Yep, the airplane noise could have been the preconditioning of the battery of you were navigating to a supercharger. Bangs and pops are the metal sheeting in the battery pack flexing with temperature change. Look forward to more cold weather testing. Can't wait to take delivery next week of a Model Y and drive from VA to MN. I'm sure I'll be heading to Duluth on my trip, love that city.
Best of luck on your Model Y. I love mine! And the drive should be pretty straight forward for you. Plan on charging, charging relatively often, and having a hobby to pass the time. During my super charging I either work on these videos, check office emails, nap, or chat with other Tesla owners who are often super friendly and chatty.
You've clearly been using the "Consumption" screen quite a bit, but I haven't seen you use the "Trip" view much. It's a great way to track your progress mid-drive on where the car thinks it will arrive with and it's updated using the consumption numbers (as well as the upcoming elevation) It's likely harder to trust in these winter conditions (where I agree keeping a healthy 10+% buffer is a good idea), but the trip view is pretty spot on once you've been driving for a bit. Since EV range is so defined by aerodynamics, if you're running low on battery you can always just slow down. Consumption skyrockets with speed, so dropping speed even a little can add enough range to make it (or keep that 10% buffer). I think you mentioned driving 65 mph all day at one point so you're clearly aware of speed being a factor, but with the help of the trip meter you can actively manage it as opposed to passively picking a speed and sticking with it. Another thing I haven't heard you mention is the Tesla trip planner optimizes for fewest stops and not shortest journey. Since the battery charges significantly faster 80%, the best strategy is to keep the battery charge relatively low and hop charger to charger, doing more 15-20 minute charges rather than fewer but longer charges. The route you're on is quite rural so there are not that many superchargers and it might not affect the trip that much, but as you approach more built up areas you have more choice. Make sure you always navigate to a supercharger so the car and precondition and be ready for max charge. I also haven't seen you plugged in at any hotels. Especially in that cold weather, even a 110V plug with a departure time will make a huge difference, plus you can use the app to turn on the climate controls ahead of time and use wall power rather than eating battery warming things up.
Excellent feedback. Thanks! I’m still quite new at all this. I did end up using a J1772 charger in Jackson, Wyoming which was really convenient near my hotel. And then again at a hotel in Fargo. The last two days here in Duluth I’ve been warming up the car in advance of jumping in. And definitely, I’ve noticed that the car preconditions the battery as I get near a city/town where I will Supercharge. All great things to learn as I get used to my new electric life. As for the average consumer as the world further electrifies, not sure many will be as keen as us to care about these sort of details... kind of like hyper-miling with an ICE. Possible but few care to do so. In any case, I’ll take your advice on using the Trip function. I have done so on occasion and will make some videos in the future about that.
LOVE THE DATA! that you show/talk about from your drives. good to know that it doesn't consume a lot of battery life when it gets down to the 20s or teens. Not a lot of Tesla videos focus on the MidWest or cold weather, so I am glad to see that you show how the battery functions.
I figured I had this great opportunity in such cold weather to share some information with people as we all move into the colder season. The People wanna know! Ha
Glad you found it helpful. As the world starts going electric, I think it'll be helpful to simply things as much as possible for people so they can get on with their lives, and then for people with a little more time to say, "And here are some additional numbers and scenarios so you can start honing in on the different experiences in your own life." But I think the simple message really is: if it's a super cold day, you'll only get 50% of the EPA range. If it's a cool-cold day at/above freezing, you'll get 65% of the EPA range, and if it's a regular day, you'll get 75% of that range. And almost in no case will you get 100% :)
@@goingelectric7826 I live in "Battery Paradise" Prescott, AZ where most of the year it is between 40 and 80 degrees. lol I do notice that I only get about 75% even living here. We have one big mountain we go down to get to Phoenix. 240 miles round trip. It regens just about all of the way down but uses a lot of power to get back up. I guess one cancels out the other? It says I will have 3% left but like you I want a little extra power so I stop and charge for maybe 15 min. You are correct about 75%.
It rolls off the tongue so much easier than KiloWatt hour! Haha 😉 And kiwa is close enough to kiwi which would be a nice and tasty approximation as people get used to fueling up on electricity. 🥝🚙😋
The bangs and pops only happen in really cold weather. It's the expansion and contraction with heat generated by the battery pack combined with the cold weather. For the model 3, i scheduled a service appointment, and they added some sort of insulation to dampen the noise. Haven't noticed it with my model Y yet.
