7 Skills We Don't See Anymore | RG Skills
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Knee elements, Ring on the shoulders … there are element you see and then simply disappears from routines. Why ?
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Musics:
Microchip - Farnham
Carmen Overture - Georges Bizet
Classic - Joakim Karud
Ecstasy of gold - Morricone (Agiurgiuculese's music)
0:07 Backscale balance from a ''twist'' entry
1:16 Extreme flexibility (ring with back bent)
2:35 Attitude pivot
3:14 Connected elements
5:56 Balance chest-stomach
6:26 Knee elements
7:38 Catch in backscale
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One of the most underrated sports ever! I mean, those women are amazing and are barely recognized. No one I know has even a little insight into it
What's the sport called
Ronni Taylor rhythmic gymnastics
Ronni Taylor Rsg
Ola
Underrated? Dont say it for the whole world)
Why am I watching this at 4am when I have school in a few hours
That's out of pocket😂
Omg me too and I have NO IDEA how did i get here..
It be like that
😮 me too it is currently 3.58a.m. haah
Lol
I don’t know what I’m doing here if I’m not a gymnast but the video is so cool
This video is also useful to give us one more reason as to why a RG athelte's peak can be quite short. A younger gymnast may train to become the best according to a certain CoP, developing certain skills better then others, but if that code changes significantly she would have a hard time adapting to the new one, maybe struggling to keep up as she used to.
Guys, you are all forgetting something very important. All these skills are body difficulties. This CoP (2017-2020) gives more points to apparatus difficulties. For example, the Averina twins and Ashram are always winners in all competitions, as they have insane apparatus difficulties and masteries in their routines, because that's what the CoP demands. This is why we don't see these skills so often anymore, they won't give you higher scores. That's exactly why I really like the 2013-2016 CoP. They gave more attention to body difficulties, dance and execution!!!
Yessss
for me rio's CoP was the most minimalist, too much dance, only 9 bd but even with not so much apparatus work, i find somway more balanced the kanaev's one
Yes, I included mainly body difficulties because, a lot of them aren't important as they used to be. But maybe n 20, 30 years, some masteries or body difficulty (penche, font scale etc...) will not be as popular as they are now. We'll see...
oh is that why, idk why but everytime i watched the twins, i felt like they were trying to keep up with the apparatus and not the other way around if that makes sense. i guess the updated scoring system has givin them no choice. and i also prefer 2013-2016
The flexibility I miss the most, especially the crazy leaps. It made RG so spectacular. If it wasn’t for the Averina‘s prop handling, I would probably have stopped watching by now.
Remember entrelace with ring and back bent? Or jump with back bent and switch of the leg? Crazy leap!
Clematis RGVideos ugh it was marvellous. I also miss Kanaeva‘s pivots
@@dominicweber I should do a videos about her elements, like penche/ring combination, I think we can all miss this one!
@@ClematisRGVideos Yes! Yes! Yes! 🙏🙏🙏The Queen deserves a whole video just about her elements and legendary performances
Clematis RGVideos Yessss
8:22 Arina... I'm done... Catching clubs separately in backscale. Crazy.
I didn't even put the cleanest version of it (and I'm so mad at missing it!)
See here ua-cam.com/video/gjkulCSdnDw/v-deo.html around 0:45. Truly incredible!
Ariana brought back this catch in her ball routine this year! 😍
Tchachinas and Alexandrovas connected elements and the never-ending combinations is what made them my favourites of all time. No pause to breath and relax for even a blink of an eye and such creative and fitting elements to the music and apparatus. I miss that kind of Rhythmic gymnastics the most and no one, NOT a single soul could keep with them of the current champions.
The only think Im glad they removed was the knee elements and the ring jump! Knee elements look ugly and unestable and ring jump its really dangerous for the spine! But the rest Is sad because they were a lot of beautiful movements and more diversity
I believe the ring jump can still be done! I know someone who does it (and of course with the landing on the knees as if it wasn't scary enough) though not many people do.
