As far as comparisons go... (stands up and slow claps). That was the best comparison between 2 models I've ever watched. Thank you for putting so much time into these to give us viewers a more understanding of the differences between these 2 models.
Thanks for the review. I too would like to see a direct comparison with the UHD-65 and 5040ub, include DCI-P3 coverage and accuracy, calibrated brightness, contrast, motion, resolution, artifacts (including RBE) and build quality (although I already know how much nicer the Epson is in this regard). Thanks again!
Yes, we will consider doing a UHD65 vs 5040UB but not until after CEDIA and we know what changes may be coming first. We do know that the 5040UB is not the performance of the LS10500 which we did compare and the UHD65 was clearly sharper and more detailed on 4K material but interestingly the amazing blacks of the LS10500 were not clearly better than the UHD65 on most scenes. Check this blog for high res images between the two. www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/ For sure compare the detail of the 4K earth on the last slide and you'll see what we discovered as the 5040, 4040 and LS10500 as all use the same 4K enhancement and it cannot compete with this new 8.3 million pixels on the screen technology.
OMG that's what I call a GOOD comparision!!! Great job, thx!!! Is there any option to get details where can I get these reference videos to do my own calibration?
Really some fun & exciting stuff to see. Informative side-by-side comparison of the Optoma 4k units. These are the things that make AV so darn interesting.
Thanks for the review, lots of hard work. With the black level comparison at 5:00, on the UHD60 the scene has colour information outlining the sky against trees on the horizon that is missing completely from UHD65, which appears completely crushed to black. Is this really a benefit? I feel if both projectors are indeed properly calibrated to the best they can be, that horizon outline should preferably be clearly visible on the UHD65 if the UHD60 shows it as well? Bit confused here! I would trust manual calibration with something like an i1 displaypro calibration tool versus 'factory calibration' with a reference mode, where you don't really know how stringent they were calibrating
I would agree, however I can tell you that the blacks on the UHD65 (when both calibrated and set up) are deeper on the UHD65 due to its use of a RGB RGB color wheel which sacrifices some brightness for better color and also results in better blacks. Having worked with both projectors if you are interested in the better color and the better blacks UHD65 is it.
Thanks for the comparison. The judder on the UHD60 is probably something that'll be hard to deal with (specially when also paired with PAL sources for sports), it looked pretty bad, and the input lag on the UHD65 will be hard to deal with for gaming. Hoping for some firmware fixes in the near future for both, to at least fix the PAL input problem, then they might be back on my radar.
Since we do not have PAL sources here we'll defer PAL evaluations to others for now. I would guess you are correct, it might be hard for the UHD60 but have no way of verifying here.
Thank you for the great comparison, this is easily the most informative and useful one comparing these two models. Would you ever consider doing a side by side of the UHD65 and the 5040UB? They are direct competition in price point and there I think it would be huge help for people trying to decide between the two (e.g. comparison of black levels and detail based on source (FHD vs UHD).
Yes, we will consider doing a UHD65 vs 5040UB but not until after CEDIA and we know what changes may be coming first. We do know that the 5040UB is not the performance of the LS10500 which we did compare and the UHD65 was clearly sharper and more detailed on 4K material but interestingly the amazing blacks of the LS10500 were not clearly better than the UHD65 on most scenes. Check this blog for high res images between the two. www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/ For sure compare the detail of the 4K earth on the last slide and you'll see what we discovered as the 5040, 4040 and LS10500 as all use the same 4K enhancement and it cannot compete with this new 8.3 million pixels on the screen technology.
Thanks Ted, watched this video and read the comparison as well. I don't believe I saw it in the material, but can you comment at all on general comparison of the UHD65 vs either the LS10500 or the 4040 once you no longer have a 4k source? When viewing 1080p content, does the UHD65 still compete or is it worse (ie does it upscale well enough to still do things that it did well to compete originally?)
Yes, the UHD 65 does upscale very well but the Epsons have slightly better color (wider gamut) and better blacks but only on some scenes. When it comes to its native contrast (see the comparison at www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/ its hard to beat a DLP, however when it comes to deep velvet like blacks the iris in the LS10500 can definitely go to a deeper black. If you anticipate ever going to 4K UHD BluRays I would still choose the Optoma UHD65 over any of the Epsons because of the contrast, detail and sharpness.
Great video. I went with the UHD60, and it looks great with REC. 709 content. But with 4K in HDR, I feel like I need to calibrate it. Looking for brightness/contrast levels. Is there something you can recommend or have settings of your own ? Thanks
We recommend the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark Blu Ray disc. It has all the test patterns to help set up your projector for optimum contrast and color levels. Since every projector is slightly different it is best to set up each projector individually.
If you are in the United States - yes! I'm checking on shipping status now - as we can't keep them in fast enough for the demand we're getting. However, when we do get them, shipping is free: www.tvspecialists.com/product/UHD65/
Thanks for the fantastic video! I have a question related to input lag: Do you expect the UHZ65 to have input lag closer to the UHD60 or UHD65? I play games and feel the UHD65 wouldn't be a good choice because of it's high lag. Thanks!
You are welcome, thanks for watching, yes, probably same delay as UHD65 because of the "Pure processing engine" they are using in the UHD65, however, we do not know yet for sure. We are currently scheduled to begin testing on the UHZ65 on the14th of September so we should know more then or after CEDIA on the 8th.
Bryan Lakin Thanks for the very informative video. I'm debating between UHD60 and UHZ65. Will I notice a dramatic difference if I don't have UHZ with pure motion engine? I'm a gamer, but I also watch a lot of sports. Trying to find a good medium.
Please keep in mind when viewing this comparison, the more accurate your display you are watching, the more accurate view of what we saw you will have. Make sure you are as close to natural or warm or D65 color temperature and color, contrast and hue are set properly. Make sure you can see the vertical pluge medium grey bar at 3:56 or you will not see the comparisons even close to what we saw here.
Should be no comparison if you are interested or planning on upgrading to a 4K Blu Ray source, the UHD 60 should be noticably better. On HD sources the manufacture specs would indicate a significant difference as well, better blacks, better color, better contrast. Since I have not seen the two side by side I would recommend a side by side if you can arrange it. Most dealers who handle the UHD65 (custom install dealers) should be willing to facilitate a side by side with a UHD60 as well.
Hi, great video.....I read in the comments that you mention these projectors arent meant to go larger, my screen is 140" diag. is that too large? I was looking to purchase the UHD 60 but now you have me thinking....
For the UHD65 we recommend up to a 106" and for the UHD60 up to a 130", however, that is for a better 4K HDR experience. If you are mainly doing HD and occasionally 4K HDR then either would give a respectable image if the screen gain is a least 1 and the room is theater dark. The more ideal projector would be the UHZ65 as it can deliver a very respectable image at 140". The UHD60 is rated the same but they are not even close when set at a usable color quality. (The UHD60 goes very green above 1,600 lumens, so 1,600 lumens vs. 2,800 lumens).
Typically home theaters with this level of projector are 90" to 140". For this brightness level in a fully dark room 140" would be about the max if you want respectable HDR. If you want some lighting on (not direct sunlight however) then I would keep the size in the 90-105" range. It is a very different experience than a regular flat panel TV. If set up properly with good seating it is more compelling and more similar to a movie going experience than watching TV.
We do not currently have the required flat black room, with black-out outfits and other requirements to properly test the actual contrast. We are just calibrating and comparing. We do not feel that numbers alone (you can find some measurements on AVSForum) do justice to how a projector compares and actually looks to the eye. We feel the side by side is the best way to judge a projector especially when there are other factors which combine to create the look and balance of the image from a given projector. For example we would never have guessed that the image from the UHD65 could give the LS10500 and VPL-VW365 a run for their money but it does. Not in every way but overall for under $5K we have not seen anything we would recommend for 4K better than the UHD65 so far.
It all depends on the screen type and viewing environment. If bright living room or for competitive serious gaming application then Epson is probably the better choice. If controlled light home theater and 4K blurays then Optoma clear choice.
Yes, here they are but keep in mind they will be different for every UHD65 but may or may not help yours: Color mode, Reference, Contrast -1, Brightness 0, Tint -2, Color 1, Red gain -4, Green gain +3, Blue gain +2, We were able to achieve a color temperature of 6550 degrees on our unit.
Hi Ted! thank you so much for this comparison, I have the UHD60 but feel I am not getting it to run its full potential. Can you please share the calibration settings for the UHD60 as well? i.e. CMS, white balance etc...? thanks in advance
Hello Ted, just purchased the uhd60-im new to projectors znf the settings. Enjoyed the detailed video-i was also wondering if you would be willing to share the calibration settings? Thank you in advance.
Would like to know your personal opinion when comparing UHD60 and UHD65. Here in EU (Estonia) i got a quote from retailer: UHD60: 1925€ (~2260 USD) UHD65: 2840€ (~3330 USD) Which would be better value? Is the UHD65 worth more than +1000 USD extra? The tech prices in EU are insane... compared to US.
The UHD65 is clearly better for color, contrast, and the best cinema images. The UHD60 is best if used in a bright room and or if you are a gamer and need the faster response time.
Thank you, your comparisons are very professional and well explained. Could you compare also UHD65 with UHZ65? It would be interesting to see the motion reproduction and color richness differences of these two projectors. Also hear your opinion on differences in experienced rainbow artefacting.
Do you guys know what the best projectors would be for 4K uhd and gaming? If the option for a good 4K gaming projector included the uhd60, would you still recommend it today being 2 years old or do you think there are better options?
If you are a serious gamer and need less than 40 ms then the Sony VPL-VW295ES is one of the few 4K projectors capable of achieving under 40 ms. The UHD60 is about 50 ms but does not have the color, contrast or black levels of the Sony. The Epson 6050UB is also capable of under 40 and a great projector but not quite the detail of the Sony. I would go Sony first, then Epson, and then the UHD60 in terms of gaming speed.
Hey , I’m looking to purchase one of these projectors .. I will be using it in my basement and I watch a lot of movies and sports but I also like to game .. can you game on the uhd 65? Is it really bad for gaming .. I don’t play a lot online just single player games mostly
Either will work OK for casual gaming but for serious online gaming neither would be considered very fast. The 60 would be slightly faster but only in the 45-60 ms range from what most reviews indicate. The 65 is closer to 65 to 85 depending on settings.
Great video - very helpful. What's your recommendation for 160" diagonal screen? And if it's "neither" or "Sony VPL-VW365ES is only option," that's fine - just need to know.
It will depend on the gain of the screen, the ambient light in the room, and the level of color you are willing to live with. We'll know more after CEDIA next week, but if a gain of 1.0 is the screen, a dark room and 160" I would say the VPL-VW365ES is the only real option if you want decent HDR capability as well.
Thank you for your comparison of Optoma UHD65 and UHD60. Information you provided was very helpful. I am in the process of choosing projector to build 3D projection system using Omega 3D filters. Even though my 3D video today is 1080P I would l like the set to show 4k movies as well.
I have the UHD60 mounted 17 feet away from my screen 150in screen. I’m seeing some artifacts/pixelation and banding when viewing 4K content. Any thoughts on this? I have not calibrated the projector. Did I purchase the wrong projector?
