The buttons are the back are close together because they’re designed to be used with one finger. I’m also used to using middle and ring finger, which is why I haven’t picked one up yet. This is designed to roll just your middle finger up for the top and down for the bottom.
Yeah I know the one finger design is a slight drawback but I’ve gotten used to it now with my grip. The one finger press only works in some cases sadly; fast movements and simultaneous commands like a jump to crouch slide feels hard to preform consistently with the single finger. Maybe some upgrades in the future for the envision 2?
If people are complaining about resources being used for the software while running rgb lights keyboard lights etc. People need to understand its time to update platform and ram. That will boost performance for the long run
@@blast8785 coming up just shy of a year with the controller. It’s still perfect and works flawlessly. Shoulder buttons are a game changer if you haven’t used them before.
I mean people leave Wallpaper engine on with multiple displays and they complain about the ICUE software 🤣 ps im waiting on mine and i have high expectations.
Lmfao seriously the same people prob drive around with 3 light warnings on their car dashboard. When you get your scuf come back and let me know how you actually like it! I’ve been using mine to make macro key strings for hell diver 2 stratagems recently so expect that explanation video soon too. Thanks for the comment bro. Really hope you like the control as much as me.
I just the Bought it! And This is Misleading and Miss Information!!!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE SOFTWARE RUNNING!!! You can quit the software and the controller runs AMAZING.. I’ve hear it all over the internet that the software needs to be running is a LIE! Best Controller out 2024 if u need help Dm here ASAP
@@J90.s Yeah it just needs to be running in the background for the g keys to function properly with other apps. If you have your profiles saved to your on board memory on the envision pro everything works fine as a videogame controller. You can still have your g keys programmed for whatever inputs and key bindings to the on board memory and use it like that; but in my case I couldn’t control apps like my insta360 link software and OBS features without having the software running in the background minimized. Glad you loving the controller though. I’ve been running it for like almost a year now and still have no regrets.
@@pizzaxavi nice! Idk I guess it all depends on the controller when buying it and where from some work with the software on some work with the software off! In my case I have all keys map even the gs key and game for about 12 hours a day and I never had a problem yet! I don’t need to have the software on ! Plus it adds delays to ur cpu more usage! I play Cod everyday I have no problem and the controller is so damn accurate. I will make a video soon. Hope it goes well with you but the controller is A 1 💯 Best out now!
Yeah it does use more of your resources, it’s essentially playing a video on loop over and over on your controller. It looks cool but not really the best use of your CPU.
@@pizzaxavi my only concern is the inevitable stick drift . Seems like theirs technology combating this but I'm not sure it's present in this or the instinct. Can I just change the thumbstick and it go away will I need to send it in?
The fact this uses the PlayStation/Straight analog position is what's selling it to me, I primarily use the Dpad for most of my games, so this configuration has become my favourite. I appreciate the review, out of all the controllers for my PC, this is the one that's calling my attention the most... The other issue I have is the "SAX" buttons, their position is outright stupid. If they could add them like Razer adds some extra buttons around the triggers, this controller will up some points.
Honestly I was into it for the same reasons, I prefer the straight analog position. I thought that the sax buttons were placed in a weird spot before actually getting some hands on time with the controller. I never accidentally hit them (probably did like 2-3 times) but not as intrusive as they seem. I honestly really enjoy the location of them now but with that being said I never tried any of the Razer controller button layout
Yeah man I honestly would. My only original complaint was the size of the paddles but I quickly got adjusted to the feel coming from the Series 2 to the Envision Pro. Now I really got used to the shoulder buttons and use them way more than I anticipated.
@@pizzaxavi good man thanks for the reply. I think I’ll follow your advice and make the change. I have to get rid of the Xbox elite anyway because the bumpers have stopped working!
@@hutch3459 dude that was my same issue, I ended up pulling the controller apart a few times and “fixing” them (there are these tiny plastic shims under the bumpers actuators and they are so flimsy they stop making contact and end up missing inputs.) if you haven’t tried pulling it apart it’s worth a shot if anything. It got me a couple more months out of it before it started acting weird again so I caved and got the Scuf
@@pizzaxavi hahaha I’ve had to do that too, I’m having to do it every few days now with a tiny screwdriver to push it up and I’ve just had enough of it! Time to put my hand in my pocket
hey bro i just picked it up this and im tryin to learn to play with it. Just wanted to say that i agree with you about the pads on the back needing to be a little more spaced out for both fingers.
Yeah for people like me coming from the Elite Series 2 it feels a little weird at first if you like resting all four fingers on the paddles. I feel like it was designed with the idea of only having one finger on the paddles at a time. If you rest just your middle finger on the P1 and P4 paddles you could use that middle finger to either apply upwards pressure to hit P2 and P3 or downwards pressure to hit P1 or P4. The input honestly feels smooth and easy to hit the buttons when you use them that way but its not ideal for certain games with movement like apex legends where holding your toggle crouch down (P3) and jumping (P4) is needed simultaneously; all four fingers on the paddle work better for games like that compared to more straight forward game inputs where you don't need multiple inputs going on with the paddles at once. Thanks for the comment, hope you adjust quickly like I did.
Last scuff had was Vantage 1 to just non stop vibrate no function at all Warranty means nothing to them bc they said we don't support that Vantage 1 anymore even though still under warranty. Last scuff ever wanted to touch but this being the only damn Controller with SAX buttons which have become a 100% must need now. No console controller with then now I don't get it but looking into this 1 despite all complaints on the Icue w.e. program
Lmfao that was my feelings coming from my broken Elite series 2 which left bumper would activate whenever it wanted to 🥲 I’m still happy with my purchase. The Envision has done me only good so far.
