Gil's Arena Debates The Greatest Scorer In NBA History
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Gil's Arenas Debates The Greatest Scorer In NBA History as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew ERUPT Debating who is the NBA's greatest scorer of all time between NBA Legends like Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, and Kobe Bryant. They also examine the modern NBA
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I’m convinced a lot of NBA players did not watch basketball growing up. Young Ray Allen was indeed a scorer
Made a whole movie of him getting buckets...
Someone tried to tell me he was a shooter lol 😂 he used to dunk on mfs and he did the dunk contest ray was a scorer before lebron as love was as Mike miller as korver as ad as Bosh as Wade let’s quit the bs . Melo got every offensive skill
He was a scorer but not the best ever. That list is very small.
Facts, he was an elite scorer at that.
Facts everyone just zoned in on Lebron and curry. Ray Allen , T-Mac , AI, Kobe , Vince, Rashad Lewis in Seattle, the list continues
Don’t forget lebron averaged 37 PPG against McCants
I can’t be the only one who thinks this is tired by now 😴
Don’t change the fact that he’s right about his debates about lebron
@@josepharellano3975
How?
@@MaxWhite718 don’t care
@@josepharellano3975 no it’s his OPINION lmaooo
Curry is actually the most efficient scorer in modern NBA history. Check the stats. He has the greatest EFG for a 30pt score in history
Thank you...
The spacing makes it easier to score. Stats are just stats.
@@jamondallen4508 still gotta put the ball in the hoop though
@@hakeemwoodards5569 exactly. Stats are always "just stats" when they don't agree wit your point
@@ephraimlatson lol I concur
Love how Brandon Jennings always shows love to Monta Ellis
Maybe because they were both cooked by D Wade after they said they were better than wade haha
was lookin for this. still one of my fav players
Jackson Ms we here
Pause
He gets over looked way too much Monta was a straight up bucket
Curry is such an AMAZING shooter that it completely fucks up basketball conversations lmaooo that man different.
He isn't that amazing of a shooter.
@@penkima4923oh god you’re special
@@Slime5ea5on Well, Steph is not.
@@penkima4923so who would you consider a shooter
@@shaquilhoskins3078 Steph is a shooter. Just an overrated one. More than half of his shots are threes, so he's definitely a shooter. Steph isn't a scorer, as in shot-creator. His shot mechanics are too clunky, and he shoots from a too low elevation, for him to reliably get his shot off versus decent on-ball defense. He requires picks or a series of picks and offensive movement to get his shot off. The Warriors has probably the most elaborate offensive scheme ever, intended to get Steph open for a shot. That's with Klay assigned on the point guard on defense, and drawing defense on the offense. And Dray acting as the playcaller, and at times setting screens.
Steph is a good driver of the basketball, but rarely does drive. In clutch time Steph has never driven to the basket, but always settled for the three. And that three has never fallen in. The olympic final is the only clutch moment Steph has in his career. More than 5 years past his prime. Steph is a regular season shooter. And some sort of bad scoring option in the playoffs.
MJ records as a scorer
-Most Scoring Titles ever (10)
-Most ppg regular season (30)
-Most ppg playoffs (33)
-Most points scored in a single playoff game (63)
-Most points scored in a single playoff run (759)
-Most ppg in a final series (41)
Just to name the most important ones, the only one could be up there is Wilt but old school is forgotten
Yes wilt is forgotten....as will the illegal defense era that just forced 1v1 in the post as the best real only option..eventually
Kobe kd better scorers
@@darkswaggboss9059 then why didn't they break those records?
lol yea but against unathletic shooting guards. It’s not as impressive when the competition is not as good. Like getting va scoring title is cool but against part time truck drivers takes the shine away a bit
lol Harden averaged more than 30 per game
Saying Steph not a scorer not a bucket getter wtf 😂😭😭😭😂
Steph literally the posterchild of scorefirst points
@@S3verusMyGI think people need to rewatch Curry’s 2014-2015 & 2015-2016 highlights.
Dude was a nightmare .
@@felix3033All they have to do is go back to the Olympics bro and see how he can get a bucket under clutch situations, 2021 when he won his SECOND SCORING TITLE, or how about his 2022 championship with Andrew Wiggins as his 2nd best player? 😂 They just don’t like Steph, and simply try to justify not choosing him.
Yea saying Steph is just a shooter at this point of time just shows they only watch certain people.
He's a shooter.
Kobe was a scorer....he got buckets EVERWHERE in EVERY WAY.
Outside.
Mid-range.
Attacking the rim.
Post-up.
Iso.
Pick and roll.
Free throw line.
Right hand.
Left hand.
Double-teamed.
It didn't matter.
Greatest scorer ever. Wardell is a shooter.
Carmelo Anthony in his prime was a mismatch for anybody just because of the simple fact that he was too fast for big men and he was too big for guards.
Even at the peak of his prime Carmelo couldn’t score 30 ppg in a season.
@@4a_atm yeah he still scored less points then LeBron and Kd in the same time period
@@jojo_ranjan 30ppg, as a lone statistic, doesn't hold much weight because there are a lot of factors in that. This discussion is more about HOW you score. There are players who scored 30ppg but 10ppg came from the free throw. Like James harden, in those 3 seasons he avg 30+ppg he was also leading the league in free throws. But then the league changed on how they were calling those ticky tack fouls, Harden hasn't avg even 25ppg since. Then you have Curry who was classified as just a pure shooter but he developed in to a more rounded scorer later on. With Melo, he already had essentially the "perfect" offensive game from the moment he stepped on the NBA floor. Same with a T-Mac, VC, PG, KD
They were a mismatch for him as well bc he never played defense nor did he pass the ball. Coaches would just shut melo down and be guaranteed a win. Send a double and he’s still shooting it.
