Viltrumites can kill themselves by entering black holes (Omni Man was gonna) so Blast can teleport viltrumites Angstrom style right into a supermassive black hole (potentially destroying the planet as well)
@@vectorrondon5852 He doesn't even need too. He can make black holes and completely manipulate the cosmos. Blast was holding back when fighting Cosmic fear Garou. He has AP at minimum Solar and speed from thousands to possibly millions or more the speed of light. Blast could of provided a good fight if he wasn't worried about the planets safety.
Bro the average Viltrumite eats all S-Class except for Tatsumaki and Blast...more than one Viltrumite is overkill, Tatsumaki wouldn't win if they ganged up on her. Blast easily could though. Saitama is just straight up overkill. He's causes all Viltrumites to go exctinct in his sleep.
@@jashthemad5 Blast has too much in his arsenal, he can use his abilities to instantly neg mark, and can manipulate space-time, which mark has no asnwer for
1:08 this feat has Been constantly debunked. Invincible characters don't scale to this. The author and in the comic itself it's stated they can only fly that fast because of the vacuum and zero gravity on space. It basically allows them to perpetually propel themselves forward at higher and higher speeds without ever slowing down or stopping unless they themselves do. They literally cannot fly or scale to this within any planet's atmosphere The only reason they can react to that speed in space is because it's mostly empty and the only thing they'd have to worry about crashing into is planets which are massive rocks they could see from billions of miles away. They're consistently relativistic to FTL at most.
Kings power is Saitama. Whenever King is in actual danger, Saitama just appears and punches or sometimes kicks the attacker. So yeah, any fight against king is just a fight against Saitama.
@@angrymeowngi Not true, King actually has a power called the King Engine, it basically makes him extremely lucky and has things play out in his favor. Saitama killing monsters and King getting the credit was the luck/convenience from the King Engine. Not to mention, in the manga, King acts like he's using an ultimate move against homeless emperor and golden sperm, funny enough, Garou comes dashing through taking them all out for King. This was luck and convenience , the other heroes thinking that it was King's "Ultimate move", when it was just luck or luck that he controls. Apparently he can control situations to a certain extent/make convenient/lucky things happen for him when he needs it.
Yall kinda downplayed blast cause the serious punch² is actually multi galaxy levels of power that he contained some of that power in another dimension wh8le sending the rest out into space that wiped out stars and galactic bodies so yea
Speed is travel speed tho them flying through space and we haven't seen Mark do the same travel speed even if he is equal to Omni man. In space there is no friction or stop in momentum or speed. Light speed or faster than light probably but nothing pass that
we literally KNOW it took omniman 1 week to get there, but i digress. Allen after healing from the three viltrumites attacking him is relative to omniman, and his reaction and combat speed is stated directly proportionate to his travel speed, quote: "His reflexes are enhanced in direct proportion to the speeds attained, enabling him to perform complex aerial maneuvers with ease". even without that Allen travelled from outside of the solar system to earth in 12 minutes calculated at 60,000 times FTL Yes he would be faster in space due to there being no air resistance and the fact he can accelerate for more time, but he wouldn't be tens of thousands of times slower so he should still mostly scale to it, And although i don't really use calculation scaling too much due to inconsistency, the invincible verse being in the FTL-MFTL ranges is very consistent when you look at other feats.
The scales for some of the s class heroes are generally just not good or just low balls. Most if not all of them are ftl or relativistic at least. And bang being able to keep up with a garou who has mftl speed and at times out speeding and outclassing garou would make him mftl and same with any other high s class
@@yeikelamores6085 garou during his fight with flashy and platinum s has calcs to mftl or at least ftl+ lowballed. And both bang and flashy scale relative to him.
@@hunterdavis-pz9jl 1-mftl is Wank and FTL+ is a High ball . 2-Bang fought a much weaker version of Garou than the one that made the constellation and Not even Flashy scales to the second constellation, since it was done after being defeated and his speed increased significantly.
The Omniman speed feat is actually inflated as he didn’t actually travel to different galaxy cluster. We don’t know where he went as we are literally in that same galaxy cluster
tatsumaki downplay sadly. her telekinesis is debatably able to go through gojo’s infinity, it’s practically instant and invincible has no resistance to psychic powers, so there’s nothing preventing tatsumaki from throwing him repeatedly into planets until he eventually dies. this is excluding the fact that she could probably just telekinetically snap his spine and turn him into a vegetable. tatsumaki just counters mark in every way. it’s most likely a tatsumaki low diff
@@rhemv You are fine I just think you underestimated the speed advantage. Mark should beat tatsumaki mid diff if these feats are correct, and everyone weaker gets no diffed (genos gets no-low diffed).
Its crazy how literally no one in the UA-cam scaling community ever uses the Large Planet Tick feat And this was early Mark Blast still soloes ofc, but still good video!
No that was the combined effort of 3 viltrumites and the planet already being destabilized. It was stated in the comics how they had to time it perfectly or the impact would heavily injure if not kill them. Don't get me wrong highly impressive. But at most moon level. Maybe small planetary. Even that is pushing it.
@mlgthelegend5194 no character in fiction is faster than Saitama, he's may as well have toon force, he may as well be a 5th dimensional imp, not even a god more like THE god. Aka goku's daddy 😂
0:43 You can't really use the destruction of the planet Viltrum to scale their power level, as Viltrum is the most durable planet in the verse, requiring a hit by Space Racer's gun to even attempt its destruction.
