Mike's gone and got himself an upgrade ;) been a pleasure collaborating with you to help bring these Sunset City stories to life. But what's next for Mike??!
@@egill624 well someone else in the comments thought he looked like Trevor 😂 so take your pick haha. Nah just a random dude in a suit pretty much but only have certain options to choose from to create the models
I love traffic fixing and always have despawning disabled, but it's a whole different style of playing; in contrast I would never even remotely be able to make such a great, realistic and unique looking city. I'm always in awe by your builds and Sunset City is no exception.
So on shipping: barges. Florida has a *lot* of barge shipping, so it would make sense to make that a major part of the cargo network. As for characters for the Cuban neighborhood (maybe called Little Varadero, after the Cuban city) there should be a gang presence, and the character might be one of the people that was watching Mikes house on fire?
I'd like to think that the PeopleMover of the city was an extension of some monorail they built in the world expo, perhaps it was one of the main features of it as well, and eventually had expanded to the downtown?
That sounds like the 1962 Century 21 Exposition in Seattle. The Seattle Center monorail was actually built for it, and anybody who's been there knows it still runs today. Even uses the two original trains.
@@SSZaris Oh yeah, it's the thing to see for me. Seattle these days, not so great. Won't go into that, I'm sure people read the news and know what it's been like for the past few years. But the monorail and the Space Needle. Must see. I had a wonderful dinner a few years ago with an old friend of mine there in the lounge. Expensive, but the view was phenomenal. Drinks were okay, I think they water down the martinis a little, but they made an amazing rum cannonball, but mind this was a while ago. Don't know what it's like now.
@@AnnPMadera Yea it was over 10 years ago for me. It was so friendly and accommodating. Sad to see what it's become. I'm glad you enjoyed the space needle. It was probably the highlight of my USA trip.
Playing with despawning disabled is totally possible, but it involves starting out with despawning disabled and fixing problem spots right as they develop. If you play for too long with despawning enabled, then a lot of problem spots will go unnoticed and the traffic will quickly become unmanageable when despawning is turned off.
Traffic management and road builds are honestly my favourite kind! For the world expo, i think a large amphitheater in front of the stadium that looks onto a stage area with a ornate feature pond or even a quay that extends the water into a waterfront with large glass buildings around it. Could set the tone for a futuristic look
The expo should be the 1969 sunset city world’s fair. Considering that real life Miami is just south of the Kennedy space center, it would be interesting to see stuff from the Apollo era on the grounds. Like, for example, the centerpiece of the fair could possibly be an Apollo rocket!
Well, as the Expo 2000 took place here I guess I got one of the best rl examples of old Expo Areas. What I would suggest are some abandoned projects. There'll probably be that nice, afterwards further used area, in which concerts or conventions take place - FAB Arena and whatever will happen next to it - but there'd also be that rundown part. Where the future plans didn't work out or were abandoned because of cost issues. Probably have a look at the Dutch Pavilion of Expo 2000. You'll get a pretty good idea of what was planned to happen but never did. I'd like to see that at some point. Plans won't just work out nicely, there'll be that ugly part nobody likes to talk about.
Perhaps around the Fab! Arena, you could add a large plaza with a long line of flags of different countries and such to show how it was once a building for the World Expo! It would look great with lines of trees, of course flags, cool path designs, and possibly even a large reflection pool!
The area around the Fab Arena could be the remnants of an old F1 street circuit like they used to have in the 60s (and are actually rebuiding for this year's calender). Kind of like how Albert Park in Melbourne is both a functioning road and purpose built race track.
You should definitely revisit some of Biffa's old (1 to 3 years ago max) traffic fix videos. I wish there were more from that time period, really. It's a treasure trove of traffic management information which absolutely still remains relevant today even with all the changes to mods and to the game. I think honestly your understanding of traffic management is pretty good, if not a wee excessive on the lane restrictions. What I see you should work on or maybe need to see more (hence Biffa's videos) is isolating the roots of problems, especially for circular gridlocks, and using the tools (e.g., the in-game traffic tool which Biffa uses a lot to find where traffic is headed).
i love the detail in the suburb at the end, obviously nobody wants to live 10 meters away from a super busy highway so the plots are abandoned, looks so cool
The older Hispanic district could be called “Little Santiago”, given that a major city named Santiago is present in Chile, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba (and is part of the full name of major cities in Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and Mexico) so it could be a little vague who settled it first
18:32 If Seminole state is Florida, Sunset City is Miami, an alternate name for Cuba could be Coabana (supposedly the original name for Cuba; means 'great place' in Taino), and Little Havana could be Little Fuerza (Fuerza is a castle fort in Havana harbour)
I love how you captured our traffic so accurately, funny cause the roads down here in Miami are like 6 lanes and its still always so full. there are WAAAAYYYYYY too many people living here, yet they just keep building up.