I’ve had mine since Christmas and the left trigger broke, when I press it once it’ll actually be pressed multiple times. I only use mouse click triggers so that could be what caused it, but I feel like 5 months for a high end controller to be unusable is not okay. It is covered under warranty tho so I’m getting it repaired for free, it’s just an annoyance. Has anyone else ran into this issue or did I just likely have a defective model?
Dang man sorry to hear about the malfunction; I haven’t had that issue at all (or yet lol) I also only use the hair triggers but yeah totally agree with you 5 months too soon for stuff like that to happen. How was the customer service experience cause I heard that dealing with Scuf could go either or sometimes.
@@pizzaxavi the only interaction I had with support was them approving my request, the process to get my controller repaired was pretty easy. I just filled out a form with my order # and the Scuf seal of approval number (which is the controller serial number) and they emailed me, approving my repair request within an hour of submitting the form. I just shipped the controller out today so if I remember, I’ll come back to let you know how long it takes for them to repair and send back my controller
Dang man that's rough, yeah iCue been doing some people dirty but have yet to wrong me. I just filmed another update video regarding firmware 0.14.62 and haven't had any issues at all. Praying it stays that way.
I ended up returning mine because it would constantly lose its configuration even if iCue was open. Seems like if the PC went to sleep, the controller would stop working properly. I would have to reboot to get it to work again. But it would just fail again a soon as the PC went to sleep. Did this get fixed?
I’m going to film a video later about the newest firmware update that was release yesterday! I had minimal issues with the software in the past but people have said more recent updates “bricked” the controller. I’m going to make a new video and see if the update fixes anything or just bricks my controller like others are saying. Wish me luck!
@@waynegriffith yeah man I hope it just gets better from this update forward. The control and hardware feels great just the software needs some attention.
@@2buckgeo843 Yo all honesty I only had two disconnects since the last update but it was after my computer went to sleep from being AFK; once I reopened the software they connected again right away
Let’s go I definitely agree with you I wish the next model has a touchpad and then scuff could have the face plates with a touchpad cutout. Scuff if you combined this controller with the original scuff vantage 1 for ps4 that would be basically the perfect controller. Bring back the touch pad and audio Touch Bar!!
Also add a psychical profile switch on the back for ultimate customization! That would enable 2X Times the functionality of the G keys without having to pause your game and go into icue …unless you can program a g key to switch profiles ? Not sure if that’s possible
Dude couldn’t have said it any more accurate. The Vantage 1 went crazy and had those long paddles on the back that were still super low profile. That would be the perfect hybrid of comfort and utility. The touch pad would be a huge bonus for PC users cause then you can navigate your whole PC with one singular piece of hardware seamlessly!
Touchpad is useless technology why on pc you still have your mouse always connected. You people want to pay more for shit youll never use no wonder games sell for $80 a pop now and come severely unfinished, untested and unpolished. Youll just pay for anything
@@twiztedclown you assuming a lot bro. Plus if the control had a touchpad that acted as a mouse I could literally use the controller to control the pc out of game. How is that too much
I used to think I enjoyed the Xbox series two paddles but I got a dual sense pro controller with buttons and loved it more. Then I got my scuf envision pro and the finger layout for the buttons are so similar but it’s even more comfortable to me. U have to have the right finger and hand position. Also these paddles are the most responsive I have tried. Most paddles or buttons I have used don’t feel good or have a delay *edit I forgot one important thing for me. I have small hands but on the first two paddles on the back, if the groove was wide it would be game changing it’s a bit too sharp but I’m used to it
I feel that man; I had a slight adjustment period to learn the paddle layout for the scuf but like you said I’m so used to it now it’s not even an issue. They are super responsive with the mouse click and are the least mushy of the paddles I’ve ever used. Top paddles are a little bit nubby but with a slight redesign it would be a perfect controller for ergonomics.
Thx for doing a review. After getting a steamdeck ive been looking for controler with remappable button insted of the mouse and keyboard. I was looking at this and the wolverine v2
Of course bro glad the review helped! I’ve been very happy with my Scuf so far. It’s been close to a full year and I had no major issues. A few times here and there the iCue software crashed but it has been flawless since the recent update tbh. I haven’t looked much into the wolverine v2 but seems like a viable contender. Lmk which one you end up grabbing. Thanks for the comment!
Last scuff had was Vantage 1 to just non stop vibrate no function at all Warranty means nothing to them bc they said we don't support that Vantage 1 anymore even though still under warranty. Last scuff ever wanted to touch but this being the only damn Controller with SAX buttons which have become a 100% must need now. No console controller with then now I don't get it but looking into this 1 despite all complaints on the Icue w.e. program
Honestly man I feel you big time, the vantage 1 is the only other Scuf controller I ever used and it was the intro to sax buttons but dude seriously, so hard to not have them now it feels like a must. Despite all the complaints the internet through out there the controller has treated me very well. I ain’t sponsored by Scuf or anything so I owe them no kind words. The controller is nice; when I first got it iCue was kinda buggy but now it have zero complaints; it doesn’t close out on me or anything like that. All my programming works for keybinds and the build quality for my controller has been holding up. Some people have issues with triggers not working or drift. I can’t speak to those issues luckily but just like you man I took that risk and was happy with my purchase.
