Here is why you NEED Origin Dialga & Palkia!

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  • @Intjers
    @Intjers 10 місяців тому +4

    So my 15-14-15 O-Palkia isn't as good as I thought he was :(

  • @jershooter2480
    @jershooter2480 10 місяців тому +10

    For the regular dialga users, there is NO need to build the origin forme and here is why:
    Some feedback:
    (Pro tip 1: ALWAYS run dialga best buddied)
    + Regular dialga with best buddy will always win CMP over the origin form. Dialga is the most used pokemon according to pvpoke. So losing cmp on the most used pokemon can be a game breaker.
    + A best buddied dialga will win against reshiram and mamoswine in the 0 shields. Only a NON best buddied will lose against those.
    + Losing CMP against groudon, kyogre, reshiram, zekrom and the mirror is also a game breaker.
    + Landorus incarnate isnt used in the high elo range, neither in low-average elo range (i am currently on 3300 elo and havent seen a single one the last 2 months, same can be said about ursaluna)
    + Regular best buddied dialga will actually win against mudshot garchomp because of the breakpoint it has. (in the 0&1 shields)
    + 2 Shields scenarios are litteraly the same
    + the match up against landorus therian forme will be worse, after hitting a sandear storm you will get way more farm/energy
    (Speaking about the mega master leagua, i dont play that and niantic has no plans to bring it back)
    So i completely disagree with your statement that you NEED an origin form. Simply not true. Good video tho.
    Cheers

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +5

      We can agree to disagree😊
      I do think that the ~5% extra bulk is very relevant - perhaps it might not look like it in simulations but in practice definitely does

    • @jershooter2480
      @jershooter2480 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Inadequance Yeah true tho 🤗,
      but looking at the sims i dont see myself spending another 296xl for almost the exact same thing. Same cant be said about palkia tho. The regular dialga scores even higher in the 1 shields without roar of time 🤔

    • @forrest8482
      @forrest8482 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Inadequanceagreed, in any uneven matchups (like on safe switch or coming out of another matchup), the bulk will be helpful and hard to quantify by simulation

    • @adammaskil2764
      @adammaskil2764 10 місяців тому +1

      You see lots of things like incarnete lando and some of those megas and ursaluna in battle frontier (new silph factions) and in lots of show 6 ml tournaments

    • @amanballani8907
      @amanballani8907 10 місяців тому +1

      Hello so now I was thinking to build 1 dialga Because I don't have inougf xl and I am not a ml player so which one I should build normal or origin?

  • @derppogopvp7430
    @derppogopvp7430 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the informative video! Really looking forward to raiding these two :)

  • @LukeNichols19
    @LukeNichols19 10 місяців тому +1

    I climbed from 2500 to 3000 in four days running both of these Pokémon with xerneas as my third, they’re amazing

  • @anthony7875
    @anthony7875 10 місяців тому +2

    I had to power up my shiny 15/15/13 palkia. Also had to power up my 15/13/15 shiny dialga. Both the origin forms. I'd rather power up those good shinies than a 100% variant, not that I got any after 100 raids😂

  • @DanielPieszko
    @DanielPieszko 10 місяців тому +2

    Great content! So glad I found your channel. My best o-palkia is a 13/15/15. I understand I lose CMP tie in the mirror but if I’m not leading with him that shouldn’t be a problem. Do you know if I lose any important attack break points vs the 15/14 attack o-palkia, besides Swampert?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      Your Palkia does not miss any breakpoints besides the dragon tail one vs Swampert

    • @mozartkugeln8
      @mozartkugeln8 9 місяців тому

      My best is a 13/14/14 O Palkia. Does it lose any important breakpoints? Is it still better than the Sinnoh Palkia?

    • @snadwitch
      @snadwitch 7 місяців тому

      @@mozartkugeln8that is not good enough i would hold off

  • @justlorenzos
    @justlorenzos 5 місяців тому

    I think if one has a 15/14/15 palkia with bb covers enough problems...only breakpoints remaining are the dialga bb and lando bb..the second one might be a bit problematic but you still win switch whatever they do so i dont think it's a bad idea to power up a 98 palkia with 14 def...plus you'd use the ribbon on palkia either way most likely hahahah

  • @champusclipz2293
    @champusclipz2293 10 місяців тому +5

    Sweet analysis... Thanks

  • @jing6098
    @jing6098 10 місяців тому +2

    I have 14/15/15 Origin Palkia should i use with Dragon Breath Or Tail?

