Tuning Based on Lug Count | Season Six, Episode 22
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2023
- Tuning can start to seem a bit more confusing when you start working with a drum that has a different number of lugs then you’re used to. Whether it’s a 5, 6, 8, 10, or even a 23-lug drum, we’ll help you make sense of the process while also highlighting some of the often misunderstood benefits of different ends of the spectrum.
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Awesome topic. I’ve never heard the lug count to pitch before. That’s awesome
Spot on. I have a Gretsch Renown 6-piece kit, and about 6 months ago, I swapped the standard 10-lug Renown snare for a 6-lug Brooklyn snare, and had to almost totally relearn how to tune a snare, between number of turns for a particular pitch, how to control resonance between the batter and snare heads, how many snare wires to use with each drum, better/worse head material for a given use, difference in material between the two shells, and on and on. The feel/reactivity of the lugs was totally different, as you pointed out, mainly in how many turns it took to get to a particular pitch between the two snare drums. The kit also has the "spooky" 5-lug 10" and 12" rack toms, which took some getting used to, but i absolutely love them now! I find them easier to tune and less temperamental than the 14" and 16" floor toms.
Awesome video. It's helping me understand about how to tune certain number of lug drums.
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Interesting topic, I enjoy all the different sounds and vibes that come with 6/8/10 lugs. A seemingly counterintuitive discovery I’ve made is to go for a 6 lug, 12” snare for low, beefy sounds and a 10 lug, deep 14” snare for high, crisp sounds. The 12 seems to stay cleaner, more manageable at low tunings, without crazy overtones (Mapex Fastback is particularly good). A deep 14 cranked up high will still have enough body to keep it from sounding thin or one dimensional while still having that crack (Pork Pie patina brass 14x8 is exceptional at high tunings).
I have a 14x8 DW performance maple snare and I like it cranked pretty high. Still has some character to it as you said.
Which would make a half deep 13" the perfect middle ground (Benny Greb Snare comes to mind, that thing can do everything perfectly)
This video is another reminder as to why Sounds Like A Drum is one of the best drum educational videos on UA-cam, if not THE best! Thank you Cody and Ben!
Thanks for the kind words!
Let’s appreciate using Evans instead of 💩Remo heads. Perfect work guys
After many years I keep coming back to Japanese mathrock band Toe, for their incredible drum sounds! They truly astound me.
TBH Toe might be my "holy grail" drum-sound in rock music. The mix in general is illicit, heh. Addicting!
I love your channel, thanks for doing it!
Is Toe the best rock drum sounds ever? I think so!
This channel really explains a while ago what to expect from lug counts and I always appreciated it
I've learned so much about tone and drums in general from this channel. Thank you for being an excellent resource!
I have noticed that on my 10 lug snare drum the tuning rods seem very loose, compared to my 8 lug drums. At first I was concerned that being looser, that they would more easily move during playing, and would go out of tune faster, but because of that, I bought some tension rods with nylon inserts that are made to keep the rods from moving, and I haven't had to tune that drum unless I wanted a different pitch. However I put a set of those rods and keepers on my Ludwig vintage 8 lug snare drum, and I have achieved the exact same tuning capabilities. In short, it doesn't seem to matter if the drum has 8 or 10 lugs, they both maintain the pitch that I tune them to.
I initially use turn count, and then I use my ears, but finally I put my Tune-Bot on the rim and check out the pitch to see how closely I have it from lug to lug, and I usually don't have much to change, but it's still nice to double check to make sure I have it right where I want it.
I love my spooky, 5-lug Gretsch rack tom. 🙂👻
One time I experimented with only using every other lug to be able to use tighter tension rods while keeping a lower pitch. It didn't work great on my drum, but my friend with Die-cast hoops did it and it worked *really* well.
Never thought much about this but it makes sense now you've pointed it out. Thanks.
Just seeing the thumbnail reminded me I have'nt played my 6 lug Pioneer in a while!! What a superb fat drum it is!! You would'nt think it is with it's fragile 3 ply shell and puny 6 lugs but that thing is a low end beast!! It tends to feed off fresh Emperor coated heads which is just fine, because I find my Vistalite snare likes played in heads more... I just cycle the lightly played heads from the Pioneer over to the Vistalite and everyone's happy!!
Edit: Vistalite snare is ten lug, very different beast even compared to my ten lug Supra.
Very cool. Thx for sharing! 🥁
I have a 6 lug "drum mate" early 70's lauan mij snare and it is incredible, you never know
A simple analogy is to think of 10 lbs /kg of tension on a head to get a specific pitch. If you had to hang weights on the rim having more points of contact would mean less weight at each point and thusly less tension.
Well said! TY!
Thinking about how Akira Jimbo's signature snare is a 6 lug, and if youve ever listened to any of his recordings where he uses that snare, youd know that he cranked it up. Mustve taken unbelievable amounts of tension on those crappy little single point Yamaha lugs. Terrible design oversight
Question on overtone management and lugs-vs-rim stiffness. Five points, with greater pressure, to reach a specific pitch indicates larger variances between head tension comparing lug-point to mid-span rim locations. That was not audibly noticeable when comparing a 5-lug tom to an 8 lug tom tuned to the same pitch (heads, edge and shell composition being equal)?
I have a Japanese Yamaha KSD245 10 lug and it takes a lot more work to get all the lugs uniform with my drum dial compared to my four other eight Lug snares
Why does it take more work?
Six and the rest of them are also very diff with diff hoops
I love that the subject is the relationship between lug count and tuning, but the tone is like I'm getting sat down by dad to talk about importance of safe sex. THIS is why I keep coming back to these videos. :D
Ha! It’s probably because we prefer to take a pragmatic approach rather than the hype without a lot of context that tends to be common on UA-cam. Thanks for watching!
@@SoundsLikeADrum I hope more channels followed suit. Integrity > hype all day.
0:31 lol did the drum recording cut out here? the first and only hiccup on this channel.
I have an old MIJ wood snare with 6 lugs. When I try to tune it tight, it just sounds choked and awful. So I can only get low sounds out of it. Any idea what's going on here? I don't mind keeping it tuned low, it's actually pretty useful. Just curious why that is.
I prefer to .......lug....around a lighter drum... so 8 lugs works for me. 🙂
For me 8 lugs are perfekt for Snare and Bass drum.....twice across.
23? LOL
Great video. One thing: "fewer" lugs is correct. Also, it sounds better. Easy rule: "fewer" is used for things that are countable. ie "fewer lugs" vs "less" which is used for uncountable things ie "less tension". Sorry. Ex-English major. The issue just pops up several times here. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! I’m a similar stickler for language, especially further vs. farther. That said, sometimes I take a step back, focus on the bigger picture, and keep the take as long as the meaning is still clear. Cheers! -Ben