On the range calculations and comfort level, how accurate do you think the on board estimator is at predicting the state of charge at arrival? If you find that is always close to being accurate, then all you have to do is charge to a level that results in your desired comfort level before leaving, as you are doing now. It makes sense to do your own calculations at first until such point that you can trust Tesla's predictions. I do like your calculations. I will use those too, at first. Since the Model Y just came out in March, no one has gone through a winter with one yet to see how the heat pump will help with cold weather efficiency, so that will be interesting to see in action. As someone from Canada, planning to get a Y or a 3 with a heat pump, you have my interest. I have been waiting for the heat pump to make it's way into the Model 3.
Great points. My sense is that the percentage charge estimator strangely comes in on the low end when I plug in to charge... but once I've charged up to a percentage I prefer and I start on my trip then the navigation/mapping program calculates the expected amount of battery remaining upon arrival very well. I did a little competition between me and the Tesla estimation in a previous video and Tesla spanked me... so I think for the time being I'll stick to my numbers in terms of percentage charge, but will trust Tesla's numbers once I get on the road. Apparently there are some third party apps out there that people swear by to do the calculations for them. I will have to look into those.
@@goingelectric7826 Yes, I suggested that you try A better Route Planner (ABRP) as it is very well known and respected. If you use their premium version, it actually ties into your car and logs every aspect of everyone of your charging sessions. Bjorn Nyland, who I consider to be the most knowledgeable EV UA-camr anywhere, did a challenge between his own calculations vs. Tesla vs. ABRP in this video. I think you would find it interesting to watch. ua-cam.com/video/NdJ6fnpQnqA/v-deo.html
When travelling in the northern states, most hotels and motels will have outdoor plugs for powering block heaters in ICE cars. Have you tried charging overnight using the cars 120 volt charger. This would allow conditioning the battery in the morning without paying for a charge and using the cars battery to warm the interior.
Few things, the hum noise you mention is the heat pump system for sure, completely normal. It will run much heavier than in the summer ( in AC mode unless really hot). The pops you hear while driving can be battery but you usually hear those when charging due to temperature difference. Sometimes they can also be the contactors opening and closing however in the cold the pop sounds are more than likely the octovalve system switching positions to change where coolant is going. That system will change positions a lot more in the winter than the summer.
The range in city driving, with low speed with low fan n seat warmers is def. gonna be higher than 200 mile. I think no need to worry for daily commute during winter. Great video....you should do snow driving with stock tires next.
I'm actually surprised it was so cold here this early in the season (says the guy from California), so that has been an interesting and even fun twist on my cross-country drive. But helpful to learn all these things in October which will help me prepare for the upcoming moths.
Pro Tip of the Day: the seat heater(s) use a fraction of the energy as compared to the cabin heater/climate control. Seat heat on 3/high & cabin temp 65 is much more efficient that seat heater off and cabin temp of 70.
Good point. I've been experimenting with that and have sufficiently roasted my backside across the country numerous times this week. Haha. Definitely helpful on those 9 degree days! (The warmers in these Tesla seats work REALLY well.)
DW, the humming is completely normal. The model Y has a heat pump (sound just like the A/C) and it runs when it needs too heat the cabin or battery pack.
I drove 200 miles round trip from Las Vegas to Beatty at the end of July. from Vegas to Beatty it was 367 WH/mi. The return trip was 311....quite a bit better. Maybe down hill. Temp was 107 going north and 102 going south. I was driving 5 over speed limit most of the way. My computer shown average 70 mph northbound and 68 southbound.
I don’t have my MY yet but some people say that the first thing they do when getting to a Supercharger is to enter in a destination for the next supercharger and then charge till your amount left at destination gets to what you feel comfortable with. Would this be accurate for cold weather? Also, I write apps for Apple iOS and all your math makes me want to create an simple app for it.
Good tip. I'll try that on my next trip later in the week - from Duluth to Green Bay. Apparently there are some trip planning apps out there that other viewers have mentioned so I may need to take a look at those. But yeah, a super simple app could be sweet. Also, I like the idea of maintaining my privacy and not handing over my login account details or other private info for some of the more sophisticated apps. Convenient, but at a price!