That's because there's no alternative save for the Metrorail and it only goes from Dadeland to Hialeah and the Airport via Miami downtown and Jackson Memorial.
A bit late to the party, but since the city is on the coast: tall buildings with a very distinct shape would make for good World Expo buildings! Plus, you could make postcards of the city skyline with the sunset behind it!
With an Expo remnants being around and heavily used, Seville is one of the bigger examples. Most of the 92's buildings are refurbished into television channels offices, colleges, companies, a theme park... usually you can find around a lot of spaces for plazas and so with symbols of the event, as they were meant for people walking around. I'd say maybe a tower being turned into the Sunset City TV could be a pretty realistic idea and even the college might be around there as a way to kinda "force more people using the area" when the expo is over. For the Latin neighborhood, a character that might have some sense is a famous singer/producer ("Meche Sola" or something like that). Around that era Gloria Estefan, Celia Cruz, Marisela and so were well known names. That theater you can see from the highway (named "Libertana" because those latin singers where running away from their politics?) could be where they started to grow until they hit the Latin Billboard and moved into the mansion area. Around that "Lil' Bayamo' (or as you want to call the neighborhood, I feel it's better to use the names of Cuba provinces/cities rather the actual classic Cuba/Habana ones to be like original but still a reference) they'd need some remnants of their heritage to be a "feeling like at home but in a different country". With school, radio station (pretty important), latin shops and stuff like that. Really, this city has so many stories potential that it's hard to just focus in one.
There should definitely be an activist street artist from the wynwood inspired area! I think that would go so well with the spirit of the neighborhood being split by the highway
A battleship museum should be added at the fab Arena, showcasing the SS Valley, one of the three surviving Sun-Class Battleships. Despite the fact that the other two sank in the Atlantic, the Valley miraculously survived. During its active duty, the Valley was awarded four medals and played a crucial role in helping soldiers invade beaches and escort convoys. However, the ship suffered a severe blow to its engine room, causing a massive explosion in the number 3 turret and leaving a 30-inch hole in its hull. Despite this setback, the Valley was able to stay afloat due to its advantageous watertight hulls and the bravery of its crew. The ship was eventually towed to Sunset for repairs and decommissioned, owing to the extent of the damage.
If you add 2 cargo terminals, they will fly cargo to one another and import and export but not the same for passenger planes. This really helped the cargo traffic in my city and could really help yours.
I think some good relics to put around the old expo would probably be something similar to the space needle in Seattle or the space needle itself. Surrounding the space needle are many modern stadiums and moder art structures and I think many of these would fit nicely and at some more pops of color and spots of internet. I also think that the monorail could connect up nicely and have a cool futuristic station at the expo center. Love your videos and think this would be cool to see! Much love from the west coast
i disable despawning from the get go but i also change a lot of those unique buildings to offices or residential buildings before pressing play. and i set up as few highways as possible while getting people where they need to go. But my city definitely hasn’t grown as much as yours has yet, great work tho!!
Love the intersections bro! Maybe you could add more lanes, (or let the extra lane begin earlier) to fix the business of the off ramps? Would look less realistic but would function better, so you could turn off vehicle despawning. Maybe if you have finished a section of the city, you could go from highway, to main arterials and collectors and try to better the traffic flow by having a lot of timed traffic in sequence. Also a “hugo-through” (don’t know the real name, blame BiffaPlays) would probably help the flow in some nodes. Upping the speed on some places could also help, when there is a lot of traffic lights behind one another prehaps. Hope this helps, keep up the awesome building!
I’ve always felt traffic was the challenge of C:S. You fight, you lose, you fight some more, you win. TM:PE doesn’t change that, it just gives more tools to deal with it. To keep the challenge, I play with despawning off. It’s possible, but you need to follow a couple basic steps: - Road hierarchy: people travel from local roads to collectors, to arterials, to highways and back again. The less local and arterial roads a person has to cross, the less congestion that person causes. - Points of access: the more routes people can take, the less each route gets congested. Even walkway bridges over highways will do wonders. - Transportation options: this adds to the amount of routes people can take. I love bicycles, as they transport people far and wide, but hardly cause congestion. But trams, busses, trains are all great options! If you keep these rules in mind, I believe that even a city like Sunset City could run without despawning. But I’ll be honest: this challenge is beyond my capabilities. You’ve certainly got your work cut out for you!