  • @josephjuan9797
    @josephjuan9797 10 місяців тому

    I have a 14/15/15 Palkia (Origin) that I have best buddied that I wanted to team up with my 15/15/14 Dialga (Origin) (Landorus (T) as safe swap)). One problem (aside from 14 attack on Palkia) si that Dialga does not have RoT.. if I intend to use the Dialga as a closer would it be okay to build this one with Draco Meteor or would you suggest trying to lucky trade for one with RoT and 15/15/15 or 15/15/14 IVs?

  • @Lucky69K
    @Lucky69K 10 місяців тому +2

    Bro my pant,shirt pockets are crying after seeing this video of origin dialga

  • @popouuie
    @popouuie 10 місяців тому +1

    So my origin dialga 15/13/15 isn’t a good choice right?

  • @valentijnb3070
    @valentijnb3070 10 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the video. Just to be sure... What Origin Dialga is better? a 15/15/13 or 15/14/14

    • @LukeNichols19
      @LukeNichols19 10 місяців тому +1

      Attack > defense > hp for masters importance generally. The first is better

    • @valentijnb3070
      @valentijnb3070 10 місяців тому +3

      Are you sure? I also tought the 15/15/13 would be better but PVPoke says the 15/14/14 would get 1 more win. (against normal dialga in the 1 shield)@@LukeNichols19

  • @CalebFrome
    @CalebFrome 10 місяців тому +1

    Which origin Dialga is better? 15/14/15 or 14/15/15? I would assume the 15-ATK is better, but most of the IV ranking websites list the 14/15/15 higher.

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      15 attack is definitely the way. Most important bulkpoint you miss is Kyogre. HOWEVER:
      Very few Kyogre are best buddied. So if your Origin Dialga is, you will still get the bulkpoint vs Kyogre. And because you are 15 attack, you also may hit breakpoint vs Origin Palkia, and win CMP against other Origin Dialga, Kyogre and Groudon

  • @ahmedsaleh8659
    @ahmedsaleh8659 Місяць тому

    Hi inadequance im having a hard time selecting which OF dialga to power up because the decent IVs do NOT have roar of time
    WITHOUT roar of time
    15/14/15
    14/15/15
    With roar of time these are so far what i have
    14/14/13
    15/12/14
    12/14/15
    I hope you read this i really need your help uhm merry Christmas to you if you're celebrating

  • @PlayKun
    @PlayKun 10 місяців тому +4

    Hello so I got a little confused. A tiny bit lol I have a 14/15/15 palkia orgin from sinnoh tour LA… if I get a 15/14/15 from global which one should I power up ? You said 15 defense but also if I don’t have 15 attack I lose cmp. So which is better? This is me asking in case I don’t get a hundo during global lol

    • @amanballani8907
      @amanballani8907 10 місяців тому +1

      15-14-15

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +4

      Thats for yourself to decide what you find more important.
      I find 15 defense more important to avoid the breakpoint Origin Dialga gets. If you know you lose CMP in the mirror, you can still play with that by not leading the Palkia or catching on another Pokemon when you’d reach CMP

    • @dannstarrjp
      @dannstarrjp 10 місяців тому +2

      Where does 15/15/13 fall? It has perfect attack and defense which was what we should focus on but it still does lose to both sinnoh and origin palkias because of less hp. Worth building or not?

    • @PlayKun
      @PlayKun 10 місяців тому +1

      @@dannstarrjp this is also something I’d like to know as well.

    • @PlayKun
      @PlayKun 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Inadequance what about a 15/15/13? Had the 15 attack and 15 defense you mention but does the 13 hp mess it all up? I seem tired get everything but a 98. I have like 6 (96) iv ones lmao

  • @ahoyladies8520
    @ahoyladies8520 2 місяці тому

    “O Dialga is not as IV dependent.”
    Oh great, I can upgrade my 14/15/15 lucky!
    “It does need 15 attack however”
    D:

    • @kennyli4319
      @kennyli4319 Місяць тому

      Got the same thing morning shiny rot, bb it should be fine unless you need to bb your other 2 Pokémon

  • @MrCornMango
    @MrCornMango 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video, thank you.