Yeah, I’m a little surprised Tesla decided to come out with it. I’d be interested to see what the actual market is of a car that realistically is looking at not 244 miles (EPA advertised) but something closer in temperate weather to 170 miles and in cold weather to 120. If you’re charging at home even in cold weather and driving less than 120 miles then that certainly wouldn’t be a problem, but intercity travel on a really cold day would be super sketchy. Buying an electric car is not too dissimilar from memory on a phone: if you’re using your device for anything above the absolute bare minimum, buy the most capacity you can afford! Now I will say that over the past several weeks I have sort of been wishing I had shelled out the extra money for the performance version of the car. I am starting to enjoy spanking other drivers when they challenge me to a speed duel off the line. The performance model would make that even more shameful to them. Haha. (With my 20 inch wheels and a performance package I can only imagine how that would hit my range! But it would be soooooo fun!!) And the final piece of good news: after I got my front left power assist brake assembly unit replaced a couple weeks back, my efficiency has improved by about 20% which I love love love!!!
Prospective owner here, so don't have real world experience. So Tesla says normal (I guess ideal) range is 326 miles for the Y. If the effective max of the battery is 72kwh that'd mean it'd burn around 221 kwh/mile. I've just started watching Tesla videos recently and seem to remember someone showing 280 kwh/mile on their display. Tesla claims the Y can go 4.1 miles per kwh. Math just isn't adding up for that 326 mile expected range in ideal conditions. Just wondering if any Y owners in warmer climates see consumption around 250kwh/mile normally. Thanks for the awesome videos btw.
As far as I understand, Tesla advertises the rating provided by the Environmental Protection Agency and EPA figures for fuel efficiency even for gasoline cars are notoriously overrated. I have been collecting some data since I started my travels from California out to the Midwest two weeks ago and I will produce a video about some of that over the next couple weeks. (I am primarily doing highway driving which is less efficient than city/suburban driving.) When I was in California/San Francisco (hills!) I noticed that the average range of the battery seemed to be around 240 miles. I’ve seen others mention 260. But I think any numbers above that are very rare.
For distance driving, check some of the cross country videos by Out of Spec Motoring. He drives, tests and reviews EVs. He also does a lot of short term charging (15-20 minutes) on his cross country trips. He has competed in the EV Cannonball across the US. It might be worth a quick look.
🤷🏻♂️ I think one issue is that the EPA numbers are pure fiction. So once you get past that, you’re looking at a max ideal-conditions range of something closer to 240-260 miles. Max max. So the 9°F cold weather 180-mile range I was getting is a 25-30% reduction from good weather range. That’s not totally unreasonable given the way batteries function and need to be maintained in extreme weather. But people should be aware that 180-200 miles is the MAX they’re going to get in cold weather and plan appropriately. Unfortunately I don’t have a Model Y with the old heating system for comparison (nor does anyone). Either we’ll have to wait for Model 3 comparisons or perhaps someone would need to extract both systems from each and just do some energy consumption tests on both, then extrapolate the results and project them onto other models’ batteries.
I have to say that my driving in the snow was pretty light. Most roads were quite clear and the only snow I drove on was a couple dirt roads up in Wyoming with just a couple inches here and there, and then a little bit of ice in Montana. The car certainly is not above the laws of physics and I could definitely feel traction control kicking in and not always winning on the ice. But overall I’ve been very pleased with how it has driven so far. Still waiting for a good snowstorm to blow through the Midwest before I get back on the road and head down to Texas and the Deep South where am I not expecting to see too much snow. I did see a UA-cam video recently of a guy in Montana who tried driving through 11 inches of snow and he got stuck. It was pretty entertaining. I did speak with a gentleman in a Model S in North Dakota who never has any problems driving through the snow. He mentioned that the vehicle is so heavy that it keeps up with most trucks and SUVs in the region as long as the bottom of the car can clear the amount of snow on the road.
7:19 -- bouncy. How is the ride overall of the car compared to a decent car? My wife is worried about me getting one and trading in my car, which is really comfortable to ride in.
