I read in a blog that Stanley didn't have a foundry in New Britain, but Union Plane did. Union tool built Stanley planes for awhile. The President of Stanley was a Stanley as well as Union Tool President was a Stanley.. Stanley eventually bought out Union but still made their planes. ( for awhile)
Ya from what George was saying technically Stanley never made a plane. They never had their own foundry but bought other foundries to make the planes for them
@@BatCaveCreations Stanley did one thing great and people should take notice. They were masters at marketing. You don't have to build the plane....you just need to convince the public that they can't live without it. A lesson that brewery king, Budweiser forgot.
@brhino1017 Stanley deff was a marketing genius. Your right they didn't do everything right but buying out all the competition or as much as they could then blasting adds. They got that down pat hahaha And any Advertiser that advertises to 1 "side" is going to lose the other. That's like marketing 101 hahahah
Sargent VBM planes circa 1910 to 1918 were some of the best planes ever made. Thicker English irons (less chatter). Heavier castings, East Indian Rosewood totes. Later VBM's moved the rear tote farther back for more comfort and better control. I still love my Stanley's but for fine work I reach for my Sargent VBM's. Thank you George Sargent. You truly made a better plane .
Funny he should mention E.A. Berg. I have an extensive collection of Berg chisels (and other tools). I just finished restoring a very rare 63 mm Berg chisel. Awesome tools!
Never seen any Swan or PS&W/Pexto planes, or even plane irons but they made decent chisels. Not quite up to par with Buck, Witherby, Barton, or White but still good. A little over 20 years ago I acquired the remnants of a shipwright's tool set including mix of White and Barton chisels, slick, shipwright's adze, along with Berg plane Irons in user-made tropical hardwood planes. Some of the plane double irons are unused extras. I'll own those tools till I die. 🙃
Pexto planes are horrible! Stamped steel frog lol no support for the pressure of the blade cutting! Deff keep those shipwrights too! Thats amazing! Great find!
They wasn't called Cramtons , they were called Chapman, and they made absolutely beautiful planes, and of course, they were ground that's ridiculous , That's why Stanley bought them out, It got rid of the competition and Stanley wanted to make plane's in England as it cut costs of shipping, Acorn plane were high quality specially the older ones, when Stanley bought Chapmans out they made a much cheaper Acorn for the DIY person which was crap nothing like the old Chapman Acorn plane's do your research just Google it, I have a few old Chapman Acorn plane's and they are brilliant plane's, I have restored hundreds of plane's including Norris Slater Matheson and Stanley's Sargent Preston and many more over the years, I am a fully qualified professional Carpenter and still use my Chapman Acorn plane's.
@@BatCaveCreations grabbing some evidence for the claims would be helpful as well….. our corp historian has found (with actual evidence) quite a bit that would counter a significant portion of the claims made.
The Sheffield company Stanley acquired that produced Acorn planes was J. A. Chapman Limited. Early Acorn planes were not so bad, I own several. They were lesser planes than contemporary Marples and Record planes, but they were not junk. After Stanley took over they carried on producing Acorn planes as a second cheaper line of tools aimed at DIYers. They produced them until the mid 70s. Over that time their quality diminished significantly, gaining them their reputation for being "junk". The Acorns produced by Stanley were the forerunner of the Handyman series of planes, in fact some of the Handyman branded planes sold in the USA were Acorns painted blue. Early Acorns are made from higher quality materials and made to higher standards than modern Stanleys.
Sorry but You are talking about a load of rubbish Acorn was made by Chapman's and was absolutely brilliant plane's and only became crap once Stanley bought Chapman out and Stanley continued making a cheaper version of the Acorn plane but made for the DIY person, I know because I have restored hundreds of plane's Stanley Chapman old Acorn plane's , Norris plane's, Matheson plane's Holland plane's Slater plane's, Preston plane's and I have a whole set of Stanley sweetheart Plane's from No 1 to No 8 and many other older Stanley plane's and Sargent plane's, Lie Nielsen plane's Clifton plane's and Record ss plane's and vintage Millers Falls planes, and veritas and many more, I have a old No 5 Chapman Acorn and it's one of my best plane's, I and a 64 year old qualified professional master Carpenter and my two Sons are qualified professional Carpenter's, so you are definitely wrong about the Chapman Acorn plane's for sure, and Sargent Sold planes for Stanley and then started making their own, many tool company's used other foundries including Record , Leonard Bailey was upset with Stanley because he would get so much money on the sale of each plane that was the deal they made, but Stanley started making Transitional plane's part wood and part metal and selling them at a cheaper price using the Bailey pattern blade adjuster, so Leonard Bailey was losing money over it , that was the reason.
enjoyed listening to George. He is a great guy with a wealth of old tool knowledge.
Please do more interviews with him. Love the history.
Same! I deff hope to!!
AGREE! Would love to know more of this tool history.
Love the video. Wish it were longer.
Same :( lol
Definitely need more interviews with this knowledgeable fellow!
Great video! Please make a part II🤞🏻
I hope so!!!
Amazing video!