For anyone wondering , knee elements start at 6:27
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*edit: also ya they looked pretty ugly imo 😳 the knee spins on the floor omg 😢
I don’t think so :
-some knee elements are pretty cool to me
- Rhythmic gymnast train years to bend in half so I don’t think that , if executed correctly,it is dangerous
I'm so happy that during this and previous season gymnasts started to do connected elements more often, especially connected pivots look fantastic. It's look like tendency will continue next season as well....Vedeneeva and Anenkova are the great examples
For me Irina Tchachina is the eternal Queen of connected elements 😍
i think tha for tokyo we will see ore bd connected to get higher scores
My back hurts from watching this
I trained RG from 2003-2008, and it was way more difficult than it is today... Alina Kabaeva was my idol :) This sport is very usefull for body, I'm still strechy years later and it help my body look good today
i dont know why im here.. i cant even touch my toes without bending my knees
I can't touch my knees without bending my toes.
@@saffronsworld1508 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was so happy about the first part so here is a second one (and creating at the same time a serie : RG Skills, because yes I can) ! Thinking about making one about rare skills (body and apparatus), Kabaeva skills and skills gymnasts from the 2009-2016 eventually stopped performing.
Thank you very much for this enormous work you have done and still keep doing...can't wait to see new chapters 😃
Can't wait to see the next! Thank you!!
so interesting! thanks! 👍😍
Yes please do one with kabaeva some of her elements were super cool and original she is my all time favorite gymnast 😍
Amazing video. Congratulations!!!!
I miss so many of them.
What will they perform in future...
RG sometimes feels boring 😢
I'm not much of an RG connoisseur so I couldn't put into words why I preferred older RG until I watched this video. Thank you, all of these elements were so amazing and really raised the bar for the sport. Compared to that, current routines look - in the words of Alina Kabaeva - like little dances.
Old school rg jumps, leaps and pivots were brutal!!!
Here in 2022! Want to say, most of the things in this video are back now in nowadays code! Great video!
Omg, these ladies are like ballerinas, mixed with gymnasts, mixed with whatever people who work with props a lot are called, 🤯
These girls are queen. Removed knee elements for safety is very good reason. Knees would be injured and dysfunction when they get older if they kept practicing it. It's really hurt.
although i am glad they removed some dangerous steps like the knee elements i still know why i stopped watching rg during 2012 and 2013...personally it feels less artistic and enjoyable as a sport, today it is more about having to wow the judges all the time than to create and perform a routine that is connected and follows the music
4:37 the backsplit jump with a help was my favorite element to see and Trofimova's incredible backscle pivot. So beautiful.
Trofimova: backscale reference since forever™
(honestly her backscale started to be very impressive since 2009-2010)
And be happy backsplit jump was there in the draft for the next code, so maybe we'll see it again?
@@ClematisRGVideos many gymnasts avoid it because of the back/knee injuries.
I LOVE THIS HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON COP!!!! I wished I could give 5 likes to this video and it deserves so many more views. I hope you'll make more videos showing us how the Code Of Points developed during the years. It's SO MUCH INTERESTING!
Aww thank you so much!! I'm really happy you like this :D
@@ClematisRGVideos May I ask where are you from and what's your age?
I hate it when they make changes to things or elements to make it easier. I do agree on the knee changes since it was not such a clean move let alone healthy for the gymnasts but to take connections and don´t give credit for pivots and catching on a scale is puting the sport in a simpler manner at risk of loosing it´s curent status of sport. May be more accesible to more gymnasts yes, but less impresive for audiences and not so challenging forthe gymnasts posibilites and potential. Stop so much dancing in the routines!!!
Connecting a jump and a pivot or balance is bad for the knees, too (and the ankles, hips and spine to be exact). So they'd either have to define connections better to exclude unhealthy ones or remove them altoghether. They went for the second option. IMHO people creating CoP are not very good at it, as they do not seem to have a vision of how they want this sport to develop. It goes left, right, up and down, changes like the wind. Mainly it seems to adapt to the first and second Russian gymnast of a particular period.
So glad they got rid of that sheep jump onto the knees on the floor and the elements that go from standing onto the knees! Looks so dangerous and painful! I only did rg for about 7-8 years and my knees are quite dodgy 😂
All the Irina Tchachina in this video makes me happy!
2001-2004 is my favorite era (funnily enough, it's my least favorite for artistic).
Not only those "knee elements" were dangerous, but they were also ugly...