How would the UD65 fare in an ambient light situation like a living room where the lights directly over the screen could be turned off? I have a 3,000 Lumens Epson HC1040 now and I would say that is acceptable, doubts about 2,200 lumens though. Also the rainbow effect on the Optoma 142x was very noticeable for me, would this color wheel mostly be similar or because of the higher end technology not be as much of a factor? Thank you!
Probably significantly brighter than the HC1040 because of the older technology and saturated color. If it really could put out 3,000 lumens the color would not be its best as typically in its cinema or movie mode it will drop 30-40%. Also if the lamp has over 200 hours it also drops by about 20%. The newer lamps with longer life like this one tend to keep their brightness much longer. We have found for larger screens or more ambient light the "Vivid" color mode is very good and should be close to or better than what you are used to in terms of brightness. RGB/RGB color wheels have much less rainbowing than other color wheels. Very few can even detect it on this one.
Thank you! This comment was very helpful, only just realized that I don't even use my HC1040 in it's bright mode with ambient light on because I noticed the image quality drop when I first was setting it up. I'm also definably over 200 hours at this point. No rainbow effect also; I'm sold on the UHD65 over the 60 now. Time to save up.
good morning !, I am from Argentina and I would like to buy a projector, but I never had the opportunity to try one, I am between two possibilities a 1080p projector of 550 dollars or a projector 4k of 1800 dollars, the projection size would be between 150 inches and 200 inches but it is a lot of price difference between 4k and 1080p and I wanted to know if this difference in resolution is really noticeable observing the screen at a short distance to justify the price because in the UA-cam comparative videos between both resolutions is not appreciable difference, to know if they could send photos or some comparison of image between these two projectors would be very grateful!
The larger the image the more noticeable the difference between full HD and 4K UHD. The UHD60 or the UHZ65 should have enough brightness for the 150 inch but for the 200 inch we would recommend the UHZ65 as it is significantly brighter than the UHD60 despite what the specs say. If the UHZ is out of your budget we would suggest staying at 150" and keep the brightness up for the HDR capability.
Can u do a comparison between the UHD65 and the new LG Hu80ka that's releasing this year plz? I see some people by have it and are doing reviews on it already, figure u may have one since your in the business. After your comparison I'm buying one of them TIA. I'll buy from you aswell!
The reference mode on both projectors out of the box is usable and in the ballpark for decent color but if you want to get the most out of these projectors you should calibrate them in what ever mode you prefer to watch in. We have found that the cinema mode is out of the box closest to D65 especially if you turn the "Brillant Color" setting in the Color Settings (third menu in) down to 7 or eight if you just want to quickly get close.
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. I understand that people want to see,I wanted to see it. But it should be mentioned that the UHD60 is made for a living room with more ambient light, and maybe a gray screen. The UHD65 i made for a dedicated HT setup with controllable lighting. If you did the same test with more ambient light and a grey screen I'm pretty sure the UHD60 would come out on top.
Even though the UHD60 is rated much higher (3,000 vs 2,200 lumens) and is indeed capable of brighter images with slightly compromised color, we were very surprised to find if you put the UHD60 in reference mode to get its best color accuracy it is not brighter than the UHD65 and is still not as accurate as color (RGB/RGB vs RGBCY wheel). If cost or gaming is main need then UHD60 is best fit, otherwise UHD65 is usually best.
@@tedbollinger3306 This is extremely helpful to me as a novice. I am trying to decide between the 60 and 65. Will be used in a living room..( shown on plain white painted drywall......around 120-140 inches)..so some ambient light during the day but could be dark at night with maybe a light on. I am wondering if the brightness diff on the 60 is enough to make a difference in a living room in this situation ( would it make the picture that much more watchable) and if so will the color accuracy loss really be that noticeable to a novice? Can you have the best of both worlds on the 60?......calibrate down to best color ( loss brightness) and have same image as 65.......but when you need more brightness change the settings and give up the color only when you have to?...or maybe the answer is the JVC or Epson 5040
@@markmcdonel3287 It all depends on which color mode you are in. The UHD60 can be brighter but at a cost of decent color. We were surprized to learn when we tested them both that when you try and get the best color out of the 60 they were actually very close but the UHD65 had considerably better contrast and even better color. If they are both in their brightest modes called "Bright" then the 60 is brighter but both images are very green and we consider them really unusable for most viewing applications.
11:42 UHD65 has lower black level, but the letterboxes are the equally dark on both projectors. It means UHD60 is not calibrated properly for black levels.
Not necessarily, the projectors use the same .66 DLP chip and the contrast ratio in a scene with brightness may appear very similar until the scene goes very dark at which point the UHD65 should be able to show its better black levels.
@@tedbollinger3306 Look again at 11:42, it's a totally black screen with white letters. The black bars are equally black on UHD60 and 65. But the picture between black bars is brighter on UHD60. It should be as dark as the black bars.
Just bought a UHD 60 and I seem to get a lot of banding with Amazon and Netflix UHD content as well as when gaming. Will a Proper calibration totally eliminate banding on the UHD60?
Not usually, the banding is probably caused by lack of high bit rate and or color space. If you are running less than 10 bit on the source side you will get banding on most projectors on some scenes. If you have tried using "reference mode" (almost zero banding on a 10 bit UHD disk if the player output is set up properly) and you see no banding then the banding you are seeing is definitely the compression and lack of bit depth and color depth on the source side. The test we use is the UHD 4K Guadians of the Galaxy II on the scene they are fling inside the "Celestial" egg. it is all smooth gradients and unless you set your player to 12 bit 4:4:4 and projector to " reference" you will usually see banding.
Unfortunately, since each projector is slightly different we do not share calibration settings. We recommend the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition bluray to do basic set up and color settings.
if you turn off pure motion on the UHD65, will it work just as the UHD60 in referencing to gaming? Id prefer the deluxe model but don't want to suffer longer input lag while I game.
The UHD65 has a longer (in the 65-80ms) range even if the pure motion engine is turn off. If it is "on" the latency can reach as high as 120 ms. If you are a competitive online ganer the UHD60 may be the better choice.
If it has manual exposure or exposure lock you might try that. You would need to be very close and focus on the fine grid pattern so if the phone has a close up mode I would try that at under 10" or closer.
Great video of comparisons. Im planning to buy the uhd65 but i think in my country is too high a price. They sell here for about $4500 so if you could do a comparison between the uhd65 and the uhd 50 coz they both have the same color wheel and nice review. Thanks a lot
We hope to do these two sometime in the future but from what I have seen so far the larger chip in the UHD65 does give a higher level of contrast and does deliver better black levels. Color should be very close and the 4K detail will also be very close which really surprised us.
Ted Bollinger thank u for the reply Ted. Also im leaning toward vivitek hk2288 compared to the UHD65 and also UHD50. And maybe also the Viewsonic PX727
The UHD51ALV is a brighter but lesser quality image than the UHD60 or UHD51A. There is a great new review just released today at projectorcentral.com you may want to check out for more details and the differences.
Curently we are waiting untill after CEDIA before any more comparisons. This will allow us to keep the field to the most relevant models including any new replacements.
Any other projectors coming out with the TI 4k chip? Have the UHD65 on order for a month now, willing to cancel and wait for comparisons as it seems won't get it for another month. From what I can tell the brightness on the Acer will be slightly off, but in a much smaller and lighter weight form factor.
WE have not seen the Acer yet but you should have no problem in getting the UHD65 now as supply has pretty much caught up. I f you need help email me at Info@TVspec.com thanks.
The 760ES appears to be the same as the US 885ES. If that is the case then the Sony should have better blacks, 3D and faster response time for gamers, but the Optoma may have a little more calibrated brightness at less than 1/5 the price and almost as detailed.
Ted Bollinger yes 885ES is the US version of our 760ES here in Germany (Europe too) on the other side the Sony is here much cheaper than at the US market only 15.000€ (18.000$) but the US price is 25.000$! This price case is very unusual for example: Oppo UHD 203 player in Europe 850€ US 550$ and Optoma UHZ65 with its 2800-3000 Lumen should be much more brighter than 2000 Lumen Sony
Ted Bollinger because of 760ES. EU price my plan for the next 2 years Optoma LASER or Sony LASER till the big XL Sony LASER at the same quality level as. JVC Z1 is 100% coming 2019 but at minimum 25.000€, now i have to sell my VW1000 (no HDR) for Optoma or VW760 for the next 2 years.
I have the UHD60 and when I check to change and calibrate my settings, I don’t get the options under sharpness, I believe on your menu it’s Color and Tint, is there a reason for that ??
Nice comparison. UDH65 looks better in every aspect except one. I see better details on UDH60 and not on UDH65? I use 1440p IPS screen with 1440p resolution of the video.
Interesting, since they use the exact same .66 DLP chip, when we do actual resolution measurements they are exactly the same. It could be the actual settings in terms of sharpness and "ultra detail" as I thought I had checked them but they could have been a few ticks off. The actual difference is just the contrast, color, and max brightness, resolution should be identical.
If you are referring to the DLP outer frame which is just outside of active video there are a couple of ways to deal with that. First on a 16:9 image on a 16:9 screen all the border should fall outside of the screen into the black edge and be undetectable. If watching 2:35:1 images you can either digitally zoom in using the remote so it fills the 16:9 or use a 2:35:1 screen with black boarders. Other than that there is not much you can do, however, if your brightness settings are set properly you should have a difficult time seeing them even in a dark room.
It will vary somewhat from each individual projector but we would suggest using the Spears & Munsil or Disney Wow Blu Rays and do at least a basic- do it yourself calibration. The black level or brightness control is especially critical on these models we have found as it seems to trigger the dynamic black modes.
Ted Bollinger I've had some issues with dynamic black causing a flicker. My newest issue is the entire screen turning pink whenever I turn on HDR content. I tried multiple certified cabled and all the hdmi eq settings. Stumped at the moment
In your opinion, what would the best projector be for watching animation with bright, saturated colors? I've been leaning towards Optoma because they seem to be very crisp, but I really like the motorized lens on the Epson projectors. Any advice?
It would depend on the level of brightness you need. If you are doing 120 or 150" then I would recommend the Optoma, if you are doing less than 120" then the Epson would be ideal as it has the "cinema" filter in digital cinema mode which is close to P3 color, however it cuts the brightness down considerably. The Optoma does not use a cinema filter so is reasonably bright in cinema or vivid mode.
@@tedbollinger3306 Are there any other projectors that are comparable, such as a Benq, Viewsonic etc? My screen is 120". Originally I used an old CRT projector (Barco Graphics 800) but the newer digital projectors look so nice. I'll probably miss the black level and color of the CRT either way though. So far I'm leaning to wards the UHD65 or UHZ65. The Epson 5040 is known for power supply issues and lacks the newer HDMI 18Gbps of other projectors. But it's a tough decision no matter what.