Good question. I was wondering the same thing when I was deciding between the 19” wheels and the 20” wheels. I had originally test driven the 19” wheels but then did a second test drive of 20”. I think the 20” wheels are good and I thought that the ride in the 19” wheels was good, too. I really didn’t notice any major difference. As far as I have learned from speaking to other people, the “sporty“ stiff suspension rides don’t really begin until you get up to 21 inches. I would say that the video is bouncy in the episode at that moment because I’m driving on quite bouncy highway with perpendicular oil sealant lines and also because my phone is propped on a little tripod on the dashboard. Not exactly high quality video production equipment. ;) But I would also say that you should test drive a model if you’re curious. I love the way the car rides and that I can feel the road just a little bit. It is certainly on the sportier side rather than cruise liner soft side. But do test drive 19” wheels to see.
Interesting. I'll have to run a test with and without it. In one of my first videos I chat about some of the odd sounds that come out of the car, and the heat pump almost sounds like heavy breathing sometimes... as if the car is producing heat in batches of air and then releases it all at once. It kinda freaked me out at first, but if it helps my battery then I'll happily take some freaky late night breathing coming out of the dash!
Yep, the airplane noise could have been the preconditioning of the battery of you were navigating to a supercharger.
Bangs and pops are the metal sheeting in the battery pack flexing with temperature change.
Look forward to more cold weather testing. Can't wait to take delivery next week of a Model Y and drive from VA to MN. I'm sure I'll be heading to Duluth on my trip, love that city.
Best of luck on your Model Y. I love mine! And the drive should be pretty straight forward for you. Plan on charging, charging relatively often, and having a hobby to pass the time. During my super charging I either work on these videos, check office emails, nap, or chat with other Tesla owners who are often super friendly and chatty.
You've clearly been using the "Consumption" screen quite a bit, but I haven't seen you use the "Trip" view much. It's a great way to track your progress mid-drive on where the car thinks it will arrive with and it's updated using the consumption numbers (as well as the upcoming elevation)
It's likely harder to trust in these winter conditions (where I agree keeping a healthy 10+% buffer is a good idea), but the trip view is pretty spot on once you've been driving for a bit. Since EV range is so defined by aerodynamics, if you're running low on battery you can always just slow down. Consumption skyrockets with speed, so dropping speed even a little can add enough range to make it (or keep that 10% buffer). I think you mentioned driving 65 mph all day at one point so you're clearly aware of speed being a factor, but with the help of the trip meter you can actively manage it as opposed to passively picking a speed and sticking with it.
Another thing I haven't heard you mention is the Tesla trip planner optimizes for fewest stops and not shortest journey. Since the battery charges significantly faster 80%, the best strategy is to keep the battery charge relatively low and hop charger to charger, doing more 15-20 minute charges rather than fewer but longer charges. The route you're on is quite rural so there are not that many superchargers and it might not affect the trip that much, but as you approach more built up areas you have more choice. Make sure you always navigate to a supercharger so the car and precondition and be ready for max charge.
I also haven't seen you plugged in at any hotels. Especially in that cold weather, even a 110V plug with a departure time will make a huge difference, plus you can use the app to turn on the climate controls ahead of time and use wall power rather than eating battery warming things up.
Excellent feedback. Thanks! I’m still quite new at all this. I did end up using a J1772 charger in Jackson, Wyoming which was really convenient near my hotel. And then again at a hotel in Fargo. The last two days here in Duluth I’ve been warming up the car in advance of jumping in. And definitely, I’ve noticed that the car preconditions the battery as I get near a city/town where I will Supercharge. All great things to learn as I get used to my new electric life. As for the average consumer as the world further electrifies, not sure many will be as keen as us to care about these sort of details... kind of like hyper-miling with an ICE. Possible but few care to do so. In any case, I’ll take your advice on using the Trip function. I have done so on occasion and will make some videos in the future about that.
LOVE THE DATA! that you show/talk about from your drives. good to know that it doesn't consume a lot of battery life when it gets down to the 20s or teens. Not a lot of Tesla videos focus on the MidWest or cold weather, so I am glad to see that you show how the battery functions.
I figured I had this great opportunity in such cold weather to share some information with people as we all move into the colder season. The People wanna know! Ha
Watching your recent videos makes me even happier to live in SW Florida. No cold weather issues.