@@pizzaxavi when did this come out? I'm wondering if I should wait for maybe envision 2 if ever one. Don't wana get this then something happen in a year. Then tell me can't fix because they don't support / have parts anymore. (Because they moved to next new one.) It's troubling when even under warranty most likely won't cover it after a year or new controller they make comes. Trying envision 2 pro at best buy it felt better than any controller ever. Not hard to push back buttons with pinky like was with Xbox elite controller for Xbox 1. Thank you though really need some true honest feedback especially from non Scuff fans like me thanks to their warranty issue. Never had issue with Vantage 1 never dropped it. Then 1 day plug in non stops vibrates. Can't do anything about it. Might wait till next yr when the rtx 5090 comes so can get a custom PC from Origin when they release n maybe by then be envision 2. Or might just get now to play on wifes laptop but only rtx 2080
Dang man that’s rough; seems like the comments are kinda split. Luckily in my case I haven’t had any mechanical issues. Only thing is the detail on the grips on the back of the controller is eating away from use a little. Also my white faceplate is starting to brown slightly from the oils on my hands after about 3 months of use.
You play helldivers too!!!!! I have questions 1. Can i use the g keys to program the 2 buttons in the middle of the controller? Like in xbox beside the logo you have those 2 buttons or in ps5
Yeaaaahhhhh buddy! Fellow helldiver for sure. To answer your question though no you can’t program the “start/share” buttons like the shoulders, paddles and g keys could be programmed.
can you set macro to a g key , for example, if i wanna set a l3+ r3 button press to a g key, is it possible? also once you set the g key, would they without the icue software? i like the shoulder buttons and the paddles, was hoping this would be a good control for my steam deck
YES! iCue allows for the G-Keys, Shoulders and Rear Paddles to be reprogrammed to anything you can think of. Macros work, Keystrokes work, you could even do things like launch apps and mute microphones. The only things that are NOT reprogrammable on the Envision pro is the standard face buttons. (ABXY/START/PAUSE/D-PAD/THUMBSTICK CLICKS) can not be reprogrammed. They will also continue to work so long as you saved the bindings to your controllers on board memory. Your allowed 3 savable profiles to swap between on the fly.
@@kevincampos6394 I love the mini stream deck options on the controller. I got mine at Best Buy too cause the return policy is really good there and made me feel better about spending the money on the controller knowing if anything happens I can return it for another one.
I found ICUE 5 genuinely unuseable wouldn't start whatever I did I'm familiar with ICUE 4 as I've been using the Corsair K100 and Virtuoso XT for like 3 years now but ICUE 5 has never worked for me even when I tried to update to it before the controller was even out.
Yeah tbh this is my first experience with iCue as a whole and seems like I’ve entered at the wrong time 😅 I don’t know why some updates fail to install I’m also still having that problem and it’s frustrating but at least in my case it hasn’t hindered my experience with the control. All its functions still work no problem so I hope that stays the case for me.
I’m not positive as far as exact speeds but I do a input test on a new vs older Scuf controller in this video if that helps. Brand New vs Year Old! [Side by Side Scuf Envision Pro Review 2024] ua-cam.com/video/XFRPDP3jHwk/v-deo.html
I heard other people saying they had a pop off shot too lol One thing you can do to remedy it is make sure your trigger deadzones in iCue aren’t too low. Under the triggers tab there’s a spider bar to adjust the input for the trigger. With them being in mouse click mode it’s easy for that trigger to go off so play with that sensitivity and you should be all good.
i dont think anyone here will be using the pro simply because it contains a battery, input lag aside, at least on pc there is no benefit from using wireless hardware unless you move around a lot while using, or use your desktop as a living room device.
@pizzaxavi exactly, and im happy that such a high end controller has something for both sides, because i definitely understand the appeal of wireless, lol im just a bit of a freak for performance myself
Yeah man there definitely is a way, but that’s big cheating in CoD to use it that way. Just have to mess with the delay times in the macro settings. Don’t get banned though.
Kontrol Freeks does work. Ps4/ps5 ones. i’ve the scuf envision pro. i bought it a couple of months ago but i can’t get used to it. so i just packed it and kept it. i try to use it sometimes but its not just for me lol. i’m looking for someone to give it to but i haven’t found any yet. if you want it or know anyone that do wants this please LMK. i can send it to them for free. this isn’t a scam comment. i’ve a lot of custom controllers. i currently use the Vader v3 pro so i don’t really need the scuf Edit: they don’t need to pay me anything or send me any money btw. they can just pay to the logistics company and have them pick it up from my place and deliver to them
@@elijnr ahhh man that’s a shame that it doesn’t work well for you. I’m definitely trying to get more into the custom control scene and the Vader V3 Pro is a awesome one too. I can definitely make use of your other Scuf if you truly don’t want it. If I don’t put it to use I can give it to my brother who has been looking for a second hand one. If you want send me a private message either here or on Instagram and we could talk more about it. My IG is PizzaXavi as well. Appreciate the comments and the input on the controllers.
Here is my thing for the price of this controller scuff could have went with hall effect modules and triggers especially for a 200$ price tag that is why I'm sticking to aim controllers until scuff can step up the quality of eternal parts
I hear that man; I never tried aim controllers but they do look super worth the price point with all the amount of customizations that could go on with it. Definitely wish they put some Hall effects in this scuf since it’s become more and more common of a feature in 3rd party controls but the main selling point was the G-Keys for me on this control. It’s like having a stream deck and a controller all in one. It peaked my interest and I’m not upset with scuf for it. I think if I’m the future they workout the software issues rework the shape of the paddles a bit and throw some Hall effects in here it would be a close to perfect control in my opinion. I want to look more into Aim Controllers now too though thanks for the heads up.
@@pizzaxavi hey anytime I own a envision pro myself I probably owned every controller on the market as im an og gamer and I'll say this I love the envision pro I already run icue sense my PC is a full Corsair build anyways so I haven't personally had any issues with with that software at all but I will say aim controllers is hands down one of the best pro controllers out on the market right and if you do ever want to get a aim controller use my homies code to get a nice chunk dropped from the price the code is " KAPZ " And that will bring the price to a way more affordable number 😁 you definitely won't be disappointed in the aim hall effect controller but the envision pro controller is definitely a very nice PC controller and with the just a few minor upgrades the envision would be my top pro controller out on the market today
I have to say, the Elite series 2 paddles are far beyond better than the Envision pro, I stopped using the paddles on the pro because it was a lil too out of reach and a Nunsense to try and use.
people moan about iCue but its never given me an issue. Have my mouse and RGB ram controls, and soon to have the envision. No issues here. There are far worse bloatware's for peripherals out there.
Same for me! Idk if it’s a batch issue with some of the controllers or something but I have had minimal issues with iCue. There is a new update for the controllers firmware so I’m going to make a new video and see if the update fixes anything or just bricks my controller like others are saying. Wish me luck!
Thanks for comparing your experiences, i was able to relate 1. Back buttons - thank you for bringing this up, we have the same problem 2. X button and emptyvspace: i dont think this will be a problem for me since i use an xbox controller but great comparison
Yeah the smaller paddles seem almost designed for one finger at a time; if you got one finger on both paddles back there you could like click upwards and downwards pretty comfortably but for myself I like having one finger each paddle and that kind of makes it a little cramped back there at first.
I’d have to agree with you man! The controller is on the smaller side at least for the paddles and the grips themselves. The DS5 grips fit nicer in hand as well as give more paddle room even with after market attachments
Am I the only one who feels like this controller is a little bit uncomfortable to play with compared to my regular ps5 controller. Like the scuff is a bit bigger
Nah; I felt weird transferring over too at first. Even though thumbstick placement is the same the control in hands feels a little more snub on the grips compare to the DS5. I think its more of a xbox style body feel with DS5 thumbstick orientation.
mappings come and go as they please, rt works wired but not wirelessly, loses connection ALL the time while gaming... and it relies on icue to work, pure garbage! dont waste your money on this
Dang dude sorry to hear you got a bad one. I was much harsher in my 1 year update video but I personally can’t speak for the mappings messing up or there being much of a difference between wired or wireless.
They never done me wrong; until they stopped clicking and I had to gaf tape mine to get them to register again. Zoom in and you can see them in the video LOL
@@daddydollabill5102 you ever try back buttons? Like battle beaver or the envision. Cus shit is 100 times better. You're able to actually grip the controller, rather than having your fingers floating over the paddles never being able to get an actual grip.
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The buttons are the back are close together because they’re designed to be used with one finger. I’m also used to using middle and ring finger, which is why I haven’t picked one up yet. This is designed to roll just your middle finger up for the top and down for the bottom.
Yeah I know the one finger design is a slight drawback but I’ve gotten used to it now with my grip. The one finger press only works in some cases sadly; fast movements and simultaneous commands like a jump to crouch slide feels hard to preform consistently with the single finger. Maybe some upgrades in the future for the envision 2?
I do like my reviews pretty raw, you are the guy for me!
Raw and real my boiiii 😏
If people are complaining about resources being used for the software while running rgb lights keyboard lights etc. People need to understand its time to update platform and ram. That will boost performance for the long run
My favorite review for this controller so far, imma buy one tonight on amazon
Yo man thank you! Means a lot; I’m new to these kinds of videos so I appreciate the feedback!
How is it?
@@blast8785 coming up just shy of a year with the controller. It’s still perfect and works flawlessly. Shoulder buttons are a game changer if you haven’t used them before.
@@pizzaxavi hows icue? I heard it crashes a lot
@@pizzaxavino stick drift?
I mean people leave Wallpaper engine on with multiple displays and they complain about the ICUE software 🤣 ps im waiting on mine and i have high expectations.
Lmfao seriously the same people prob drive around with 3 light warnings on their car dashboard.
When you get your scuf come back and let me know how you actually like it! I’ve been using mine to make macro key strings for hell diver 2 stratagems recently so expect that explanation video soon too.
Thanks for the comment bro. Really hope you like the control as much as me.
I'll keep in touch, thnx. Keep the content going man.
I just the Bought it! And This is Misleading and Miss Information!!!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE SOFTWARE RUNNING!!! You can quit the software and the controller runs AMAZING.. I’ve hear it all over the internet that the software needs to be running is a LIE! Best Controller out 2024 if u need help Dm here ASAP
@@J90.s Yeah it just needs to be running in the background for the g keys to function properly with other apps. If you have your profiles saved to your on board memory on the envision pro everything works fine as a videogame controller.
You can still have your g keys programmed for whatever inputs and key bindings to the on board memory and use it like that; but in my case I couldn’t control apps like my insta360 link software and OBS features without having the software running in the background minimized.
Glad you loving the controller though. I’ve been running it for like almost a year now and still have no regrets.