If drive knight, child emperor, and dr.bofoi had info on mark wouldn't they exploit the frequency that'll paralyze viltrumites tho? And the viltrumite equalbrilium thing
king would win because his power to have a bald man who happens to be there somehow breaking to 1v1 status of the fight one one punching mark likely calling him a jerk as his eggs were smashed. also drive knight and even more so metal knight would go either way as with the nature of how they fight they have a high chance to end on a weakness especially with metal knight as the actual guy would be underground in hiding sending out his army of robots each more adept to play on marks weakness, however if he is found mark would win it all depends on if mark finds him before he finds a way to kill mark, also if we go on web comic or not as (SPOILER) metal knight has Boros basically as his mindless drone and if he was used he would have the ap to kill mark on top of the army and hax of metal knight but mostly i agree i just think the nature of these fighters need to be looked at different as they approach combat different
@@JaymerFIll Cosmic Garou, Saitama, Blast and God definitely solo the verse, but in another story if we don't include them. Admirals and Yonko level characters can be anything between *Multi-Continent Level* to *Moon Level* with At least *FTL+* Speed, something beyond your regular S-Class or Demon Level Monster. You are going to need the likes or Tatsumaki, Monster Garou, Orochi, Lord Boros, Sage Centipede and Evil Natural Water to defeat people like Akainu or Kaido.
Mark, omni Man, and thetus (dunno if I said that right) were all not at their peak due to them fighting other viltrumites, I wish people stop over looking that
Yea and Thaedus was the only one who was scared they were going to die (he is the weakest of the three). The others were just like ok and during the sequence Thaedus said they need all of them but Allen and Tech Jacket were grabbed away. He said that they needed to hit the planet at the same time as space lazers gun but they didn't and even though Thaedus said they were in danger of dying they were left unscathed. Also the calc on VSBW is flawed and lowballs the feat because they don't want to estimate a timeframe for KE (which if done would get them to planet-large planet due to how fast and how far the fragments of the planet were blasted).
@@channeled. They blew apart the planet so violently that they individually scale to Large Planetary using KE and very high into Small Planet using GBE, to where Thragg would upscale to Planetary-Large Planet to Dwarf Star seeing how he crushed Thaedus's skull.
I think the abilities for Viltrumites are often boiled down to speed and strength without remembering that they can survive with their guts ripped out and then heal back stronger. That said, I think the analysis, especially if we were talking about a single fight, is spot on. If Mark was heavily damaged over several fights and survived, he would come back much stronger. Saitama would fold him though.
Blast neg diffs the whole verse. It's only close till Tatsumaki. Blast has higher dimensional hax and probably ap, there's no way Mark is touching him.
You keep using the intergalactic travel as a measure of FTL speed in the Invincible universe IIRC, the Viltrumites use biotech to create wormholes. That's what I've seen on other vids covering the subject. Is this not the case?
they don't use biotech. In the guidebook it says their smart atoms allow them to teleport a short distance as they fly (never shown in comic but ok). This only applies to viltrumites but Allen was stated to be able to react at his flight speed in the guidebook and he was shown dodging the path of a viltrumite ship while both were mid flight and the viltrumites perceived him as they flew and came out to fight him. Allen was shown to be relative to viltrumites so their reactions scale
@@akasakasad6271 yeah, although allen is not a viltrumite, a weaker allen could travel entire galaxies in months, and this weaker allen got negged diffed and outclassed by fodder viltrumites, also there was a part in the comic when they show how a robot machine camera that tracked a dude that fight so fast even slowed down it looked blurred, also robot states that those fighting speeds are close to viltrumites
Good video! Very fun watch, but invincible is heavily downplayed. Before I touch on that I do want to address what’s shown in the video. Firstly, Thaddeus was the weakest one there and was *wrong* about the number of people they needed to planet bust in the first place. The plan was for 5 people, but it went down to 3 with really only Invincible and Omniman being strong in this scenario, so it was really just them two. Thaddeus saying they’d die on impact if the core was stabilized should be taken with a grain of salt considering he was heavily wrong about something so major as the number of people needed. And while yes, the planet was unstable, it’s important to realize what caused that, space racer’s weapon. It’s stated to be capable of destroying stars and is consistently 1 shotting everything it comes into contact with in the comic except for planet viltrum. It only destabilizes it. If you were to believe the Viltrumites are planetary, it would make sense for the planet to be this strong, to endure the blows from these planetary individuals. Lastly, they weren’t KO’d from it, idk where you got that from. They are briefly stunned and then instantly recover and fight as if nothing happened (I mean nothing very literally lol, the planet exploding seemed to be a minor inconvenience.) There’s multiple interviews where the creators say invincible and co can destroy planets and can deal with people who can destroy planets in 1v1s. It’s only come up 3 times but in those 3 times the answer is the same and consistent. “Well how will I ever to top this, what can I do after that. Then you know, like dumb things like, well I don’t know, they punch a planet and it blew up.” - Robert Kirkman, the invincible podcast episode 50 (It’s right here on UA-cam actually) “But a lot of what people point to with Invincible are the super heroics, the crazy violence, the punching through planets (etc)…”- The interviewer. In response, Robert Kirkman says “Yeah.” Robert Kirkman on Invincible on sktched. There’s also multiple statements from the creators that these characters can beat or are equal with characters such as Hulk and Superman. The intention is clearly here. This is supported by things shown inside comics. Allen is stated to be capable of planet busting by going FTL. They can planet bust via speed alone. Null is stated to be a planet eater and tech jacket can hold his own against Null. Tech Jacket is fodder to invincible yet can still hold his own against a guy who eats planets for breakfast. Allen says his home world was completely destroyed by viltrumites, he later confirms in that same conversation there is nothing to go back to. This implies the viltrumites planet busted. Anissa states they will destroy earth when all its resources are used up, consistent with the Allen stuff. Battle Beast says him and Thragg fighting will cause a planet bust. Thragg states 37 fodder viltrumites together can “tear earth apart” I think EOS Timeskip Invincible should be casually planetary to potentially dwarf star lvl. This is all without crossovers. With crossovers (which are canon, confirmed MULTIPLE times) there’s a serious argument for *universal* invincible which would make him a match for a pre-Garou fight *Saitama* (Assuming we use Saitama’s highest scaling)
I dont even think for omni man it would take everyone it would just take tatsumaki if not tatsumaki could just hold omni man and invincible while the other s class heroes blitz them and thats not even blast included
Haven’t caught up just yet, but I thought the deal with Zombieman is that physically he’s more like A-class, but his ridiculous regen and persistence have earned him an S-class spot When has he ever pulled off a town level/hypersonic feat?