Haha. Totally!! 🌴🌞
Very interesting. You put it so it is very easy to understand. Now I have something to play around with in my Tesly Y.
Glad you found it helpful. As the world starts going electric, I think it'll be helpful to simply things as much as possible for people so they can get on with their lives, and then for people with a little more time to say, "And here are some additional numbers and scenarios so you can start honing in on the different experiences in your own life." But I think the simple message really is: if it's a super cold day, you'll only get 50% of the EPA range. If it's a cool-cold day at/above freezing, you'll get 65% of the EPA range, and if it's a regular day, you'll get 75% of that range. And almost in no case will you get 100% :)
@@goingelectric7826 I live in "Battery Paradise" Prescott, AZ where most of the year it is between 40 and 80 degrees. lol I do notice that I only get about 75% even living here. We have one big mountain we go down to get to Phoenix. 240 miles round trip. It regens just about all of the way down but uses a lot of power to get back up. I guess one cancels out the other? It says I will have 3% left but like you I want a little extra power so I stop and charge for maybe 15 min. You are correct about 75%.
kWh's = "Keewah's". Brilliant!
It rolls off the tongue so much easier than KiloWatt hour! Haha 😉 And kiwa is close enough to kiwi which would be a nice and tasty approximation as people get used to fueling up on electricity. 🥝🚙😋
So I guess I’m located in battery paradise. Seattle! Good stuff, keep the videos coming!
Lucky you, Battery Paradise! 🔋🏝
The bangs and pops only happen in really cold weather. It's the expansion and contraction with heat generated by the battery pack combined with the cold weather. For the model 3, i scheduled a service appointment, and they added some sort of insulation to dampen the noise. Haven't noticed it with my model Y yet.
Good to know. It doesn't concern me anymore and is even kind of fun, like I know my Model Y is alive.
On the range calculations and comfort level, how accurate do you think the on board estimator is at predicting the state of charge at arrival? If you find that is always close to being accurate, then all you have to do is charge to a level that results in your desired comfort level before leaving, as you are doing now. It makes sense to do your own calculations at first until such point that you can trust Tesla's predictions. I do like your calculations. I will use those too, at first. Since the Model Y just came out in March, no one has gone through a winter with one yet to see how the heat pump will help with cold weather efficiency, so that will be interesting to see in action. As someone from Canada, planning to get a Y or a 3 with a heat pump, you have my interest. I have been waiting for the heat pump to make it's way into the Model 3.
Great points. My sense is that the percentage charge estimator strangely comes in on the low end when I plug in to charge... but once I've charged up to a percentage I prefer and I start on my trip then the navigation/mapping program calculates the expected amount of battery remaining upon arrival very well. I did a little competition between me and the Tesla estimation in a previous video and Tesla spanked me... so I think for the time being I'll stick to my numbers in terms of percentage charge, but will trust Tesla's numbers once I get on the road. Apparently there are some third party apps out there that people swear by to do the calculations for them. I will have to look into those.
@@goingelectric7826 Yes, I suggested that you try A better Route Planner (ABRP) as it is very well known and respected. If you use their premium version, it actually ties into your car and logs every aspect of everyone of your charging sessions. Bjorn Nyland, who I consider to be the most knowledgeable EV UA-camr anywhere, did a challenge between his own calculations vs. Tesla vs. ABRP in this video. I think you would find it interesting to watch. ua-cam.com/video/NdJ6fnpQnqA/v-deo.html
When travelling in the northern states, most hotels and motels will have outdoor plugs for powering block heaters in ICE cars. Have you tried charging overnight using the cars 120 volt charger. This would allow conditioning the battery in the morning without paying for a charge and using the cars battery to warm the interior.
That’s an excellent suggestion. I will try that next time I pass through the region. 🙏
Few things, the hum noise you mention is the heat pump system for sure, completely normal. It will run much heavier than in the summer ( in AC mode unless really hot). The pops you hear while driving can be battery but you usually hear those when charging due to temperature difference. Sometimes they can also be the contactors opening and closing however in the cold the pop sounds are more than likely the octovalve system switching positions to change where coolant is going. That system will change positions a lot more in the winter than the summer.
Good to know! All interesting new sounds to get used to while I go electric.