@@pizzaxavi nice! Idk I guess it all depends on the controller when buying it and where from some work with the software on some work with the software off! In my case I have all keys map even the gs key and game for about 12 hours a day and I never had a problem yet! I don’t need to have the software on ! Plus it adds delays to ur cpu more usage! I play Cod everyday I have no problem and the controller is so damn accurate. I will make a video soon. Hope it goes well with you but the controller is A 1 💯 Best out now!
Great video! Helped me make my decision on the controller. Support and love from London.
Thanks brother! Appreciate the support and comment! Shout out London 🏴
The software uses alot of power when u equip murals and other stuff i had done that and figured out the hard way
Yeah it does use more of your resources, it’s essentially playing a video on loop over and over on your controller. It looks cool but not really the best use of your CPU.
@@pizzaxavi thats what i said??
@@Gn_wish I know; I’m just agree with you.
Best review ive seen of this controller , thank you. I feel like the instinct pro is best for my use in halo infinite.
Thanks man appreciate the feedback foreal! The instinct pro is an awesome platform. Super comfortable.
@@pizzaxavi my only concern is the inevitable stick drift . Seems like theirs technology combating this but I'm not sure it's present in this or the instinct. Can I just change the thumbstick and it go away will I need to send it in?
Very well spoken and learned a lot. Thanks for the review bro!
Heck yeah man! Appreciate the feedback homie! 🫡
The fact this uses the PlayStation/Straight analog position is what's selling it to me, I primarily use the Dpad for most of my games, so this configuration has become my favourite.
I appreciate the review, out of all the controllers for my PC, this is the one that's calling my attention the most...
The other issue I have is the "SAX" buttons, their position is outright stupid.
If they could add them like Razer adds some extra buttons around the triggers, this controller will up some points.
Honestly I was into it for the same reasons, I prefer the straight analog position. I thought that the sax buttons were placed in a weird spot before actually getting some hands on time with the controller. I never accidentally hit them (probably did like 2-3 times) but not as intrusive as they seem. I honestly really enjoy the location of them now but with that being said I never tried any of the Razer controller button layout
Great review man! So overall would you recommend the upgrade from the Xbox Elite Series 2?
Yeah man I honestly would. My only original complaint was the size of the paddles but I quickly got adjusted to the feel coming from the Series 2 to the Envision Pro. Now I really got used to the shoulder buttons and use them way more than I anticipated.
@@pizzaxavi good man thanks for the reply. I think I’ll follow your advice and make the change. I have to get rid of the Xbox elite anyway because the bumpers have stopped working!
@@hutch3459 dude that was my same issue, I ended up pulling the controller apart a few times and “fixing” them (there are these tiny plastic shims under the bumpers actuators and they are so flimsy they stop making contact and end up missing inputs.) if you haven’t tried pulling it apart it’s worth a shot if anything. It got me a couple more months out of it before it started acting weird again so I caved and got the Scuf
@@pizzaxavi hahaha I’ve had to do that too, I’m having to do it every few days now with a tiny screwdriver to push it up and I’ve just had enough of it! Time to put my hand in my pocket
hey bro i just picked it up this and im tryin to learn to play with it. Just wanted to say that i agree with you about the pads on the back needing to be a little more spaced out for both fingers.
Yeah for people like me coming from the Elite Series 2 it feels a little weird at first if you like resting all four fingers on the paddles. I feel like it was designed with the idea of only having one finger on the paddles at a time. If you rest just your middle finger on the P1 and P4 paddles you could use that middle finger to either apply upwards pressure to hit P2 and P3 or downwards pressure to hit P1 or P4.
The input honestly feels smooth and easy to hit the buttons when you use them that way but its not ideal for certain games with movement like apex legends where holding your toggle crouch down (P3) and jumping (P4) is needed simultaneously; all four fingers on the paddle work better for games like that compared to more straight forward game inputs where you don't need multiple inputs going on with the paddles at once.
Thanks for the comment, hope you adjust quickly like I did.
I use just my middle finger n slide it up n down to press the paddles
With the Sax u can just use just 1 set back behind to make it easier
Last scuff had was Vantage 1 to just non stop vibrate no function at all Warranty means nothing to them bc they said we don't support that Vantage 1 anymore even though still under warranty. Last scuff ever wanted to touch but this being the only damn Controller with SAX buttons which have become a 100% must need now. No console controller with then now I don't get it but looking into this 1 despite all complaints on the Icue w.e. program
i'll be getting mine in 4 days but i am already very satisfied with it because the other option is a broken DS4 which has it's own will :)
Lmfao that was my feelings coming from my broken Elite series 2 which left bumper would activate whenever it wanted to 🥲 I’m still happy with my purchase. The Envision has done me only good so far.
I’ve had mine since Christmas and the left trigger broke, when I press it once it’ll actually be pressed multiple times. I only use mouse click triggers so that could be what caused it, but I feel like 5 months for a high end controller to be unusable is not okay. It is covered under warranty tho so I’m getting it repaired for free, it’s just an annoyance. Has anyone else ran into this issue or did I just likely have a defective model?
Dang man sorry to hear about the malfunction; I haven’t had that issue at all (or yet lol) I also only use the hair triggers but yeah totally agree with you 5 months too soon for stuff like that to happen. How was the customer service experience cause I heard that dealing with Scuf could go either or sometimes.
@@pizzaxavi the only interaction I had with support was them approving my request, the process to get my controller repaired was pretty easy. I just filled out a form with my order # and the Scuf seal of approval number (which is the controller serial number) and they emailed me, approving my repair request within an hour of submitting the form. I just shipped the controller out today so if I remember, I’ll come back to let you know how long it takes for them to repair and send back my controller
@@pizzaxavi controller came back like 5 days ago so it took about two weeks for them to repair and send it back, not too bad
@@MugiwaraReilly love to hear it man! Thanks for the update foreal! Good stuff to know.
Hate iCue, I got rid of everything Corsair bar my PSU so that I didn’t have to run it. Wish they gave the controller on board storage
Dang man that's rough, yeah iCue been doing some people dirty but have yet to wrong me. I just filmed another update video regarding firmware 0.14.62 and haven't had any issues at all. Praying it stays that way.
great video bro thinking of getting one today
Nice man! I really enjoy mine. I hope it’s the same for you if you get your hands on one!
I ended up returning mine because it would constantly lose its configuration even if iCue was open. Seems like if the PC went to sleep, the controller would stop working properly. I would have to reboot to get it to work again. But it would just fail again a soon as the PC went to sleep. Did this get fixed?
I’m going to film a video later about the newest firmware update that was release yesterday! I had minimal issues with the software in the past but people have said more recent updates “bricked” the controller.
I’m going to make a new video and see if the update fixes anything or just bricks my controller like others are saying. Wish me luck!
@pizzaxavi when it worked, I loved it. I hope they get it figured out.
@@waynegriffith yeah man I hope it just gets better from this update forward. The control and hardware feels great just the software needs some attention.
@@pizzaxavidid they fix the issue bro ?
@@2buckgeo843 Yo all honesty I only had two disconnects since the last update but it was after my computer went to sleep from being AFK; once I reopened the software they connected again right away
Let’s go I definitely agree with you I wish the next model has a touchpad and then scuff could have the face plates with a touchpad cutout.
Scuff if you combined this controller with the original scuff vantage 1 for ps4 that would be basically the perfect controller.
Bring back the touch pad and audio Touch Bar!!
Also add a psychical profile switch on the back for ultimate customization!
That would enable 2X Times the functionality of the G keys without having to pause your game and go into icue
…unless you can program a g key to switch profiles ? Not sure if that’s possible
Dude couldn’t have said it any more accurate. The Vantage 1 went crazy and had those long paddles on the back that were still super low profile.
That would be the perfect hybrid of comfort and utility. The touch pad would be a huge bonus for PC users cause then you can navigate your whole PC with one singular piece of hardware seamlessly!
Touchpad is useless technology why on pc you still have your mouse always connected. You people want to pay more for shit youll never use no wonder games sell for $80 a pop now and come severely unfinished, untested and unpolished. Youll just pay for anything
@@twiztedclown you assuming a lot bro.
Plus if the control had a touchpad that acted as a mouse I could literally use the controller to control the pc out of game. How is that too much
I used to think I enjoyed the Xbox series two paddles but I got a dual sense pro controller with buttons and loved it more. Then I got my scuf envision pro and the finger layout for the buttons are so similar but it’s even more comfortable to me. U have to have the right finger and hand position. Also these paddles are the most responsive I have tried. Most paddles or buttons I have used don’t feel good or have a delay
*edit I forgot one important thing for me. I have small hands but on the first two paddles on the back, if the groove was wide it would be game changing it’s a bit too sharp but I’m used to it
I feel that man; I had a slight adjustment period to learn the paddle layout for the scuf but like you said I’m so used to it now it’s not even an issue. They are super responsive with the mouse click and are the least mushy of the paddles I’ve ever used. Top paddles are a little bit nubby but with a slight redesign it would be a perfect controller for ergonomics.
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🫡 Learning the game from the best ^
Thx for doing a review. After getting a steamdeck ive been looking for controler with remappable button insted of the mouse and keyboard. I was looking at this and the wolverine v2
Of course bro glad the review helped! I’ve been very happy with my Scuf so far. It’s been close to a full year and I had no major issues. A few times here and there the iCue software crashed but it has been flawless since the recent update tbh. I haven’t looked much into the wolverine v2 but seems like a viable contender. Lmk which one you end up grabbing. Thanks for the comment!
Last scuff had was Vantage 1 to just non stop vibrate no function at all Warranty means nothing to them bc they said we don't support that Vantage 1 anymore even though still under warranty. Last scuff ever wanted to touch but this being the only damn Controller with SAX buttons which have become a 100% must need now. No console controller with then now I don't get it but looking into this 1 despite all complaints on the Icue w.e. program
Honestly man I feel you big time, the vantage 1 is the only other Scuf controller I ever used and it was the intro to sax buttons but dude seriously, so hard to not have them now it feels like a must. Despite all the complaints the internet through out there the controller has treated me very well. I ain’t sponsored by Scuf or anything so I owe them no kind words. The controller is nice; when I first got it iCue was kinda buggy but now it have zero complaints; it doesn’t close out on me or anything like that. All my programming works for keybinds and the build quality for my controller has been holding up. Some people have issues with triggers not working or drift. I can’t speak to those issues luckily but just like you man I took that risk and was happy with my purchase.
@@pizzaxavi when did this come out? I'm wondering if I should wait for maybe envision 2 if ever one. Don't wana get this then something happen in a year. Then tell me can't fix because they don't support / have parts anymore. (Because they moved to next new one.) It's troubling when even under warranty most likely won't cover it after a year or new controller they make comes. Trying envision 2 pro at best buy it felt better than any controller ever. Not hard to push back buttons with pinky like was with Xbox elite controller for Xbox 1.
Thank you though really need some true honest feedback especially from non Scuff fans like me thanks to their warranty issue.