  • @crispy8295
    @crispy8295 10 місяців тому +1

    Hey! I got a 15/15/10 palkia shiny with spacial rend. Does that meet the breakpoints? Or just hold out for a hundo? Also got a hundo but no spacial rend :/

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      It meets all the break- and bulkpoints, but you may lose some matchups that Palkia otherwise would have won by 4 HP

  • @takecare3852
    @takecare3852 10 місяців тому +1

    I have enough XLs for both from raiding hard last year and just need to get the Hundo now lol

    • @Kamilo600v
      @Kamilo600v 10 місяців тому +1

      It could me more difficult than colecting xl candies

  • @mariopostert9136
    @mariopostert9136 10 місяців тому

    So for exampel 15/15/10 is good for pvp is that right?

  • @josephjuan9797
    @josephjuan9797 10 місяців тому +1

    I have two 98% Origin Palkias: 15-14-15 and 14-15-15. It sounds like you would recommend building the 14-15-15 and perhaps Best Buddying it? Which moveset would you recommend?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      The difference between the two is that you either lose CMP in the mirror, or lose harder to Origin Dialga. Considering the mirror is quite close regardless because dragon fast attacks do so much damage, I would choose 14/15/15 over 15/15/14. Best buddy definitely helps in case the Dialga is also best buddied.
      Recommended moveset is breath/tail (I like tail for its strength, though breath plays a bit more flexible) + Aqua tail & Spacial rend

    • @Dantehhhhh
      @Dantehhhhh 10 місяців тому +2

      @@InadequanceI got a 15/14/15 Origin Palkia and a 14/15/15 and was so dissappointed cause I thought I had an amazing one with 15 attack.. freaking 15 DEF bulkpoint.
      I am having a really hard time OCD wise spending 300 XL candies on the 14 attack one because until now I had NEVER, ever powered a non-15 attack mon for the Master League, but I think I will have to swallow my perfectionism and do it, cause realistically I’m not gonna raid Palkia Origin ever again, did like 120 raids yesterday and ended up nauseated at the ridiculousness of it all.
      Inadequance can I have your blessing to power up my 14 attack Palkia so that I never lose CMPs and my brain doesnt break pls 😂 (nah seriously, I should do that right? Instead of the 14 DEF one taking into account that these are the best Palkias I’ll ever have)

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      @@Dantehhhhhlol you have my blessing BUT unless you are still trying to get legend this season and insist on doing this with Palkia, you might want to do lucky trades to get a hundo or 15/15/14, or if you are patient - I have a feeling they may come again with GO fest as well. They did same with Primal raids last year

    • @bradleyrgreen
      @bradleyrgreen 10 місяців тому +1

      Lose harded is true, be relative. In sims, its a difference of losing with Dialga having 12 more hp and the same amount of energy in both the 0 and 1 shield scenario. In 0 shield, Dialga limps away with 3 (15 def) or 15 (14 def) hp and no energy.

    • @BeingMoya
      @BeingMoya 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@Inadequance So a 15/15/14 Origin Palkia is a functional hundo?

  • @brandoncarver5161
    @brandoncarver5161 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video! So for origin dialga should I then power up my 15/15/14 over my 15/14/15?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      Absolutely!

    • @simonhaas211
      @simonhaas211 10 місяців тому +2

      15/15/14 dialga has no difference compared to the 100% I believe

    • @wenletu
      @wenletu 10 місяців тому

      @@simonhaas211that’s true mein kamerad

  • @aritrabiswas7548
    @aritrabiswas7548 10 місяців тому +1

    How is a 14/15/14 palkia 🙂 that's the highest I got after 32 raids. How will it fare in master league? Should I invest it upon?
    Please reply

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      Check the other comments

    • @aritrabiswas7548
      @aritrabiswas7548 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Inadequance got it, thank you!