World's Fairs usually bring massive opportunity to develop a vast and modern convention center ; such buildings could fit quite well next to the Fab Arena among other fancy urbanism ideas (promenades, monorails, fountains, gardens). The FAB Arena is already built in that way of channeling a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised that during a post-WW2 world Fair, US gov would want to show how Sunset City was Tomorrow's American Metropole in this particular place. So yes, just like other great suggestions: wide pedestrian path, promenade, flags, trees, water + shops + convention center!
i suck at cities, but you’re like the main reason i even began to use TMPE and timed stop lights in my most recent city. i’m definitely more of a sims 4 detailed house builder, and i forget i’ve been playing sims for almost 20 years and i didn’t just ~develop~ the skill in like 2 years lol.
I have despawning disabled in my city...the traffic flow usually hovers around 82-85%. I usually achieve this by firstly making sure there are as many streets connected to the main roads as possible...this allows each vehicle a choice to shed itself from the main road to a street when it needs to go to its destination. Then when there is more build-up...depending on what type of traffic...I will either add public transport or add multiple better access to industrial areas etc. Many players seem to have freeways and interchanges that filter down to main roads then streets...but also keeping these built up areas as islands on either sides of the freeways...this is a recipe for trouble...it's better to build a city like the old days ...be it a grid or not, but just make many connections and reduce islands (unless if that's what you want) as much as possible.
i always play with despawning turned off, however i do it from the beginning so i tackle traffic issues as they arise rather than having the entire city hit with it all at once.
I always play with despawning off, its just a fun and challenging style of playing, although even with months of working on problem areas they always need to be tweaked, it just gives me a reason to come back and play it
Seattle's World Expo left behind not just the Space Needle and surround Seattle Center museums, but also a monorail that connects the Expo area to the downtown. A monorail would be cool and very retro-future
Sunset city looking good. If you need a idea for what to place next to FAB stadium, I think a yachtclub/small boat harbor across the canal would fit perfectly
A character you could create is Milton, owner of a car dealer shop, hes from Brazil and went to Sunset City tryin' to make the good life, his cars are all over the place with a lot of people getting in trouble cuz of malfunction, in fact, a lot of his cars are missing parts he sells to the Black Market to make extra money. Just an idea...
Awesome episode. It might not be Biffa’s work, but you deserve some credit for the traffic improvements. I think the plans for a Little Havana and a World’s Fair/Expo site are excellent - my two cents for the fairgrounds are to include a TON of water features. That’s possibly the one thing all the photos you flashed up have in common, besides flags.
I think for the island you talked about isn't Cuba proper but a separate island (like guarma in rdr2), maybe a former island of Cuba sized by the US at somepoint (during the Cuban revolution or earlier) making it distinctly in the style of Cuba but still having distinctly American stuff there. As the series is set in 80's during the cold war the island could have been militarized by the US and installed a millitary/naval base as it is a stragically import position as it is positioned between sunset city and cuba.
I play with despawn disabled all the time and it’s completely possible to have a full flowing city. You just have to tackle the traffic issues as they begin before they get out of hand. I am currently playing on a map with multiple small town spread out throughout the map with a main central highway linking the whole map together. So far, my traffic flow has been a consistent 75-80% flow.
I've always thought it would be cool to see you collab with Biffa on traffic fixes. Not as a 'fix my city' vid, but as a stream where you could both talk about the fix and he could understand your rationales. You're both amazing creators. It would be fun. Maybe. :)
It would be interesting to see maybe a character from one of the neighborhoods you mentioned becoming a popular local artist with some outdoor public sculptures or wall paintings sprinkled around the city that represent their heritage.