@@jojo_ranjan
Scoring 30 points a game doesn't necessarily make you an elite score more than someone else who averaged 29. Lol
How is Steph not generational then lol we never seen someone shoot or change the game like curry and we always compare him to who’s bigger and more athletic than him 😭
Not a generational scorer. He’s a generational shooter.
@@TimmysHR shooting is scoring, so now generational shooter is thing ngls is clowns 💀
Melo, KD, Kobe, Jordan, Tmac, Allen Iverson are the greatest scorers in my life time.
Take away Melo, McGrasy and AI
@@hardwoodthought1213you crazy
Iverson was just a volume shooter. Not very efficient. Tmac and kobe weren't that much better.
@@tonywong8134 One Iverson had no one but him, Of course he gonna have alot of attempts and mediocre percentage.
Two. You have to understand that back in early 2000 spaces was tight as hell and mid range was heavily use. Most player back on the days from the perimeter had bad percentage.
@@kidmelo1994 he was not much better in Denver with carmleo and no hand checking
81 points and 63 in 3 quarters 12 straight games with 40 points
Lol kobe def one of best scorer. Esp wit those post shaq teams when teams knew only Kobe was scoring and he was still cooking
Right hand. Left hand.
@@lnapjr76with dogshit percentages
The goat and best scorer all time.
Kobe played in the special Olympics. 😂😂. LBJ WAS THE GREATEST ANYTHING 💪💪💪
The steph disrespect is crazy bro. They talking about steph need the bop bop bop dribble to score while James Harden just does the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂😂
or Kenyon doing the melo jab jab jab jab jab bop jab jab, it's the same thing yeah the Steph disrespect is wild
It's unreal to me as well. He's DEFINITELY a scorer. Shooting just happens to be his strong suit. You can't be just a shooter and average 30+. You gotta be scoring from all over. Steph does that with the best of them....
And does it in worse fashion lol James isn't even consistent throughout his career.
Exactly! Funny thing is, Steph doesn’t dribble half as much as Harden. 😂
your slow steph curry had screens nd another top 10 shooter of all time to distract defenses,james harden didn’t need screens
😂 they said Steph a shooter. Man got 2 30+ ppg scoring titles. He’s a whole lot more than a shooter.
he really is but Steph doesn't post! witch in my eyes disqualifies him from this conversation! greatest scorer means EVERYTHING!
Why would my 6'3 pg post up wings. They aren't putting guards on steph unless they big guards and they damn sure ain't trying to see him 1v1 their man
@@djadondaman17 idk ask him! I'm not an offense coordinator! but we are talking about the GRETEST SCORER and Steph DOES NOT post! I'm not saying he should! I'm saying the GREATEST scorer MEANS EVERY FACET!
@@jekubb4348 that’s true but his percentage at the rim is top 5 all time including big men. In a 15 year career, that’s an insane feat. But I agree he wouldn’t be the greatest scorer, that’s mj. He def should be mentioned tho.
@@NahFr7 is that true top 5? that's actually insane!
Removing LeBron from the conversation of greatest scorer has always been disingenuous for this reason: if you're talking about who can get two or three points by just simply getting the ball in the basket then yeah he's damn good at it
The scoring conversation got screwed up with people tried to combine actually scoring points with how pretty it looks lol
Bro people think melo is a better scorer than bron even tho they have the same amount of scoring titles and bron has more 30ppg seasons. Aesthetics really deceive a lot of people
or maybe because he shoots 36 pct outside the paint. 1 scoring title in 22 years.
@@MichiganHendoughok and what about the playoffs when he actually averages more?
It's about skill not points...if that was the case Wilt, Malone and Kareem would be consider better scorers ahead of Kobe and Jordan. LeBron is PROBABLY a top 15 scorer
He scores one way. Look at his career shot chart 75% of his points cane in the paint.
Kenyon said “KD scorer that can score an ah shooter that can shoot” everybody missed it 😅😅😅😂😂😂. 19:58
Gil be putting Steph on every thumbnail now cuz he know Steph bring views 😂
He dont like him
he did and interview with dude@@gdc6153
@@gdc6153he don’t like him? but interviewed him
So you really think Gil is out here uploading podcast videos himself?
@@gdc6153 but he still needs somebody to pay the bills
That curry disrespect is nuts
Everybody on that couch wish they was Steph
Curry is top 5 maybe 3. He just wasn't on team where he had to get 30 all the time same as Durant
Yall glaze Curry way too much. He is already the greatest shooter ever by a wide margin...how come that isn't enough? 🤦🏿♂️
Nah he just doesn’t come to mind when the word “scorer” comes up. I legit forgot about bro when I thought of my 5 (MJ,KD,Melo,Harden,AI)
Trae young a better scorer 😂 Gil crazy
Underrated scorer DROSE.. playing the point guard in HS made me watch every top point guard matchup during his mvp season and I hated him so much because he would score at will and make any defender look like a fool.
KD is only behind bron for most consecutive seasons averaging 25 put more respect on his name and the longevity
ONLY?????😂😂😂😂
🧢
@@Newportnews98it aint cap
@@Newportnews98it’s not cap bruh kd got 15 years straight over 25 bron at 20. Tf u saying “cap” let me know u really don’t appreciate greatness or u go off ur feelings
@@MrSjd1967maneeeeee lol they b talkin bout bron like he regular I don’t get it lol
Hell Yeah Lexie for mentioning Joe Johnson I don’t like that they brushed past it. 7x all star, all nba 3rd team and 20,000 points. ISO Joe come on y’all.
🔥 ISO Joe!!
Peers
We all know Joe is A Top 25 pure scorer ever
Off the dribble mid range iso Joe , but all time u gotta give it to Melo 😂
The Demar Derozen of his era
Joe Johnson doesn’t belong on the all time list
Gil really hates Steph huh? Swallow the pill Gil! Steph and Bron shared this era. Don’t worry bron still gonna love u.
How you can’t say Steph isn’t a scorer when he can score from everywhere on the floor
Bc his scoring is predicated off shooting primarily, which opens up the floor. He has to work to score one on one
@@Mister.Patterson thats not true, Steph is one of the fastest shooters ever and can shoot over double teams and Wemby
Meanwhile back in reality Steph is 8,084-17,098 2pt fg and 3,747-8805 3pt fg@@Mister.Patterson
@@Mister.PattersonEVERYONE HAS TO WORK TO SCORE GOOFY 😂
Because the game strategy around him isn’t to get Steph an isolation, one on one, that’s last resort. For scorers that’s first resort is get them on an island with their defender. Steph is such a great shooter that the strategy for him is to get him coming off of screens to get him as open as possible, you don’t want him to have to create in isolation. He’s a shooter first who can also score but he had to work on his iso game, he wasn’t as natural at that as he was just pure shooting even tho you couldn’t tell now.
How is curry not one of the best scorers. Isn't shooting a form of scoring. He doesn't just shoot threes, he got a mid range, he got a touch around the rim for his size, on and off ball movement, and he is last time I checked the leader in threes all time.
The Steph hate is real
They are haters. All of em. Gil is jealous because he wasn't half the shooter or player that Steph is. The show is designed to get clicks off Steph's name.
only that he doesnt score that much compared to other great scorers, clearly his shooting just isn't taking him there. in all time points (bron, kareem), points per game avg like MJ (higher than everyone ever)
Being the best shooter doesn't make you one of the best scorers lol...Steph doesn't hit 6,7,8 three's a game how many points does he score 15,16,17? He's the greatest shooter ever but he doesn't beat you in any other way...he's not one of the top 5-10 scorers ever but he's a scorer cause he can shoot it like no other
There is much more to being a scorer than shooting three's all game....
Bird was a scorer. He could light you up with 50-60 points on any given night.
Facts
Facts. Birds in my top 6 scorers with Jordan Kobe Curry Durant Melo.
TMac gave Kmart a 46pt triple double. NBATV just showed it Hardwood Classics. Nets vs Magic 2000 2001
I think KMart was trying to say that T-Mac wasn't initially thought of as a primary scorer, he was thought of more as a playmaker and defensive stopper, but that doesn't mean T-Mac wasn't also a natural scorer. That's just how gifted he was.
Why is this a debate , Mike got 10 scoring titles .. it’s a litteral award for scoring
@koachcarterfilms that’s because at some points who was his competition? Seriously. Nobody was scoring like Mike was cause half the players were on drugs and he was the leagues meal ticket and golden boy. They even said he started getting assists and rebounds that he didn’t even do because it made his image look even better.
@@kite36 They told me you retarded
@@kite36Man you better put down that pipe.
In 11 seasons no less.
He played in a centers league when 2g was the weakest position in the league
7:52 it’s because bron game is not fun to watch or special he just a extremely athletic, smart with perfect fundamentals
Ya'll straight trippin' if you're saying Steph's not a shooter & scorer..🤔 He's just as much a scorer as any of the players you're talking about..GTFOH🤬
Shooter. Not scorer.
Agree, he’s a scorer 💯💯💯.
Your a child if curry didn’t have screens and klay thompson(top 5 shooter of all time) he wouldn’t have as much success scoring
@@Tyler-ln6ig Facts
Jordan was such a good scorer he developed 2 ways to average 30. The 80s flying above rim and 90s fade away jumper
50% FG FOR A CAREER. THAT HIGHER THAN MJ.
@@coreythomas3633 100 percent in finals appearances if you go by percentages and their shooting percentage don't matter really they both basically made half there shots . Jordan shot outside more .
The logic is soooo weird. LeBron not considered a scorer simply because he wasn’t getting his points from jump shooting, but then Steph who is the best shooter of all time isn’t a scorer neither?????
Please make this make sense.
Yall need to define what yall mean by “scorer”, because it seems like yall just talking about isolation scoring.
Kobe. It isn’t close. Where is Cemetery Larry when you need him.
I'm convinced Gil is both jealous and doesn't watch Steph play. It's getting CRINGE him using Steph to get engagement.
He’s definitely jealous and he’s a cornball, he be capping and lying toooo much
K-mart is need in this Gil’s Arena Podcast
Him and BJ are personal friends with Curry and he says he’s a generational player (not TALENT) all the time. Take Kmart’s advice: Stop listening to respond and try listening to understand.
Why would Gil be jealous?..Players and real fans know that Gil was a problem.Just because you're jealous of Curry doesn't mean everyone else is
He hate Steph and Jordan if it ain’t what klutch told him to push
MJ
AI
Kobe
KD
Melo
Barkley
Paul Pierce
Kyrie
Harden
Gilnobli -Curry
Michael Jeffery Jordan is the greatest scorer ever PERIOD
MJ also averaged the most missed shots for 7 seasons. 🤷🏾♂️
@@BernardHenryMusicHe was still the top scorer in that times. And win 6 titles and 6 finals MVPs
He can’t shoot
@@leemcqueen500 you let me know when a player wins the finals by themselves. That's not relevant.