Personally I went with the UHZ65 and could not be more pleased. Once you've had laser you cannot go back to lamp. 0 maintenance and no 30% light loss after the first few hundred hours. Stable, rich color and very good contrast giving even a Sony a run for its money. As long as you are not one of the 1% who is sensitive to rainbows and are OK with a manual lens (it can still do same height 2:35 and 16:9) you will love the performance of the UHZ65 as I used to be a Sony only guy until this Z65 came out. (I thought you were talking about the UHD65 before which is lamp based)
@@tedbollinger3306 Ya, I was talking about the UHD at first. Rainbows might bug me, but I was under the impression that the UHD and UHZ65 were a bit better than others such as UHD60 in that respect, due to the different color wheel?
Yes, that will be our next comparison coming up in November. The laser version is brighter and slightly better color, both are amazing for their price points.
Sorry, we did not keep them as we have found that each projector, reguardless of manufacture, varies from projector to projector. We also found that it is affected by where you have the "brillant color" set on this projector. Because we have now calibrated several of the Optoma 4K models generally we have found the cinema mode to be closest out of the box to D65 and if you move the "brillant color to about 7 or 8 you should be in the ball park. In Reference mode you will need to bring down the red gain typically like -4 and blue gain -8 or -9. Red bias typically -2 or -3 and blue bias -2 as well. That should bring you fairly close and without instruments about the best you could do. Be sure and use a test disc like Spears & Munsil to get your color. contrast, brightness and hues set as well.
Now a comparison between the UHD60 and UHD51 would be amazing, since the 51 has Frame Interpolation and a better Colour Wheel for less Money and same Input lag….
We did do an internal comparison and we have now sold off our UHD60 as the color and frame interpolation are defintely better than the UHD60. What many people do not understand is that the rating of 3,000 lumens is not usable for most applications as it is way too green. The UHD60 when it is set to do at least usable color is not significantly brighter than the UHD51A.
Yes, exactly, we just met with Optoma at the CES preview of the UHD50 and they are working on getting us a sample to test. The color looked very good in their demo but they made it clear that due to the different nature of the chip it is not the same quality as the UHD60 as the 50 and 51 are 4 way actuators not the two used in the 60 series. The size of the pixels will not be as small or quite as precise. It will be interesting to compare. Also we know the contrast on the 50 series will also be less but in that price range a 4K projector with lens shift is rare.
I currently have the Epson 5030ub and I'm looking to upgrade to 4k. Which would you recommend?....the Epson 5040ub or the UHD65? Primarily used for movies, gaming, & watching live sports with a little bit of normal tv watching mixed in.
Totally depends on your environment and how serious a gamer you are. The Optoma is better on 4K HDR material and with proper settings can equal or exceed the 5040ub on 1080p material. If serious gamer or need lights on use then the Epson is the better choice.
Ted Bollinger Ok. Thanks for the info. It will be in dedicated theater but I like to have some light when watching sports or gaming. I'm not a hardcore gamer but I am sensitive to lag so that will matter. I've been doing some research and read about compatibility issues with the Epson. Something about the chipset is capped at 10 gigabit so it won't display 18 gigabit 4k content?
KLYSIZZLE and if it is possible benq x12000 DCI p3 vs uhd 65, dlp vs dlp fair comparison, I know that benq had LED light source but want to know which one gives best value for money.
We'll see what CEDIA brings in a few weeks and go from there. The black levels on the X1200 are not getting great reviews but we would like to compare for ourselves.
Yes, that has been done, but keep in mind unless you have at least a test disc like the Spears & Munsil and do a basic calibration first you may be wasting your time as even after a full calibration one should go back and re adjust the basic settings with filters and test signals.. Unless your particular projector looks way out on whites the slight changes in color temperature on this projector will vary from each projector to another. The easiest way to check your performance is to put it in the reference or cinema color mode, do a basic calibration using the filters that come with the discs as this will get the color level, tint, contrast and brightness levels close to ideal then you can go into the advanced color menu (fourth menu in from main menu) and try adjusting the "brilliant color" slightly down from 10 if you are in "cinema" mode or slight up from 1 if you are in the reference mode as this will slightly affect the color temperature but you may not need to. If you still want to change your white point you could go into the color gain settings and in most UHD65 the red should be decreased by 2 or 3 units and the blue by 5 or 6 down. I would only attempt this if you are not happy with the whites in your images as the factory settings in "cinema" are usually very close to 6500 degrees. The "reference" mode could use a little of the above if you use that mode. I would highly reccomend using the Spears & Munsil disc first and then if you still feel it is off a little you could try the above.
Unfortunately, we’re unaware of calibration services in Michigan, however, when the UHD65 is purchased through us, we provide a free calibration disc, that will walk you through the calibration. We also provide our recommend settings for the best image possible and free 3-day shipping (when we have them in-stock).
@@Tvspecialists no I didnt purchase from you guys I got from bestbuy I wish I did , because there is a firmware update for the optama UDH 60 projector and optoma wants me to ship them the projector to California for the update for 80 bucks, do you sale the calibration disc and do you do the firmware update.
Hello! Thank you for your video. Help me, please, I want to buy uhd60. I do not understand - he can show the picture well 176 "16: 9" How do you think? The difference in price between uhd60 and uhd65 is $ 1400 on amazon.com.Is it worth uhd65 extra 1400 $? I live in Russia, and only Amazon. com has a good price and shipping to Russia.What do you say about Acer h7850 or v7850? They are worse or better than uhd60? Thanks!
These projectors are not designed to go that large, you will need a different projector to do a 176" image. 105" Good, 120 " do-able in the Vivid mode max size recommended.
Neither, they do not have enough brightness for decent HDR at 4K for that size of an image. Possibly the UHZ65 (laser) would have enough brightness, It will be released later this month.
Ted Bollinger I meant what other projector will advise to watch the video in the room is not completely darkened, an ordinary living room measuring 200 "by 315" (5 meters by 8 meters). Room with light walls. I want a 176 "screen, and secondly I'm wondering which projector is best for 120" uhd65 or h7850, and what. Thank you.
As of today, I would recommend an Epson Pro projector with 4K enhancement with at least 5,000 lumens. That would include the G7400 lamp based ($3,800), or the L1100 laser based projectors. We have not tested the h7850 but it does not appear to have enough brightness as well.
Thank you very much for the video, here is my comment (in Spanish, sorry): www.mundodvd.com/optoma-uhd-60-a-139041/12/#post4059296 Muchas gracias por el video. He puesto youtube a 4K, lo he visionado en mi TV Samsung 4K en Game Mode, y es muy interesante. Hace unos día he escrito una comparativa entre en Optoma UHD60 y el Optoma HD50 (clon del HD161X), para el que la quiera leer: www.forodvd.com/tema/172193-comparativa-de-optoma-uhd60-vs-optoma-hd50-161x/ Ya sé por experiencia que un video no es ni de lejos lo mismo que verlo en vivo, pero al estar grabado con la misma cámara y en dos pantallas divididas, al menos podemos comparar un poco las diferencias entre ambos proyectores. Aunque seguramente en vivo y en directo esas diferencias son mucho más destacables o vemos otras. Comento varias cosas que he visto: Minuto 0:49 En el video los negros del UHD60 son bastante mejores que en el UHD65. Se ve en las barras y se ve en el fondo del menú. Esto no me cuadra. Creo que se han olvidado de poner las dos lámparas a igual potencia. Apostaría que el UHD60 está en Eco y el UHD65 está en Alto (sólo tiene dos modos, sin tocar el DynamicBlack). Si no es eso, es que el parámetro Gamma tampoco está igual en los dos proyectores. Por cierto, si yo hiciera comparaciónes nunca las haría en Vivid, sino en Cinema, Film, Reference o User. Minuto 1:03 Al poner el modo de imagen en Bright se ve que es o el UHD65 tiene la lámpara en Normal o la Gamma está fatal. Mirar las barras blancas del UHD65 a la izquierda, que las tres primeras no se diferencias unas de otras. Además el parámetro de contraste está a 3 y el otro a 1. Minuto 1:32 ¡En modo Vivid en el UHD60 Color está a 15! Observaciones: Ya sé que en la primera parte del video no están calibrados y que supongo que han dejado los valores de fábrica. Pero los valores de brillo, contraste, color, gama, son menús básicos que todo el mundo ajusta a ojo en cuanto le llega el proyector. Nadie, ni los más novatos, los dejan como vienen de fábrica. Supongo que ellos sólo han querido mostrar lo mal configurados que vienen de fábrica. Si es así se entiende, pero creo que esa parte sobra porque es una mera curiosidad. Entiendo que normalmente cuando decimos que hemos calibrado es porque hemos hecho un ajuste mucho más profundo, modificando los valores RGB de forma individual para tener una colorimetría más real. Pero vaya, es una opinión mía. El resultado durante los primeros 2:14 minutos "Uncalibrated" es que el UHD60 se ve mejor, con colores más intensos, mejor contraste y muchos mejores negros. Minuto 2:15 A partir del minuto 2:15 empieza el "Calibrated" en modo Reference. Vamos a ver... pues fatal, otra vez las tres primeras barras blancas de la izquierda no se distinguen entre sí y los negros siguen siendo mucho peores. Minuto 2:59 La superficie superior de la pieza de madera verde brilla más en el UHD65 que en el UHD60. Lo dicho, parece que tienen la lámpara del UHD65 en alto y la del UHD60 en Eco. Minuto 3:02 En la pieza de madera con forma de cochecito, en el UHD65 casi no se ve el agujero de en medio, por la falta de contraste y de mejores negros. Además de la lámpara en alto, no creo que el UHD65 esté bien calibrado. Además hay otra cosa sorprendente y es que el UHD65 muestra signos claros de ghosting en el movimiento de los dedos y mano del niño. Esto en un DLP es casi imposible que suceda (por no decir imposible), así que ahí hay algo que no está bien. El lag no produce ese efecto. El HD65 si tiene el FI activado las imágenes serían más nítidas, y darían menos ghosting. El UHD60 no tiene FI por lo que tampoco puede eliminar un posible efecto de sincronismo entre el móvil y la imagen. Así que no tengo ni idea de qué puede causar ese ghosting tan acusado. Minuto 3:25 En cambio aquí se ve que el UHD65 tiene mejores negros y mejor contraste que el UHD60. Fijáos en las sombras del niño, en el suelo de parket y en la manta por la esquina que está doblada. Observaciones: Parece que el UHD65 tiene un procesador integrado en la placa base que trabaja a algo más de velocidad, porque la detección de fuente, cambios de modo, menú, etc son un poco más rápidos que en el UHD60. Siempre es de agradecer, pero eso en principio no debería afectar en nada a la reproducción de las películas. Tambien parece que el lag de ambos proyectores es idéntico. Faltaría probar el modo juego, con todo desactivado. Minuto 4:40 El contraste del UHD65 está tan mal que no se distingue la silueta de los árboles con el gondo negro del cielo. Eso no es un fallo del proyector, sino un fallo de ajuste de gamma, entre otras cosas. Minuto 5:50 La configuración de cada proyector es muy diferente, pero ya la que a mi más me llama la atención es la de Sharpness (Nitidez), que en el UHD65 está en 1 y en el UHD60 está en 8 (como máximo llega a 15). Sólo hay que mirar el relieve de las columnas para ver la diferencia. A ver, este es un parámetro que no altera el color, ni los negros, ni del contraste, más allá de las sombras que profundiza. ¿Porqué lo ponen diferente? No lo entiendo... Minuto 7:12 Para confundirnos más, nos empiezan