I've found that the only way my city can survive despawning off is- weirdly enough- NOT making the lanes bigger, but making dedicated lanes! For example, instead of having 2 lanes go into one (14:55 and the big chonker intersection at 16:00), just having 1 lane per turn or enough lanes for traffic to move without crossing the lines in TM:PE moves things SUPER satisfyingly! Hope it helps :)
I think it was for Expo '86 that Vancouver built their Science World facility (big weird snow-globe looking building), which has been a pretty interesting part of their skyline since - and a cool school field trip. That may be an idea for ya. I sometimes run with de-spawning off, but only once I get my transit in order - especially train traffic. Causes a lot of headaches otherwise.
playing without despawn is possible. The key is: outside connections. Trains work wonders. And then put a toll booth on every entering highway to scare of the rest of them.
Wynwood wasn't always like you said. It was a poor neighborhood for decades, abandoned for years, businesses close, empty commercial lots... and because it was abandoned, kids came to tag the walls. a little over a decade ago, the tags start to attract some tourists, there was big ones ,few beautiful ones, but mostly ugly ones. Because tourists start to come, people did more tags, better, more beautiful, it attracted more and more tourists, some small businesses re-opened, and for few years now it became popular again, more businesses, they started to build residential buildings, parking, night clubs, and now it a busy neighborhood that becomes very expensive, with more and more street art, but still the west part of it close by the freeway are still abandoned. It became very touristic lately. Before it was a bad area you wanted to avoid, a lot of drug traffic there.
A big thing, you need to do when playing with despawn on is, play with it from the beginning, and dont use the Trafficmanager yield stuff on intersections, otherwise some cars will never be able to clear a intersection because it gives way to everyone else and never can leave the intersection.
build like a ring road that acts like a northern bypass through the suburbs. And it could link at two points with the existing freeway. One interchange could be at the existing spaghetti junction near the fab arena, where it could use a little stretch of already built freeway, before then turning through the north end of the suburbs and back to the main freeway on the side of the city, thus completing a loop
King Buns reminds me of wimpy in the UK. It was the biggest British Fast food before mcdonalds and other american fast food came to the Uk. But now it has only a few places left now and is on its last leg.
I like the idea of that island being Cuba, having something story related within the relations between the US and Cuba in the 80s, the types of trafficking that was happening at the time can be very interesting!
IMO that monorail is clearly an expo relic. Somehow that needs to be placed and connected to the stadium. Some kind of iconic tower too would be typical.
I think that the heavily Cuban influenced area could be called Nuevo Camagüey, with many from the Mariel Boat lift or Cubans from other parts of the state migrating. There could also be some newly opened parks in the early 1980s, like there was in IRL Miami
I usually have despawning disabled in my city. The thing that really makes the traffic crazy is the 'more realistic parking AI' in TM:PE. I am a transport engineer by day though.
The little island off Sunset city, which you said could be Cuba could also be inspired by the Bahamas. It is just an hour flight from Miami. You could experiment with small islands aswell, and it could be a very touristy place for the citizens of Sunset city. could could develop a tiny airport for it which is something that hasn't been done much is the CS community. Would be a cool build for sure if you are interested in doing it.
Never even knew that you could disable despawns of traffic... Speaking of traffic, One thing I have always loved seeing people do is creating a event on the roads (Broken down vehicle, Roll over, Road Repairs, Ect) it brings a random section of road to life.
I always disable despawning. I also try to avoid any form of public transport as a bit of a challenge. I don't get many big traffic issues. I fix them using a mix of proper lane uses, signal timing, and road layouts.
I live near Miami little Havana has alot if Hispanic feel and wynwood is a neighborhood that is just north of downtown that has art on each building mostly warehousesart deco shops and cafes and art galleries. I would recommend doing a street view to get the feel of the area but it's a big tourist Hotspot.
Hi ! for the neighborhood that looks like winwood we could create a street artist who does giant installations and street art in the neighborhood. it could become really popular and have an exhibition in a museum eventually. but he does not forget the neighborhood where he grew up
My favourite part of the game is keeping the traffic flowing - great vid but yea it’s not a true city in my games unless you turn off the despawing, just so much fun managing the traffic
On a quick wiki search: Cuba may be derived from the Taíno words "cuboa" or "coabana". Thus, for the island itself, I'd propose "Taíno" in recognition of that native history. Then, for its capital and our local enclave - Havana is considered to be named after a Taíno cacique (chief) named Habaguanex. You can find a list of famous Taíno people on Wikipedia (who may have hailed from Puerto Rico or elsewhere, not just Cuba), but a selection of my favorites to name a city after are Brizuela, Loquillo, & Majagua. Just some of my picks that would have a similar ring or cadence to "Cuba" & "Havana".
*Miguel Correa* