Destiny 2 Episodes Will be Getting Bigger & Better (Frontiers News)
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Today, we're looking at an article from Paul Tassi that goes over some new additions coming to Echoes later in the Episode, as well as what Frontiers holds for Destiny 2.
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*I want to be very clear; I’m only giving Bungie this one chance for Act 1. I saw how much was put into the Final Shape, and so I assumed it would be a weaker first act. However, if this continues, this is definitely a problem.*
Yes dad
You're setting yourself up for dissapointment
I gave them a chance with the final shape and it was awesome. Separately I gave them a chance with episodes and.... Meh. I'm not buying the next one until I see reviews which is the safer option now.
What problem? One chance? Man you will still pay for every content and cosmetics like you always do. You can say whatever but you are still buying and making content with it. If you were actually going to do something, you would not buy it.
I'd say give it an episode. Without an expansion to work on I think it's very possible the next 2 episodes will be much better and add a lot more.
The funny thing is when you go to the menu and Episode 1 is literally called season 24 😂
The problem is that the story quests are still too predictable and follow a standard model. We want things to be shaken up. I dont want to keep doing a weekly quest each week that feels the same because its just talk to vendor, do seasonal activity, talk to vendor, if youre lucky do a quest or see a cutscene
Realistically, not too much is going to change this late in D2s life cycle
@@Boomer-12347 how exactly do you make a non predictable story constantly
And is it worth it
As in should they make crazy twist just for the sake of it
A lot of people felt the campaign was predictable because we all knew we’d fight the witness in a mission (cuz it lets everyone beat him) and even tho it was predictable af it was still surprising how it was executed
For episodes sure we predict it’s maya but so what that doesn’t tell us anything about how that boss will be executed their motives what they do in the story how we beat them etc etc
The only thing I can see that’s predictable is going to vendors and it being weekly but that’s not enough to judge a story in its entirety
It can judge execution maybe but as a whole? Nah
And (this may age bad) but act 2 could break that entire we literally won’t know till act 2 is out
@@SepticEmpire keep spitttin
Septic spittin out here fr fr
@@SepticEmpire They're not saying the story is predictable, they're saying the way it is delivered is predictable. Your defending is why the game can't even break 90k
*Ill believe it when i see it.*
Same
I'd like to be able to see anything at the moment.
Half the other players in the game are invisible.
@@spaceracer23 I was thinking it, and you said it. :D
There is a whole Vex Civil War and we have not seen it. Just a bunch of lore paragraphs telling us it’s happening. I need them to add story components to the gameplay. Let me 3rd party 2 Hydras fighting each other!
You just gave me the best idea. Bungie needs to add gambling to destiny so we can bet on 2 hydras fighting 😂
Bro we've seen nothing like I'm looking to pull up on the cistern and just see a huge battle field of craters and destruction with vex fighting. Imagine having to thread the needle between that
Well to be fair it does say that the vex war is microscopic. It’s the different mutations of radilolaria fighting.
The obvious answer is that Act 1 of Echoes was made intentionally sparse in order to give players time to finish TFS and all post campaign content. People forget that not all destiny players are playing 8 hours a day like it's their job. It tracks that things are going to gradually build, just like they always have.
How long are we going to keep saying stuff like this? TFS campaign takes like a week to complete with only an hour or two per day. Post campaign are just some Exotic missions and finding dead ghosts. As for Echoes, you just need one hour a week to catch up on that story. Act 1 was a dud. It should have carried the momentum from TFS, but it fell flat.
😂 if your looking for something to do 30 hours a week, I suggest a job or side hustle. Destiny isn't made to supplement your real life lack of things to do. Go live your life! 😂
There isn't that much content in the final shape and you're kidding yourself if you say there is.
The timegate is too long, there is no excuse its more than enough time, plus you can choose your own pace. The time wasting is not for our benefit, its for theirs.
@@cos0 you say that, but half of my friends haven't even finished the campaign yet.
Regular people have responsabilities, work, family, etc.
Things are not that simple, and the general playerbase, the silent majority, the 9-5 dads with wife and kids are lucky if they can/want to spare 1-2 hours a week to play.
People have 40-60 hour work weeks, family they spend time with, stuff they like to do besides gaming, hanging out with friends, doing exercise, touching grass in general. It's gonna take long for people with normal lives and schedules to go through a campaign that you and me could knock out in one day or two.
This is gonna be one of those quotes like "Players are gonna complain that there's too much story" from pre-D2 launch, isn't it?