a poner imágenes con zoom que no podemos comparar porque la imagen de un lado es diferente a la del otro. Creo que aquí iban a poner el modo espejo y se han liado. El colmo es el minuto 7:34 que casi ni el trozo del puente es el mismo. Minuto 7:39 Hombre, por fin algo interesante, el parámetro PureContrast activado, que pertenece al procesador de imagen PureEngine que tiene el UHD65 (junto al PureColor y PureMotion = FI) y del que el UHD60 carece. Va señalando con el dedo y dice que se ve más definido y contrastado, pero que en el video no lo podemos apreciar. Aquí comento algo que creo que es importante. Esos detalles se notan cuando estás muy cerca de la pantalla, como está el presentador, pero a medida que te alejas la diferencia es cada vez menor. Mi duda es si el nuevo parámetro PureContrast del UHD65 es suficientemente bueno para notarlo a 4 metros. Por otro lado, la gran carencia del UHD65 es la falta del parámetro UltraDetail que sí que lleva el HD50/161X y que le da una nitidez/definición brutal a la imagen, aunque sólo sea apto para novatos como yo. Para el que quiera más detalles, en el punto 5 de la comparativa explico mejor todo esto: www.forodvd.com/tema/172193-c...oma-hd50-161x/ Minuto 9:50 Aquí un buen ejemplo de FI en el UHD65 y la falta de FI en el UHD60. Para verlo bien he tenido que poner mi TV 4K en "Modo Juego", para reducir el lag al mínimo (la mía tiene sobre 23ms y desactivar todas las opciones (FI, realce de nitidez, etc). Los saltos que pegan el texto de la parte superior y sobretodo las imagenes de la parte inferior son infernales en el UHD60 y suaves y nítidas en el UHD65. Minuto 10:27 ¡Cazado!, lo que yo decía, tiene la lámpara del UHD65 en alto (Bright), y además es probable que tenga muchas menos horas que la lámpara del UHD60, cosa que también afecta. Lo que no sabemos es si la lámpara del UHD60 la tiene en Eco o Alto (Bright), pero por lo visto, yo creo que la tiene en Eco en la mayoría del video, menos al final del video, que ambas están en Alto (Bright). Minuto 11:31 Y después de todo lo anterior, milagrosamente en las conclusiones el UHD65 se ve bastante mejor, con mejores negros (ver minuto 11:42), mejor contraste, mejores colores. Vaya, que al final ha retocado los parámetros para que mejore el UHD60 y ahora parece que sí está como debería estar. Minuto 12:12 Si sois rápidos parando el video, podréis ver el pequeño incremento de lag que tiene el UHD65 con respecto al UHD60 en modo "Reference". Probad de parar la imagen justo cuando está desapareciendo la chica negra con el niño y apareciendo Jodie Foster. Seguramente en modo "Game" con todo desactivado el UHD60 tiene bastante menos lag que el UHD65. Segundo Optoma y otros foreros 38ms vs 70ms aproximadamente. Nota final: Al del video le ha faltado activar el parámetro DynamicBlack para ver cómo se comportaqban ambos proyectores. Yo sé por experiencia que este parámetro es un lío para poder hacer comparativas, porque regula a medida que va alalizando fotogramas, tiene un comportamiento errático sobretodo si paramos las imágenes y hacemos saltos entre ellas. Pero si dejas una película durante unos minutos en ambos proyectores se estabiliza su comportamiento y se puede utilizar para comparar bastante bien. Pero con cuidado y sentido común, porque en algunos casos me ha dado imágenes totalmente desvirtuadas con negros grisáceos, blanquecinos y horrorosos en una escena oscura. Simplemente hay que tener paciencia hasta que se estabilice su funcionamiento y darse cuenta cuando está funcionando mal y bien. Tampoco me ha gustado que corte las imágenes por los laterales, ni que la prueba la haya hecho en una sala blanca en vez de una batcueva (ahí el UHD60 saldría algo mejor parado), ni la manía de decir "Optima" en vez de "Optoma", que en muchos foros hasta lo escriben mal, igual que nosotros "imput lag" cuando realmente es "input lag". Por mucho que nos hayan enseñado que "m" va antes que "p", eso es es castellano y no en inglés. Como sugerencia, una buena alternativa es decir "latencia". Saludos.
Yes, but we will probably wait for when we have a sample of the UHZ65 as well so we can compare what Optoma is saying is a wider color space on the new laser or Z version. Generally the laser versions do have even better color performance.
The color space on the UHD65 is close to REC709 and it is mapped to REC2020 color space when receiving 4K UHD sources. It is not as wide as P3 and we are anxious to compare the UHZ65 laser color space to the HUD65 when it becomes available. Thank you for your interest.
You are thinking of JVC and Epson which use 1080p imagers and electronically shift to get 4 million pixels. This new DLP technology does deliver 8.3 million pixels to the screen and compares or exceeds many native 3 chip 4K systems. There are many other reviews out now and it has surprised even the most experienced users. The Optoma 4K projectors are very detailed and sharp. Also see the "Widescreen Review" test of the UHD65 that just came out, you will be surprised. Also see projectorcentral.com for their review, it is not just our opinion, it is now established fact.
They call it pixel shifting. It is true 4K, but this time the digital chip must produce 4 times a pixel for one image on screen. So there actually are going 4k pixels through the lens. That is my understanding of it. "true 4k" however, uses 4 chips so that each chip handles one pixel of 1920x1080. 4 chips a 1920x1080 makes "true 4K". That is also the reason why "true 4K" cost so much more.
Can I use the the 65 projector if my 110 inch screen is 11 foot 3 inches from lens to screen ? How's the zoom spec ? Not sure if I should get 60 or 65 model. Save $500
The lens is a 1.39 to 2.39 so you could do a 110" from 11'1" to 17' 9". If you like accurate color, smooth motion, and less rainbow artifacts the UHD65 is better. If you are a serious gamer and are not sensitive to rainbow effects the UHD60 may be the best.
Sorry, not a US model, we did compare against Epson best, the LS10500 but the UHD65 is brighter, and more detailed, but does not have 3D or motorized lens.
I think you will love it, especially if you ever update to a 4K HDR Blu Ray player. We do have them in stock and can provide free shipping in the US if that helps.
I had bought a UHD60. I sent it back for a refund about 4 days later. I mostly game on pc and watch TV. I sent it back because the black levels were just too terrible. Watching vikings, which is mostly dusk grey settings, looked awful. The greys and blacks washed together. 11:42 in the video...... Enough said. Even in a room with little lighting control at night time that grey output by the uhd60 is very noticeable even on a high contrast grey screen.
The UHD60 does not have quite as good as blacks as the UHD65, however it can do respectable blacks and good contrast. The key is the combination of settings that are available in the menus. We include a four page document on all the 60;s and 65's we sell alnong with the Spears and Munsel set up disc. We are also working on some set up videos that should be out later this year. sorry to hear of your challenges.
the UHD60 is rated higher at 3,000 lumens, but that is also an uncalibrated rating (color is not accurate, not the best overall picture) once you dial it in a bit, that brings the brightness down quite a bit, even still the brightness remains a little brighter than the UHD635 (2,200 lumens), but does so at color acuracy. They are different projectors with different color wheels, the UHD has a wider color gamut, etc.
Actually is is quite different that the electronic e shift that JVC and the 4K enhancement that Epson uses. both those techniques are based on the very large pixels of 1080p panels. The TI DLP projectors like the Optoma use a much higher resolution chip and an "optical actuator" so they have been clasified as "true 4K UHD" resolution both by the CTA and by multiple reviewers as well as we have done side by side with 4096 4K projectors, the fine detail is there and in many cases even looks more detailed than some "true 4K" projectors. It does deliver 8.3 million pixels to the screen. Do a side by side and make your own decision as the proof is in the images.
As far as comparisons go... (stands up and slow claps). That was the best comparison between 2 models I've ever watched. Thank you for putting so much time into these to give us viewers a more understanding of the differences between these 2 models.
Your welcome - we're glad you've enjoyed it and hopefully found it useful!
Thanks for the review. I too would like to see a direct comparison with the UHD-65 and 5040ub, include DCI-P3 coverage and accuracy, calibrated brightness, contrast, motion, resolution, artifacts (including RBE) and build quality (although I already know how much nicer the Epson is in this regard). Thanks again!
Yes, we will consider doing a UHD65 vs 5040UB but not until after CEDIA and we know what changes may be coming first. We do know that the 5040UB is not the performance of the LS10500 which we did compare and the UHD65 was clearly sharper and more detailed on 4K material but interestingly the amazing blacks of the LS10500 were not clearly better than the UHD65 on most scenes. Check this blog for high res images between the two.
www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/
For sure compare the detail of the 4K earth on the last slide and you'll see what we discovered as the 5040, 4040 and LS10500 as all use the same 4K enhancement and it cannot compete with this new 8.3 million pixels on the screen technology.
OMG that's what I call a GOOD comparision!!! Great job, thx!!! Is there any option to get details where can I get these reference videos to do my own calibration?
Really some fun & exciting stuff to see. Informative side-by-side comparison of the Optoma 4k units. These are the things that make AV so darn interesting.
We're glad you find it interesting! We hope you subscribe to see future videos!
Thanks for the review, lots of hard work.
With the black level comparison at 5:00, on the UHD60 the scene has colour information outlining the sky against trees on the horizon that is missing completely from UHD65, which appears completely crushed to black. Is this really a benefit? I feel if both projectors are indeed properly calibrated to the best they can be, that horizon outline should preferably be clearly visible on the UHD65 if the UHD60 shows it as well? Bit confused here! I would trust manual calibration with something like an i1 displaypro calibration tool versus 'factory calibration' with a reference mode, where you don't really know how stringent they were calibrating
I would agree, however I can tell you that the blacks on the UHD65 (when both calibrated and set up) are deeper on the UHD65 due to its use of a RGB RGB color wheel which sacrifices some brightness for better color and also results in better blacks. Having worked with both projectors if you are interested in the better color and the better blacks UHD65 is it.
Thanks for the comparison. The judder on the UHD60 is probably something that'll be hard to deal with (specially when also paired with PAL sources for sports), it looked pretty bad, and the input lag on the UHD65 will be hard to deal with for gaming. Hoping for some firmware fixes in the near future for both, to at least fix the PAL input problem, then they might be back on my radar.
Since we do not have PAL sources here we'll defer PAL evaluations to others for now. I would guess you are correct, it might be hard for the UHD60 but have no way of verifying here.
Thank you for the great comparison, this is easily the most informative and useful one comparing these two models. Would you ever consider doing a side by side of the UHD65 and the 5040UB? They are direct competition in price point and there I think it would be huge help for people trying to decide between the two (e.g. comparison of black levels and detail based on source (FHD vs UHD).
Yes, we will consider doing a UHD65 vs 5040UB but not until after CEDIA and we know what changes may be coming first. We do know that the 5040UB is not the performance of the LS10500 which we did compare and the UHD65 was clearly sharper and more detailed on 4K material but interestingly the amazing blacks of the LS10500 were not clearly better than the UHD65 on most scenes. Check this blog for high res images between the two.
www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/
For sure compare the detail of the 4K earth on the last slide and you'll see what we discovered as the 5040, 4040 and LS10500 as all use the same 4K enhancement and it cannot compete with this new 8.3 million pixels on the screen technology.