Agree
How can you say that, everyone loves some wobbly knee balances! 😁
There are only two knee elements that are good, the others are very ugly.
@@ClematisRGVideos only when Bezsonova was the one doing it hahahaha she could do the ugliest movement ever created.... It would be beautiful in her body xD
Entire beauty🖕
What a great analysis! Congrats! I understood everything although i am not a gymnast/trainer etc.
Thank you, really glad it was understandable ☺️
I just love ring leap with those hyper extended backs :( I have always be impressed by Kanaeva's ring leap. In slow motion it's like: girl you...you just put your heel on your chest? And while you're up in the air catching a ball or "jumping the rope", girl, you're the boss. OHMYGOD! and your head it's almost touching your butt!
Catching something (especially ball with one hand or 2 clubs, you will rarely see this skill btw) during a leap like that is very very very hard indeed!
Although I quite like watching knee elements, they're awful to do! I've always found them awkward and uncomfortable, even just a knee bridge. I really miss the flexibility, hope it makes a comeback some day! And all those magnificent pivots and jumpssss
Can you do a video about the leotards and their evolution?
Put on my list!
Kabaeva was my spirit person when I was i child ❤ She was incredible 💔 Rules cutted every damn year! But they can't stop russians from doing all this. Боже, как мы любили Кабаеву, когда были детьми и занимались гимнастикой. Сейчас никто не повторит. Правила все урезают, но наших девушек не остановить 😍
For me quintessential BD of rhythmic gymnastics is the backscale pivot starting from floor, honestly I miss a lot the variety of BD difficulties in the recent COP'S, I think the problem is the FIG has not been enough competent to pack a COP that gave all the gymnasts the chance to shine with their own abilities and dexterity, for example in the 00's if you don't have back flexibility you were a no one and couldn't aspire to move forward ob rankings, 2013 - 2016 gave more emphasis to turns and apparatus handling so with those 2 kinds of factors you could shine through, now it's a lot of risks and apparatus difficulty no matter if you're privileged with flexibility, it you don't have what the COP requires during its cycle, maybe you could be a great gymnast but would never move ahead on rankings, for me one of the best examples of it was Almudena Cid that firstly the collapse of the Soviet Union pulled her down on rankings and after 2000 the brutal change of Codes that did little to reward the apparatus work and cleanness, Almudena has everything to be a world medallist but the right COP to work with
Backscale pivot starting from floor is also one of my ''best of the best'' element!
I think the evolution of the code isn't that bad indeed. 2001-2008 was very unbalanced, not using all the possibility of rg (aka apparatus and cleanness as you said, with the example of Cid). The current code tried out apparatus difficulty. So maybe the next code will try to balance it a bit more. Or maybe we'll have to wait till 2025?
@@ClematisRGVideos Don't know but what's surely that the preferences in the COP are killing the sport!! for example I loved the idea that Selezneva won the hoop final at Baku because it meant artistry won over difficulty, but it wasn't happening if she wasn't russian, I think that Linoy was the right winner of that final despite I don't like her style but at the same time I recognized her hoop exercise was designed to put her in contention for a gold medal, in my POV believe that the kind of routines Selezneva performed are the ideal balance for what rhythmic gymnastics should be as of now :)
@@ClematisRGVideos i really enjoyed the 2009|2012 althogh masteries and stepdances were not still quite a big thing, but at least for me was one of the most balanced, Rio the problem i saw too much mediocricy sorry, the outstanding were for me only yana mamun, melitina, ganna(not for ad XD) , and in her way halkina, the ecurrent generetion for tokyo is much equally stronger with actually more variety in style ,have we ever seen 7 countries that qualify directly 2 gymnast?
2018 was for me one of the most revolutional porposed CoP,the 2001 ,the crazy.changed the way to approach BD, this one changed not only apparatus work, but the idea of limits, we never know if a score is high enogh, at pesaro for example groups won with 25 points, at baku they ammied for 30, at Sofia 2018 top 3 have a range of 22|23, is crazy, now routines change in every compwtitions
I just- I have no words, honestly
As a layperson, I had no idea that this sport involved so much strategy. I now have even more respect for these artists. At the same time, I wonder what it would look like if you took away the points and just let them be as creative and daring as possible.