I read in a blog that Stanley didn't have a foundry in New Britain, but Union Plane did. Union tool built Stanley planes for awhile. The President of Stanley was a Stanley as well as Union Tool President was a Stanley.. Stanley eventually bought out Union but still made their planes. ( for awhile)
Ya from what George was saying technically Stanley never made a plane. They never had their own foundry but bought other foundries to make the planes for them
@@BatCaveCreations Stanley did one thing great and people should take notice. They were masters at marketing. You don't have to build the plane....you just need to convince the public that they can't live without it. A lesson that brewery king, Budweiser forgot.
@brhino1017 Stanley deff was a marketing genius. Your right they didn't do everything right but buying out all the competition or as much as they could then blasting adds. They got that down pat hahaha
And any Advertiser that advertises to 1 "side" is going to lose the other. That's like marketing 101 hahahah
Sargent VBM planes circa 1910 to 1918 were some of the best planes ever made.
Thicker English irons (less chatter). Heavier castings, East Indian Rosewood totes. Later VBM's moved the rear tote farther back for more comfort and better control. I still love my Stanley's but for fine work I reach for my Sargent VBM's.
Thank you George Sargent. You truly made a better plane .
VBS are awesome you got that right!!!
Wow cool!
Funny he should mention E.A. Berg. I have an extensive collection of Berg chisels (and other tools). I just finished restoring a very rare 63 mm Berg chisel. Awesome tools!
That's awesome!!!
Starrett not worth mentioning?
I think he was focusing on planes
Luban Quensheng are very good modern examples but we don’t get them easily in the US.
One day I'll try one! Haven't had a chance yet! Thank you!!
Never seen any Swan or PS&W/Pexto planes, or even plane irons but they made decent chisels. Not quite up to par with Buck, Witherby, Barton, or White but still good.
A little over 20 years ago I acquired the remnants of a shipwright's tool set including mix of White and Barton chisels, slick, shipwright's adze, along with Berg plane Irons in user-made tropical hardwood planes. Some of the plane double irons are unused extras. I'll own those tools till I die. 🙃
Pexto planes are horrible! Stamped steel frog lol no support for the pressure of the blade cutting!
Deff keep those shipwrights too! Thats amazing! Great find!
Funny how old planes were not made in neighboring Plainville.
That would have been halarious!
They wasn't called Cramtons , they were called Chapman, and they made absolutely beautiful planes, and of course, they were ground that's ridiculous , That's why Stanley bought them out, It got rid of the competition and Stanley wanted to make plane's in England as it cut costs of shipping, Acorn plane were high quality specially the older ones, when Stanley bought Chapmans out they made a much cheaper Acorn for the DIY person which was crap nothing like the old Chapman Acorn plane's do your research just Google it, I have a few old Chapman Acorn plane's and they are brilliant plane's, I have restored hundreds of plane's including Norris Slater Matheson and Stanley's Sargent Preston and many more over the years, I am a fully qualified professional Carpenter and still use my Chapman Acorn plane's.
Interesting take. It would be good to hear the WHOLE story (in his opinion) as there is a heck of a lot more to it than was discussed.
Very true, I would like to go visit him again and see if he can expand on this
@@BatCaveCreations grabbing some evidence for the claims would be helpful as well….. our corp historian has found (with actual evidence) quite a bit that would counter a significant portion of the claims made.
shhhh.... no one has to know that my craftsmen planes are miller falls.
I saw one of those for the first time the other day! Do they have Millers falls around the knob!?
The Sheffield company Stanley acquired that produced Acorn planes was J. A. Chapman Limited. Early Acorn planes were not so bad, I own several. They were lesser planes than contemporary Marples and Record planes, but they were not junk. After Stanley took over they carried on producing Acorn planes as a second cheaper line of tools aimed at DIYers. They produced them until the mid 70s. Over that time their quality diminished significantly, gaining them their reputation for being "junk". The Acorns produced by Stanley were the forerunner of the Handyman series of planes, in fact some of the Handyman branded planes sold in the USA were Acorns painted blue. Early Acorns are made from higher quality materials and made to higher standards than modern Stanleys.
Bat Cave Creations : BCC.
Could have been Bat Thirsty Creations : BTC😅
Hahahah oh my! Imma have to use that gif in a video now huh?
Hmm imma have to keep my eye out for an early acorn. I've never actually seen a bench plane size acorn in person. Thank you!
Sorry but You are talking about a load of rubbish Acorn was made by Chapman's and was absolutely brilliant plane's and only became crap once Stanley bought Chapman out and Stanley continued making a cheaper version of the Acorn plane but made for the DIY person, I know because I have restored hundreds of plane's Stanley Chapman old Acorn plane's , Norris plane's, Matheson plane's Holland plane's Slater plane's, Preston plane's and I have a whole set of Stanley sweetheart Plane's from No 1 to No 8 and many other older Stanley plane's and Sargent plane's, Lie Nielsen plane's Clifton plane's and Record ss plane's and vintage Millers Falls planes, and veritas and many more, I have a old No 5 Chapman Acorn and it's one of my best plane's, I and a 64 year old qualified professional master Carpenter and my two Sons are qualified professional Carpenter's, so you are definitely wrong about the Chapman Acorn plane's for sure, and Sargent Sold planes for Stanley and then started making their own, many tool company's used other foundries including Record , Leonard Bailey was upset with Stanley because he would get so much money on the sale of each plane that was the deal they made, but Stanley started making Transitional plane's part wood and part metal and selling them at a cheaper price using the Bailey pattern blade adjuster, so Leonard Bailey was losing money over it , that was the reason.