Season of the Worthy was going to be "like no other time in Destiny"
I actually saw a comment that said they hated Witch Queen because the campaign was too long. Can you believe that?
@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 yes because of the idiocy in the community
@@phoenix9531Pretty sure they were talking about Arrivals, not Worthy
@@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754 ngl that campaign got annoying the 3rd time through on legendary.
There's a reason bungie sells campaign skips for $20
Idk why EXP doesn't just roll over and you earn the appropriate rewards at the start of Act 2 instead of right away
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner.
Cross, I don’t like time-gating because it brings the story to a grinding halt (pun intended). I don’t care about getting every piece of loot or the god roll. I just want to experience more of the story and lore.
It reaches a point where the whole story just isnt done, they probably work on these till the week they drop
And if you just want to experience it all at once, wait for it to be all out and play it
@@GlutenPlayz bungie just doesn't have the capability to crunch I guess. Bungie needs to realize good games are made by hard work. Overtime hours staying late crunching miserable hour after hour In the studio. That's how you make good games.
@@jaketheman1577 bad working conditions = good game
So true bestie
@@LifeWulf u say this but if time gating didn’t exist you’d beat the story in like a week then say there’s nothing to do for 4 months
If u don’t care about loot then just don’t play till all acts are out
People don’t seem to understand this is a LIVE service game it will ALWAYS have time gating
If you want a game with story that can be explored in full and by your own progression then play Elden ring
Play any story game that ever existed
Destiny is live service first loot second and story third
(Story and loot switch places when it comes to dlc)
THATS WHAT DESTINY IS if you don’t like this it means destiny isn’t for you
Plain and simple
And if you like the story and lore just watch byf while you play other games
Stop complaining about a fundamental part of what destiny is that’s like being mad at someone for personal
Like your personalities don’t mix stop complaining about them and just move on
You complaining like this is the exact same as a toxic gf/bf complaining about their partner
Just stop
@@GlutenPlayz I hate to say it but we live in a world we're you can't be happy and get eveything you want. Everything is blood sweat and tears. More man hours goes along way. It's very common in the game industry that you are going to work really hard and really long. Finale shape was a prime example. Bungie knew what they made was going to fall flat so they delayed and started grinding. Personally idc if bungie is "woke" but I do care when it has your employees convinced that they got into a career where they supposed to work 8 hours 5 days a week like they don't get payed 100k plus a year. I really feel like bungie is like pre Elon musk Twitter. People just doing whatever barely working doing nothing. Bungie is the coworker that never does anything at work but acts surprised asf they got fired. *gasp* "I never seen this coming" yes your bitch ass did you lazy mf. Every thing they release for this game should have finale shape levels of pressure. If you don't want to be here there is the door. There is plenty of other young developers willing to take your place. Nature if business.
I think Cross missed the point; it's not about liking or hating Seasons, it's more to do that Bungie said that Episodes ARE DIFFERENT from Seasons, yet there is nothing different about it.
It's still "talk to vendor, get data, go to vendor, do some other tasks (vendor bounties/patrols/etc), go to vendor, go do story mission, see you next week."
Bungie themselves marketed Episodes as something different than Seasons, but the only differences are the naming and that we have 3 instead of 4.
Cross is on the Bungie tit now he can't contradict the party line.
And we are getting less for paying more
Yup. It's just a stretched out season by another name.
Same formula, same amount of content. Even the season pass is inflated, with the same amount of cosmetics.
@Lorentz_Driver they just knew everyone hated the seasonal model so they change the name and thought no one would notice.
Just give me all the content at once and let me play it at my own pace.
I am fine with seasons and episodes. The only thing I will say is that coming back every week for 5m of narrative does massively reduce any impact it could have. For example, the stillhunt quest or the queens quest were really cool narratively because we could go through the whole quest line without waiting. If we had to wait a week to do each step of those quests, I would have not liked them that much.
As long as they get away from the Osiris and saint love story, I'm all for it.
Yes. I have no problem that they're "together". It's the fact that it is the ONLY thing Bungie ever does with them.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we got a sex scene at some point with how hard they’re shilling them, they both have such great interactions with other characters in lore tabs but in all cinematics they’re just in love and repeating each others names endlessly
As a gay person that plays destiny with my boyfriend, we’re tired of it too
@Tezumi935 4 hour sex scene, no cutaway, is gonna be act 3
Absolutely all of this in this comment chain. We get it Bungie. This is the twenty-eighth week in a row you've shown this in show and tell, you really really like it, we understand. Can we get something else please? Like Eris and Drifter stuff, or Elsie's relief after the Final Shape for being freed from her time-loop curse, or Crow settling in as Hunter Vanguard, or any number of more fascinating stories? Give Byf and Venextron and Myelin more interesting stuff to talk about that I can listen to while driving, because I'm not going to experience it through severe time-gated predictable "content" that only serves to pad out the engagement time of your playerbase while minimizing effort for you just to make nice numbers for investors and suits to look at.
i thought Episodes were gonna be mini expansions like Curse of Osiris. we get to play the story on day 1, and then they can unlock more stuff like activities, exotic missions, and weapons throughout like they’re doing now. i don’t mind time-gating if it’s like that.
Don't use curse of Osiris and expansions in the same sentence again 😂
3 story missions
2 mins of story
1 mini activity
Big no no
@trailmountain8336 there were NOT 3 story missions in curse of Osiris 😂, that story was long as he'll compared to the 4 missions in warmind the expansion after. The end game just sucked cause the infinite forest wasn't infinite, couldn't even walk in without doing an adventure, 1 public event that didn't reward anything, no sparrows in the area, etc.
@@kwazyjayy story wise it is an expansion
Just not one you can do in one day then complain there’s nothing to do for 4 months
You ain't getting that for 10 bucks buddy we live in the real world
@@gambeanoyou are spot on, this stuff costs so much money to make. That being said if episodes were more like a mini expansion I would pay more.
Biggest exotic mission ever means ridiculous grinding for a mid weapon they will nerf in a week.
You had to grind for Khvostov huh
@@loneillone yes :/
@@stevenjr.5536 bruh khvostov wasn’t even nerfed it was fixed because it was doing something unintentional
Saying oh it’ll be nerfed in a week when the “nerf” is actually just a fix is kinda wild
Like ofc a gun that’s not doing something as intended is gonna be busted af
But oh look a gun that’s preformed as intended (conditional finality) has been the most used special in the game since then
It’s almost like that argument is twisted and applied whenever people are upset they can’t used a busted weapon anymore
But guns aren't supposed to be too strong to the point where they make everybody other gun useless. Luke imagine gallahorn just instant deleted everything and had infinite ammo. You would be retarded for using anything else. Balance has a place in every game. Like what's up with everyone wanting every gun to be broken and then not get nerfed? I'm genuinely curious could you answer please.
@@SepticEmpirethey straight up nerfed its ricochet bullet damage my guy. Thats just a nerf outright
Ever since Cross got that dirty Bungie sponsorship he’s been oddly positive 😉
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner
Not even wrong lmao, the guy got a cash injection and was told to be nice because Bungie can't afford to have what happened last summer to happen again. Bungie would be gutted by Sony if that happens once more, and I honestly think they couldn't make it any worse than how Bungie has been for years now.
Most of those youtubers and reviewers are shills anyway. TFS is a neatly packed garbage made mostly out of old content, take the Traveler for example, you wait 10 years to learn what it really is, and in the end you learn that it's just a garbage container. Moreover, pseudo-artsy graphic design makes everything look like a cheap vaporware video, it's like someone was too much in love with 3d Studio Max from the 90s. Cheap emotional tricks are the key elements of the story, and they only work for someone who's into anime and its repetitive tropes and aforementioned cheap emotional tricks. Two weeks ago I finally uninstalled Destiny for good. It's just sad to see it end that way, but I've had enough. Guardian down.
I just want the story upfront not over weeks, nothing is more immersion breaking than the ever continuing “I’ll contact you when we know more”
Nah. Streamers/no-lifers would blow through everything in a day or two and then we'd get endless complaining. I don't necessarily care for this format, but as a father, husband, full-time worker, I'm appreciative of this downtime. It beats the alternative.
It's legit why I only come back for major dlcs I beat the campaign get the exotics I want then to crucible I go until the next expansion releases been doing that since forsaken after the hype died down
@@WaterGates1 Why does how other people play or enjoy the game affect you? It sounds like your poor lifestyle choices already affect your ability to play the game so why does there need to be an arbitrary time gate?
@@afilthyweeb8684 bruh go play something else. If you have all the weapons all the class items all the new goodies then take a break God damn. This new model actually lets me do shit at my own pace and make time for other games without the fear of fomo for not keeping up with the grind week to week.
Pass your harshest judgement freely once we get to act 3 at least so we can know how an entire episode will play out before passing judgment on the first act.