I agree violinbird ... let them do routines without points. I was very disappointed then Pazhava stopped doing things her own way and started doing things strictly according to CoP or strategically as you put it. She's like everyone else and not very good at it unfortunately.
And the strategy need to be update as the code is constantly evolving! I think if we took away points it would look like ballet: not in the technical content because ballet is very different from rhythmic, but in the variety. There would be much more variety, with extremely difficult routine and very easy one, some orientated only on pivots or only on apparatus handling for example.
I swear i was sitting there and eating chips...
Then my bf send me this and I remember that i have to strech my spagat.!!! 🤣
I hope you stretch!
The last one from 1994 was BEAUTIFUL - 9:20. I hope we will see it again sometime❤
the 2 clips with turns-following-leaps elements at 3:27 are the irrefutable evidence that Tchachina is the best gymnast ever. Yana is awesome, as are a number of other gymnasts, but I'd very much like to see any other gymnast come close to that... nevermind that Ira did them as if she was floating above the carpet. PS: you can really appreciate those elements in her Corbeil 2003 videos.
''she was floating above the carpet'' is the best description of Tchachina I ever read.
Thank you so very much for your effort. The resulting video is superb.
Thank you
Amazing work!
Crazy to see how this sport is evolving with the code
☺️ Thank you!! Totally agree, every judged sport is evolving both with the athletes and the code (gymnastics, figure skating, artistic swimming...) which is really a unique way of making a sport moving forward.
Maria Borisova brought back connected elements memories
Maria Borisova said ''connected element rights!'' and I approve
@@ClematisRGVideos that freehand is something else
Very pleasant to see again all those outstanding gymnasts!
Seems like attitude pivots are gonna have a great come back in 2020. Already the Russian new seniors put them in their new routines, and from a little snippet I saw on Instagram about Dina 2020's ribbon seems like she's gonna perform attitude pivots as well.
Yes I saw it. I think attitude pivot are still very interesting. 0.4 for 360°, 0.6 for 720° aren't that different from a ring or backsplit with help (attitude pivot was just terribly overvalued in 2013-2016) and they can even do AD more easily during it!
@@ClematisRGVideos Tell me about it... Still can't believe Rizatdinova could get scores higher than Staniouta's...
linoy ashram performed a series of 5 leaps on her club performance in european 2020
Tysm for putting so much time and effort creating valuable content 🌷 🙏🏻 great job!
idk y I always miss a winner at the end 😁
Thank you very much 😁🙏🏻
In my opinion those difficulties made the routine less beautiful. I really liked Raskina's routines and Barsukova as well. Those were really perfect and artistically amazing.
Really well researched and informative video, thank you!
i did walkover from stand and some other moves when i was 11 but i quit it is a really hard sport
I love the extreme flexibility elements
Looking at this after the 2024 Olympics the influence of the code is so clear, Varfolomeev won gold with more apparatus difficulties and not so much body difficulty and artistry in my opinion. Many of these skills were beautiful, I think they should give more credit to body difficulties today, though I agree on removing the more extreme ones to avoid injuries.
For the love of Kostina!!!!
*RALÉNKOVA* the very first image of the video and then the repeated one by Kana, Vitri and Kaba to reach the backscale is named *RALÉNKOVA* like the first bulgarian gymnast to make it popular.
Thank you very much! The new code finally gave it a name.
Such an elegant sport.
I don't even do RG and I still watch this Videos 😅
Omg I love that you named the ring jump “sheep jump” WAG crew here
My WAG is showing too + I find this term useful in english because there is so many ring leap and jumps!
@@ClematisRGVideos I completely love it
I regret extreme flexibility. Like for Kabaeva she's so impressive and beautiful to watch
it seemes that this CoP Killed Body difficulties, i really liked connected lemetes like Tchachina did (the queen of bd connection for me ), althought some values were jokes,2013/2016 was ridicolous for pivots, too much points easily done (i think it was the CoP with gmyanstwere able to arrive at 10 in D in a easy way compared to the past), the chest balance compared to backscale pivto..and knee bd are a bog no for me, but i miss some elemts and creaitvity, as you said agiurgiuculese risk so much without getting really points just because she is one of few gymanst who loves art and spectacle .