  • @Ranzees
    @Ranzees 10 місяців тому +1

    just got a 98% palkia origin and a 13/15/15 origin dialga. Im so lucky

  • @Scarryo
    @Scarryo 10 місяців тому +1

    So I have the new forms with IVs for master league, is there any reason to keep trying to get the old forms apart from a collection or something when they come back? Or just stay with my origin forms
    Edit: my origin palkia is 15/14/15

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      Old forms are not super necessary but OK to have a few. Especially Sinnoh Palkia is kind of redundant, but may cost a few less points in point formats in like Battle Frontier

    • @Scarryo
      @Scarryo 10 місяців тому +1

      @Inadequance just making sure I didn't miss out on anything, I hadn't played when sinnoh forms were around before and I only focused on origin, thanks for the help and clarification

  • @paulywang7854
    @paulywang7854 10 місяців тому +1

    HI, I have two shiny Dialga_Origin which is 15 14 15 and 15 15 13, which should I invested ? Thank you very much 😀

    • @TymenBiker
      @TymenBiker 10 місяців тому +1

      the 15 14 15 is better, you need the 15 hp stat on it

    • @paulywang7854
      @paulywang7854 10 місяців тому

      Thank you very much 😃😃😃

  • @derekcruz742
    @derekcruz742 10 місяців тому +1

    If the altered dialga got access to ROT would it still be worse than the origin?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      Yes! All my simulations actually have been under the assumption that sinnoh Dialga also gets Roar of Time. And it will still only pick up the 0s in the mirror

    • @derekcruz742
      @derekcruz742 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Inadequance I see, thank you for your insight and quick response. Time to grind XLs for o-dialga since I just got the hundo yesterday (after like 25 raids) and don’t have a dialga built up yet as I just started playing the game again last summer

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      @@derekcruz742awesome - good luck!

  • @matteovalentini4850
    @matteovalentini4850 10 місяців тому +1

    So if I got that right, my 15-14-15 Origin Palkia losing a bp vs origin Dialga is worse than my 15-15-13 Origin Palkia, despite pvpoke saying there's no difference between a hundo and a 15-14-15 o.palkia? It'd be shattering to know but also very useful :D

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +2

      Did you sim vs sinnoh or origin dialga? Because 14 defense takes 7 damage from Origin Dialga while 15 defense takes 6

    • @matteovalentini4850
      @matteovalentini4850 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Inadequance Nono the O.Dialga match up definitely is worsened by 1 def stat less. It's just a bit weird that while running the matrix sim to answer to this comment with actual numbers, the 15-15-13 suddenly only loses to Palkias, whereas I remember having less favoured match ups last I checked(???) :D It does seem like 15-15-13 would be a better choice than the 15-14-15, Kind of like how it was with Sinnoh Dialga after all, brings back "amazing" memories :D!

    • @dannstarrjp
      @dannstarrjp 10 місяців тому +2

      @@matteovalentini4850 the difference with sinnoh dialga was that 15/15/14 had the same hp as hundo and 15/15/13 only had one less that changed nothing. 15/15/14 origin palkia has one less hp than hundo which also changes nothing but 15/15/13 has 2hp less and changes quite a bit more as you no longer beat either sinnoh or origin palkia. I have 15/15/13 myself as my best palkia and I’m still not 100% sold on whether it’s worth the investment, I don’t raid much and so if I max a legendary it better be a hundo or effective hundo. 15/15/13 palkia o unfortunately is not, but then if I don’t build this I won’t have this Pokémon at all..

    • @matteovalentini4850
      @matteovalentini4850 10 місяців тому +2

      @@dannstarrjp yeah, you're voicing my feelings exactly! I think, despite master league being playable now and very tempting, we should suck it up and plan to get lucky trades palkia :) most people chose pearl path anyway, I don't know a single local who raided origin dialga instead

  • @wickedhero3764
    @wickedhero3764 10 місяців тому +1

    if i only can focus 1 legendary for grind, which one is better for pvp?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +3

      I think Origin Dialga is the safer pick to go with if you don’t have one yet. If you already have a Sinnoh Dialga built you probably want to focus more on Origin Palkia

  • @hansrichard3804
    @hansrichard3804 10 місяців тому

    I've got a 15 12 15 shiny o-dialga and 14 15 14 o-dialga and a 15-15-12 normal dialga. Which one should i power up for pvp?

  • @KingOverlander
    @KingOverlander 10 місяців тому

    Is a 14/14/15 O-Palkia worth LVL50'ing? Not sure if it is worth waiting to trading for one with a 15 ATK?

    • @hoomanov
      @hoomanov 10 місяців тому

      Never. Be patient

  • @M4rleyZ
    @M4rleyZ 10 місяців тому

    I put my dialga origin 15/15/13 in level 50, did i make a good choice? Its just have 1 hp less

  • @crispy8295
    @crispy8295 10 місяців тому

    So is 15/14/15 dialga O functionally as good as a hundo?