@loopygordo You shouldn't be blaming other players for the FOMO that BUNGIE THEMSELVES implement into the game lmfao. Actual delusion. There'd be no worry of fomo if bungie didn't arbitrarily remove seasonal/ battlepass content after a year/3 months. Players that wanna grind through it fast ge tto be happy, and slowpokes like you can enjoy it at your own leisurely time.
All you're doing is defending a multi-billion dollar company for their anti consumer practices and manipulation of the consumers' behavior and psychology.
You’re gonna be doing so much shooting, you’re going to get tired of shooting!
Yeah Id love to see areas in patrol zones change, they did so back in Season of the Chosen which im not sure why they havent done it again.
I think more and more people like myself realise they don't want to grind, they just wanna play the fucking game
Hey, if episodes can get to the quality of the story missions, I'll take it over expansions. If they add NPCs joining us to help fight like that battle against the witness, where we can SEE them helping us instead of just talking to us over comms, interacting with us and providing a stronger narrative then it's a win in my book.
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner.
I’m not sure what people were expecting. I saw it coming from light years away.
As did I, and I'm still disappointed.
Mindlessly farming roles is not a good argument against time gating
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Loved your take on the time gating part!!!! This is exactly what I think about all the time, there are sooooo many things to go out and grab. I'm loving the ergo sum grind and I just got the catalyst to work on!
The first time Episodes / acts dropped they were supposed to be bigger and better improved over seasons according to bungie. But this time they REALLLLY mean it. Sure bungie.......sure
The only way I can see it working out is if the acts are separated for the world building too. I.e Nessues changes act 2 because everyone should be up to date at that point. Idk, setting was a big gripe of mine and if they consistently update the location in relevance to the narrative I’m a happy camper.
@@rgentum I'd be happy if bungie actually did what they said they were going to do for once. Just meeting expectations of TFS being good is not enough.
Who said they were going to be bigger and better? Could've swore they said they were scaling back with the episode model. People make expectations up in their minds and then get mad when they aren't met. Kinda weird
Or and ik this may seem crazy af
Maybe act 1 is purposely made to have less that way people still grinding post campaign stuff can do that and not be overwhelmed
Would kinda suck to go through episode stuff right after campaign you could either do post campaign stuff and get spoiled for no doing episode fast enough
Or do episodes and never have time to do post campaign
At least this gives us a break to earn the title and get some exotic swords and class items before the real episode stuff takes place
If I’m wrong then oh well but at least I can think logically about why they might of done this rather than mob and hate bungie and make unreasonable expectations
That guy that commented isnt wrong, im yet to see a seasonal activity where im not moving and defending some shit or depositing some dumb thing. Or a combination of both, give something new man.
Crazy that bungie is telling us to get excited for shit that wont come out for a few more months. Episodes are going to get worse is my thought.
The multi billion dollar company telling us something wasnt possible before while cramming more microtransactions done our throats is enough to show they havent changed
Bungie has perfected the art of monetizing potential.
It's like carrot on a stick is their exotic perk.
@@justifano7046 that is the perfect way to put wow
".... will be bigger and greater"
AH YES, last year Paul Shillssy and some bungie devs said there was going to be a *REWORK* in TFS and what did the players got? Go to the Helm talk to X go do X activity talk to X SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Bungie can suck my wiener, but:
It's just act 1, we haven't even seen a full episode my brother.
Calling Paul Tassi a shill is brain dead behavior. Seriously should get yourself checked out
I really think Bungie is far too worried about activism to be focused enough on badassery and quality
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner
I don’t know how you come to that conclusion at all. A healthy dose of all seems to be what they’ve been doing, no?
Have they actually confirmed or said anything about a Stream in August for Frontiers?
Is there any chance we will be getting new stasis/strand supers or aspects or even a 3rd darkness subclass with the next 2 episodes?
3rd subclass, probably not, but I can definitely see new darkness supers happening
God I hope so. I would kill for more darkness supers.
@@thetachyonhivemind if they do add them, i hope they give each class a
one-and-done super or a roaming super depending on what each class already has
No, they said no new subclasses the next year or so
@@thetachyonhivemind Yeah. Stasis and Strand definitely needs an additional supers. Also more grenade types and at least one more melee for all classes.
THEY LITERALLY ALWAYS SAY, "JUST WAIT BRO, TRUST" and they always disappoint.
“If you don’t like the episode don’t play”
Me who got the €100 edition of DLC and pre paid for the episodes: 👁️👄👁️
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner.