What’s really going on with king, that beating sound is him being terrified, he’s actually as strong as a normal person, it’s just the reason why he’s a s class is because he’s insanely lucky, to the point he pratically wins in every battle from unintentional intimidation
the fodder of the globe are a super weak team compared to the s class and they could give Omniman a bad time, and suddenly Invincible is defeating most of the S class? Yaeh no the combat speed of the S class generally scales higher, because of the several demon level threats being able to dode light attacks early in the story, like awakened cockroach (a demon level threat). Invincible never seemed to be as fast, he could flight fast. But never fight that fast.
Heavy downplay on the S class speed. Regardless I think the only S Class heroes that are really relevant against Mark is amped up Metal Bat, Genos, Tatsumaki, and Blast (he destroys) in actual combat. Zombie man has the outlast wincon, Atomic Samurai atomic slashes are a real threat if they land and Bang if he gets some good reflections.
I'd say Genos could deal more damage to Mark,making it a high diff win to Mark. Psykosorochii is literally Psykos+Orochii+God amp. The same Orochii was strong enought zo tear a huge chunk off the earth's core and spread earth wild eartquake,the lowest calch to this is multi continental,but generally,this feat is moon to small planet level. And with the fusion,Psykosorochii massively upscales to this,making her small planetary at least. Genos countering the leasers is small planet bcz of that. And Blast is multi solar system level
Some corrections here. All S class at minimum low MHS+ on average and Darkshine is relavastic+ or if high ball light speed+. Average speed for higher S class are relavastic-FTL+. Edit:Agree with most of the damage and speeds just clearing up stuff for repliers or readers.
No bro just no. lower versions of genos literally dodged light speed beams and garou was able to fight with him after being upgraded and then garou got stronger and faster and fought with darkshine and he was able to keep up until garou got even stronger and faster. This literally puts him over the speed of light . I dont fucking know where you got the idea of most s class being MHS+ but you are on crack
@@DominicRuiz23 I meant the lower. Also dodging light feats are unreliable if you wanted to count it, It doesn't apply anything accurate to scaling. Dodging light since Genos wasn't even dodging a character that was MHS+ previously just doesn't line up. I never said anything about the higher level S class. But Flashy flash scales to FTL (200-400 light speed) Tatsuamaki (1-30) Genos (1-30) Darkshine (.5 - 20) Bang (1-50) Blast (10000-unknown) Including the light speed dodging for Genos just messes them all up. Also Atomic Samurai it makes sense reacting to it easily but Genos at the time was no where close to Atomic. It just isn't reliable and only people who want to upscale OPM characters use the genos one. I said this cause he put the lower ones at the sub sonic+ -hyper but even tanktop master, prisoner dude, and fatgod have MHS+ feats with town-cityblock AP.
@@Daemo_alt awakened cockroach was literally light speed. And it was obviously easy for atomic to hit that light beam. And idk wtf you are talking about when it comes to flashy as he garou and plat s literally creating light constellations while fighting. You’re underrating the verse so hard it’s funny
@@DominicRuiz23 Yes the light structure was calculated as 200-400 light speed before flashy left. Awakened cockroach was self proclaimed. Your overrating the verse so hard its funny.
Mark has always been holding his power because he didn't want to kill anyone. He's much stronger than he shows, Evil Marks from other universes are the evidence
@@monofolk3948 him dodging a laser doesn’t equal to him being as fast as that laser i feel like there is a lack of speed feats for genos he definitely is powerful tho
@@onepain2217 I know most of the Evil Marks are stronger than most of OPM but it's hard to guage their powers when some of the Evil Marks were killed by Street Level Image Comic Heroes that Mark would beat. Like can Witchblade and Savage Dragon even beat Invincible? They both killed two Evil Marks
I don't understand how both the sub and dub are available for OPM, and you guys still can't pronounce Genos' name right. It's not Jee-noss, it's Jeh-nose.
@@Am_Cookie2436The animation is on animatt channel. He makes really dope stuff like monster garou vs boros, monster garou vs Saitama, and his latest is superman vs Saitama part one
Tatsumaki has a barrier surrounding her at all times. So unless he can break that barrier in one-shot, he can't blitz her. And Blast would blitz HIM instead.
@@CommentPositionInformer i get u on the tatsumaki point but no s-class hero is getting close to invincible speed blast is, as far as we know, a few times faster than light, while invincible is a few *thousand* times faster than light
@@mamgl22 Lol. Blast kept up with Garou, who has a baseline 1700x the Speed of Light via feats on Io. And he is likely far faster than that. In the timeframe before Saitama and Garou's fists collided, Blast was able to see it happening, decide that it was too much for Earth, clash his own fists AND send Garou and Saitama to space before their attacks met.
Ngl robot aint touchin genos and he dogged everyone in invincible, tatsumaki obliterated the earth king with a thought and he was the standin parody for godzilla, mark got ragdolled by weaker kaiju tatsumaki is also stronger than full power shigeki from mob psycho 100, mark could win around the point of the thragg fight
Invincible unless he has knowledge of all the hero’s arsenals would very likely try to block atomic samurai, but even then blast or even tatsumaki solos
so u think mark fighting thragg = universal their ass struggle to destroy planets let alone they struggle against viltrumites which are a bunch of mountain to small planet or small planet to planetary and even with that blast would still stomp lol
Good video but WTH ???? Planetary Tatsumaki ?? she's at best multi-continental Sub relativistic+/ftl Genos is only continental when he uses his ultimate attack, that's why his stamina doesn't last long ftl too, Flashy flash isn't ftl+ only ftl , Blast isn't MTFL/MFTL+ and solar system in ap, that doesn't make sense, he used his hax to redirect the garou's attacks, same for EV, he's not 5D or 4D in ap, it's a "HAX". that's like saying Dio has inaccessible speed bc of his time stop ability, or maybe you're trying to wank them for the sake of the fight , in which case it's fine.