Thanks Ted, watched this video and read the comparison as well. I don't believe I saw it in the material, but can you comment at all on general comparison of the UHD65 vs either the LS10500 or the 4040 once you no longer have a 4k source? When viewing 1080p content, does the UHD65 still compete or is it worse (ie does it upscale well enough to still do things that it did well to compete originally?)
Yes, the UHD 65 does upscale very well but the Epsons have slightly better color (wider gamut) and better blacks but only on some scenes. When it comes to its native contrast (see the comparison at www.tvspecialists.com/optoma-uhd65-projector-comparison-epson-pro-cinema-ls10500/ its hard to beat a DLP, however when it comes to deep velvet like blacks the iris in the LS10500 can definitely go to a deeper black. If you anticipate ever going to 4K UHD BluRays I would still choose the Optoma UHD65 over any of the Epsons because of the contrast, detail and sharpness.
Great video. I went with the UHD60, and it looks great with REC. 709 content. But with 4K in HDR, I feel like I need to calibrate it. Looking for brightness/contrast levels. Is there something you can recommend or have settings of your own ? Thanks
We recommend the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark Blu Ray disc. It has all the test patterns to help set up your projector for optimum contrast and color levels. Since every projector is slightly different it is best to set up each projector individually.
Very informative. Thank you again for helping me make a decision. Optoma's UHD series is definitely a game changer.
Glad it was helpful to you!
Thank you!!! I'm going to get my uhd65, when I save enough money, from you guys!
We would be delighted to help you!
Dean Humpherys where can I purchase the uhd65?
TVS Pro can I purchase uhd65 from your store?
If you are in the United States - yes! I'm checking on shipping status now - as we can't keep them in fast enough for the demand we're getting.
However, when we do get them, shipping is free: www.tvspecialists.com/product/UHD65/
Just verified we do have some in stock now! But they have been going fast once we get them.
Thanks for the fantastic video! I have a question related to input lag: Do you expect the UHZ65 to have input lag closer to the UHD60 or UHD65? I play games and feel the UHD65 wouldn't be a good choice because of it's high lag. Thanks!
You are welcome, thanks for watching, yes, probably same delay as UHD65 because of the "Pure processing engine" they are using in the UHD65, however, we do not know yet for sure. We are currently scheduled to begin testing on the UHZ65 on the14th of September so we should know more then or after CEDIA on the 8th.
Bryan Lakin Thanks for the very informative video. I'm debating between UHD60 and UHZ65. Will I notice a dramatic difference if I don't have UHZ with pure motion engine? I'm a gamer, but I also watch a lot of sports. Trying to find a good medium.
Please keep in mind when viewing this comparison, the more accurate your display you are watching, the more accurate view of what we saw you will have. Make sure you are as close to natural or warm or D65 color temperature and color, contrast and hue are set properly. Make sure you can see the vertical pluge medium grey bar at 3:56 or you will not see the comparisons even close to what we saw here.
Which would you recommend i get for watching primarily sports, football and basketball. I will also frequently play PS4 and Xbox One.
HI, I have the Optoma HD33 now, would the UHD60 be enough of an upgrade? I don't use Pure Engine mode on my HD33. Thanks!
Should be no comparison if you are interested or planning on upgrading to a 4K Blu Ray source, the UHD 60 should be noticably better. On HD sources the manufacture specs would indicate a significant difference as well, better blacks, better color, better contrast. Since I have not seen the two side by side I would recommend a side by side if you can arrange it. Most dealers who handle the UHD65 (custom install dealers) should be willing to facilitate a side by side with a UHD60 as well.
Hi, great video.....I read in the comments that you mention these projectors arent meant to go larger, my screen is 140" diag. is that too large? I was looking to purchase the UHD 60 but now you have me thinking....
For the UHD65 we recommend up to a 106" and for the UHD60 up to a 130", however, that is for a better 4K HDR experience. If you are mainly doing HD and occasionally 4K HDR then either would give a respectable image if the screen gain is a least 1 and the room is theater dark. The more ideal projector would be the UHZ65 as it can deliver a very respectable image at 140". The UHD60 is rated the same but they are not even close when set at a usable color quality. (The UHD60 goes very green above 1,600 lumens, so 1,600 lumens vs. 2,800 lumens).
so is it better option than large TV or something??? Whats the image quality and how big it can be??? Bigger than 75" TV does???
Typically home theaters with this level of projector are 90" to 140". For this brightness level in a fully dark room 140" would be about the max if you want respectable HDR. If you want some lighting on (not direct sunlight however) then I would keep the size in the 90-105" range. It is a very different experience than a regular flat panel TV. If set up properly with good seating it is more compelling and more similar to a movie going experience than watching TV.
Great comparison. I Just purchased the 60
great comparison ! thx .hopefully u will do more on vids. projectors.
Thanks for the comparative. Do you have a number for native contrast (once calibrated and auto iris off) for each projector?
We do not currently have the required flat black room, with black-out outfits and other requirements to properly test the actual contrast. We are just calibrating and comparing. We do not feel that numbers alone (you can find some measurements on AVSForum) do justice to how a projector compares and actually looks to the eye. We feel the side by side is the best way to judge a projector especially when there are other factors which combine to create the look and balance of the image from a given projector. For example we would never have guessed that the image from the UHD65 could give the LS10500 and VPL-VW365 a run for their money but it does. Not in every way but overall for under $5K we have not seen anything we would recommend for 4K better than the UHD65 so far.
Overall for better movies experience which would you recommend Optoma UHD65 or Epson 5040UB?
It all depends on the screen type and viewing environment. If bright living room or for competitive serious gaming application then Epson is probably the better choice. If controlled light home theater and 4K blurays then Optoma clear choice.
best review I have seen online. Helps me make my decision of which to buy. thanks.
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Hello Master, how's the illustrious?
Could you provide the data for your calibration in the UHD65?
If possible, of course...
Thank you.
Yes, here they are but keep in mind they will be different for every UHD65 but may or may not help yours: Color mode, Reference, Contrast -1, Brightness 0, Tint -2, Color 1, Red gain -4, Green gain +3, Blue gain +2, We were able to achieve a color temperature of 6550 degrees on our unit.
Thank you Very Mutch ! :)
Hi Ted! thank you so much for this comparison, I have the UHD60 but feel I am not getting it to run its full potential. Can you please share the calibration settings for the UHD60 as well? i.e. CMS, white balance etc...? thanks in advance
Hello Ted, just purchased the uhd60-im new to projectors znf the settings. Enjoyed the detailed video-i was also wondering if you would be willing to share the calibration settings?
Thank you in advance.
Would like to know your personal opinion when comparing UHD60 and UHD65.
Here in EU (Estonia) i got a quote from retailer:
UHD60: 1925€
(~2260 USD)
UHD65: 2840€ (~3330 USD)
Which would be better value? Is the UHD65 worth more than +1000 USD extra?
The tech prices in EU are insane... compared to US.
The UHD65 is clearly better for color, contrast, and the best cinema images. The UHD60 is best if used in a bright room and or if you are a gamer and need the faster response time.
Thank you, your comparisons are very professional and well explained. Could you compare also UHD65 with UHZ65? It would be interesting to see the motion reproduction and color richness differences of these two projectors. Also hear your opinion on differences in experienced rainbow artefacting.
ua-cam.com/video/q4GG9RdxYrA/v-deo.html
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Do you guys know what the best projectors would be for 4K uhd and gaming? If the option for a good 4K gaming projector included the uhd60, would you still recommend it today being 2 years old or do you think there are better options?
If you are a serious gamer and need less than 40 ms then the Sony VPL-VW295ES is one of the few 4K projectors capable of achieving under 40 ms. The UHD60 is about 50 ms but does not have the color, contrast or black levels of the Sony. The Epson 6050UB is also capable of under 40 and a great projector but not quite the detail of the Sony. I would go Sony first, then Epson, and then the UHD60 in terms of gaming speed.
Hey , I’m looking to purchase one of these projectors .. I will be using it in my basement and I watch a lot of movies and sports but I also like to game .. can you game on the uhd 65? Is it really bad for gaming .. I don’t play a lot online just single player games mostly
Either will work OK for casual gaming but for serious online gaming neither would be considered very fast. The 60 would be slightly faster but only in the 45-60 ms range from what most reviews indicate. The 65 is closer to 65 to 85 depending on settings.
Great video - very helpful. What's your recommendation for 160" diagonal screen? And if it's "neither" or "Sony VPL-VW365ES is only option," that's fine - just need to know.
It will depend on the gain of the screen, the ambient light in the room, and the level of color you are willing to live with. We'll know more after CEDIA next week, but if a gain of 1.0 is the screen, a dark room and 160" I would say the VPL-VW365ES is the only real option if you want decent HDR capability as well.
Ted Bollinger thank you.
Thank you for your comparison of Optoma UHD65 and UHD60. Information you provided was very helpful. I am in the process of choosing projector to build 3D projection system using Omega 3D filters. Even though my 3D video today is 1080P I would l like the set to show 4k movies as well.
Interesting, so you would be using two projectors and polarizing filter glasses?
Suhas Patil i am using 3D Infitec System with 2x JVC DLA X7000
I have the UHD60 mounted 17 feet away from my screen 150in screen. I’m seeing some artifacts/pixelation and banding when viewing 4K content. Any thoughts on this? I have not calibrated the projector. Did I purchase the wrong projector?
You might try setting your BluRay player to 4:4:4 output at 4K and see if that improves things.
How would the UD65 fare in an ambient light situation like a living room where the lights directly over the screen could be turned off? I have a 3,000 Lumens Epson HC1040 now and I would say that is acceptable, doubts about 2,200 lumens though. Also the rainbow effect on the Optoma 142x was very noticeable for me, would this color wheel mostly be similar or because of the higher end technology not be as much of a factor? Thank you!
Probably significantly brighter than the HC1040 because of the older technology and saturated color. If it really could put out 3,000 lumens the color would not be its best as typically in its cinema or movie mode it will drop 30-40%. Also if the lamp has over 200 hours it also drops by about 20%. The newer lamps with longer life like this one tend to keep their brightness much longer. We have found for larger screens or more ambient light the "Vivid" color mode is very good and should be close to or better than what you are used to in terms of brightness. RGB/RGB color wheels have much less rainbowing than other color wheels. Very few can even detect it on this one.
Thank you! This comment was very helpful, only just realized that I don't even use my HC1040 in it's bright mode with ambient light on because I noticed the image quality drop when I first was setting it up. I'm also definably over 200 hours at this point. No rainbow effect also; I'm sold on the UHD65 over the 60 now. Time to save up.
good morning !, I am from Argentina and I would like to buy a projector, but I never had the opportunity to try one, I am between two possibilities a 1080p projector of 550 dollars or a projector 4k of 1800 dollars, the projection size would be between 150 inches and 200 inches but it is a lot of price difference between 4k and 1080p and I wanted to know if this difference in resolution is really noticeable observing the screen at a short distance to justify the price because in the UA-cam comparative videos between both resolutions is not appreciable difference, to know if they could send photos or some comparison of image between these two projectors would be very grateful!
