I guess I haven’t actually seen why this started, but it seems most assume it had something to do with fandom. If at any point you find yourself wanting to assault someone over your fandom, you’re taking it way too seriously.
I think people need to understand that there is a huge difference between the ultras ("barras") and the rest of the fans. One of the positive highlights that a lot of south american players mention in interviews when they go back to their countries is how different the stadium atmosphere is in México during certain derby days. You'll see a stadium like the Azteca filled with 80 or 90 thousand fans and they're almost evenly split between fans of both teams playing. América vs Cruz Azul, América vs Chivas, Cruz Azul vs Pumas... I've been to FINALS where a title was at stake and emotions were tense, but a fan of one team could sit next to a fan of another team and they would almost ignore each other throughout the whole game (minus a handshake at the end when one team won). The fan of the winning team stays to celebrate while the other leaves in tears but without violence. It was truly eye-opening to see how civilized the whole thing actually was considering the crazy atmosphere, flares, and chants. On the other hand, I've accidentally taken the wrong turn in a hallway or ramp at my local stadium and witnessed ultras (barras) of the same team fighting EACH OTHER for God knows what reason. If people could experience both, they would understand that fans are not the problem... it's these barras, these ultras that use any excuse to turn violent.
People need to understand that there is a difference between Mexican fandom/football culture and supporters groups/"barras". I've been watching and following Mexican football my entire life. Barras didn't exist in Mexico. It's a fairly recent phenomenon that has been supported by LigaMX. The majority of the problems that have been occurring in Mexican football over the last decade can be traced to the barras. Including the infamous chant. The question is who are the people that are in the supporters groups that are responsible for what happened in Queretaro? Mexican football culture is what my Father taught me, not some ridiculous supporters group. LigaMX needs to ban barras from the stadiums, period.
If I was planning on going to Mexico for the game, I’d want to know my safety is priority from the federation. It’s not xenophobic for me to be concerned about my well being. Given what transpired, of course I would be on edge.
@@ericc7976 what about the known Raider nation fiasco in the 80's and 90's? fights would happen in the consesion stands and parking lots of two opposing fans.
@@mindandbodymuscle5345 or the dodger fan base known for their shit. Can’t tell if I’m in a Nicaraguan soccer game or dodger stadium when I go to a game
@@hengineer agreed but when we get upset and start calling them "dirty mexicans" "trash" "scum" "subhumans" and "sh*tskins" it IS racist. YES i have seen those comments from our own fan base. We Americans, especially republicans, have a tendency to pretend that racism doesn't exist. I am American and love the USMNT but there are a ton of USMNT fans that use soccer to express their racism/hatred
USA MEDIA IS EXTREMELY BIAS TOWARDS MEXICO. WHERE IS THIS ENERGY WHEN ARGENTINA LEAGUE MATCHES. I BEEN SAYING THIS, USA MEDIA IS EXTREMELY BIAS TOWARDS MEXICO
@@kem1233 american media is barely even talking about this. Its just some people using this as a dog whistle to express their racism towards mexicans, and actual mexicans themselves trying to deflect responsibility by pointing fingers at Qatar. This has nothing to do with race and all to do with culture, the toxic machismo and gang violence in our mexico.
@@kem1233 bro what is the ethnic (and, heck, national) Mexican population in the US? what is the Argentine population in the US? how many people in the US have been to Mexico? how many to Argentina? heck the two largest states in the US by population used to be in Mexico. our connection isn't the same as with some boludos who don't even have the same summer as we do
If you're the away side at a match in Mexico, all bets are off. I have friends in Mexico who have warned me about this letting me know nothing good can come of supporting the US vs L Tri in el Azteca.
I've got my hotel and flight booked to Mex city for the US-Mex qualifier, but tickets aren't readily available. Match is less than 3 weeks away, why aren't tickets being released? FMF doesn't even know how safe it's going to be.
Going through many of the Mexican and ligaMX forums it looks like cartels might’ve been involved unfortunately, given the fact that certain “fans” got in with weapons and security completely peaced out of certain areas. I’ve seen way more Mexicans upset at tarnishing their own image than other people saying that an entire group of people are trash.