Blast was faster than CG and Saitama, that alone puts him in MFTL+ range, and Blast has 4D hax like hyperspace gates, and Empty Void can eat any 3d verse
Shitty scaling. Mark is nowhere near planetary. To do what he did to viltrum he needed 2 other guys who were around his level and Space Racer's gun that can go through anything. That did most of the trick as it maed the core unstable enough for them to punch through. Had they been caught in the blast radios they would've still died. Also also Is we go by the calcs of a character like Golden Sperm who Is 43 trillion Black Sperms merged together, he would be continental or multicontinental. Each of the Black Sperm copies was said to be as Strong as an A class hero. Characters that are around to that level of power should be comparable to Invincible or able to harm him, from the tier of Darkshine and Above. It seems pretty far fetched the S class wouldnt do any damage, when fodder characters like the Mauler Twins or Robot's robots can harm him. And he might flight fast but his combat speed was never impressive in his series. Also Genos May have some of the greatest attack potency, but he isn't as powerful as Tatsumaki. And im not sure Mark break Tatsumaki's barrier. So nah shitty vid.
@@rhemv It's bs. Bro I don't see Invincicuck outperforming characters Above Darkshine, maybe end of the series Mark can do that but the rest of the S class should handle viltrumites pretty effectively.
I really don't understand why people keep doing their versus hypotheticals.
King exist.
No one beats him.
He solos your verse.
Just accept it already.
Mosquitos is enough
Nah sailor moon claps
@@Weedweaver0 bro she claps both verses, quite easily
@@Weedweaver0 Gets clapped* (if yk, yk)
Fr King solos
When there is Blast, its not close
Blast is like he's from another verse 😂
Viltrumites can kill themselves by entering black holes (Omni Man was gonna) so Blast can teleport viltrumites Angstrom style right into a supermassive black hole (potentially destroying the planet as well)
@@vectorrondon5852 He doesn't even need too. He can make black holes and completely manipulate the cosmos. Blast was holding back when fighting Cosmic fear Garou. He has AP at minimum Solar and speed from thousands to possibly millions or more the speed of light.
Blast could of provided a good fight if he wasn't worried about the planets safety.
I think you meant to say "When there is King, it's not close"
@@Daemo_altBlast more like Multi Galaxy lol
Man, all of viltrumites won't even clear B Class. There's this bald guy with a cape who they can never ever do any kind of scratch.
Pretty sure saitama is A class now 👍
@@linkedRealities yaboy
Bro the average Viltrumite eats all S-Class except for Tatsumaki and Blast...more than one Viltrumite is overkill, Tatsumaki wouldn't win if they ganged up on her. Blast easily could though. Saitama is just straight up overkill. He's causes all Viltrumites to go exctinct in his sleep.
@Infinity_7_7 Bro, learn how to read, we’re talking about the S-Class.
@Infinity_7_7 👍
Blast > Viltrumites
Lol
@@jashthemad5 Blast solos lol
@@ezekielguy402 too bad he doesn’t hahaha
@@jashthemad5 Hed get blitzed and endured
@@jashthemad5 Blast has too much in his arsenal, he can use his abilities to instantly neg mark, and can manipulate space-time, which mark has no asnwer for
The massive downplay of several S-class is real.
Also Tatsumaki is so much stronger than Genos, putting them on the same level is insulting.
can you read? they was not the same level 😭
(This comment is kinda funny cause it sounds like tats wrote it)
He heavily downplayed invincible much more than he could any OPM character
@@Chckster I don't see much downplay
1:08 this feat has Been constantly debunked. Invincible characters don't scale to this. The author and in the comic itself it's stated they can only fly that fast because of the vacuum and zero gravity on space. It basically allows them to perpetually propel themselves forward at higher and higher speeds without ever slowing down or stopping unless they themselves do.
They literally cannot fly or scale to this within any planet's atmosphere
The only reason they can react to that speed in space is because it's mostly empty and the only thing they'd have to worry about crashing into is planets which are massive rocks they could see from billions of miles away.
They're consistently relativistic to FTL at most.
King clears whole verse
It's an insult to King to even compare him to this verse
Anti humor go crazy
Kings power is Saitama. Whenever King is in actual danger, Saitama just appears and punches or sometimes kicks the attacker. So yeah, any fight against king is just a fight against Saitama.
@@angrymeowngi Not true, King actually has a power called the King Engine, it basically makes him extremely lucky and has things play out in his favor. Saitama killing monsters and King getting the credit was the luck/convenience from the King Engine. Not to mention, in the manga, King acts like he's using an ultimate move against homeless emperor and golden sperm, funny enough, Garou comes dashing through taking them all out for King. This was luck and convenience , the other heroes thinking that it was King's "Ultimate move", when it was just luck or luck that he controls. Apparently he can control situations to a certain extent/make convenient/lucky things happen for him when he needs it.
@@Jbird7777I wouldn’t say king engine is a power since it’s just his heartbeat increasing when he is stressed
Ngl I'd like to see an evil mark making a scene on opm verse
Empty void would not let him steal his spotlight he will get rid of him with one move 💀
Blast is more than just Solar System, he is 5D
He is kit 5e he's galaxy at high ball
He does have 5d hacks but that doesn't scale to ap
@@michaelbraxton137
Galaxy level with 4D/5D hax
He's very much a 3D human with maybe galaxy AP
He still has multisolar system AP but really good hax
King just summon saitama and wins
Yall kinda downplayed blast cause the serious punch² is actually multi galaxy levels of power that he contained some of that power in another dimension wh8le sending the rest out into space that wiped out stars and galactic bodies so yea
Speed is travel speed tho them flying through space and we haven't seen Mark do the same travel speed even if he is equal to Omni man. In space there is no friction or stop in momentum or speed. Light speed or faster than light probably but nothing pass that
We don't even have a concrete time period or took him. If he went there without stopping
we literally KNOW it took omniman 1 week to get there, but i digress.