I actually don't mind that there's a longer break between the ax. It gives us more time to do other things because there's actually a lot to do in the game right now like a lot
This is what access journalism looks like.
*^This*
In a good or bad way
@@flametoooth Access Journalism is designed to be easily digestible for people with low intellectually curiosity or people that aren't curious about their own bubble.
AJ always makes the parent company/product look good. Because its designed by a high end PR team to produce products like this video. There is ALOT of this on youtube.
? AJ would have nothing bad to say at all? Quite a straw man argument. God forbid nuance be in your life
@@lukelaws3545 PR-AJ exists to distract from and reaffirm the product in the direction the company wants it to go. Most American's dont really see this spin.
Im just saying is I see the invisible hand, and im calling BS.
Aztec thinks diet seasons are fine ..
so they are fine!
its FINE..
To be fair im sure everyone else that went on the PR junket in late may, Fallout etc.. or get the free limited editions, also post a video saying it FINE.
ah yes let me spend two weeks grinding for a sword that I won't even use
on the topic and the seasonal experience, you get rewards still for continued leveling, its in the bottom right of the seasonal rewards screen
The one thing that confuses me about patrol zones is that they don't change with the times. I think we haven't seen a significant change to an area since Season of the Chosen with the Proving Grounds Strike. So for Nessus to not undergo any change when it's clear to see in seasonal activities is just mind boggling.
when is the stream where they talk about frontiers ?
unknown yet but prob soon
Did they mention frontiers specifially or just 'future of d2'? Because the latter was bait that they only tall about the seasons, its already long time ago.
"Biggest Exotic Mission" watch it have 200 steps lol
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner
we need annual expansions because thats where they always put the raid. it would be weird if a raid was tied to seasonal story imo but im sure they COULD pull it off
The entries from UA-cam were counted in the competition. You happened to the winner
I hope the new exotic mission is a corridors of time/niobe labs 2.0
They kept saying that about seasons for years and we only saw changes on the last 3.
When you do some of the activities, it says it happens 3 days before the witness
Because those activities take place 3 days before the fight with the witness; it’s to keep the dialogue relevant because it doesn’t work post-final shape
Those are some of the post campaign missions. They originally happened during the waiting period after the campaign, and before the raid released, which is why it's noted that way.
@@rgentumThe lake of shadows remake came out in light fall. That's not 3 days before the witness. It's a glitch. Same thing with the disgraced which is the new light strike. Again, it's a bug.
@@dredgenspace The remakes happened forever ago, sure, but the dialogue has been adjusted with new characters from Final Shape, Cayde and Micah 10; and their dialogue is relevant to the in-between stage of launch and the three day period to the raid
@@dredgenspacedude fym ‘a bug’ lmao. Ah yeah cause a whole new dialogue set added to each of those strikes with new final shape characters was a ‘bug’ …
the issue is the slow tempo drip fed content. I get that bungie wants us to log in week after week but if thats the case, give a full weeks worth of content not just an hour or two of running errands for a vendor. OR open up all 25 or 49 or whatever number of steps the quest has on day 1 and let me run it start to finish, all steps, in one mega 24 hour stint if i want to. The method by which we get the content doesnt really matter. Episodes are fine and so are seasons. Its the quality, frequency and quantity of the content that matters. This game has a horrible habit of getting a plot moving and then hitting a quest gate that makes me wait a week while a vendor analyzes a sample?? thats basically telling me to play destiny for 2 hours or so, then spend the rest of the week on another game if i want a non-repetitive experience. there needs be something we can do in the meantime to progress the quest that isnt a repeatable, predictable, boring and prematurely flaccid seasonal activity. the first few runs of new seasonal activities are fun, but after that newness wears off it just becomes a chore to log in and do the same thing again and again.
Are we 100% sure there will be a stream in August? I think it will be in October/ November because of the delay.
I think there is more of an incentive to just wait for everything to be out before jumping back in.
We don't need bigger missions. We need a bigger goal to work towards to keep us playing. Look at something like the atlas in PoE. You have the goal of reaching the end of the atlas, all while the game progressively gets harder. This has you seeking out loot so that you can push your build further to its limits. Destiny doesn't have that. You do the campaign and the raid, and maybe some one off missions. And then what? All you do is get loot for the sake of getting loot.
You know people would complain about that too right? Destiny appeals to a much wider audience than PoE - it'd be like comparing PoE to Diablo again. Diablo IS a worse game (in most regards) imo but it appeals to far more people than PoE. Yes Destiny could give you that grind and content just like diablo could but that isn't their goal because thats not their target audience.
@@skylerfreeman1173 Ok. Then let's continue down the same path that will continue to slowly lose its most dedicated fans. Destiny has no future as long as this keeps up.
I understand what Cross is going for the time gating. my only point is that there are people doesn't want to grind all the stuff that they will ignore. But then again, time gating is a way that keeps the player base engaged with the game, specially with a 4 month long season.
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I love your answer to time-gates, haha 😂
“Biggest exotic mission” 😁 instead of 6 weeks it’ll take 12 weeks 😁 bUnGiE
I can't get behind the timegating defense, i know i can grind for other stuff but i mean i pay for the whole story at once. why do i not get the whole story at once?
He's a Bungie meatrider. They can do no wrong in his eyes. It's how they all are. It's why I left the game. It's almost cultish.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper well, his pile of gold is dependent on everyone playing the game. It does make sense that he would be super defensive of their actions. It would make sense for him to do what he can to make the community think positively about the game. Interesting for sure.
For the exotic mission, remember how big Seraph Shield was. Mini dungeon?
I actually like timegates. I feel its gives me some structure, helps me focus on certain things and like i dont need to rush because the rest isnt available yet
Oh no... not another dual destiny please. As a solo player I'm on the verge of quitting. I buy every season with the annual pass since I started playing in Season of the Worthy. I was ok with raids being the only content I can't access. But now exotic missions? F*** that. I can't even get a refund for the next seasons.
P.S.: Not asking for easier content, not socially anxious or anything, I just like playing alone. It's relaxing. Heck, give me a solo grandmaster level of challenge. But literally locking it behind team play and calling it "creativity" is just nonsense.
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Look, sure we’ll have an exotic quest and 1-2 new activities but it’s still the same stuff and we always overestimate bungie when they say things like this, they never do the logical thing like actually change the patrol space, change up the time gate logic or do anything new
The problem with the episodes is the season pass being paused and all out xp earned from did not being applied to the future ranks meaning now of we won't want to be so far behind when the next act pops we have to bounty hoard and save challenge turn ins to not waste xp...
I'm not sure if you can have a live service game without time gates. Peoples schedules are just too unequal. I'm sure this has been outlined a thousand times, but if you want to please a large player base, and that's what Destiny 2 is trying imo, you have to take those in account.
To define a spectrum that seem viable: There are people who play every night, raid twice a week have grinded every weapon pattern, did every dungeon solo flawless, etc. and on the other hand there are people who never do a raid, complete one red border per season and their monthly endgame highlight is almost finishing a dungeon. I know there are people left and right to this, but you got to start somewhere.
Now, imagine there is no time gate. Group hardcore is slicing through everything in a week or less: "There is nothing to do in the game, it's 3 month until next season" and they might stop playing. Group casual is completely overwhelmed by all the options presented: "I don't know where to start, this is too much, I can't keep up" and they might stop playing. It's a lose lose situation.
The way it is now is the only viable middle ground to keep the population healthy. If you don't like it try other games.
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"Just keep giving us money, we have disappointed you for a decade now, but if you buy our season pass, it will be better this time, we swear."
I work a 50- 60 hr work week, sometimes i dont always have tome to do every single pinnacle
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they gave us the skeleton with the subclass system, we just need more aspects and supers and abilities. maybe a new movement option available to all classes, not like blink limited to two. Bungie can do so much with what they've given us
add seasonal new exotic class itens on new missions= inflation on player retention( also make them fugly and sell a good looking ornament)
Bruh exotic missions are just not worth the hype. People glaze the hell out of them but you just get the weapon and then you leave it alone forever (unless you're forced to play it multiple times for catalysts etc.)
Ya forced to play it w friends pretty much...
You explained what players do for literally everything else. Dungeons and raids are not excluded. The only difference is that one gives guaranteed drops at the end. The others are chance drops.
@@jinxx8456 If you think people run 1 dungeon or raid, you are sorely mistaken.
I wish to know what your feeling are about the push to playing with randoms rather than playing solo, I was attracted to Destiny because of solo but new game play makes this tuff
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I have a question: if I decide to jump in and skip some episodes can I come back and get the exotics/other materials at a later date? Like is the fomo still there, since I hate that, and hated that about seasonal things. Do episodes change that at all or do we not know yet? Because how they talk about it they make it sound like we can jump in literally at any point at whatever episode and experience things.