@@kem1233 True I guess, most good news they love to report is LGBT related. Latest good news I heard was about that ice skiing dude in the olympics. Other than that I don't know any other goods news from Mexico.
Look here friends, it would be a horrible mistake to conflate and confuse the Mexican people with Mexican football culture. There IS a big problem with the latter, and there is no need to even try to sugar coat the reality. Every Liga MX game I’ve been to, and every El Tri game I’ve been to, has featured detestable, violent, and inexcusable behavior. Fights break out in the stands. Garbage thrown onto the pitch, laser pointers flashing into players eyes, and people moving into seats they don’t have tickets for, or else jamming extra people between seats (20 seats in a row, but 23+ are there, ruining the experience for those who paid money for their seats). It’s a problem. A big problem. It is NOT synonymous with the people of Mexico, it is a failure of the Mexican Football Federation and the owners of LigaMX clubs who tolerate this thuggish behavior. England used to have hooligan problems too. Likewise, it was not a reflection of the English people, but rather Football culture and what owners and association authorities have been willing to tolerate and turn a blind eye to. What I hope with all my heart as a diehard footy fan, is that this disgusting episode-which has led to the death and injury of human beings-will force changes to happen. It can be done, and it must be done.
IM SORRY BUT DONT EVER COMPARE ENGLISH HOOGLIANS TO MEXICO, every liga mx? really, i hate to break the news to u, BUT THATS ALL OVER THE WORLD. I DONT SEE THIS SAME ENERGY WHEN PALMEIRAS FANS WERE RIOTING AND KILLED SEVERAL PPL, YET U GUYS DONT SAY, OOOO WE NEED TO CHANGE BRAZILIAN FANS, OR BRAZILIAN LEAGUE NOT A WORD. THIS IS FUTBOL, IF U DONT LIKE IT, THEN GO WATCH GOLF
@@kem1233 Mexico is a lot closer to home for American fans, we would def have concerns with Brazil if our fans and players were ever in those stadiums byt they basically aren't. A lot of people are dead, better to just accept the problem and try to fix it
@@manyhamy6330 AMERICAN FANS SHOULD JUST STICK TO THEIR AMERICAN SPORTS. THIS IS AROUND THE WORLD, AND IT WONT STOP. ONLY WAY IS BANNED ALL ULTRA, HINCHADAS, PORRAS, BARRA BRAVAS. ETC. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE THESE CLUBS GET MONEY FROM THEM. ITS SAME IN ITALY, STOP RACISM. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN ITALY, EVER. THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE. UR FANS, AND PLAYERS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN THOSE BRAZILIAN MATCHES, TRUST ME ON THAT. THIS IS WHY USA AND MLS TEAMS AVOID PLAYING IN SOUTH AMERICA. THEY WOULD GET KILLED DOWN THERE I THINK U NEEDS TO ACCEPT, THIS IS FUTBOL CULTURE. THATS IT. DOESNT MATTER IF ITS DEATHS OR RACISM, OR DRUGS ETC.. THATS FUTBOL
@@kem1233 "THAT'S FUTBOL" No, that's futbol in Mexico. And sure, that's futbol in other places too. But that's just not the way it is everywhere. There are many, many countries where fans don't have to worry about getting murdered, and players don't need to worry about getting assaulted at a game. Your refusal to even acknowledge a problem does nothing but reinforce the kind of xenophobia Herc is rightly concerned about. You could prove a lot of people wrong here by just admitting there's a problem and that Mexican fans and clubs should do better.
@@kem1233 the all caps response pretty much makes the point for me. I love football, not golf. Passion is good, anger, hatred, and the irrational delusion some fans bring to the game is not passion, it’s criminal
herc, don't make promises that isn't for you to keep. saying this wont happen again is disingenous. it can and will. thats the track record for humans. we repeat things coz we just dont learn.
for herc to make any sort of prediction that it won't happen again is foolhardy and totally oblivious to the mindset of the spectator in a game played in Mexico
This is the same rhetoric people were saying about English football fans after the Heysel disaster. This ISNT NEW. People with Zero insight relate this to Hillsborough. Bad example as that was purely infrastructure and authority incompetence. The more accurate is Heysel, Juventus fans vs Liverpool fans (sure a wall collapsed making it worse), but the fight is what is the better relation, and as a consequence ALL English fans were painted with the same broad brush and ALL English clubs were banned from Europe for at least a few years.
@@bbqnice1 I CANT BELIEVE WE ARE COMPARING MEXICAN FANS VS ENGLISH FANS? HOW COME NO ONE IS TELLING THIS TO COLOMBIAN OR BRAZILIAN OR ARGENTINA LEAGUES OR FANS. WHEN THEY ARE WORSE DOWN THERE DO U SEE ANYONE SAYING, OO BRAZILIANS NEED TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT> NO ONE SAYS A WORD. PALMEIRAS FANS RIOTED AFTER LOSING AGAINST CHELSEA?? WHY ARENT U PUTTING SAME ENERGY TO THESE PEOPLE
@@kem1233 what energy? I'm commenting on a video by some guys I follow on youtube because of their USMNT coverage, not trying to ban chiles rellenos from the ethnic food festival. did multiple people die after the Club World Cup? Brazil might have some kind of cultural importance in the US in South Florida, but Mexico has importance everywhere in the US. I'm from 4 hours south of the border with Canada by car, if you drive due East you can find entire towns where Spanish is the most-spoken language. there are no such towns where Portuguese or Turkish is the most spoken language. is there a US state called New Brazil? How does Brazil's Mexican immigrant population compare with USA's?
An estimated 17 people were killed at the game - 17!!! In Southern California in particular for Dodgers, Lakers and Raiders, there is a close tie between a lot of Mexican- American fandom and street gangs. These gangs are violent, deadly, and closely tied to the Mexican drug cartels. Moreover, they essentially take local teams as their gang colors, and then they take the opposing teams fans as a rival gang to be attacked. As a result, a lot of violence around local professionals teams take place. Don't forget the behavior of Mexico fans during the Nation League final against USMNT - they nearly put one of their own players in the hospital. Given this history, the violence isn't surprising but the scale of it is - 17 people dying because fans got mad is really shocking. Btw, as someone who grew up Southern California immersed in Mexican culture, I can say to anyone who attacks Mexican-Americans or Mexicans in general because of this, you are a racist! This was the result of gangs, cartels, and the very pathetic Mexican Soccer Federation that has tacitly approved this behavior for way too long. Nearly every country in Europe has gone through this kind of "hooliganism" before, but they cracked down hard and we now rarely see it. I was planning on going to Mexico City for USMNT vs. MEXICO game with family, but given what happened, we might instead go to Orlando. This is sad for everyone- but most of all for Mexicans.
I want to be thoughtful and fair in my comment: Herc is right to point out the xenophobia that underlies some (probably more like many) of the sentiments in reaction to the incident at Queretaro, rather than having compassion for the victims of the violence. That being said, my encounters with Mexican fans, both in person (at Red Bull Arena for CONCACAF Champions League) and online have clearly conveyed a repugnant mentality. Quite honestly, there's not even a close second place for the nastiest opposing fans I've come across in any sport.
There is a difference between Mexican soccer fans and the Mexican people at large. The hyper fanatic Mexican soccer fans cause many issues. From the chants, to the violence, to throwing stuff at players they just don’t understand the line between civility and chaotic fandom. This kind of stuff doesn’t even happen to such a scale with the Central American teams like it does with the Mexican fans. And with regard to the ‘xenophobia’ claim, it’s pure rubbish. We see the footage ourselves. We all saw the riots at Queretaro, we saw Mexican fans throwing objects at player in the Nations League Final, we hear the chants during every Mexico game. How are people going to NOT have a negative perception of Mexican soccer fans? We can agree that it’s not all Mexican fans, but it’s enough of them to make a big deal of it.
I consider the xenophobic dialogue to be insincere. Everybody in media wants to shape public opinion by denying reality. Violence at soccer games is endemic in South America. It's been known for years. That's not true in very many other places and people. I don't say that we relegate Latinos to some kind of second-class status somehow, but someone who is travelling into that situation should take it into account. Anyone remember the Latinos throwing things at the US side last year? Gimme a break.
Those were Mexican Americans throwing shit at US players. No xenophobia intended but if our own countrymen throw shit at us imagine what could happen in real Mexico.
it's true, bro. different groups of people act differently. in the US we try to say that poverty is the main variable driving violence, but there are poor countries in Asia with murder rates that Diego Maradona couldn't limbo under
You must have not seen the issues in Indonesia, Egypt, and Eastern Europe; that have made sports bans. Western Europe had hooligan issues for decades. The problem isn’t the people but leaders who don’t take action. It’s why Serie A has had more issues than EPL.
It's not safe. And the images show it, you likely won't suffer a major injury, but chances are you will be at least pick pocketed, or you will catch COVID
There is a reason why my parents left latin america. There are fights that occur in every sport in any country. It happens all the time. Still doesn't excuse me having an opinion of a certain people who (yes, are hard working good people) but whose government are known for being in bed with certain drug cartels and whose culture leaves a little bit to be desired when it comes to taking sports a BIT too seriously.
OO SHUT UP, THIS IS NOT ABOUT CARTELS. FUTBOL VOLIENCE IS ALL OVER THE WORLD. YOU HAVE FIGHTS BREAK OUT IN COLOMBIA. MONTHS BACK AGO. SAME IN GREECE, TURKEY, RUSSIA, BALTIC STATES. Yet USA MEDIA AND AMERICANS DONT FOCUS ON THAT
I get Hercs state of mind... He should of pin pointed the main problem: these WEALTHY soccer groups who are penny pinching off security. At the same time there are reports of those hired "security guards" joining in and attacking the visitors side. These are wealthy soccer organizations, sponsored by companies like Bancomer, telcel, Modelo, aero Mexico, Bimbo, Tecate and even Pemex. The blame goes on; not enough security plain and simple. *Updated* Just blame the clubs Herc... 1 year bans for those that were violently attacking others? Please, that's only a slap on the wrist to these hooligans!
Well-handled guys. I've criticized Seb for his style before. I have to say this is the best example of saying the truth without stepping in anything i can recall. thanks!
It's truly sad that people are labeled with derogatory terms like "xenophobic" simply because they notice patterns then, correctly, question and determine what is safe for themselves, their friends and families. Disgusting take by Herc.
Clearly not what they’re talking about. They’re talking about Twitter being xenophobic. No problem in asking about safety, its people using the incident to spread their “little man” hate in a social media platform.
What's fucked up is it's NOT racist. It's CULTURAL. After the Heysel disaster ALL English fans were painted with the exact same broad brush. ALL of England was banned from European competition for a number of years.
I guess I haven’t actually seen why this started, but it seems most assume it had something to do with fandom. If at any point you find yourself wanting to assault someone over your fandom, you’re taking it way too seriously.
I love my team so much that I'm willing to murder an opposing team's fans 😂
I think people need to understand that there is a huge difference between the ultras ("barras") and the rest of the fans. One of the positive highlights that a lot of south american players mention in interviews when they go back to their countries is how different the stadium atmosphere is in México during certain derby days. You'll see a stadium like the Azteca filled with 80 or 90 thousand fans and they're almost evenly split between fans of both teams playing. América vs Cruz Azul, América vs Chivas, Cruz Azul vs Pumas... I've been to FINALS where a title was at stake and emotions were tense, but a fan of one team could sit next to a fan of another team and they would almost ignore each other throughout the whole game (minus a handshake at the end when one team won). The fan of the winning team stays to celebrate while the other leaves in tears but without violence. It was truly eye-opening to see how civilized the whole thing actually was considering the crazy atmosphere, flares, and chants. On the other hand, I've accidentally taken the wrong turn in a hallway or ramp at my local stadium and witnessed ultras (barras) of the same team fighting EACH OTHER for God knows what reason.
If people could experience both, they would understand that fans are not the problem... it's these barras, these ultras that use any excuse to turn violent.