Allen after healing from the three viltrumites attacking him is relative to omniman, and his reaction and combat speed is stated directly proportionate to his travel speed, quote: "His reflexes are enhanced in direct proportion to the speeds attained, enabling him to perform complex aerial maneuvers with ease".
even without that
Allen travelled from outside of the solar system to earth in 12 minutes calculated at 60,000 times FTL
Yes he would be faster in space due to there being no air resistance and the fact he can accelerate for more time, but he wouldn't be tens of thousands of times slower so he should still mostly scale to it,
And although i don't really use calculation scaling too much due to inconsistency, the invincible verse being in the FTL-MFTL ranges is very consistent when you look at other feats.
doesn’t matter. It is already confirmed their travel speed is equal to combat in invincible universe. Most of OPM verse gets blitz
@Infinity_7_7 what does “Most” mean to you.
@@akasakasad6271 No it isn't? Show me evidence that their travel speed is equal to combat speed.
All jokes aside, there's no way the Viltrumites could win against King.
The scales for some of the s class heroes are generally just not good or just low balls. Most if not all of them are ftl or relativistic at least. And bang being able to keep up with a garou who has mftl speed and at times out speeding and outclassing garou would make him mftl and same with any other high s class
No S class outside of Blast is mftl
@@yeikelamores6085 garou during his fight with flashy and platinum s has calcs to mftl or at least ftl+ lowballed. And both bang and flashy scale relative to him.
@@hunterdavis-pz9jl 1-mftl is Wank and FTL+ is a High ball .
2-Bang fought a much weaker version of Garou than the one that made the constellation and Not even Flashy scales to the second constellation, since it was done after being defeated and his speed increased significantly.
The Omniman speed feat is actually inflated as he didn’t actually travel to different galaxy cluster. We don’t know where he went as we are literally in that same galaxy cluster
don't forget that he was traveling in a vacuum
tatsumaki downplay sadly. her telekinesis is debatably able to go through gojo’s infinity, it’s practically instant and invincible has no resistance to psychic powers, so there’s nothing preventing tatsumaki from throwing him repeatedly into planets until he eventually dies. this is excluding the fact that she could probably just telekinetically snap his spine and turn him into a vegetable. tatsumaki just counters mark in every way. it’s most likely a tatsumaki low diff
yeah its in the video that she has dura neg and wins
@@rhemvhow is a potential one tap extreme diff though that’s hella downplay
@@pwnser other win cons are presented besides dura neg , marks speed is above so she cannot just grab him and one tap
never scale again 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@bbrr5492 you have ZERO impact on wether we scale or not
@@rhemv You are fine I just think you underestimated the speed advantage. Mark should beat tatsumaki mid diff if these feats are correct, and everyone weaker gets no diffed (genos gets no-low diffed).
King:I-i thought you were stronger..
Its crazy how literally no one in the UA-cam scaling community ever uses the Large Planet Tick feat
And this was early Mark
Blast still soloes ofc, but still good video!
I still don't understand how they get large planet with that, small planet looks more consistent
No that was the combined effort of 3 viltrumites and the planet already being destabilized. It was stated in the comics how they had to time it perfectly or the impact would heavily injure if not kill them. Don't get me wrong highly impressive. But at most moon level. Maybe small planetary. Even that is pushing it.
Buddy, he needed 2 other viltrumites (Omni-man and Thadeus) to do that, and the Viltrum's core was already weak, if it didnt then they will die
Stop wanking mark. He is not large planet.
Blast was already holding off cosmic garou well, even if he unleashed gamma ray, blast would blip it no diff.
Bro even dehydrated deep see king was massively hypersonic
This mf is drastically underrating s class speed
pig man is not immearsuable
@@rhemvhe's faster than saitama fr
@mlgthelegend5194 no character in fiction is faster than Saitama, he's may as well have toon force, he may as well be a 5th dimensional imp, not even a god more like THE god. Aka goku's daddy 😂
@@blackcloud9636delusional
@@blackcloud9636The most delusional comment of 2024, please tell me that was clickbait
0:43 You can't really use the destruction of the planet Viltrum to scale their power level, as Viltrum is the most durable planet in the verse, requiring a hit by Space Racer's gun to even attempt its destruction.
lol
King, Watchdog man, tatsumaki and blast are enough
If drive knight, child emperor, and dr.bofoi had info on mark wouldn't they exploit the frequency that'll paralyze viltrumites tho? And the viltrumite equalbrilium thing
was mentioned
Blast is so slept on he could solo the the viltrumites
Bro basically the whole video: bUt MaRk Is Faster
Truly amazing
king would win because his power to have a bald man who happens to be there somehow breaking to 1v1 status of the fight one one punching mark likely calling him a jerk as his eggs were smashed. also drive knight and even more so metal knight would go either way as with the nature of how they fight they have a high chance to end on a weakness especially with metal knight as the actual guy would be underground in hiding sending out his army of robots each more adept to play on marks weakness, however if he is found mark would win it all depends on if mark finds him before he finds a way to kill mark, also if we go on web comic or not as (SPOILER) metal knight has Boros basically as his mindless drone and if he was used he would have the ap to kill mark on top of the army and hax of metal knight but mostly i agree i just think the nature of these fighters need to be looked at different as they approach combat different
Would depen if Blast is part of the fight.
How about Kaido (One Piece) VS Orochi (One-Punch Man)?
i'd say Orochi wins, opm is just a way stronger verse than one piece
Orochi if we include the Gaia cannon he easily takes it
@@Anthonnnnn that be over kill :V
@@JaymerFIll Cosmic Garou, Saitama, Blast and God definitely solo the verse, but in another story if we don't include them.