LeBron 50.6% on 19.6 attempts from the field and Jordan 49.7% on 22.9 attempts...if they attempt the same amount of shots their scoring would essentially be identical.
wilt avg 50 in a season 😂
30,000 pts-10,000 assist-10,000 rbs😂😂😂😂UG r absolutely right it’s very, very difficult to mimic (THAT).
All time turn over leader, soon to be most fgs missed leader, 6 finals loses, 2 bronze medals 😂😂😂 nobody trying to be like queen james the dude has a losing career
@@user-mv9dk4zb5c Mr.logo was 1-8 in NBA finals,LeBron has 3 Olympic gold medals,Kobe has the record for most missed FG….some people make their dislike for LeBron, expose them ignorance!!!!!
@user-mv9dk4zb5c its crazy how he's gonna have the most missed field goals ever and still shoots a better percentage from 2 and 3 than Kobe and Jordan
@@devantebrandon6304 💯🔥👍🏾……that’s insane 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stfu .. u hate a next man for no reason ..
I agree in a sense with them as Curry’s scoring mainly comes from his off ball movement. Acting within the flow of the offense, but it’s slanderous to say the Baby Face Assassin isn’t a Scorer.
Basically the players eligible are Elgin Baylor, Wilt, Ice Man, Alex English, Kareem, Larry, Jordan, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Grant Hill, Melo, KD, Kobe, Harden, Lebron after 2015, Paul Pierce, Dirk, Luka, Kyrie, Steph, Pistol Pete, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Vinny Johnson, Lillard, Embid
All these guys have an argument to be un-guard-able and the "best" get you a bucket player on their team at a given time and even in the league for one season.
I would add Bernard King to your list
@@timhodges3754 100 percent thank you
There criteria was 5 level scorers: At the rim(pause), freethrows, postgame, middy, 3pt. Alot of the guys you named not making this list. Imo the top 10
Jordan, Kobe, Durant, Tmac, Melo, Bird, Lebron, Dirk, Pierce, Kyrie (Embiid or Kawhi)
Adrian Dantley
@@dominiqueedwards2847 Adrian Dantley was a walking bucket. Bob McAdoo gets left out these conversations too. He was scoring champion for three consecutive years.
Brah… Steph has TWO Scoring titles.. come on now
Yes from just pure shooting lol not all around scoring and I love Steph, no hate. Steph is by far the greatest shooter EVER and it's not a debate
@@Darius_Icewood It would look that way only because Steph doesn’t need as many dribbles as Kyrie to get his shot off… that’s actually what makes Steph the greatest scoring point guard ever
@@Darius_Icewoodwtf are you talking about not all around scoring watch basketball he scores from every where on the court yall just be saying stuff . Kevin Durant shoots majority mid range shots but yall don’t say that .
@@robertdavis2179 Exactly what I don't get about the nonsense they always say. They make it seem like midrange is THE PLACE where the ball SHOULD be score from
How they dismiss Wilt Chamberlain shows that even former NBA players don’t always know what they’re talking about! Do your research people! 70% of Wilt Chamberlain shots were fadeaways. So talking about his height is ignorant on Kenyons part! The average height of the centers he played against was 6’10”! And they actually played inside. So stop!!
Wilt owns the record books
Wilt is the goat 🐐 none of you N,s know that Wilt holds all the records
I watched this again and it still hits!
Steph a 2 time scoring champ yet he’s just a shooter lol
With insane efficiency too. These dudes are jealous haters. Always trying to discredit him.
@@derrickhoward1543Russ got 2 titles as well, he’s wat they said, a shooter that can score, he’s top 10 but not top 5
Thats fair to say from what we heard he ain't in the convo that's where pushback is
Steph shoots 12 threes a game if he hits 5 that's 15 of his 30...that's not a pure scorer is the point you're missing...that's not a pure scorer that's a great shooter
It's a fact. He's a shooter, nit a scorer.
Kevin Durant is the greatest scorer in NBA history 27.3ppg on 18.7 shot attempts 50.1% from the field 38.6% from 3 88.5% from the line 4 scoring titles and never had to lead the league in shot attempts!
MJ, KOBE, TMAC , MELO, KD
AI too
Harden
No shaq? this list bruh is bias
@@Coldskin1dude they are talking about natural scorers lol. Shaq ain’t there
Not the guy who isn’t a scorer but broke the All time points record? Huh 🤔
Curry KD Mj Kobe melo harden best scorer in nba history
Take out curry and put kyrie
I like this list 💯 Given him being so undersized, I’d also add Iverson
AI definitely needs to be up there. 4 time scoring champ!!!
@@gsxawd981 not better than the players I mentioned
@@TonyPajamas24 he’s top 6
The way kenyon martin broke down playin melo was beautiful
When your AVERAGE game is 30 points over 15 years…Then it goes up to 33 in the playoffs….What we talking about?!?!
Bingo. Nothing else needs to be said
Perks of playing against plumbers
@@dadillonful Plumbers? MJ played in the 90's, not in the 60's. Why is there a plumbers narrative comment in every comment section? Are you the same people who say We done with the 90's? It didn't work, so now you say every player before the 2020's played versus plumbers?