about attitude pivot well kaleyn alaways proporse this one
about criteria dor AD or Rirsk, i think theyshould add more, or at the end variety and crrativity is nonexistent
As much as the rules & point values change with each passing year. It doesn't look like the ruling board knows what their doing at all. It must be quite frustrating for the athletes.
my gooosh, in love with your channel
Wow thank you so much
I do some of the contortion and skills there as a gymnast. And yes tbh gymnasts are kind of under rated if i have to be honest. People always thinks acro is for circus and dat is how i get teased 🙃😌
Some of the RG elements are plain brutal. I don't know why people enjoy seeing these great athletes crippling themselves.
yeah while it's cool and somewhat satisfying to see brutal moves done so gracefully the safety of the athletes is the most important.
I love how this girl at 8:38 is dancing to music from The good, the bad, and the ugly.
*Conspiracy theory* I believe those elements you talked about in the video will come back for the next four years until 2024 Olympics
Conspiracy theory approved (some of them are even in the draft of the 2021-2024 code) *mystery*
Me: K , Imma try something to do.
*Takes a ball, throws up with a leg. Farts*
Also me: K I’m done with this shi-...
😂🤣😂🤣😂
You made ME fart from laughing at you!!!
Question for everyone:
do you prefer more CoP with more focus on body difficulties or apparatus difficulties, like the current one?
I know it's a very generic question cause it always depends on the specific CoP, but think about the gymnasts: do you prefer Soldatova, Barsukova, Bessonova or Averinas, Ashram?
I personally prefer current CoP, than previous 2013-2016 CoP. The exercises have become more dynamic and more entertaining to watch, with interesting and innovating apparatus work...especially groups performances during this Olympic cycle are more spectacular than ever.
But of course there are some issues with clean execution and artistry, as well as lack of BD diversity. The 2018 season was, in my personal opinion, the most balanced.
The ideal CoP for me would be CoP where body differently and apparatus work are equally represented, and that different types of gymnasts would be able to fight for the TOP encouraging their strongest abilities, doesn't matter if it's BD, or apparatus work, or artistry.
2009-2012 CoP wasn't ideal of course, but it had very diverse BD offer and put bigger effort on apparatus work than previous CoPs. The Mix of 2009-2012 CoP and current 2017-2020 CoP would be ideal for me.
The 2021-2024 CoP draft looks promising (except rope elimination), but of course we must see the final version, which will be out after January symposium in Moscow, promoted by RG Technical Committee.
I like More old school, but at the same time thinking in injuries of the gymnast I think thats the reason the codes its like promoting more masteries and apparatous difficult than body difficulties.
@@user-wn9kt6ij7r i totally agreewith you ,mixing 2009 CoP amd this one would rock, i hated the rio's one , pratically every gmynats who was enough clean with big raccomadation could get good scores without rusky thing,both in ad or bd
Last question of yours is so unfair, one has the most incredible (and my personal 3 favourite) and most timeless, strong gymnasts ,other one is also good but so CoP favourited. Answer is obviously 1st.
Other people reading the thumbnail : *7 difficult skills we don't see anymore*
Me, an intellectual, reading the thumbnail : *7 diFFiCuLt sKilLs wE sEe aNyMoRe*
Connections and back scale from twist were my favourites, sad I don't see them often nowadays
But actually some of these elements are still shown today🤔
Yes, but there are far less present than before. Today the overwhelming elements are more font scale balance or turning jump with back bent. Or also the catch of the ribbon during a walkover, if you see what I mean 😉
But their stretching techniques are extremely intense. Especially in Russia and China.
*GALKINA AT **5:45* ✨✨🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
NO ONE DID IT LIKE HER AND NO ONE WON' T ❤️💚❤️💚❤️💚
The final part that you said i can't agree more.
They all look like delicate Swans🦢
I miss being on the team, if only I didn't give up I mean all the crying moments, pain it's worth a shot but I completely lose it I'm so dumb
such a well-informed video. Thank you for the explanation.
Thank you ;D
Love your channel !!