Echos probaly just has the Growing pains of being inteded as a season and then probaly becoming an episode deeper into development .
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I’m still coping that since this was the first episode that it’ll be smaller compared to the other 2.
Was? We've only seen act 1
We're still in this episode, there's still 2 acts left
100%, compare Defiance and Deep for example
@@flamingscar5263we know what we’re getting for the act 2 and 3 already, just a single exotic a few legendary weapons, and another boring battlegrounds activity
I believe it when I fucking see it, Echoes has been lame as fuck so far.
The thumbnail photo of you makes you look young as heck. Like school pictures stylie😂
Loving the invisible shite.
Even better this week.... pinnacles are dropping as powerful.
After seeing the leaked cutscenes I might want the seasonal model back. This episodic model is genuinely worse in every way so far.
We aren’t even 1/3rd of the way through if quite yet…
@@jimmcmeen761 Literally nothing is going to change holy shit, there are 3 battlegrounds coming out in act 2, want me to tell you how act 2 is going to play out.
Week1: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
Week2: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
Week3: get quest, do random fetching shit, do battleground
And then another 3 week break until act 3
@@Alckee6904 maybe things are this way cuz people always leak it? Not entirely but probably a large reason
They didn’t wanna do secret missions cuz they wouldn’t be secret and what do you know every detail about the mission was known day one and people had guides within the same hour
If that happened to be I’d do the same boring thing all the time too cuz the moment I try to surprise or do something different everyone already knows and it ruins the point
For raids it’s different but I’m sure people leak that too and how would you feel if a team that got first saw leaks and already knew the raid
This isn’t always the case but I think this is one of the reasons bungie doesn’t make changes that much
The fact people already know act 2 is crazy
Like you literally don’t want to be surprised
saint could die tomorrow and you’d already know
How can someone who knows that kind of info also say “episodes are worse in every way so far”
Like ofc it’s worse you already know everything
Bruh
@@SepticEmpire Firstly this is definitely a company issue not a player issue. You one company that people leave the hell alone Nintendo!. They will sue until there is nothing left. Anyway though passion and all that is cool and I understand they don't want they're surprises reveal but who gives a flying fuck. They are a business of they want to make money they are going to have to start making a game worth playing otherwise they will have another pre finale shape situation. They also need to start legally going after leakers. Start ruining life's like other companies do make leaking something that is way to risky.
@SepticEmpire no bungie just let's people like you use it as excuses for them lol oh no extra content for leaked so cares lol at least it'd be in game. Crafting definitely is a double edged sword tho. When into the light came out and I had to farm shinies I wouldn't get as bored. But the check list loop they created only really hurts them. Idrc either way
My biggest complaint about episodes is the 3 weeks of nothing new.
I enjoy the weekly seasonal model that gave me new objectives each week -- I really REALLY think that episode 1 , act 1 is just so slow narrative wise and that’s why it’s aggravating
I want to know if the content in these episodes is going to be sunset at any point like seasons and if so then what?
Vex Thanos emerges!!
“….. can you please go collect some nice colorful rocks for me, Guardian?”
Bungie’s motto really is “just wait for the good stuff” like they haven’t been saying the same shit for 10 years
I miss season roadmaps
Destiny fans are truly in an abusive relationship. They're genuinely gaslit into thinking the next thing is going to be good. While TFS is good, it's just a good general expansion. It just seemed so amazing because everything was dogwater in comparison. It HAD to be good. The fact that Bungie knows what makes there expansions good and only puts the effort when their back is against the wall is shameful. D2 fans are about to go back to the same cycle. You all hyped and praised TFS so much they're going to think they can get away with half-assing anything after, and then once people finally see it's dogwater they will make another good expansion a year after. The cycle continues .
Did we not get the good stuff with final shape ? Destiny is arguably the best it’s been in a long time. The first season is always sparse after a major release. Hopefully they can deliver. Bungie doesn’t really have a choice but to do better and give us good content
@@Jacksonmontyart Thank you. Someone that uses their brain other than negative complaining bullshit!
@@PoppyPancakeThank you, TFS is not good enough to justify it being delayed for 6 months.
If you believe that I have great farm land on top of Mount Everest for you
I think we’re going to Torobatl and possibly Rhys in the future. They alluded to it in a conversation between Caityl and Zavala in Final Shape. And Rhys was discussed as well. Just my guess.
I’m sad we couldn’t see cause act with failsafe again they where such a good duo in the red war campaign
"The dragonsh are coming! The pizza is coming!"