@@penkima4923cause these 🤡s are just echo chambers they dont have their own opinnon
@@penkima4923he played against Dan Majerle, Reggie Miller, Jon Starks, Hersey Hawkins, Jeff Hornacek, Craig Ehlo, Dale Ellis, Voshon Leonard, Danny Ainge, Dell curry, Steve Smith,… not exactly lockdown defenders 😂😂😂
Them saying Steph and Lebron are not scorers is disgusting work
They left out shaq wilt and bird too
That’s my Goat and I won’t put him as a scorer… that’s why kyrie was a perfect fit… bron just the goat idk how to describe him
@@viconstructiongroupLEBRON PUT THE BALL IN THE HOLE BETTER THAN YOUR 5 LEVEL SCORER CLOWN.. 😅😅
Bron & Steph JACK OF ALL TRADES
Honestly, this content made my day!
How you mention James harden and he’s the only superstar that has more career free throws than field goal attempts. That’s not impressive
True cause once the league took that away from him. Them averages dropped... and Melo could of been top 5 all time scoring had he not been blackballed
James harden over steph? He got most his points off free throws from flops and he doesn’t win. Steph shoots the 3, mid, layup package, turn around, step back, one foot, Half court, full court, scores off dribble, off ball, spot up, catch n shoot, any spot on the floor. Curry can literally score from anywhere in the court. Mfs b hatin. Stop just calling him a shooter. He is so much more. He for sure got the best offensive package as a scorer. Not to mention they say shooter like shooting isn’t the main way a person scores and he’s the best at it.
If Steph was as one dimensional of a scorer as Gil & Kenyon try to claim he wouldn’t have did half of what he did he’s efficient from anywhere & obviously mixes it up enough how else did we end up w a layup named after him 🤦🏽♂️😂
Melo got 1 scoring title and y’all ranking him like this Jordan got 10, wilt -7, gervin-4, A.I. -4. KD-4, Harden-3 and he could’ve had more
Thank you man. Harden is a better scorer than melo
That’s because scoring title goes off ppg and not total points and melo could score on anybody you have to Watch the game and leave the Box scores alone
@@tylersuggs11man these cats don't know any better...they memorize the box score and google stats and have no clue about the game or what they're watching
@@tylersuggs11 harden could score on anyone
@@marvinmj7075ok smartass 😂😂
Vince Carter ( Underrated )
•1999 - Rookie of the year
•1999 - All NBA Rookie Team
•2000-2007 - 8x NBA All Star
•2000 - NBA Slam Dunk Champion
•TOP 6 NBA ALL TIME 3PT FG MADE
•TOP 20 NBA ALL TIME SCORING LIST ( 25,430 )
•2000 - OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL CHAMPION (Sydney)
•2003 - FIBA Americas Gold Medal Champion
•LED the ALL STAR VOTING 4x
•Top 2 in GAME Winning Shots All Time CLUTCH (check internet)
•2001 - All-NBA Second Team
•2000 - All-NBA Third Team
•2016 - Twyman Stokes Teammate of the year award
•1998 - Consensus Second Team All American
•1998 - First Team All-ACC
•1995 - Florida Mr. Basketball
•May 11, 2001-Most 3pt FG made in 1 half (8) NBA playoffs
•Only player to play in the NBA in 4 different decades
What they're really asking is who is the best 5 level scorer in league history. Can score on the break, can score above the break, can score 1 on 1, can score from mid range, can score on the block.
Jordan, Kobe, Melo, KD are guys who could do that. Paul Pierce should be in the convo too.
Wtf is above the break ?
@@4UnkleSlowwjust saying anything
For me KD had no weakness and that’s why he’s the greatest scorer of all time
@@hendrikdalnoot2821 his weakness is lack of aggression
@@4UnkleSloww It's a basketball term, maybe you're not familiar with it. Above the break means a 3pt shot that's not in the corners. The corner 3pt line is straight, right? Then it becomes curved as it gets to the top of the 3pt arc. The point where it goes from a straight to a curved line is called "the break". Scoring from 3 "above the break" , ie on the curved section, is more difficult because it is farther from the basket by a foot and a half. It's also where you find the elite pull-up 3pt shooters like Curry and Dame work their magic.
Ray Allen was definitely a Scorer and was a shooter later on
Facts. The disrespect is real. Ray Jesus Shuttleworth Allen was super cold with it. Obviously they don't know about Sonics and Bucks Ray Allen.
Greatest scorers by way of scoring:
Paint/Rim: Shaq (most dominant inside scorer)
Mid-range: KD (most accurate and un-guardable mid-range scorer due to his height, handles, and versatility)
3point: Curry (Greatest range, greatest accuracy, on or off balance, of the catch or off the dribble, top 5 handles enables to create distance for shot)
FT Merchant: Embiid (1st all-time FTM/game reg. & 5th playoffs) - [Wilt 1st in FTA/game reg. & Shaq 1st in FTA/game playoffs... but both shot ~50%]
Make your pick. Versatility wise, it's likely KD because he has the size and skill to score from anywhere and he does it better than anyone. But dominance is Shaq and lethality is Curry.
HM: (not ordered)
Paint/Rim: Kareem (volume & efficiency), Lebron (volume & efficiency), Wilt (Sheer Volume)
Mid-range: MJ, Kobe, Carmelo, Dirk, CP3, Bird
3point: Klay, Dame, Ray Allen, Reggie
FT Merchant: Harden
Volume: Wilt, Harden, MJ, AI, Lebron, Kareem, T Mac, Kobe, Doncic, Embiid, Shaq, Curry, George Gervin, Westbrook (All have 2+ Scoring titles except Lebron & Doncic who have 1 each)
Non-category HM:
Kyrie (Handles, Shooting, Finishing)
Kawhi Leonard (not flashy but but extremely efficient with volume during playoffs, 51-40-84 Playoff Average)
Omissions?