People need to understand that there is a difference between Mexican fandom/football culture and supporters groups/"barras". I've been watching and following Mexican football my entire life. Barras didn't exist in Mexico. It's a fairly recent phenomenon that has been supported by LigaMX. The majority of the problems that have been occurring in Mexican football over the last decade can be traced to the barras. Including the infamous chant. The question is who are the people that are in the supporters groups that are responsible for what happened in Queretaro? Mexican football culture is what my Father taught me, not some ridiculous supporters group. LigaMX needs to ban barras from the stadiums, period.
that's interesting. I wasn't aware of barras being a new phenomenon
Thank you for this Herc ❤️ please don’t ever stop saying the truth
USA MEDIA IS VERY BIAS TOWARDS MEXICO. YOU HAVE VOLIENCE WORSE IN SOUTH AMERICA. YET DOES NOT COVER IT
@@kem1233 Mexico is a shit hope stop capping
If I was planning on going to Mexico for the game, I’d want to know my safety is priority from the federation. It’s not xenophobic for me to be concerned about my well being. Given what transpired, of course I would be on edge.
And it has zero to do with Mexicans as a race, but Mexican Football Supporters as a CULTURE.
@@hengineer good thing we don’t have a culture as a soccer fan base for anyone to judge off
@@ericc7976 what about the known Raider nation fiasco in the 80's and 90's? fights would happen in the consesion stands and parking lots of two opposing fans.
@@mindandbodymuscle5345 or the dodger fan base known for their shit. Can’t tell if I’m in a Nicaraguan soccer game or dodger stadium when I go to a game
@@hengineer agreed but when we get upset and start calling them "dirty mexicans" "trash" "scum" "subhumans" and "sh*tskins" it IS racist. YES i have seen those comments from our own fan base. We Americans, especially republicans, have a tendency to pretend that racism doesn't exist. I am American and love the USMNT but there are a ton of USMNT fans that use soccer to express their racism/hatred
Seriously. On Twitter it's ridiculous with ppl saying all kinds of nonsense about Mexico and Mexicans in general.
USA MEDIA IS EXTREMELY BIAS TOWARDS MEXICO. WHERE IS THIS ENERGY WHEN ARGENTINA LEAGUE MATCHES. I BEEN SAYING THIS, USA MEDIA IS EXTREMELY BIAS TOWARDS MEXICO
@@kem1233 bruh we ain't talking about "the MEDIA" we are talking about ppl on Twitter...
Twitter isn't real life, very important to remember
@@kem1233 american media is barely even talking about this. Its just some people using this as a dog whistle to express their racism towards mexicans, and actual mexicans themselves trying to deflect responsibility by pointing fingers at Qatar. This has nothing to do with race and all to do with culture, the toxic machismo and gang violence in our mexico.
@@kem1233 bro what is the ethnic (and, heck, national) Mexican population in the US? what is the Argentine population in the US? how many people in the US have been to Mexico? how many to Argentina? heck the two largest states in the US by population used to be in Mexico. our connection isn't the same as with some boludos who don't even have the same summer as we do
man i love this show, but i can NOT find where to watch full episodes or when it comes on.
The full show is on ESPN+
Thank you for representing the Mexican American community. And setting the record straight.
If you're the away side at a match in Mexico, all bets are off. I have friends in Mexico who have warned me about this letting me know nothing good can come of supporting the US vs L Tri in el Azteca.
Don't become a racist or xenophobic either brah
@@Bromocriptine777 How is that racist? Would you say it is racist to say if you go support Mexico in la Bombonera it might not be good for you?
@@oyaml1211 "Tell me one racist thing Donald Trump said" haha
@@Bromocriptine777 So you can't answer my question?
@@oyaml1211 nobody answer this lunatic “Mario”. He’s just begging for attention
I've got my hotel and flight booked to Mex city for the US-Mex qualifier, but tickets aren't readily available. Match is less than 3 weeks away, why aren't tickets being released? FMF doesn't even know how safe it's going to be.
Going through many of the Mexican and ligaMX forums it looks like cartels might’ve been involved unfortunately, given the fact that certain “fans” got in with weapons and security completely peaced out of certain areas. I’ve seen way more Mexicans upset at tarnishing their own image than other people saying that an entire group of people are trash.
the problem is USA media, and americans. lets be real, anytime, USA talks about mexico, its always negative.