The larger the image the more noticeable the difference between full HD and 4K UHD. The UHD60 or the UHZ65 should have enough brightness for the 150 inch but for the 200 inch we would recommend the UHZ65 as it is significantly brighter than the UHD60 despite what the specs say. If the UHZ is out of your budget we would suggest staying at 150" and keep the brightness up for the HDR capability.
Can u do a comparison between the UHD65 and the new LG Hu80ka that's releasing this year plz? I see some people by have it and are doing reviews on it already, figure u may have one since your in the business. After your comparison I'm buying one of them TIA. I'll buy from you aswell!
We'll put it on the list. Next up is the UHD51A and the JVC LX-UH1 which we are expecting any day.
What is the reference mode the standard mode that comes with the projector or did you do any specific calibration?
The reference mode on both projectors out of the box is usable and in the ballpark for decent color but if you want to get the most out of these projectors you should calibrate them in what ever mode you prefer to watch in. We have found that the cinema mode is out of the box closest to D65 especially if you turn the "Brillant Color" setting in the Color Settings (third menu in) down to 7 or eight if you just want to quickly get close.
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. I understand that people want to see,I wanted to see it. But it should be mentioned that the UHD60 is made for a living room with more ambient light, and maybe a gray screen. The UHD65 i made for a dedicated HT setup with controllable lighting. If you did the same test with more ambient light and a grey screen I'm pretty sure the UHD60 would come out on top.
Even though the UHD60 is rated much higher (3,000 vs 2,200 lumens) and is indeed capable of brighter images with slightly compromised color, we were very surprised to find if you put the UHD60 in reference mode to get its best color accuracy it is not brighter than the UHD65 and is still not as accurate as color (RGB/RGB vs RGBCY wheel). If cost or gaming is main need then UHD60 is best fit, otherwise UHD65 is usually best.
@@tedbollinger3306 This is extremely helpful to me as a novice. I am trying to decide between the 60 and 65. Will be used in a living room..( shown on plain white painted drywall......around 120-140 inches)..so some ambient light during the day but could be dark at night with maybe a light on. I am wondering if the brightness diff on the 60 is enough to make a difference in a living room in this situation ( would it make the picture that much more watchable) and if so will the color accuracy loss really be that noticeable to a novice? Can you have the best of both worlds on the 60?......calibrate down to best color ( loss brightness) and have same image as 65.......but when you need more brightness change the settings and give up the color only when you have to?...or maybe the answer is the JVC or Epson 5040
@@markmcdonel3287 It all depends on which color mode you are in. The UHD60 can be brighter but at a cost of decent color. We were surprized to learn when we tested them both that when you try and get the best color out of the 60 they were actually very close but the UHD65 had considerably better contrast and even better color. If they are both in their brightest modes called "Bright" then the 60 is brighter but both images are very green and we consider them really unusable for most viewing applications.
@@tedbollinger3306 Thanks so much for the follow up
11:42 UHD65 has lower black level, but the letterboxes are the equally dark on both projectors. It means UHD60 is not calibrated properly for black levels.
Not necessarily, the projectors use the same .66 DLP chip and the contrast ratio in a scene with brightness may appear very similar until the scene goes very dark at which point the UHD65 should be able to show its better black levels.
@@tedbollinger3306 Look again at 11:42, it's a totally black screen with white letters. The black bars are equally black on UHD60 and 65. But the picture between black bars is brighter on UHD60. It should be as dark as the black bars.
Just bought a UHD 60 and I seem to get a lot of banding with Amazon and Netflix UHD content as well as when gaming. Will a Proper calibration totally eliminate banding on the UHD60?
Not usually, the banding is probably caused by lack of high bit rate and or color space. If you are running less than 10 bit on the source side you will get banding on most projectors on some scenes. If you have tried using "reference mode" (almost zero banding on a 10 bit UHD disk if the player output is set up properly) and you see no banding then the banding you are seeing is definitely the compression and lack of bit depth and color depth on the source side. The test we use is the UHD 4K Guadians of the Galaxy II on the scene they are fling inside the "Celestial" egg. it is all smooth gradients and unless you set your player to 12 bit 4:4:4 and projector to " reference" you will usually see banding.
Hello, could you please share your image settings that were used for the UHD60?
Unfortunately, since each projector is slightly different we do not share calibration settings. We recommend the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition bluray to do basic set up and color settings.
if you turn off pure motion on the UHD65, will it work just as the UHD60 in referencing to gaming? Id prefer the deluxe model but don't want to suffer longer input lag while I game.
The UHD65 has a longer (in the 65-80ms) range even if the pure motion engine is turn off. If it is "on" the latency can reach as high as 120 ms. If you are a competitive online ganer the UHD60 may be the better choice.
How can I take a video the Uhd65 with my Samsung s8+ phone and not get the color lines In the video? Thanks.
If it has manual exposure or exposure lock you might try that. You would need to be very close and focus on the fine grid pattern so if the phone has a close up mode I would try that at under 10" or closer.
Ted Bollinger I'll try that and be closer to the screen. ☺
Great video of comparisons. Im planning to buy the uhd65 but i think in my country is too high a price. They sell here for about $4500 so if you could do a comparison between the uhd65 and the uhd 50 coz they both have the same color wheel and nice review. Thanks a lot
We hope to do these two sometime in the future but from what I have seen so far the larger chip in the UHD65 does give a higher level of contrast and does deliver better black levels. Color should be very close and the 4K detail will also be very close which really surprised us.
Ted Bollinger thank u for the reply Ted. Also im leaning toward vivitek hk2288 compared to the UHD65 and also UHD50. And maybe also the Viewsonic PX727
The UHD60 is a good alternative with just a little trade off in blacks and contrast. Have not seen the others so cannot comment on those yet.
Please review UHD51ALV. It's available at BestBuy right now. Compare it with UHD60 and others.
The UHD51ALV is a brighter but lesser quality image than the UHD60 or UHD51A. There is a great new review just released today at projectorcentral.com you may want to check out for more details and the differences.
@@tedbollinger3306 I read it but it says the image quality is pretty good despite brighter. The color is also accurate.
Can you do a comparison between the UHD65 and Acer V7850?
Curently we are waiting untill after CEDIA before any more comparisons. This will allow us to keep the field to the most relevant models including any new replacements.
Any other projectors coming out with the TI 4k chip? Have the UHD65 on order for a month now, willing to cancel and wait for comparisons as it seems won't get it for another month.
From what I can tell the brightness on the Acer will be slightly off, but in a much smaller and lighter weight form factor.
WE have not seen the Acer yet but you should have no problem in getting the UHD65 now as supply has pretty much caught up. I f you need help email me at Info@TVspec.com thanks.
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Laser vs. Laser comparison Sony VW760ES vs. Optima UHZ65? I have to decide very soon between Sony or Optoma as my Christmas gift for my self
The 760ES appears to be the same as the US 885ES. If that is the case then the Sony should have better blacks, 3D and faster response time for gamers, but the Optoma may have a little more calibrated brightness at less than 1/5 the price and almost as detailed.
Ted Bollinger yes 885ES is the US version of our 760ES here in Germany (Europe too) on the other side the Sony is here much cheaper than at the US market only 15.000€ (18.000$) but the US price is 25.000$! This price case is very unusual for example: Oppo UHD 203 player in Europe 850€ US 550$ and Optoma UHZ65 with its 2800-3000 Lumen should be much more brighter than 2000 Lumen Sony
Thank you, yes, that is very interesting, most electronic products are more expensive in Europe, good luck on your decision.
Ted Bollinger because of 760ES. EU price my plan for the next 2 years Optoma LASER or Sony LASER till the big XL Sony LASER at the same quality level as. JVC Z1 is 100% coming 2019 but at minimum 25.000€, now i have to sell my VW1000 (no HDR) for Optoma or VW760 for the next 2 years.
I have the UHD60 and when I check to change and calibrate my settings, I don’t get the options under sharpness, I believe on your menu it’s Color and Tint, is there a reason for that ??
Yes, the UHD60 does not have the same processing engine as the UHD65 so the menus are in some settings very different.
Nice comparison. UDH65 looks better in every aspect except one. I see better details on UDH60 and not on UDH65? I use 1440p IPS screen with 1440p resolution of the video.
Interesting, since they use the exact same .66 DLP chip, when we do actual resolution measurements they are exactly the same. It could be the actual settings in terms of sharpness and "ultra detail" as I thought I had checked them but they could have been a few ticks off. The actual difference is just the contrast, color, and max brightness, resolution should be identical.
i second that, on the left i have more detail on the night scene with the lantern..
How do you get rid of the light shadow border on the top and bottom of the screen. They show up outside of the test pattern..
If you are referring to the DLP outer frame which is just outside of active video there are a couple of ways to deal with that. First on a 16:9 image on a 16:9 screen all the border should fall outside of the screen into the black edge and be undetectable. If watching 2:35:1 images you can either digitally zoom in using the remote so it fills the 16:9 or use a 2:35:1 screen with black boarders. Other than that there is not much you can do, however, if your brightness settings are set properly you should have a difficult time seeing them even in a dark room.
what are the recommended settings for the UHD60
It will vary somewhat from each individual projector but we would suggest using the Spears & Munsil or Disney Wow Blu Rays and do at least a basic- do it yourself calibration. The black level or brightness control is especially critical on these models we have found as it seems to trigger the dynamic black modes.
Ted Bollinger I've had some issues with dynamic black causing a flicker. My newest issue is the entire screen turning pink whenever I turn on HDR content. I tried multiple certified cabled and all the hdmi eq settings. Stumped at the moment
We have not seen either of those. Probably should contact Optoma for assistance.
Ted Bollinger I did, waiting for a reply
Good, if they have seen or have updated firmware that should hopefully improve as we have not seen.
Extremely well done video, thanks for the effort.
In your opinion, what would the best projector be for watching animation with bright, saturated colors? I've been leaning towards Optoma because they seem to be very crisp, but I really like the motorized lens on the Epson projectors. Any advice?
It would depend on the level of brightness you need. If you are doing 120 or 150" then I would recommend the Optoma, if you are doing less than 120" then the Epson would be ideal as it has the "cinema" filter in digital cinema mode which is close to P3 color, however it cuts the brightness down considerably. The Optoma does not use a cinema filter so is reasonably bright in cinema or vivid mode.
@@tedbollinger3306 Are there any other projectors that are comparable, such as a Benq, Viewsonic etc? My screen is 120". Originally I used an old CRT projector (Barco Graphics 800) but the newer digital projectors look so nice. I'll probably miss the black level and color of the CRT either way though. So far I'm leaning to wards the UHD65 or UHZ65. The Epson 5040 is known for power supply issues and lacks the newer HDMI 18Gbps of other projectors. But it's a tough decision no matter what.