I heard that loud bang while charging lol
Takes a while to get used to! 💥
The range in city driving, with low speed with low fan n seat warmers is def. gonna be higher than 200 mile. I think no need to worry for daily commute during winter. Great video....you should do snow driving with stock tires next.
I definitely will once the weather turns nasty again. :)
Thanks for the preview of winter time consumption. It won't get to those Temps around here until late December.
I'm actually surprised it was so cold here this early in the season (says the guy from California), so that has been an interesting and even fun twist on my cross-country drive. But helpful to learn all these things in October which will help me prepare for the upcoming moths.
Pro Tip of the Day: the seat heater(s) use a fraction of the energy as compared to the cabin heater/climate control. Seat heat on 3/high & cabin temp 65 is much more efficient that seat heater off and cabin temp of 70.
Good point. I've been experimenting with that and have sufficiently roasted my backside across the country numerous times this week. Haha. Definitely helpful on those 9 degree days! (The warmers in these Tesla seats work REALLY well.)
@@goingelectric7826 I have also found the TezLab app very useful for “real world range” predictions.
DW, the humming is completely normal. The model Y has a heat pump (sound just like the A/C) and it runs when it needs too heat the cabin or battery pack.
Definitely took some getting used to but now I find it quite comforting. Literally. 🔥
I drove 200 miles round trip from Las Vegas to Beatty at the end of July. from Vegas to Beatty it was 367 WH/mi. The return trip was 311....quite a bit better. Maybe down hill. Temp was 107 going north and 102 going south. I was driving 5 over speed limit most of the way. My computer shown average 70 mph northbound and 68 southbound.
That’s pretty impressive for such hot weather. I’m wondering if hot weather is more efficient than cold weather.
When did Moby start making Tesla videos...
I always tell people, "I'm not Moby but he's my cousin." 😉
I don’t have my MY yet but some people say that the first thing they do when getting to a Supercharger is to enter in a destination for the next supercharger and then charge till your amount left at destination gets to what you feel comfortable with. Would this be accurate for cold weather? Also, I write apps for Apple iOS and all your math makes me want to create an simple app for it.
Good tip. I'll try that on my next trip later in the week - from Duluth to Green Bay. Apparently there are some trip planning apps out there that other viewers have mentioned so I may need to take a look at those. But yeah, a super simple app could be sweet. Also, I like the idea of maintaining my privacy and not handing over my login account details or other private info for some of the more sophisticated apps. Convenient, but at a price!
Standard range is a no go in the cold.
Yeah, I’m a little surprised Tesla decided to come out with it. I’d be interested to see what the actual market is of a car that realistically is looking at not 244 miles (EPA advertised) but something closer in temperate weather to 170 miles and in cold weather to 120. If you’re charging at home even in cold weather and driving less than 120 miles then that certainly wouldn’t be a problem, but intercity travel on a really cold day would be super sketchy. Buying an electric car is not too dissimilar from memory on a phone: if you’re using your device for anything above the absolute bare minimum, buy the most capacity you can afford! Now I will say that over the past several weeks I have sort of been wishing I had shelled out the extra money for the performance version of the car. I am starting to enjoy spanking other drivers when they challenge me to a speed duel off the line. The performance model would make that even more shameful to them. Haha. (With my 20 inch wheels and a performance package I can only imagine how that would hit my range! But it would be soooooo fun!!) And the final piece of good news: after I got my front left power assist brake assembly unit replaced a couple weeks back, my efficiency has improved by about 20% which I love love love!!!
@@goingelectric7826 nice! I'm assuming you already purchased the performance boost and are still craving a little more power! lol
Not yet. I’m still too cheap (officially)... but seriously tempted for that boost! 🏎
Been looking at that smudge…and then I saw his comment about it. 😀
Prospective owner here, so don't have real world experience. So Tesla says normal (I guess ideal) range is 326 miles for the Y. If the effective max of the battery is 72kwh that'd mean it'd burn around 221 kwh/mile. I've just started watching Tesla videos recently and seem to remember someone showing 280 kwh/mile on their display. Tesla claims the Y can go 4.1 miles per kwh. Math just isn't adding up for that 326 mile expected range in ideal conditions. Just wondering if any Y owners in warmer climates see consumption around 250kwh/mile normally. Thanks for the awesome videos btw.