Never had issue with Vantage 1 never dropped it. Then 1 day plug in non stops vibrates. Can't do anything about it.
Might wait till next yr when the rtx 5090 comes so can get a custom PC from Origin when they release n maybe by then be envision 2. Or might just get now to play on wifes laptop but only rtx 2080
I’ve got stick drift on right stick after 2 weeks owning it…
Dang man that’s rough; seems like the comments are kinda split. Luckily in my case I haven’t had any mechanical issues. Only thing is the detail on the grips on the back of the controller is eating away from use a little. Also my white faceplate is starting to brown slightly from the oils on my hands after about 3 months of use.
Manufacturer warranty should cover that i think? It comes with one year
You play helldivers too!!!!! I have questions
1. Can i use the g keys to program the 2 buttons in the middle of the controller? Like in xbox beside the logo you have those 2 buttons or in ps5
Yeaaaahhhhh buddy! Fellow helldiver for sure. To answer your question though no you can’t program the “start/share” buttons like the shoulders, paddles and g keys could be programmed.
@@pizzaxavi damn its kinda annoying i have to remove my finger from the thumbsticks so i can open the map. thanks man great review
@@cyberbogart claw that finger over from the trigger or maybe you can use a shoulder button to keybind the input from your keyboard instead.
can you set macro to a g key , for example, if i wanna set a l3+ r3 button press to a g key, is it possible? also once you set the g key, would they without the icue software? i like the shoulder buttons and the paddles, was hoping this would be a good control for my steam deck
YES! iCue allows for the G-Keys, Shoulders and Rear Paddles to be reprogrammed to anything you can think of. Macros work, Keystrokes work, you could even do things like launch apps and mute microphones. The only things that are NOT reprogrammable on the Envision pro is the standard face buttons. (ABXY/START/PAUSE/D-PAD/THUMBSTICK CLICKS) can not be reprogrammed.
They will also continue to work so long as you saved the bindings to your controllers on board memory. Your allowed 3 savable profiles to swap between on the fly.
Dope might go to best buy n give it a shot. Love my scuf for my ps5 so was looking for something similar for my steam deck
@@kevincampos6394 I love the mini stream deck options on the controller. I got mine at Best Buy too cause the return policy is really good there and made me feel better about spending the money on the controller knowing if anything happens I can return it for another one.
I found ICUE 5 genuinely unuseable wouldn't start whatever I did I'm familiar with ICUE 4 as I've been using the Corsair K100 and Virtuoso XT for like 3 years now but ICUE 5 has never worked for me even when I tried to update to it before the controller was even out.
Yeah tbh this is my first experience with iCue as a whole and seems like I’ve entered at the wrong time 😅 I don’t know why some updates fail to install I’m also still having that problem and it’s frustrating but at least in my case it hasn’t hindered my experience with the control. All its functions still work no problem so I hope that stays the case for me.
@@pizzaxavi Hey if it works for you no harm no foul right.
In order to update firmware try plugging the usb cable in. Good review
Yes! All updates need the cable to be connected in order to work. Thank you.
Great video man
Thanks homie!
Which thumb stick grips did you get for it exactly? Next time drop an Amazon link so you get that referral money
I gotchu! I’m dropping the link in the description as well, I meant to do that and forgot.
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Is the wireless mode the same input speed as wired?
I’m not positive as far as exact speeds but I do a input test on a new vs older Scuf controller in this video if that helps.
Brand New vs Year Old! [Side by Side Scuf Envision Pro Review 2024]
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JUST INSTALLED MINE, KINDA WEIRD BUT IT WILL POP OFF A RANDOM SHOT WHEN YOU'RE NOT PULLING TRIGGER
I heard other people saying they had a pop off shot too lol One thing you can do to remedy it is make sure your trigger deadzones in iCue aren’t too low. Under the triggers tab there’s a spider bar to adjust the input for the trigger. With them being in mouse click mode it’s easy for that trigger to go off so play with that sensitivity and you should be all good.
i dont think anyone here will be using the pro simply because it contains a battery, input lag aside, at least on pc there is no benefit from using wireless hardware unless you move around a lot while using, or use your desktop as a living room device.
I just hate wires more than input lag so the pro is for me.
@pizzaxavi exactly, and im happy that such a high end controller has something for both sides, because i definitely understand the appeal of wireless, lol im just a bit of a freak for performance myself
Is there a way to set up a rapid fire macro that works for CoD?
Yeah man there definitely is a way, but that’s big cheating in CoD to use it that way. Just have to mess with the delay times in the macro settings. Don’t get banned though.
Any idea if Kontrol Freeks work on this, or is it proprietary?
Nah to my knowledge the Scuf Envision is the only product that works for the iCue software.
Kontrol Freeks does work. Ps4/ps5 ones. i’ve the scuf envision pro. i bought it a couple of months ago but i can’t get used to it. so i just packed it and kept it. i try to use it sometimes but its not just for me lol. i’m looking for someone to give it to but i haven’t found any yet. if you want it or know anyone that do wants this please LMK. i can send it to them for free. this isn’t a scam comment. i’ve a lot of custom controllers. i currently use the Vader v3 pro so i don’t really need the scuf
Edit: they don’t need to pay me anything or send me any money btw. they can just pay to the logistics company and have them pick it up from my place and deliver to them
@@elijnr ahhh man that’s a shame that it doesn’t work well for you. I’m definitely trying to get more into the custom control scene and the Vader V3 Pro is a awesome one too.