Personally I went with the UHZ65 and could not be more pleased. Once you've had laser you cannot go back to lamp. 0 maintenance and no 30% light loss after the first few hundred hours. Stable, rich color and very good contrast giving even a Sony a run for its money. As long as you are not one of the 1% who is sensitive to rainbows and are OK with a manual lens (it can still do same height 2:35 and 16:9) you will love the performance of the UHZ65 as I used to be a Sony only guy until this Z65 came out. (I thought you were talking about the UHD65 before which is lamp based)
@@tedbollinger3306 Ya, I was talking about the UHD at first. Rainbows might bug me, but I was under the impression that the UHD and UHZ65 were a bit better than others such as UHD60 in that respect, due to the different color wheel?
Yes, they are, especially the UHD65 as it is a true RGB,RGB color wheel, most cannot see rainbows on the D65.
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are you going to compare OPTOMA UHZ65 (laser) vs. UHD65 (lamp) too?
Yes, we hope to have ready by Mid November.
Ted Bollinger Thanks for response to my question
Yes, that will be our next comparison coming up in November. The laser version is brighter and slightly better color, both are amazing for their price points.
So what calibration settings did you use?
Sorry, we did not keep them as we have found that each projector, reguardless of manufacture, varies from projector to projector. We also found that it is affected by where you have the "brillant color" set on this projector. Because we have now calibrated several of the Optoma 4K models generally we have found the cinema mode to be closest out of the box to D65 and if you move the "brillant color to about 7 or 8 you should be in the ball park. In Reference mode you will need to bring down the red gain typically like -4 and blue gain -8 or -9. Red bias typically -2 or -3 and blue bias -2 as well. That should bring you fairly close and without instruments about the best you could do. Be sure and use a test disc like Spears & Munsil to get your color. contrast, brightness and hues set as well.
Now a comparison between the UHD60 and UHD51 would be amazing,
since the 51 has Frame Interpolation and a better Colour Wheel for less Money and same Input lag….
We did do an internal comparison and we have now sold off our UHD60 as the color and frame interpolation are defintely better than the UHD60. What many people do not understand is that the rating of 3,000 lumens is not usable for most applications as it is way too green. The UHD60 when it is set to do at least usable color is not significantly brighter than the UHD51A.
Very interesting to test new UHD50 vs UHD65, both are rgbrgb, but with the 0.66 vs 0.47 DLP ...
Yes, exactly, we just met with Optoma at the CES preview of the UHD50 and they are working on getting us a sample to test. The color looked very good in their demo but they made it clear that due to the different nature of the chip it is not the same quality as the UHD60 as the 50 and 51 are 4 way actuators not the two used in the 60 series. The size of the pixels will not be as small or quite as precise. It will be interesting to compare. Also we know the contrast on the 50 series will also be less but in that price range a 4K projector with lens shift is rare.
In the market for a projector, should I get the UHD60 or UHD50. Which one have a better picture.
looking to upgrade my hd26 optomoa. I'm sold on the brand an i have this same question... where are the comparisions between those 2?
I currently have the Epson 5030ub and I'm looking to upgrade to 4k. Which would you recommend?....the Epson 5040ub or the UHD65? Primarily used for movies, gaming, & watching live sports with a little bit of normal tv watching mixed in.
Totally depends on your environment and how serious a gamer you are. The Optoma is better on 4K HDR material and with proper settings can equal or exceed the 5040ub on 1080p material. If serious gamer or need lights on use then the Epson is the better choice.
Ted Bollinger Ok. Thanks for the info. It will be in dedicated theater but I like to have some light when watching sports or gaming. I'm not a hardcore gamer but I am sensitive to lag so that will matter. I've been doing some research and read about compatibility issues with the Epson. Something about the chipset is capped at 10 gigabit so it won't display 18 gigabit 4k content?
Can you compare UHD65 with UHZ65?
It should be coming soon!
comparison between uhd60 and uhd550x please
UHD550X appears to be the European version of the UHD60 but we do not have those in the US to confirm.
do you know what the input lag is on the uhd60
It has been tested in the 35 me range, which is acceptable for most gamers.
Please test uhd 65 DCI p3 coverage
Raveendra Ravi plus one for 10 bit color testing.
KLYSIZZLE and if it is possible benq x12000 DCI p3 vs uhd 65, dlp vs dlp fair comparison, I know that benq had LED light source but want to know which one gives best value for money.
We'll see what CEDIA brings in a few weeks and go from there. The black levels on the X1200 are not getting great reviews but we would like to compare for ourselves.
Will do in future test when we also have the UHZ65 to compare as we are also curious how much difference there will be in the laser version.
I'm excited to see the UHZ65 compared!
Hello, Can anyone post their calibration settings for the UHD65
Yes, that has been done, but keep in mind unless you have at least a test disc like the Spears & Munsil and do a basic calibration first you may be wasting your time as even after a full calibration one should go back and re adjust the basic settings with filters and test signals.. Unless your particular projector looks way out on whites the slight changes in color temperature on this projector will vary from each projector to another. The easiest way to check your performance is to put it in the reference or cinema color mode, do a basic calibration using the filters that come with the discs as this will get the color level, tint, contrast and brightness levels close to ideal then you can go into the advanced color menu (fourth menu in from main menu) and try adjusting the "brilliant color" slightly down from 10 if you are in "cinema" mode or slight up from 1 if you are in the reference mode as this will slightly affect the color temperature but you may not need to. If you still want to change your white point you could go into the color gain settings and in most UHD65 the red should be decreased by 2 or 3 units and the blue by 5 or 6 down. I would only attempt this if you are not happy with the whites in your images as the factory settings in "cinema" are usually very close to 6500 degrees. The "reference" mode could use a little of the above if you use that mode. I would highly reccomend using the Spears & Munsil disc first and then if you still feel it is off a little you could try the above.
Great job anyone now how do you calibrate a projector I can't find anyone in Michigan that will calibrate a projector just tv's.
Unfortunately, we’re unaware of calibration services in Michigan, however, when the UHD65 is purchased through us, we provide a free calibration disc, that will walk you through the calibration. We also provide our recommend settings for the best image possible and free 3-day shipping (when we have them in-stock).
@@Tvspecialists Thank you for responding , we're can I find the recommended settings and how do I go about getting the calibration disc?
Did you purchase from us? We would send it to you with your order.
@@Tvspecialists no I didnt purchase from you guys I got from bestbuy I wish I did , because there is a firmware update for the optama UDH 60 projector and optoma wants me to ship them the projector to California for the update for 80 bucks, do you sale the calibration disc and do you do the firmware update.
Unfortunately only Optoma does the firmware updates currently. The Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition is available on Amazon.
Hello! Thank you for your video. Help me, please, I want to buy uhd60. I do not understand - he can show the picture well 176 "16: 9" How do you think? The difference in price between uhd60 and uhd65 is $ 1400 on amazon.com.Is it worth uhd65 extra 1400 $? I live in Russia, and only Amazon. com has a good price and shipping to Russia.What do you say about Acer h7850 or v7850? They are worse or better than uhd60? Thanks!
These projectors are not designed to go that large, you will need a different projector to do a 176" image. 105" Good, 120 " do-able in the Vivid mode max size recommended.
But, which better, uhd65 or acer h7850? And which will be good for 176"?
Neither, they do not have enough brightness for decent HDR at 4K for that size of an image. Possibly the UHZ65 (laser) would have enough brightness, It will be released later this month.
Ted Bollinger I meant what other projector will advise to watch the video in the room is not completely darkened, an ordinary living room measuring 200 "by 315" (5 meters by 8 meters). Room with light walls. I want a 176 "screen, and secondly I'm wondering which projector is best for 120" uhd65 or h7850, and what. Thank you.
As of today, I would recommend an Epson Pro projector with 4K enhancement with at least 5,000 lumens. That would include the G7400 lamp based ($3,800), or the L1100 laser based projectors. We have not tested the h7850 but it does not appear to have enough brightness as well.
Thank you very much for the video, here is my comment (in Spanish, sorry):
www.mundodvd.com/optoma-uhd-60-a-139041/12/#post4059296
Muchas gracias por el video. He puesto youtube a 4K, lo he visionado en mi TV Samsung 4K en Game Mode, y es muy interesante.
Hace unos día he escrito una comparativa entre en Optoma UHD60 y el Optoma HD50 (clon del HD161X), para el que la quiera leer:
www.forodvd.com/tema/172193-comparativa-de-optoma-uhd60-vs-optoma-hd50-161x/
Ya sé por experiencia que un video no es ni de lejos lo mismo que verlo
en vivo, pero al estar grabado con la misma cámara y en dos pantallas
divididas, al menos podemos comparar un poco las diferencias entre ambos
proyectores. Aunque seguramente en vivo y en directo esas diferencias
son mucho más destacables o vemos otras.
Comento varias cosas que he visto:
Minuto 0:49
En el video los negros del UHD60 son bastante mejores que en el UHD65. Se ve en las barras y se ve en el fondo del menú.
Esto no me cuadra. Creo que se han olvidado de poner las dos lámparas a
igual potencia. Apostaría que el UHD60 está en Eco y el UHD65 está en
Alto (sólo tiene dos modos, sin tocar el DynamicBlack). Si no es eso, es
que el parámetro Gamma tampoco está igual en los dos proyectores. Por
cierto, si yo hiciera comparaciónes nunca las haría en Vivid, sino en
Cinema, Film, Reference o User.
Minuto 1:03
Al poner el modo de imagen en Bright se ve que es o el UHD65 tiene la
lámpara en Normal o la Gamma está fatal. Mirar las barras blancas del
UHD65 a la izquierda, que las tres primeras no se diferencias unas de
otras. Además el parámetro de contraste está a 3 y el otro a 1.
Minuto 1:32
¡En modo Vivid en el UHD60 Color está a 15!
Observaciones: Ya sé que en la primera parte del video no están
calibrados y que supongo que han dejado los valores de fábrica. Pero los
valores de brillo, contraste, color, gama, son menús básicos que todo
el mundo ajusta a ojo en cuanto le llega el proyector. Nadie, ni los más
novatos, los dejan como vienen de fábrica. Supongo que ellos sólo han
querido mostrar lo mal configurados que vienen de fábrica. Si es así se
entiende, pero creo que esa parte sobra porque es una mera curiosidad.
Entiendo que normalmente cuando decimos que hemos calibrado es porque
hemos hecho un ajuste mucho más profundo, modificando los valores RGB de
forma individual para tener una colorimetría más real. Pero vaya, es
una opinión mía.
El resultado durante los primeros 2:14 minutos "Uncalibrated" es que el
UHD60 se ve mejor, con colores más intensos, mejor contraste y muchos
mejores negros.
Minuto 2:15
A partir del minuto 2:15 empieza el "Calibrated" en modo Reference.
Vamos a ver... pues fatal, otra vez las tres primeras barras blancas de
la izquierda no se distinguen entre sí y los negros siguen siendo mucho
peores.
Minuto 2:59
La superficie superior de la pieza de madera verde brilla más en el
UHD65 que en el UHD60. Lo dicho, parece que tienen la lámpara del UHD65
en alto y la del UHD60 en Eco.
Minuto 3:02
En la pieza de madera con forma de cochecito, en el UHD65 casi no se ve
el agujero de en medio, por la falta de contraste y de mejores negros.
Además de la lámpara en alto, no creo que el UHD65 esté bien calibrado.