Admirals and Yonko level characters can be anything between *Multi-Continent Level* to *Moon Level* with At least *FTL+* Speed, something beyond your regular S-Class or Demon Level Monster.
You are going to need the likes or Tatsumaki, Monster Garou, Orochi, Lord Boros, Sage Centipede and Evil Natural Water to defeat people like Akainu or Kaido.
Mark, omni Man, and thetus (dunno if I said that right) were all not at their peak due to them fighting other viltrumites, I wish people stop over looking that
Yea and Thaedus was the only one who was scared they were going to die (he is the weakest of the three). The others were just like ok and during the sequence Thaedus said they need all of them but Allen and Tech Jacket were grabbed away. He said that they needed to hit the planet at the same time as space lazers gun but they didn't and even though Thaedus said they were in danger of dying they were left unscathed. Also the calc on VSBW is flawed and lowballs the feat because they don't want to estimate a timeframe for KE (which if done would get them to planet-large planet due to how fast and how far the fragments of the planet were blasted).
@@fusionprime241...they still don't scale to planetary 😂
@@channeled. They blew apart the planet so violently that they individually scale to Large Planetary using KE and very high into Small Planet using GBE, to where Thragg would upscale to Planetary-Large Planet to Dwarf Star seeing how he crushed Thaedus's skull.
invincible blitzes
Awesome Vid I'mma Subscribe! 😎👍
Blast solos😭
9:56 sorta like cecil and his army of amidroid thingys
You should put Kratos for some typa Match up🙏
I think the abilities for Viltrumites are often boiled down to speed and strength without remembering that they can survive with their guts ripped out and then heal back stronger. That said, I think the analysis, especially if we were talking about a single fight, is spot on. If Mark was heavily damaged over several fights and survived, he would come back much stronger. Saitama would fold him though.
Blast neg diffs the whole verse. It's only close till Tatsumaki. Blast has higher dimensional hax and probably ap, there's no way Mark is touching him.
Least delusional invincible fan like the author imagining invincible could beat superman
People love to quote that out of contest. But the author of Invincible said right after that he was joking.
Someone already made a fananimation where omniman takes on all of the s class heros at once exept from blast
You keep using the intergalactic travel as a measure of FTL speed in the Invincible universe
IIRC, the Viltrumites use biotech to create wormholes. That's what I've seen on other vids covering the subject. Is this not the case?
No they use smart Atoms to create wormholes when they travel at FTL speeds not biotech.
they don't use biotech. In the guidebook it says their smart atoms allow them to teleport a short distance as they fly (never shown in comic but ok). This only applies to viltrumites but Allen was stated to be able to react at his flight speed in the guidebook and he was shown dodging the path of a viltrumite ship while both were mid flight and the viltrumites perceived him as they flew and came out to fight him. Allen was shown to be relative to viltrumites so their reactions scale
@@fusionprime241so viltrumites also has flight-reaction speed due to time dilation or something, its in a comicvine thread or post
irrelevant, flight speed is said to be equal to combat speed for invincible verse anyways
@@akasakasad6271 yeah, although allen is not a viltrumite, a weaker allen could travel entire galaxies in months, and this weaker allen got negged diffed and outclassed by fodder viltrumites, also there was a part in the comic when they show how a robot machine camera that tracked a dude that fight so fast even slowed down it looked blurred, also robot states that those fighting speeds are close to viltrumites
Good video! Very fun watch, but invincible is heavily downplayed.
Before I touch on that I do want to address what’s shown in the video.
Firstly, Thaddeus was the weakest one there and was *wrong* about the number of people they needed to planet bust in the first place. The plan was for 5 people, but it went down to 3 with really only Invincible and Omniman being strong in this scenario, so it was really just them two. Thaddeus saying they’d die on impact if the core was stabilized should be taken with a grain of salt considering he was heavily wrong about something so major as the number of people needed.
And while yes, the planet was unstable, it’s important to realize what caused that, space racer’s weapon. It’s stated to be capable of destroying stars and is consistently 1 shotting everything it comes into contact with in the comic except for planet viltrum. It only destabilizes it. If you were to believe the Viltrumites are planetary, it would make sense for the planet to be this strong, to endure the blows from these planetary individuals.
Lastly, they weren’t KO’d from it, idk where you got that from. They are briefly stunned and then instantly recover and fight as if nothing happened (I mean nothing very literally lol, the planet exploding seemed to be a minor inconvenience.)
There’s multiple interviews where the creators say invincible and co can destroy planets and can deal with people who can destroy planets in 1v1s. It’s only come up 3 times but in those 3 times the answer is the same and consistent.
“Well how will I ever to top this, what can I do after that. Then you know, like dumb things like, well I don’t know, they punch a planet and it blew up.” - Robert Kirkman, the invincible podcast episode 50 (It’s right here on UA-cam actually)
“But a lot of what people point to with Invincible are the super heroics, the crazy violence, the punching through planets (etc)…”- The interviewer. In response, Robert Kirkman says “Yeah.” Robert Kirkman on Invincible on sktched.
There’s also multiple statements from the creators that these characters can beat or are equal with characters such as Hulk and Superman. The intention is clearly here.
This is supported by things shown inside comics.
Allen is stated to be capable of planet busting by going FTL. They can planet bust via speed alone.
Null is stated to be a planet eater and tech jacket can hold his own against Null. Tech Jacket is fodder to invincible yet can still hold his own against a guy who eats planets for breakfast.
Allen says his home world was completely destroyed by viltrumites, he later confirms in that same conversation there is nothing to go back to. This implies the viltrumites planet busted.
Anissa states they will destroy earth when all its resources are used up, consistent with the Allen stuff.
Battle Beast says him and Thragg fighting will cause a planet bust.