I can definitely make use of your other Scuf if you truly don’t want it. If I don’t put it to use I can give it to my brother who has been looking for a second hand one. If you want send me a private message either here or on Instagram and we could talk more about it. My IG is PizzaXavi as well.
Appreciate the comments and the input on the controllers.
@@pizzaxavi yes i am. i just sent you a private instagram DM. waiting for you to accept
Are scuf vision pro is in philipines to or not plsss in philipines to
Google says that Scuf ships globally to all countries except Afghanistan so you should be good!
Here is my thing for the price of this controller scuff could have went with hall effect modules and triggers especially for a 200$ price tag that is why I'm sticking to aim controllers until scuff can step up the quality of eternal parts
I hear that man; I never tried aim controllers but they do look super worth the price point with all the amount of customizations that could go on with it. Definitely wish they put some Hall effects in this scuf since it’s become more and more common of a feature in 3rd party controls but the main selling point was the G-Keys for me on this control. It’s like having a stream deck and a controller all in one. It peaked my interest and I’m not upset with scuf for it. I think if I’m the future they workout the software issues rework the shape of the paddles a bit and throw some Hall effects in here it would be a close to perfect control in my opinion.
I want to look more into Aim Controllers now too though thanks for the heads up.
@@pizzaxavi hey anytime I own a envision pro myself I probably owned every controller on the market as im an og gamer and I'll say this I love the envision pro I already run icue sense my PC is a full Corsair build anyways so I haven't personally had any issues with with that software at all but I will say aim controllers is hands down one of the best pro controllers out on the market right and if you do ever want to get a aim controller use my homies code to get a nice chunk dropped from the price the code is " KAPZ " And that will bring the price to a way more affordable number 😁 you definitely won't be disappointed in the aim hall effect controller but the envision pro controller is definitely a very nice PC controller and with the just a few minor upgrades the envision would be my top pro controller out on the market today
HE sticks doesn’t mean it’s better
@@nazarethproductions7095 yes it does he stick are far superior in every way especially in competitive fps play 🤷🏾♂️
I have to say, the Elite series 2 paddles are far beyond better than the Envision pro, I stopped using the paddles on the pro because it was a lil too out of reach and a Nunsense to try and use.
Dude I feel you I wish I could rip the elite series 2 paddles off and use them on the pro envision.
No stick drift?
Not yet homie! I’ll let you know. Maybe making an update video soon just to bring up some new points.
Great video too man
Thanks for the feedback too man I appreciate it. New to making these types of videos and glad they’re helping.
people moan about iCue but its never given me an issue. Have my mouse and RGB ram controls, and soon to have the envision. No issues here. There are far worse bloatware's for peripherals out there.
Same for me! Idk if it’s a batch issue with some of the controllers or something but I have had minimal issues with iCue.
There is a new update for the controllers firmware so I’m going to make a new video and see if the update fixes anything or just bricks my controller like others are saying. Wish me luck!
Thanks for comparing your experiences, i was able to relate
1. Back buttons - thank you for bringing this up, we have the same problem
2. X button and emptyvspace: i dont think this will be a problem for me since i use an xbox controller but great comparison
Yeah the smaller paddles seem almost designed for one finger at a time; if you got one finger on both paddles back there you could like click upwards and downwards pretty comfortably but for myself I like having one finger each paddle and that kind of makes it a little cramped back there at first.
good controller but anyone with smaller hands will struggle using the paddles and i recommend a ps5 custom pad
I’d have to agree with you man! The controller is on the smaller side at least for the paddles and the grips themselves. The DS5 grips fit nicer in hand as well as give more paddle room even with after market attachments
Am I the only one who feels like this controller is a little bit uncomfortable to play with compared to my regular ps5 controller. Like the scuff is a bit bigger
Nah; I felt weird transferring over too at first. Even though thumbstick placement is the same the control in hands feels a little more snub on the grips compare to the DS5. I think its more of a xbox style body feel with DS5 thumbstick orientation.
Get this guy to 1k subs
🥲 Yes please
You look like a gamer
LOL, I like this both as a roast and a compliment 👍🏽
mappings come and go as they please, rt works wired but not wirelessly, loses connection ALL the time while gaming... and it relies on icue to work, pure garbage! dont waste your money on this
Dang dude sorry to hear you got a bad one. I was much harsher in my 1 year update video but I personally can’t speak for the mappings messing up or there being much of a difference between wired or wireless.
Don't give it to me raw bro.
Good video though
LOL I’m sorry bro but I had been given!
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You have 3?
Bro said touch pad
Bro said green fedora
Softaware is shit, trigger stops are shit they stop working very soon, deadzones always change, software is shit, software is shit
why are you lying
Are you trying to Saboteur me?
I have this controlller and threw it in the trash the software is a joke and controller sticks are bs
Damn man that’s rough, sorry to hear yours didn’t work? Did you legit throw it in the trash? Lol do you still got that trash? Send me the trash……
Holy shit elite paddles are dogshit
They never done me wrong; until they stopped clicking and I had to gaf tape mine to get them to register again. Zoom in and you can see them in the video LOL
They’re the best back paddles for any pro controller and it ain’t a debate. Plus the Scuf elite 2 paddles make them unmatched
@@daddydollabill5102 you ever try back buttons? Like battle beaver or the envision. Cus shit is 100 times better.
You're able to actually grip the controller, rather than having your fingers floating over the paddles never being able to get an actual grip.
@@MuseR. I’ve tried the envision but wasn’t to big a fan because they get stick drift easily and the software wasn’t working