Además hay otra cosa sorprendente y es que el UHD65 muestra signos
claros de ghosting en el movimiento de los dedos y mano del niño. Esto
en un DLP es casi imposible que suceda (por no decir imposible), así que
ahí hay algo que no está bien. El lag no produce ese efecto. El HD65 si
tiene el FI activado las imágenes serían más nítidas, y darían menos
ghosting. El UHD60 no tiene FI por lo que tampoco puede eliminar un
posible efecto de sincronismo entre el móvil y la imagen. Así que no
tengo ni idea de qué puede causar ese ghosting tan acusado.
Minuto 3:25
En cambio aquí se ve que el UHD65 tiene mejores negros y mejor contraste
que el UHD60. Fijáos en las sombras del niño, en el suelo de parket y
en la manta por la esquina que está doblada.
Observaciones: Parece que el UHD65 tiene un procesador integrado en la
placa base que trabaja a algo más de velocidad, porque la detección de
fuente, cambios de modo, menú, etc son un poco más rápidos que en el
UHD60. Siempre es de agradecer, pero eso en principio no debería afectar
en nada a la reproducción de las películas. Tambien parece que el lag
de ambos proyectores es idéntico. Faltaría probar el modo juego, con
todo desactivado.
Minuto 4:40
El contraste del UHD65 está tan mal que no se distingue la silueta de
los árboles con el gondo negro del cielo. Eso no es un fallo del
proyector, sino un fallo de ajuste de gamma, entre otras cosas.
Minuto 5:50
La configuración de cada proyector es muy diferente, pero ya la que a mi
más me llama la atención es la de Sharpness (Nitidez), que en el UHD65
está en 1 y en el UHD60 está en 8 (como máximo llega a 15). Sólo hay que
mirar el relieve de las columnas para ver la diferencia. A ver, este es
un parámetro que no altera el color, ni los negros, ni del contraste,
más allá de las sombras que profundiza. ¿Porqué lo ponen diferente? No
lo entiendo...
Minuto 7:12
Para confundirnos más, nos empiezan a poner imágenes con zoom que no
podemos comparar porque la imagen de un lado es diferente a la del otro.
Creo que aquí iban a poner el modo espejo y se han liado. El colmo es
el minuto 7:34 que casi ni el trozo del puente es el mismo.
Minuto 7:39
Hombre, por fin algo interesante, el parámetro PureContrast activado,
que pertenece al procesador de imagen PureEngine que tiene el UHD65
(junto al PureColor y PureMotion = FI) y del que el UHD60 carece. Va
señalando con el dedo y dice que se ve más definido y contrastado, pero
que en el video no lo podemos apreciar.
Aquí comento algo que creo que es importante. Esos detalles se notan
cuando estás muy cerca de la pantalla, como está el presentador, pero a
medida que te alejas la diferencia es cada vez menor. Mi duda es si el
nuevo parámetro PureContrast del UHD65 es suficientemente bueno para
notarlo a 4 metros. Por otro lado, la gran carencia del UHD65 es la
falta del parámetro UltraDetail que sí que lleva el HD50/161X y que le
da una nitidez/definición brutal a la imagen, aunque sólo sea apto para
novatos como yo.
Para el que quiera más detalles, en el punto 5 de la comparativa explico mejor todo esto:
www.forodvd.com/tema/172193-c...oma-hd50-161x/
Minuto 9:50
Aquí un buen ejemplo de FI en el UHD65 y la falta de FI en el UHD60.
Para verlo bien he tenido que poner mi TV 4K en "Modo Juego", para
reducir el lag al mínimo (la mía tiene sobre 23ms y desactivar todas las
opciones (FI, realce de nitidez, etc). Los saltos que pegan el texto de
la parte superior y sobretodo las imagenes de la parte inferior son
infernales en el UHD60 y suaves y nítidas en el UHD65.
Minuto 10:27
¡Cazado!, lo que yo decía, tiene la lámpara del UHD65 en alto (Bright), y
además es probable que tenga muchas menos horas que la lámpara del
UHD60, cosa que también afecta. Lo que no sabemos es si la lámpara del
UHD60 la tiene en Eco o Alto (Bright), pero por lo visto, yo creo que la
tiene en Eco en la mayoría del video, menos al final del video, que
ambas están en Alto (Bright).
Minuto 11:31
Y después de todo lo anterior, milagrosamente en las conclusiones el
UHD65 se ve bastante mejor, con mejores negros (ver minuto 11:42), mejor
contraste, mejores colores. Vaya, que al final ha retocado los
parámetros para que mejore el UHD60 y ahora parece que sí está como
debería estar.
Minuto 12:12
Si sois rápidos parando el video, podréis ver el pequeño incremento de
lag que tiene el UHD65 con respecto al UHD60 en modo "Reference". Probad
de parar la imagen justo cuando está desapareciendo la chica negra con
el niño y apareciendo Jodie Foster.
Seguramente en modo "Game" con todo desactivado el UHD60 tiene bastante
menos lag que el UHD65. Segundo Optoma y otros foreros 38ms vs 70ms
aproximadamente.
Nota final: Al del video le ha faltado activar el parámetro DynamicBlack
para ver cómo se comportaqban ambos proyectores. Yo sé por experiencia
que este parámetro es un lío para poder hacer comparativas, porque
regula a medida que va alalizando fotogramas, tiene un comportamiento
errático sobretodo si paramos las imágenes y hacemos saltos entre ellas.
Pero si dejas una película durante unos minutos en ambos proyectores se
estabiliza su comportamiento y se puede utilizar para comparar bastante
bien. Pero con cuidado y sentido común, porque en algunos casos me ha
dado imágenes totalmente desvirtuadas con negros grisáceos, blanquecinos
y horrorosos en una escena oscura. Simplemente hay que tener paciencia
hasta que se estabilice su funcionamiento y darse cuenta cuando está
funcionando mal y bien.
Tampoco me ha gustado que corte las imágenes por los laterales, ni que
la prueba la haya hecho en una sala blanca en vez de una batcueva (ahí
el UHD60 saldría algo mejor parado), ni la manía de decir "Optima" en
vez de "Optoma", que en muchos foros hasta lo escriben mal, igual que
nosotros "imput lag" cuando realmente es "input lag". Por mucho que nos
hayan enseñado que "m" va antes que "p", eso es es castellano y no en
inglés. Como sugerencia, una buena alternativa es decir "latencia".
Saludos.
We're glad you found it helpful!
Thank you for your comments. Just wanted to add that both projectors were in their brightest lamp more for all comparisons.
Couldn't a gamer just turn off the Pure Motion when they plan to game on the 65 and not have anymore latency than the 60?
Unfortunately not as some of the contrast and image processing is always on when feeding a signal to the UHD65. The latency doe not change.
Is the latency make it unplayable?
Unfortunately no, turning off the Pure Motion does improve the response but even when off still not as fast as the UHD60.
Unfortunately no, turning off the Pure Motion does improve the response but even when off still not as fast as the UHD60.
Hi TVS pro nice job
Can you test the uhd65 colors peace coverage like DCI p3
Yes, but we will probably wait for when we have a sample of the UHZ65 as well so we can compare what Optoma is saying is a wider color space on the new laser or Z version. Generally the laser versions do have even better color performance.
The color space on the UHD65 is close to REC709 and it is mapped to REC2020 color space when receiving 4K UHD sources. It is not as wide as P3 and we are anxious to compare the UHZ65 laser color space to the HUD65 when it becomes available. Thank you for your interest.
afaik thouse projectors not real 4k, it's something like lens shifting or something related to DLP
You are thinking of JVC and Epson which use 1080p imagers and electronically shift to get 4 million pixels. This new DLP technology does deliver 8.3 million pixels to the screen and compares or exceeds many native 3 chip 4K systems. There are many other reviews out now and it has surprised even the most experienced users. The Optoma 4K projectors are very detailed and sharp. Also see the "Widescreen Review" test of the UHD65 that just came out, you will be surprised. Also see projectorcentral.com for their review, it is not just our opinion, it is now established fact.
They call it pixel shifting. It is true 4K, but this time the digital chip must produce 4 times a pixel for one image on screen. So there actually are going 4k pixels through the lens. That is my understanding of it. "true 4k" however, uses 4 chips so that each chip handles one pixel of 1920x1080. 4 chips a 1920x1080 makes "true 4K".
That is also the reason why "true 4K" cost so much more.
Can I use the the 65 projector if my 110 inch screen is 11 foot 3 inches from lens to screen ? How's the zoom spec ?
Not sure if I should get 60 or 65 model. Save $500
The lens is a 1.39 to 2.39 so you could do a 110" from 11'1" to 17' 9". If you like accurate color, smooth motion, and less rainbow artifacts the UHD65 is better. If you are a serious gamer and are not sensitive to rainbow effects the UHD60 may be the best.
Ted Bollinger
Was also looking at the Epson 4050UB also. Which one is better ?
Sorry, not a US model, we did compare against Epson best, the LS10500 but the UHD65 is brighter, and more detailed, but does not have 3D or motorized lens.
Ted Bollinger
Looks like I’m gonna go with Optoma UHD65
I think you will love it, especially if you ever update to a 4K HDR Blu Ray player. We do have them in stock and can provide free shipping in the US if that helps.
What is better for watching sports? 60 or 65? Say NFL football?
The UHD65 due to the "pure" motion engine which allows for frame interpolation which provides smother motion in fast moving objects.
I had bought a UHD60. I sent it back for a refund about 4 days later. I mostly game on pc and watch TV. I sent it back because the black levels were just too terrible. Watching vikings, which is mostly dusk grey settings, looked awful. The greys and blacks washed together.
11:42 in the video...... Enough said. Even in a room with little lighting control at night time that grey output by the uhd60 is very noticeable even on a high contrast grey screen.
The UHD60 does not have quite as good as blacks as the UHD65, however it can do respectable blacks and good contrast. The key is the combination of settings that are available in the menus. We include a four page document on all the 60;s and 65's we sell alnong with the Spears and Munsel set up disc. We are also working on some set up videos that should be out later this year. sorry to hear of your challenges.
Lol, how is the uhd65 brighter with only 2200 lumens. The uhd60 has 3000 lumens. Lol fixed your camera.
the UHD60 is rated higher at 3,000 lumens, but that is also an uncalibrated rating (color is not accurate, not the best overall picture) once you dial it in a bit, that brings the brightness down quite a bit, even still the brightness remains a little brighter than the UHD635 (2,200 lumens), but does so at color acuracy. They are different projectors with different color wheels, the UHD has a wider color gamut, etc.
None of them are native 4K ffs!!!!
Actually is is quite different that the electronic e shift that JVC and the 4K enhancement that Epson uses. both those techniques are based on the very large pixels of 1080p panels. The TI DLP projectors like the Optoma use a much higher resolution chip and an "optical actuator" so they have been clasified as "true 4K UHD" resolution both by the CTA and by multiple reviewers as well as we have done side by side with 4096 4K projectors, the fine detail is there and in many cases even looks more detailed than some "true 4K" projectors. It does deliver 8.3 million pixels to the screen. Do a side by side and make your own decision as the proof is in the images.