As far as I understand, Tesla advertises the rating provided by the Environmental Protection Agency and EPA figures for fuel efficiency even for gasoline cars are notoriously overrated. I have been collecting some data since I started my travels from California out to the Midwest two weeks ago and I will produce a video about some of that over the next couple weeks. (I am primarily doing highway driving which is less efficient than city/suburban driving.) When I was in California/San Francisco (hills!) I noticed that the average range of the battery seemed to be around 240 miles. I’ve seen others mention 260. But I think any numbers above that are very rare.
For distance driving, check some of the cross country videos by Out of Spec Motoring. He drives, tests and reviews EVs. He also does a lot of short term charging (15-20 minutes) on his cross country trips. He has competed in the EV Cannonball across the US. It might be worth a quick look.
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I thought the heat pump was suppose to take care of the battery deficiency ? Maybe 25% reduction in cold weather rather than 50%?
🤷🏻♂️ I think one issue is that the EPA numbers are pure fiction. So once you get past that, you’re looking at a max ideal-conditions range of something closer to 240-260 miles. Max max. So the 9°F cold weather 180-mile range I was getting is a 25-30% reduction from good weather range. That’s not totally unreasonable given the way batteries function and need to be maintained in extreme weather. But people should be aware that 180-200 miles is the MAX they’re going to get in cold weather and plan appropriately. Unfortunately I don’t have a Model Y with the old heating system for comparison (nor does anyone). Either we’ll have to wait for Model 3 comparisons or perhaps someone would need to extract both systems from each and just do some energy consumption tests on both, then extrapolate the results and project them onto other models’ batteries.
I think the efficiency on driving in extreme heat and cold is about the same.
Will be good to track my mileage the longer I drive the Y.
Hi, how are the stock tires in the snow? I have the same ones, but it has yet to snow by me. Just curious how well they do.
I have to say that my driving in the snow was pretty light. Most roads were quite clear and the only snow I drove on was a couple dirt roads up in Wyoming with just a couple inches here and there, and then a little bit of ice in Montana. The car certainly is not above the laws of physics and I could definitely feel traction control kicking in and not always winning on the ice. But overall I’ve been very pleased with how it has driven so far. Still waiting for a good snowstorm to blow through the Midwest before I get back on the road and head down to Texas and the Deep South where am I not expecting to see too much snow. I did see a UA-cam video recently of a guy in Montana who tried driving through 11 inches of snow and he got stuck. It was pretty entertaining. I did speak with a gentleman in a Model S in North Dakota who never has any problems driving through the snow. He mentioned that the vehicle is so heavy that it keeps up with most trucks and SUVs in the region as long as the bottom of the car can clear the amount of snow on the road.
7:19 -- bouncy. How is the ride overall of the car compared to a decent car? My wife is worried about me getting one and trading in my car, which is really comfortable to ride in.
Good question. I was wondering the same thing when I was deciding between the 19” wheels and the 20” wheels. I had originally test driven the 19” wheels but then did a second test drive of 20”. I think the 20” wheels are good and I thought that the ride in the 19” wheels was good, too. I really didn’t notice any major difference. As far as I have learned from speaking to other people, the “sporty“ stiff suspension rides don’t really begin until you get up to 21 inches. I would say that the video is bouncy in the episode at that moment because I’m driving on quite bouncy highway with perpendicular oil sealant lines and also because my phone is propped on a little tripod on the dashboard. Not exactly high quality video production equipment. ;) But I would also say that you should test drive a model if you’re curious. I love the way the car rides and that I can feel the road just a little bit. It is certainly on the sportier side rather than cruise liner soft side. But do test drive 19” wheels to see.
The airplane noise might have been your heat pump running.
Interesting. I'll have to run a test with and without it. In one of my first videos I chat about some of the odd sounds that come out of the car, and the heat pump almost sounds like heavy breathing sometimes... as if the car is producing heat in batches of air and then releases it all at once. It kinda freaked me out at first, but if it helps my battery then I'll happily take some freaky late night breathing coming out of the dash!
Agreed, KWH to my wife is meaningless ;-)
Haha... 🤣
Surprised americans count consumption in kilowatts and wh/mile and not like ouncewatts, poundwatts or footwatts
America is more complex and global than many people think. 😊🇺🇸