Their debate came down to perception and narrative around a player more than anything...
They favor the Jab step and 1 dribble pull-up scorers like Melo, Kobe, MJ, and KD however this clearly favors taller players because shorter players can't just pull-up on anyone... they need space to not get blocked... but if they can get that space every time and make the shots... how are they not considered all-time scorers??? Scoring is being able to put the ball in the basket and doing so efficiently... it doesn't matter how you do it so long as you can do it whenever you want...
Also have clear double standards with how they talk about Curry not meeting this criteria and him needing to dribble to score during an iso but talk right after and praise AI being able to dribble past defenders without mentioning that he also needs to dribble to score in iso... AI isn't going jab step 1 dribble pull-up either...
Also, the concept of AI being praised for attacking every defender vs players like Curry and Lebron being smart enough to target the worst defender is absurd... AI attacked everyone but he wasn't the most efficient scorer... so why are they praising a poor strategic decision as being superior offensively... it's not that Curry or Lebron can't attack any defender. It's simply smarter and more efficient to attack a weaker defender if you can easily create that match-up...
MJ highest PPG in history in the regular season and the Playoffs. 10x scoring champ. Highest Finals PPG ever.
Most importantly, his scoring led to a dynasty and 6-0 in the Finals.
@@VVVY777 Valid argument even though it doesn't paint a whole picture...
MJ best scorer/player of his era... however you could argue less offensive talent during his era thus easier to shine above the rest.
Also, he played alongside all-time great defensive talent in an era where teams had mostly 1 scorer thus being the best scorer with the best defense... helps.
6-0 in the finals but lost 7 seasons before reaching the finals...
Lastly, I was mostly arguing quality of scorer as in skill and volume. KD, Curry, and Shaq can all get 30+ just like MJ, they just do it better unless you want to argue MJ GOAT mid-range over KD.
MJ's defense helped him rings too... KD might be a better scoring talent but worse overall player.
With that said, MJ is absolutely in the conversation amongst GOAT scorers.
AI needs to be on everyone’s list. 4 time scoring champ. I hear a lot of names but scoring titles is a must on anyone who is labeled “The GOAT Scorer”. Also shot creating, finishing at the rim and clutch jean including free throws all have a part.
And he did this during the deadball era too while taking crazy ass shots with no other scoring threats on his team, so defenders always knew AI was going to shoot but still couldn't stop him
Y'all obviously don't know what a scorer is lol...nothing at all to do with scoring titles lol
Kobe was the greatest scorer ever. He got buckets EVERWHERE in EVERY WAY.
Outside.
Mid-range.
Attacking the rim.
Post-up.
Iso.
Pick and roll.
Free throw line.
Right hand.
Left hand.
Double-teamed.
It didn't matter.
Greatest scorer ever.
No he's not.
🗣WRONG
he miss too much
TF are these stupid idiots on about? MJ highest PPG in history in the regular season and the Playoffs. 10x scoring champ. Highest Finals PPG ever. Kobe is inferior to MJ in every single way.
Jordan then Kobe
The best scorer in nba history was kareem abdul jabbar. He led the nba in all time points up until last year. KAREEM SCORED ALL OF THOSE POINTS INSIDE AND MID RANGE. HE DID IT ALL BY SHOOTING 22222222 POINTS.
Kareem made one 3 pointer out of 20 years. Soooooooo if you take the top 10 scorers in history 3 points away kareem is number by thousandssssss of points. He would only lose 3 points. So, with all of his accolades since college kareem is on the rushmore over lebron in points.
saying steph isnt a scorer is top tier hating
He is more of a shooter than scorer. So, it's not hating.
@@penkima4923 no , the debate isn’t what his best skill is. It’s is he a scorer or just a shooter and by every stat and every metric Steph is a straight up scorer so like I said , saying Steph isn’t a scorer is top top tier hating
@@tymoore4490 "no , the debate isn’t what his best skill is."
Yes, it is.
"It’s is he a scorer or just a shooter and by every stat and every metric Steph is a straight up scorer"
The stats say Steph scores the majority of his points off of screens at the perimeter, because he's a shooter the teams wants to get open.
"saying Steph isn’t a scorer is top top tier hating"
Steph is a scorer secondarily, but primarily he's a high volume shooter. Some of his stats resemble a scorer's stats, but saying he's not a scorer isn't hating.
@@penkima4923Steph is a 3 level SCORER!! You don’t just tell Steph to sit in the corner. The fact that he happens to be the best shooter ever allows a system to be created off of that particular skill. He handles the ball , he’s one of the most efficient small guards ever at finishing around the rim , like stop Steph is a legit scorer . Calling Steph just a shooter is a lazy take and the hate radiates from it
@@tymoore4490 3-level scorers take shots balanced across the arc. Steph takes far more threes than any other shot. He's not a 3-level scorer.
Kobe Bryant best scorer the world has ever seen no question !
Kyrie never get put in these discussions when he can do everything those other guys can and he’s smaller
He's a scorer. nobody never said he wasn't, he's just not on the level of Kobe, Melo, KD, T-Mac, Mike, AI (who was smaller than Kyrie), Alex English ect. Those guys were pure scorers that didn't need to dribble the ball 3,000 times each possession lol By the time Kyrie gets his shot off, his team could've had 2 more possessions already.