Bungie: "We've listened, we've heard you, we promise to do better, good stuff is coming".
Bungie: *nerfs titans again, doesn't fix old gameplay bugs, fires some more people.*
I love that we all go to Paul for news, but he doesn't actually get the interviews. GamesRadar does. About episodes, they ALWAYS say "wait till xyz, it'll be the best/biggest ever". Wish they could just stick the landing on seasons/episodes just once rather than promise next time.
It is kinda funny how Paul is THE destiny journalist but he never gets any interviews with bungie
His only source he had at Bungie was the racist chick who use to write the TWABs but got fired. Thats why he is so bitter towards Bungie now.
@@vernonhowell4070Not trying to be rude here I'm genuinely curious about this. Source? I need to read up on this. This sounds crazy.
So do they mean it's the longest exotic mission they ever made or is the lore tie in the biggest like it could be so many different things they could do to make it the biggest hell they could mean literally and it takes up the most square footage of any exotic mission before
I would totally like to have that midtown onslaught map as a pvp map. It would feel like changes are happening not just in pve.
I remember the content and story drought that was post d2 vanilla campaign. How there was nothing to do or look forward to.
And i remain grateful for the season formant for giving me stories to come back to week to week
Exactly but people will complain no matter what unfortunately
@@bradycalderazzo2455
Yeah! People always find a way
There are content droughts regardless did you just forget the pass 3 years? Selective memory working overtime lmao
@@Blanktester685 naw personally I didn't run out of things to do, it sucked she the season story ended. But that gave me time to work on dungeons, complete challenges for bright dust, and get the few raid I can do with my friends because of my work schedule.
Crazy part to me is that if Bungie gave everything on day one, people would complain there's nothing to do or look forward to. I'm not saying Episodes will be amazing, but having something new every 6 weeks sounds pretty good to me, especially if it's high quality and is bringing new weapons and unlocks too. Have a feeling the game might feel busier more often with this, but we'll just have to see
“Please don’t leave, we promise it won’t be shit”
Cross hits it on the head with the time gating issue. Being a Dad the episodes help me follow a story and make time to "catch up" on content I haven't completed (i.e. dungeons, raids, my other classes, red borders, etc.). Cross could look at my vault and be like "Damn! I'm with the government and here to help."
I miss seeing everyone out farming like on Neomuna with the vex incursion event. I like the Pale heart but it’s so empty
I just want them to add PvP content. Trials and crucible weapons PLEASE
They just dropped a free map pack and there’s new pvp weapons actually worth getting rn
@@hatchell18 There are two new PvP weapons in a $100 DLC.
@@SuperRaids13 there’s way more then 2 new weapons. And it’s a 50 dollar dlc not 100
@@hatchell18 There are 2 new PvP weapons.
@@SuperRaids13 nope way more then 2
Nah, this seasons story has been ass. Its supposed to be a vex story, but we've gotten 2 cutscenes about how in love Saint and Osiris are, and nothing about the vex other than "They're acting quirky guardian." Fucking pride month the season.
i would love a destiny spinoff where you play a s a hive guardian
When Cross asked for DIM links, it had me good couldnt stop laughing 😂😂
Unfortunately it's been 10 years since the next update will be better Destiny 2 is a stick with a carrot at the end and we are left believing in it...
lol
Woke trash episodes lol
I just need severence and contact class item, with that I'm cought up on the season
The first time they actually added something worth grinding for, which is the exotic class items. Time gating wouldn't be an issue if they made good content that is actually fun and replayable, and not something weve seen for 5 years now.
still having a hard time caring.
1.2 million players have already left & it's going to get worse.
When Destiny showed their contempt for single players with the 2player exotic class item mission was the day they made the decision for me to switch to another game. Add in the fact thay there was no information about it being forced 2 player until after a week had passed so I couldn't refund. F**k Bungie and the devs that decided to give a massive middle finger to solo players
The big Timegating problem isn't us not being able to access new content yet, but the fact that this content will disappear and we won't be able to play it again or at all if we missed those few months that something was available.
Aye man.....how much is bungie cutting you for these outrageous vids?
"If You Don't Like It, Don't Play It" 👍
Helldivers 2 and first descendent are here. I'm long gone.
Capital one had a free advertisement with this one
so me and my brother was looking at the Traveler and thought about how they said that they would never put expansions in the DVC again but that leaves the question..is the portal to the Pale Heart will ever close? Because lore wise it should unless theres forever a portal to the pale heart, this COULD mean that D3 will close the portal and we start anew.
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