    • @snadwitch
      @snadwitch 7 місяців тому

      yes, the difference is negligible

  • @Frontfight
    @Frontfight 10 місяців тому

    We already know we need both. What I need to know is how i’m going to get enough raids in in such a short timespan. Do you get some kind of premium service on a raiding app?

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      There is no such thing and services that do offer are very likely scams

    • @Frontfight
      @Frontfight 10 місяців тому

      @@Inadequance With their pricing it 100% is a scam, but so is pokemon go and their pricing. I am still willing to waste the money so if paying 60€ extra on a raiding app can get me the raids in i’m all for it, just need to know if it actually works.

    • @Frontfight
      @Frontfight 10 місяців тому

      It wasn't as bad as I thought, done over 200 raids already. @@Inadequance

  • @charlottesphie7037
    @charlottesphie7037 10 місяців тому +1

    The best i have is 15/14/15. I refuse to invest for non hundo lagendaries. Lol . Master league is avoidable

  • @EVIZE17
    @EVIZE17 10 місяців тому

    I got a 100% Origin Palkia... missing the new move.... what should I do 😮‍💨

    • @kairoshs
      @kairoshs 10 місяців тому

      Just wait, they will probably allow us to elite tm. I got a 4* dialga-o without the move too

    • @EVIZE17
      @EVIZE17 10 місяців тому

      @@kairoshs I bet its going to be a year from now

    • @Denizozzzy003
      @Denizozzzy003 10 місяців тому

      ​@EVIZE17 with how Groundon and Kyogre its going to be about 6-8 months before O Dialga and Palkia cab get their moves

  • @WAbe-zr5xz
    @WAbe-zr5xz 10 місяців тому

    Yeah but with origin dialga you lose cmp tie to kyogre and groudon. Losing that cmp to groudon will lose younthe game if you eat a precipice blades

  • @PapaDoz
    @PapaDoz 10 місяців тому +1

    Wtf Inadequance, my wallet is now extremely unhappy with you... 😅

    • @jershooter2480
      @jershooter2480 10 місяців тому +1

      Look at my comment in the comment section before spending any money

  • @dannstarrjp
    @dannstarrjp 10 місяців тому

    So level 51 sinnoh dialga is actually not that far behind level 51 origin dialga (or maybe even better?). Everybody uses dialga at level 51 so as long as I agree with palkia being a huge upgrade, I don’t think dialga quite is

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      The theoretical matchups you pick up are the ones I showed in the graphs in the video.
      In practice Origin Dialga will do just better as it has like 5% more bulk

  • @DeadBeanz23
    @DeadBeanz23 10 місяців тому +1

    Smh i have 2 lvl 50 dialga and palkia now its absolute garbage. Now im stuck to raid these. :( this truly pay to win when it comes to master league. Fuckin hate niantic i swear.

    • @Denizozzzy003
      @Denizozzzy003 10 місяців тому

      I do agree in the p2w part, the thing with og Dialga and O Dialga both have their pros and cons to use. I'm sure in the future both normal Dialga and Palkia will have their signature moves.

  • @hoihoihoihoi6500
    @hoihoihoihoi6500 10 місяців тому

    How good is palkia 15/13/14?

    • @garrettstephens6068
      @garrettstephens6068 10 місяців тому

      Terrible, just transfer it

    • @hoihoihoihoi6500
      @hoihoihoihoi6500 10 місяців тому

      Real? It is shiny though

    • @bradleyrgreen
      @bradleyrgreen 10 місяців тому +1

      Its the lowest you really want to go, and will work out just fine. If you are in no rush though, a few weeks to see if a trade comes through doesn't hurt.

  • @devrajbera
    @devrajbera 10 місяців тому

    👍👍👍👍👍👌

  • @Arctivarius
    @Arctivarius 10 місяців тому +1

    What are the odds they let us elite tm the moves later? My 4* palkia needs to know 🥲

    • @Inadequance
      @Inadequance  10 місяців тому +1

      I hope it won’t take too long!

  • @lionletda598
    @lionletda598 10 місяців тому

    Challenge @itsAXN in a show 6 pick 3 format 😊