@@Darius_Icewood lmao your smoking rocks if you think kyrie needs a lot of dribbles in a 1v1 to beat you watch dude rapes watch his 1v1 practices vs KDs vs Tatum vs team USA
@@user-bk4pe5iv9s you square ah prolly dnt even kno wtf that mean jit 😂be a leader stop following folk
Except be the best player on a good team. Kyrie is just flashy.
@@Bob-te3le just flashy lol you see his numbers n efficiency as a 6’2 guard in the best league I. The world for over 10+ years stop it just flashy is John wall a D rose guys who had a good 2-4 year run
Steph is the greatest scorer EVER!!!!!! You can’t leave him OPEN at ALLLLL!!!! Anybody else you can still give them space. YOU CANT LEAVE STEPH OPEN!!!!!!!!!! He’s not just a Shooter. He’s a PURE scorer of the basketball!!!!! How the FUCK is the Best Shooter on planet earth not a Scorer???? Make it make sense!!! Last time I check, Steph can do everything on the floor offensively. He has no weakness offensively. This is coming from a Kobe Fan. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
STEPH THE GUY THAT CHOKED A 3-1 TO THE ALL TIME LEADING SCORER
Melo= 18 shots a game… scorer
Lebron= 19.6 shots a game… passer???????????? Wtf.
Because it looks different it’s not flashy they given everybody style points yet lebron was getting buckets easier then them but it wasn’t flashy
LeBron is not a pass first
LeBron being pass-first is a false narrative by ESPN. And it's getting old that y'all keep bringing that ish up.
LeBrom has led his team in shot attempts almost every season...that's with other scorers like Dwade, Kyrie, AD as teammates
Melo shots per game went down as his role changed later in his career
Fun fact: It was 7-8 minutes left in the game when Melo checked out with 62. He was more than capable of getting 70 and possibly 80.
KD is the greatest scorer the game has ever seen
Kobe had a complete game thats a scorer. Scored in every way
Kobe was a volume shooter.
Yeah for 44%....if you need to win..gimme the 50 plus guy all day and night...unless you have prime Shaq or 2 7 footers and a 90 ft tall odom...but to each their own
Bucks Ray Allen was definitely a scorer and it amplified when he went to Seattle. When he was in the Mil he gave u a lot of rack action. He would dunk on u in a heart beat, had a very nice mid range game and he knocked it down from 3. He was complete offensively.
GILBERT FUCKING ARENAS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SCORERS IN MY LIFE!! Dude is too humble noone besides kobe was fucking with gil.
and gill could get it from all three levels and would post u up at the pg!
Kobe bricks Bryant
@@codyking3825try again 🤦🏾
I hope you wiped yo mouth after u posted this 😂
Tmac just died huh?
This shooter scorer, scorer shooter concept is kinda bogus.. A lot of these names mentioned have to play a role in their teams system. If they got put on another team that allowed them to be scorer first, shooter second.. we'd be calling them scorers lol. Kawhi for example on the Toronto run looked like a prime MJ bucket getting level of scoring Vs. Kawhi with the spurs. the teams systems allow players different roles and in turn that's how they're being classified. I think the metric should just be efficiency and difficulty of a players buckets. If any given night you're dropping 25+ efficiently you're a scorer in my eyes
Top 5 scorers MJ Kobe KD Harden … top 4 scorers all time handsdown 5th spot can be a toss up between (Ai Melo Luka TMac etc.)
Kareem's the best scorer ever, no debates! He had THE most unstoppable move in NBA-history, since the "SkyHook" is UNSTOPPABLE/IMPOSSIBLE to defend
Lebron has the most points scored in nba history. There is a debate.
@@marvinmj707530.7ppg(NBA Record). 33ppg in the playoffs(NBA Record). 10 scoring titles(NBA Record). 63pts in a playoff game(NBA Record). Enough said. 🙏🏾
Naw😭
@@marvinmj7075 but Kareem has scored the MOST points, in the NBA-history, in the least amount of time + he couldn't be stopped by anyone, which matters A LOT more, since we have visual proof......records don't mean anything if you spent the MOST time trying to break them, since ANYONE could've done that if that was their only motivation to play vs. NBA "stars/superstars" always fighting to win Championships, all the time, where stats don't matter if you win.......you gotta admit, Lebron looks real NASTY, looking "old" the way he does right now, admit it.......NONE of the "greats/LEGENDS" would ever allow themselves to look like THAT, on National Television on-purpose, that's why they never chased STATS, it's too embarrassing + a "weak-sauce" thing to do.......THIS is only going to get MUCH worse for Lebron, who's clearly afraid to retire obviously because he doesn't want people to stop talking about him 24/7/365, while he accomplishes nothing, while making every excuse humanly possible, while taking "0" accountability for his failures/bad decisions/shortcomings
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 all I said is there is a debate which you prove by writing a sermon
Flat out scoring is MJ KOBE KD
Melo>KD
Super close but def debatable with that one
Wilt averaged 50 that while getting guarded by an entire starting five every game.😂😂 please stop
@@Stopphatingget off drugs.
@@Stopphatingbullshit ... Melo up there but he ain't better than KD scoring the ball
Wilt! PERIOD... 55ppg 25rpg for the season multi times
I'm a huge Wilt fan. He's top 5 in my All Time players list but Wilt played in an era where there were 6 teams, he was the tallest while everybody was under 6'9" and the game was not as crafty and hard to guard 😂 I can't see Wilt as the greatest scorer of all time.
10 scoring titles! End of debate.
Melo gotta a better post 3 and free throw … Melo the best ever not the most ever
I love the end of this where they categorized it as shooters that can score and scores that could shoot. It actually makes so much sense. There's certain guys where their main thing is hitting that jumpshot but they can also use that to figure out ways to score. But then there's guys like Carmelo who can score from anywhere but you can't leave them open on a kickout or anything because he can actually shoot as well as hit from all areas of the Court. Love this show!
Melo is not on KDs level scoring wise, especially since he heavily startet declining after 11-12 seasons, also he really wasn't efficient. KD is a player you can expect an efficient 25+ ppg EVERY NIGHT, even with 35. I think its disrespectful to KD discussing this, cause there has been no NBA player who can easily score efficient on all 3 levels like that.
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stay off the weeeeeeed! Nel got every move in his arsenal, a three pointer mid range, step back, post up, getting into the basket, plan in the paint, buckets off offensive rebounds, first step, fade away. KD cannot be in the same conversation as Melo, because he’s nothing but a jump shooter he has no post game and he barely goes to the basket😢
Curry is the only guy who was the same in the video game and in real life
I don't play 2k since 2k18 but the game did not reflect steph unless he was hot
The greatest scorers are Jordan and Wilt.. They have the highest ppg average and shot a high percentage
"defender you can score on " is crazy 🤣🤣
When McCants not on the show it’s actually a top 3 podcast
Top 1 if he is the show
Are you kidding? McCants makes the show not feel bland. A lot of people like Rashaad on the show, it's just you
Hell na.
Any order
McGrady
MJ
Kobe
Iverson
Durant
In discussion
Kyrie
Carmelo Anthony
Kobe in 3 quarters have more points than curry lebron and KD jajajajajajajajajaaja oooooh and the 60 point game of lebron was vs the bobcats jajajajajaja
Before I watch one second of this video, I'm coming to the comments just to let it be known... prime James Harden is the best score the NBA has ever seen in the modern day era.
Not sure how big of a factor clutch is in this conversation. Because Harden scores like a bench player in big games.
@@penkima4923
False, I can literally show you as much as big performances as you can bad performances, but the media only focuses on the bad.
Yes his stepback and euro was unstoppable but he wasnt the best scorer we’ve seen. He didnt have a 1 / 1-2 dribble pull up and no post moves. He is a natural shooter that can score
@@merv3930
That might have been One of the worst breakdowns of James Harden's game I've ever heard, lol.
@@4a_atm Then you must’ve not watched Harden. They literally say in the video he is a shooter first that can score and I am simply agreeing. He is not a 5 level scorer like Tmac, Kobe, KD etc. If you don’t agree that he abused Stepback 3s and Euro steps for fouls then I am wasting my time. He has more free throws then FGA lol. Ive been a fan of his since he went to Artesia HS here in Socal and no doubt he mastered what he did but please elaborate on how he is the greatest scorer the NBA has ever seen 🤣
People act like Steph’s slashing ability isn’t deadly too.
Tracy McGrady is the best scorer ever.
In what universe is this?
🤔 nope
He ain a better scorer then dame lillard
Do a head to head. AI vs Pistol, Westbrook vs James Harden, shaq vs Hakeem, pistol vs steph. Separate all the categories and do a tourny style bracket. Kareem vs wilt, Luka vs Derrik rose, Rex Chapman vs , chris Mullin etc etc
This should be a 3 second video. MJ period
I bet nobody can guard Steph since he’s not a scorer and just a shooter. They can’t even stop Steph at the rim
The man with the most scoring titles is barely listed? No one was better at the 2-3 dribble Iso game than MJ, which can clearly be seen from footage where most players(including among the players mentioned) need to use multiple size up dribbles and cleared out space. Mike didn't need space to create. He just did. Arguably the best slasher in the game from 85-93. Finished above and below the rim thru contact. Ambidextrous. Mid range pull ups. Turnaround off the dribble. Running jumper across the lane. Added post game in 1990. 85% from the line. He didnt shoot 3s as that is not what athletic shooting guards did during his time. Did it with more physical rules.
Mike played against a bunch of coke heads
@@zaymula4148 And Lebron plays against a bunch of weed heads who can't play whole seasons due to "load management."
@@chitownmo I agree, but I'm not a LeBron fan, I'm a Bean fan.
2k explained that years ago. You could be a Sharp shooting shot creator, or a shot creating sharp shooter.
tbh donovan mitchell is so underrated omg that man just packing the points statistic
curry is one of the greatest scorers he just different, he sucks in more attention than just about everyone. he can dribble.
scorer is just points. theres no need to categorise post up and stuff like that.
You forgot Vince Carter on that list from year 2000-2009 highest avg scorer top 5:
1. Kobe - 28.2 ppg
2. Iverson - 28.1 ppg
3. Tmac - 24.4 ppg
4. Vince - 23.9 ppg
5. Dirk - 23.6 ppg
For context , I was born in 1995. The first game I ever watched when I knew what was going on I was 6… the best pure scorers I’ve seen with my eyes “live”!and in they…. Kobe, Melo, KD, Bron, Iverson, Tmac, Harden, Luka,
Saying Steph isn’t a scorer is insane, he’s literally efficient at every level.
My aggressive scorers list: Kobe, MJ, AI, T-Mac, Dominique Wilkins, Harden, Shaq... These guys just took it to you and they were almost unstoppable....
How many dribbles it takes to score is the best description of who should be in this argument
Hates on Curry is crazy, they put AI and Jamal on scorers conversation but not Curry? I mean does Book and Tray young a better scorers than Steph?
One-Two-Pull Up ri-right From the Half Court Line IS HILAAAARIOUS 13:20