@@kem1233 No, the problem's that people got murdered at a game!
@@kem1233 True I guess, most good news they love to report is LGBT related. Latest good news I heard was about that ice skiing dude in the olympics. Other than that I don't know any other goods news from Mexico.
Look here friends, it would be a horrible mistake to conflate and confuse the Mexican people with Mexican football culture. There IS a big problem with the latter, and there is no need to even try to sugar coat the reality. Every Liga MX game I’ve been to, and every El Tri game I’ve been to, has featured detestable, violent, and inexcusable behavior. Fights break out in the stands. Garbage thrown onto the pitch, laser pointers flashing into players eyes, and people moving into seats they don’t have tickets for, or else jamming extra people between seats (20 seats in a row, but 23+ are there, ruining the experience for those who paid money for their seats). It’s a problem. A big problem. It is NOT synonymous with the people of Mexico, it is a failure of the Mexican Football Federation and the owners of LigaMX clubs who tolerate this thuggish behavior. England used to have hooligan problems too. Likewise, it was not a reflection of the English people, but rather Football culture and what owners and association authorities have been willing to tolerate and turn a blind eye to.
What I hope with all my heart as a diehard footy fan, is that this disgusting episode-which has led to the death and injury of human beings-will force changes to happen. It can be done, and it must be done.
IM SORRY BUT DONT EVER COMPARE ENGLISH HOOGLIANS TO MEXICO,
every liga mx? really, i hate to break the news to u, BUT THATS ALL OVER THE WORLD. I DONT SEE THIS SAME ENERGY WHEN PALMEIRAS FANS WERE RIOTING AND KILLED SEVERAL PPL, YET U GUYS DONT SAY, OOOO WE NEED TO CHANGE BRAZILIAN FANS, OR BRAZILIAN LEAGUE
NOT A WORD. THIS IS FUTBOL, IF U DONT LIKE IT, THEN GO WATCH GOLF
@@kem1233 Mexico is a lot closer to home for American fans, we would def have concerns with Brazil if our fans and players were ever in those stadiums byt they basically aren't. A lot of people are dead, better to just accept the problem and try to fix it
@@manyhamy6330 AMERICAN FANS SHOULD JUST STICK TO THEIR AMERICAN SPORTS.
THIS IS AROUND THE WORLD, AND IT WONT STOP. ONLY WAY IS BANNED ALL ULTRA, HINCHADAS, PORRAS, BARRA BRAVAS. ETC. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE THESE CLUBS GET MONEY FROM THEM. ITS SAME IN ITALY, STOP RACISM. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN ITALY, EVER. THEY WILL NEVER CHANGE.
UR FANS, AND PLAYERS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN THOSE BRAZILIAN MATCHES, TRUST ME ON THAT. THIS IS WHY USA AND MLS TEAMS AVOID PLAYING IN SOUTH AMERICA. THEY WOULD GET KILLED DOWN THERE
I THINK U NEEDS TO ACCEPT, THIS IS FUTBOL CULTURE. THATS IT. DOESNT MATTER IF ITS DEATHS OR RACISM, OR DRUGS ETC..
THATS FUTBOL
@@kem1233 "THAT'S FUTBOL"
No, that's futbol in Mexico. And sure, that's futbol in other places too. But that's just not the way it is everywhere. There are many, many countries where fans don't have to worry about getting murdered, and players don't need to worry about getting assaulted at a game. Your refusal to even acknowledge a problem does nothing but reinforce the kind of xenophobia Herc is rightly concerned about. You could prove a lot of people wrong here by just admitting there's a problem and that Mexican fans and clubs should do better.
@@kem1233 the all caps response pretty much makes the point for me. I love football, not golf. Passion is good, anger, hatred, and the irrational delusion some fans bring to the game is not passion, it’s criminal
herc, don't make promises that isn't for you to keep. saying this wont happen again is disingenous. it can and will. thats the track record for humans. we repeat things coz we just dont learn.
for herc to make any sort of prediction that it won't happen again is foolhardy and totally oblivious to the mindset of the spectator in a game played in Mexico
This is the same rhetoric people were saying about English football fans after the Heysel disaster.
This ISNT NEW.
People with Zero insight relate this to Hillsborough. Bad example as that was purely infrastructure and authority incompetence. The more accurate is Heysel, Juventus fans vs Liverpool fans (sure a wall collapsed making it worse), but the fight is what is the better relation, and as a consequence ALL English fans were painted with the same broad brush and ALL English clubs were banned from Europe for at least a few years.
and they were right and English soccer has cleaned up its act considerably
@@bbqnice1 I CANT BELIEVE WE ARE COMPARING MEXICAN FANS VS ENGLISH FANS? HOW COME NO ONE IS TELLING THIS TO COLOMBIAN OR BRAZILIAN OR ARGENTINA LEAGUES OR FANS. WHEN THEY ARE WORSE DOWN THERE
DO U SEE ANYONE SAYING, OO BRAZILIANS NEED TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT> NO ONE SAYS A WORD. PALMEIRAS FANS RIOTED AFTER LOSING AGAINST CHELSEA??
WHY ARENT U PUTTING SAME ENERGY TO THESE PEOPLE
@@kem1233 what energy? I'm commenting on a video by some guys I follow on youtube because of their USMNT coverage, not trying to ban chiles rellenos from the ethnic food festival. did multiple people die after the Club World Cup? Brazil might have some kind of cultural importance in the US in South Florida, but Mexico has importance everywhere in the US. I'm from 4 hours south of the border with Canada by car, if you drive due East you can find entire towns where Spanish is the most-spoken language. there are no such towns where Portuguese or Turkish is the most spoken language. is there a US state called New Brazil? How does Brazil's Mexican immigrant population compare with USA's?
tbh, its safer for some but not for others. this is true of ANY country.
An estimated 17 people were killed at the game - 17!!! In Southern California in particular for Dodgers, Lakers and Raiders, there is a close tie between a lot of Mexican- American fandom and street gangs. These gangs are violent, deadly, and closely tied to the Mexican drug cartels. Moreover, they essentially take local teams as their gang colors, and then they take the opposing teams fans as a rival gang to be attacked. As a result, a lot of violence around local professionals teams take place. Don't forget the behavior of Mexico fans during the Nation League final against USMNT - they nearly put one of their own players in the hospital. Given this history, the violence isn't surprising but the scale of it is - 17 people dying because fans got mad is really shocking. Btw, as someone who grew up Southern California immersed in Mexican culture, I can say to anyone who attacks Mexican-Americans or Mexicans in general because of this, you are a racist! This was the result of gangs, cartels, and the very pathetic Mexican Soccer Federation that has tacitly approved this behavior for way too long. Nearly every country in Europe has gone through this kind of "hooliganism" before, but they cracked down hard and we now rarely see it. I was planning on going to Mexico City for USMNT vs. MEXICO game with family, but given what happened, we might instead go to Orlando. This is sad for everyone- but most of all for Mexicans.
I want to be thoughtful and fair in my comment: Herc is right to point out the xenophobia that underlies some (probably more like many) of the sentiments in reaction to the incident at Queretaro, rather than having compassion for the victims of the violence. That being said, my encounters with Mexican fans, both in person (at Red Bull Arena for CONCACAF Champions League) and online have clearly conveyed a repugnant mentality. Quite honestly, there's not even a close second place for the nastiest opposing fans I've come across in any sport.
There is a difference between Mexican soccer fans and the Mexican people at large. The hyper fanatic Mexican soccer fans cause many issues. From the chants, to the violence, to throwing stuff at players they just don’t understand the line between civility and chaotic fandom. This kind of stuff doesn’t even happen to such a scale with the Central American teams like it does with the Mexican fans. And with regard to the ‘xenophobia’ claim, it’s pure rubbish. We see the footage ourselves. We all saw the riots at Queretaro, we saw Mexican fans throwing objects at player in the Nations League Final, we hear the chants during every Mexico game. How are people going to NOT have a negative perception of Mexican soccer fans? We can agree that it’s not all Mexican fans, but it’s enough of them to make a big deal of it.
I consider the xenophobic dialogue to be insincere. Everybody in media wants to shape public opinion by denying reality. Violence at soccer games is endemic in South America. It's been known for years. That's not true in very many other places and people. I don't say that we relegate Latinos to some kind of second-class status somehow, but someone who is travelling into that situation should take it into account. Anyone remember the Latinos throwing things at the US side last year? Gimme a break.
What do you mean when they where throwing things? What game?
The nations league final?
Those were Mexican Americans throwing shit at US players. No xenophobia intended but if our own countrymen throw shit at us imagine what could happen in real Mexico.
it's true, bro. different groups of people act differently. in the US we try to say that poverty is the main variable driving violence, but there are poor countries in Asia with murder rates that Diego Maradona couldn't limbo under
You must have not seen the issues in Indonesia, Egypt, and Eastern Europe; that have made sports bans. Western Europe had hooligan issues for decades. The problem isn’t the people but leaders who don’t take action. It’s why Serie A has had more issues than EPL.
It's not safe. And the images show it, you likely won't suffer a major injury, but chances are you will be at least pick pocketed, or you will catch COVID
Been a big fan of you herc love yo talk videos keep it up 👍
There is a reason why my parents left latin america. There are fights that occur in every sport in any country. It happens all the time. Still doesn't excuse me having an opinion of a certain people who (yes, are hard working good people) but whose government are known for being in bed with certain drug cartels and whose culture leaves a little bit to be desired when it comes to taking sports a BIT too seriously.
OO SHUT UP, THIS IS NOT ABOUT CARTELS. FUTBOL VOLIENCE IS ALL OVER THE WORLD. YOU HAVE FIGHTS BREAK OUT IN COLOMBIA. MONTHS BACK AGO. SAME IN GREECE, TURKEY, RUSSIA, BALTIC STATES. Yet USA MEDIA AND AMERICANS DONT FOCUS ON THAT
@@kem1233 thank goodness the US doesn't have an away qualifier in Russia in two weeks
It feels like your glossing over the brutality of what took place.
Why would you ever base real life on what some people said on twitter? Are u fucking kidding me? It’s twitter
wait…what the hell happened?
There was a massive brawl between fans of Atlas and fans of Queretaro , two teams in the Liga MX. Lots of people were seriously injured.
@@keithmosby2185 I looked up some of the videos and man… it was savage 😨
I get Hercs state of mind... He should of pin pointed the main problem: these WEALTHY soccer groups who are penny pinching off security. At the same time there are reports of those hired "security guards" joining in and attacking the visitors side.
These are wealthy soccer organizations, sponsored by companies like Bancomer, telcel, Modelo, aero Mexico, Bimbo, Tecate and even Pemex. The blame goes on; not enough security plain and simple.
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Just blame the clubs Herc... 1 year bans for those that were violently attacking others? Please, that's only a slap on the wrist to these hooligans!
Well-handled guys. I've criticized Seb for his style before. I have to say this is the best example of saying the truth without stepping in anything i can recall.
thanks!
It's truly sad that people are labeled with derogatory terms like "xenophobic" simply because they notice patterns then, correctly, question and determine what is safe for themselves, their friends and families. Disgusting take by Herc.
I think it's more about the people who use the situation to justify them being assholes. Not to those who question their safety.
How is asking about safety racist?
ESPN race baiting for ratings yet again…
Clearly not what they’re talking about. They’re talking about Twitter being xenophobic. No problem in asking about safety, its people using the incident to spread their “little man” hate in a social media platform.
@@JP-xq7fo You clearlu haven't been on twitter and seen what people say lmfao.
@@egoisticlout7224 twitter is a legit sh*thole full of disgusting people, but don’t generalize the real world as twitter.
What's fucked up is it's NOT racist. It's CULTURAL. After the Heysel disaster ALL English fans were painted with the exact same broad brush. ALL of England was banned from European competition for a number of years.
que grande Herc. even as a usmnt player, always has mexico’s back.
It's not a soccer or Mexican problem, it's a human problem...
This is why we need to build the wall
bro shut up , soccer fandom has nothing to do with a damn wall🤦🏽♂️