Thragg states 37 fodder viltrumites together can “tear earth apart”
I think EOS Timeskip Invincible should be casually planetary to potentially dwarf star lvl.
This is all without crossovers. With crossovers (which are canon, confirmed MULTIPLE times) there’s a serious argument for *universal* invincible which would make him a match for a pre-Garou fight *Saitama* (Assuming we use Saitama’s highest scaling)
I dont even think for omni man it would take everyone it would just take tatsumaki if not tatsumaki could just hold omni man and invincible while the other s class heroes blitz them and thats not even blast included
Haven’t caught up just yet, but I thought the deal with Zombieman is that physically he’s more like A-class, but his ridiculous regen and persistence have earned him an S-class spot
When has he ever pulled off a town level/hypersonic feat?
8:14 LMAO THATS THE ONLY THING YOU CAN SAY ABOUT KING. HES JUST SOMETHING ELSE.
What’s really going on with king, that beating sound is him being terrified, he’s actually as strong as a normal person, it’s just the reason why he’s a s class is because he’s insanely lucky, to the point he pratically wins in every battle from unintentional intimidation
Blast solos them all. He is at minimum multi solar ap and at most possibly Galaxy-Universe
the fodder of the globe are a super weak team compared to the s class and they could give Omniman a bad time, and suddenly Invincible is defeating most of the S class?
Yaeh no
the combat speed of the S class generally scales higher, because of the several demon level threats being able to dode light attacks early in the story, like awakened cockroach (a demon level threat).
Invincible never seemed to be as fast, he could flight fast. But never fight that fast.
Heavy downplay on the S class speed. Regardless I think the only S Class heroes that are really relevant against Mark is amped up Metal Bat, Genos, Tatsumaki, and Blast (he destroys) in actual combat. Zombie man has the outlast wincon, Atomic Samurai atomic slashes are a real threat if they land and Bang if he gets some good reflections.
They each got planetary ap
The speed gap is way too much even if the AP isn't for some.
Good i agree with 90% of this very good keep it up
At a low end blast is multi planetary with FTL+ speed
I'd say Genos could deal more damage to Mark,making it a high diff win to Mark.
Psykosorochii is literally Psykos+Orochii+God amp.
The same Orochii was strong enought zo tear a huge chunk off the earth's core and spread earth wild eartquake,the lowest calch to this is multi continental,but generally,this feat is moon to small planet level.
And with the fusion,Psykosorochii massively upscales to this,making her small planetary at least. Genos countering the leasers is small planet bcz of that.
And Blast is multi solar system level
Some corrections here. All S class at minimum low MHS+ on average and Darkshine is relavastic+ or if high ball light speed+. Average speed for higher S class are relavastic-FTL+.
Edit:Agree with most of the damage and speeds just clearing up stuff for repliers or readers.
extremely generous
No bro just no. lower versions of genos literally dodged light speed beams and garou was able to fight with him after being upgraded and then garou got stronger and faster and fought with darkshine and he was able to keep up until garou got even stronger and faster. This literally puts him over the speed of light . I dont fucking know where you got the idea of most s class being MHS+ but you are on crack
@@DominicRuiz23 I meant the lower. Also dodging light feats are unreliable if you wanted to count it, It doesn't apply anything accurate to scaling. Dodging light since Genos wasn't even dodging a character that was MHS+ previously just doesn't line up.
I never said anything about the higher level S class. But Flashy flash scales to FTL (200-400 light speed) Tatsuamaki (1-30) Genos (1-30) Darkshine (.5 - 20) Bang (1-50) Blast (10000-unknown) Including the light speed dodging for Genos just messes them all up.
Also Atomic Samurai it makes sense reacting to it easily but Genos at the time was no where close to Atomic. It just isn't reliable and only people who want to upscale OPM characters use the genos one.
I said this cause he put the lower ones at the sub sonic+ -hyper but even tanktop master, prisoner dude, and fatgod have MHS+ feats with town-cityblock AP.
@@Daemo_alt awakened cockroach was literally light speed. And it was obviously easy for atomic to hit that light beam. And idk wtf you are talking about when it comes to flashy as he garou and plat s literally creating light constellations while fighting. You’re underrating the verse so hard it’s funny
@@DominicRuiz23 Yes the light structure was calculated as 200-400 light speed before flashy left. Awakened cockroach was self proclaimed. Your overrating the verse so hard its funny.
I agree with most of the ranking here
Mark never really showed any reaction speed fit, viltrumites not dodging a normal speed attacks is very common.
He would get instantly killed by blast its not even funnt
King would just have to summon his stand SAI TAMA and the stand alone would stomp neg diff for sure
Ain't gonna like... Getting to Metal Bat just made me loose complete interest in your scalings
@@JohnnySarz dislike and move on
@@rhemv "made me loose interest" doesn't mean I hate it enough to dislike. I simply left the video once I wasn't interested
@@JohnnySarz ok
Well made video
Does this video really beed to be made? We all know king solos everyone.
King solos fiction😂
Could you guys do hashira vs upper moons? Like who you Think would win? In the Demon slayer verse. Like giomey vs akaza would be cool
I mean I do not trust fucking mark he gets absolutely destroyed by 95% of the ppl he fights
Mark has always been holding his power because he didn't want to kill anyone. He's much stronger than he shows, Evil Marks from other universes are the evidence
One sided fight good vid. Just don’t think genos scales to light speed
Oh he absolutely does.
Especially his 10 second mode.
@@monofolk3948 him dodging a laser doesn’t equal to him being as fast as that laser i feel like there is a lack of speed feats for genos he definitely is powerful tho
W🔥🔥
didin't do all together hmm
lol
I FUCKING LOVE THIS VID
W vid as always
How would the OPM Earth stand against Angstrom Levy and the Evil Marks?
Blast and would be a nightmare for Levy And evil mark still getting sitted like a child
@@onepain2217 I know most of the Evil Marks are stronger than most of OPM but it's hard to guage their powers when some of the Evil Marks were killed by Street Level Image Comic Heroes that Mark would beat. Like can Witchblade and Savage Dragon even beat Invincible? They both killed two Evil Marks
I don't understand how both the sub and dub are available for OPM, and you guys still can't pronounce Genos' name right. It's not Jee-noss, it's Jeh-nose.
i do not care
Theres actually a really good omni man vs s class heroes animation on youtube if you just look up the keywords
And...what are the key words?
@@Am_Cookie2436 probably something like omniman vs s class heroes
@@Am_Cookie2436 the dude's name is AniMatt
@@Am_Cookie2436The animation is on animatt channel. He makes really dope stuff like monster garou vs boros, monster garou vs Saitama, and his latest is superman vs Saitama part one
@@OyinkansolaAgboola I see, thanks man
Marks speed and his fighting style are different, he’s fast but not with fist.
2 weeks ago im so late
Why not use emperor end of comic Mark?
flashy flash is lie 5 thousand times the speed of light lol
Bro they destroyed by group not alone so how
Medaka Kurokami Vs Chainsaw Man Devils
wouldnt invincible just blitz all of em?
Tatsumaki has a barrier surrounding her at all times. So unless he can break that barrier in one-shot, he can't blitz her.
And Blast would blitz HIM instead.
@@CommentPositionInformer i get u on the tatsumaki point but no s-class hero is getting close to invincible speed
blast is, as far as we know, a few times faster than light, while invincible is a few *thousand* times faster than light
@@mamgl22
Lol. Blast kept up with Garou, who has a baseline 1700x the Speed of Light via feats on Io.
And he is likely far faster than that. In the timeframe before Saitama and Garou's fists collided, Blast was able to see it happening, decide that it was too much for Earth, clash his own fists AND send Garou and Saitama to space before their attacks met.
Ngl robot aint touchin genos and he dogged everyone in invincible, tatsumaki obliterated the earth king with a thought and he was the standin parody for godzilla, mark got ragdolled by weaker kaiju tatsumaki is also stronger than full power shigeki from mob psycho 100, mark could win around the point of the thragg fight
Are those... VSBATTLES WIKI STATS FOR THE S-CLASS???
@@kaiserquasar3178 no
@@rhemv ok lol good one
S-class well half if not less can take the W
Invincible unless he has knowledge of all the hero’s arsenals would very likely try to block atomic samurai, but even then blast or even tatsumaki solos
Top But mark planetary level+
Travel speed doesn’t equal combat speed alot of these are wrong
The weakest s class > The whole verse
did you not watch the video?
@VishyFishyDantaluri
Yes.
Mark is only city to Moon level.
Well S class scales above that
Hella cap.
@@Somtejesstudiosblud did NOT watch the video 😭
@@jxced1tz tatsumaki alone solos
Wrong not the more damage he gets but the more battle spirited he gets and like vegeta? Dont you mean like UE
12:05 rar lol
King stomps
These got to be some of the worst takes i have heard for powerscaling OPM and invincible lmaoo
say "jee-nos" again
King would actually win.
Dawg💀 full power comic mark I easily universal
so u think mark fighting thragg = universal their ass struggle to destroy planets let alone they struggle against viltrumites which are a bunch of mountain to small planet or small planet to planetary and even with that blast would still stomp lol
atleast saitama is a better version of viltrumites being immune to pretty much anything like energy , poison and space vacuum
You just got a new subscriber.....ME
Nah, mark losing to buch of cybrogs
First like
Good video but WTH ???? Planetary Tatsumaki ?? she's at best multi-continental Sub relativistic+/ftl
Genos is only continental when he uses his ultimate attack, that's why his stamina doesn't last long ftl too, Flashy flash isn't ftl+ only ftl , Blast isn't MTFL/MFTL+ and solar system in ap, that doesn't make sense, he used his hax to redirect the garou's attacks, same for EV, he's not 5D or 4D in ap, it's a "HAX". that's like saying Dio has inaccessible speed bc of his time stop ability, or maybe you're trying to wank them for the sake of the fight , in which case it's fine.
Blast was faster than CG and Saitama, that alone puts him in MFTL+ range, and Blast has 4D hax like hyperspace gates, and Empty Void can eat any 3d verse
@African-AmericanGoose
Hax can scale lil bro. Accept this.
@African-AmericanGoose
No, you just have to accept the fact that OPM characters are stronger and underestimated.
Bro's coping
Anybody around the level of tatsumaki is clapping the verse. Blast is overkill
Shitty scaling.
Mark is nowhere near planetary.
To do what he did to viltrum he needed 2 other guys who were around his level and Space Racer's gun that can go through anything. That did most of the trick as it maed the core unstable enough for them to punch through. Had they been caught in the blast radios they would've still died.
Also also Is we go by the calcs of a character like Golden Sperm who Is 43 trillion Black Sperms merged together, he would be continental or multicontinental.
Each of the Black Sperm copies was said to be as Strong as an A class hero.
Characters that are around to that level of power should be comparable to Invincible or able to harm him, from the tier of Darkshine and Above.
It seems pretty far fetched the S class wouldnt do any damage, when fodder characters like the Mauler Twins or Robot's robots can harm him.
And he might flight fast but his combat speed was never impressive in his series.
Also Genos May have some of the greatest attack potency, but he isn't as powerful as Tatsumaki.
And im not sure Mark break Tatsumaki's barrier.
So nah shitty vid.
do you any brain cells? legit everything you talking about like a little girl is in the video genius 😭
@@rhemv
It's bs.
Bro
I don't see Invincicuck outperforming characters Above Darkshine, maybe end of the series Mark can do that but the rest of the S class should handle viltrumites pretty effectively.
@@mikeym.4724wait he got cucked?
Invincible can't pass Puri Puri Prisoner
Tatsumaki is enough