Very good video thank you 👏
As always high interesting... 😍😍😍
In video game lingo we would say that attitude pivots and knee elements have been "nerfed" i.e. weakened 😂😂
good word ahah
Amazing as always
Thank you ♥️😊 You can find them in the code of points www.fig-gymnastics.com/publicdir/rules/files/rg/RG_CoP%202017-2020_updated%20with%20Errata_February%202017_e.pdf
How interesting!!
but, can we talk politics??... Did anyone hear that Russia is banned from Olympics?.... And, what this will mean for this sport??.... It was almost like it was done out of pure hatred and spite against Russia's RG's and Synchronized swimming.....So sad....😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Clematis... You really know this sport so well... Thank you for the job you do so well..... And, thanks for showing clips of all of our favorites.....Gosh this sport is so wonderful.....
Dayum, haven't thought about that, it's really depressing knowing some of my favourite gymnasts might not participate in the Olympic games.
Russian athlets still can compete if they are ‘clean’, but their are not going to wear the russian flag, they will compete as olympic athlet from russia, like in the winter olympic games in 2018.
I learn alot👏👏👏 thnx
Will the new CoP value the connected elements, right? also, those scary knee jumps... LOL
Requisito indispensable, : Ser bella!!!
Can someone tell me why the code changes every 3 years?
It changes every 4 years after the Olympics. Why, you'd have to ask FIG. IFAGG for example hardly changes anything through the years, the sport (aesthetic gymnastics) still develops and it is healthier than rhythmic gymnastics.
very well made video.
thank you
❤️ Thank you :D
What the human body can do amazes me.
These skills though dangerous can still be seen in Contortionists.
At least its not a competition forum.
Also I was thinking about the connected elements...I don't like them all that much, it depends on the music and composition...but I would have loved to see bessonova with the actual code...performing 8 jumps in a row like she did in her galas! I always thought it was sad that she couldn't do it in the actual routines...
In theory connected element can be very cool if clean and connected with the music. But back in 2001-2004, connected element were generally not very clean, even quite ugly with wobbly balances and pivot and jumps with heavy landing...
On Bessonova: ahah yes she would (it was already a bit the case in some of her routines, hoop 2007-2008 for example), and then she would take the rest of the time to perform AD and Risks!
Some of these moves were removed because they were worried about the long-term safety of the gymnasts.
damn tchachina loved to connect elements
It was also kind of mandatory with this code (2001-2004) if you wanted to have a competitive difficulty. Difficulty elements were limited to 10 but you could do 2 or 3 difficulties connected and it counted as one.
I used to do the attitude pivots✌🏻
keep it up, attitude pivot are always classy!
I only watch RG for fun so I didn't know gymnasts need to use trending elements in order to get a higher score. No wonder I dont see these moves anymore, and i miss it in newer routines
Today RG code (2017-2020) is much more focus on apparatus difficulty than on body difficulty, for the simple reason that apparatus difficulties aren't limited (in number) whereas body difficulties are. The score of difficulty being open, you can understand pretty quick why we see less body difficulties than before. Also in previous code (before 2013), you could performed more body difficulty in the routine.
@@ClematisRGVideos Thanks for making it clear!!
"We can not compete with Russian gymnasts because they can do what we can not therefore we want to change the rules ", thats how they explained it to Irina Viner. They just can not stand them winning all the time therefore they changed the rules and made it simple and boring.
actually i don't think this CoP with open D and unlimitess AD is easy, proably with theathens one is the hardest ever created
Не могут дотянуться в уровне до русских - хотят опустить их уровень до среднестатистического. Российский спорт зажимают всеми возможными способами!
would you consider adding the names+events for the noobs amongst your viewers? i want to hunt down some of these routines but i wouldn't know where to start. (who is it at 1:27, red/pink+black leotard?)
Hmm... i see them pretty often in competitions
and routines
Would love for cossacks and knee balances to give more credit anf yhe backscale to be better included, honestly today body difficulty it's somewhat uninteresting and I think that the BD is what really sets apart RG from other gymnastics modalities though the apparatus is very important too
I miss gymnastics of 80's wimiss gymnastics of 80's and 90's. Rytmich gymnastics died after 2001 with Kabayeva
Guess its the recession. At that time it was a peak of performance. At the Moon "they" were also 60 years ago.
And I can't even touch my toes when I bend forward
Will this evolve to being teams vs each other passing a ball and scoring goals?