go into detail about lifting with your back and provide research at the end of the following video:
ua-cam.com/video/70M4j8813b4/v-deo.htmlsi=sn_eAAOvDn7_cPXF
Awesome coach! I learned from the best. Thank you for introducing this wonderful excercise to my workout life!
You're the best Kelly, we miss you! Do you ever come back this way anymore?
@@ElectrumPerformance not sure when but for sure will make EP a stop! I miss your coaching and environment 😢
Please let us know if you do! We miss you too 🙏
Love how prevalent these exercises that would have been considered dangerous 10-15 years ago are becoming, our future of athletes is bright
I'm definitely loving the shift in perspective too, and glad to have you along 🙏
The most functional squat form. I use squat pads on my elbows though.
Why are some exercises labeled "functional," when people have different goals, limb lengths, etc?
@@ElectrumPerformance It's functional because it translate better to real world scenarios. Has nothing to do with limbs lengths. Hardly you ever find a load on your back but it happens a lot to pick something or even someone from the ground in day to day like or in some sports similar to what you'd do in Zercher.
I understand that line of logic, but it's flawed and doesn't actually reflect how general adaptation and transfer to sport occur.
Strength training is not about mimicking sport specific (or life specific) scenarios. It's about applying a load to a target tissue to elicit adaptation.
Applying load to a given tissue can occur just fine with a bar on the back, held in a Zercher position, or on a machine.
*Load* is what elicits adaptation, and that adaptation can be applied in nearly infinite contexts of using the tissue that has adapted.
Functional training is nothing more than a marketing term, I assure you 👍
@@ElectrumPerformance Yeah nahh
Do you have evidence? I can share a study that show machines provide just as much benefit to athletic qualities (measured in sprinting and jumping) as free weights.
Training is about the stimulus, and the subsequent adaptation to that stimulus. Not mimicking movements in daily life or sport.
Started doing zercher squats because of you and it's honestly a lift I always look forward to. I feel like it helps so much with passing because of the upright position it forces you to be vs low bar back squat
Love that I helped with such a useful tool! Def a good option for fighters, and the more you train Zerchers the more benefit they provide 👊
How long have you been training them for?
@@ElectrumPerformance Just around 3 months or so!
They only get more fun the longer you do them! Keep at it 👊
Great video, definitely gonna try these
You won't regret it! 🫡
snatch to overhead squat
clean to front squat
dead to zercher squat
aka the "no squat rack squat work out"
On my way to become a based chad... Or am i one🤨
I believe you already are one 🫡🗿
lol never get hurt? I partially tore a distal bicep tendon doing them that actually ruptured a year later.
I'm sorry about your experience.
There is a short term risk to ANY strength movement - we apply stress to the body in such a way that it elicits change.
We mitigate that short term risk with appropriate load management. The elbow discomfort, in my experience (with hundreds of fighters and people of mixed experience levels) provides a guide to follow that'll limit risk elsewhere.
Is it still possible to load crap out of any exercise and get hurt?
Absolutely.
But the discomfort from Zerchers can and is a very effective guide. If you listen to it.
I’m curious, what weight were you lifting and how quickly did you get to that weight since you started doing them? And were you using any pads/cushings on the bar?
Was that a 495lb vercher deadlift?? Insane
I dont mean the youth in asia.
I mean [redacted]
Lmao
Wasn't sure how that made the cut tbh 😅😅
Why did you censor Canadian Healthcare?
how to slip a disc 101.
Don't confuse short-term risk with long-term risk. The body responds positively to stress if dosed appropriately.
Think of somebody who is at risk for cardiovascular disease. Technically, any elevation of their heart rate increases short term risk of a cardiac event. Should they aim to ALWAYS keep their HR low and avoid doing cardio?
Or do they train cardio, manage the short term risk by taking it slow at first, and by training it *directly*, decrease their long term risk of a cardiac event?
If you're actually interested in learning, this is a very in-depth presentation on my training paradigm for the back. I also end the video by providing 24 sources to back up my claims.
ua-cam.com/video/70M4j8813b4/v-deo.htmlsi=Eb_FpDOBouAdd88Y
@@ElectrumPerformance Some parts of the body, yes. The cushions between the vertebrae in your lower back aren't one of those things I don't think. I can't imagine doing deadlift motions with a completely bent back is going to work out well.
Watch the video I linked. I include 24 studies to back my claims. This belief you have is absolutely worth challenging
@@ElectrumPerformance I got about 5 minutes into your video on glass backs where you compared a world athlete's spine currently to his spine when he was a baby, which is some laughable nonsense.
The body often "adapts" by creating scar tissue which will still give you myriad issues later in life.
There's a reason not many of these top end bodybuilders and powerlifters have a great time in their 50s and 60s, the human spine isn't meant to have a thousand pounds of force on it.
Then watch the last 10 minutes, it's just a research review.
The fact of the matter is, the body (and every single tissue within it) adapts positively to appropriately dosed stress. There is ample evidence that the IVD do the same, but if you insist on claiming that you're fragile that'll be a self fulfilling prophecy
You need to calm down right now.
Calm is no fun 😂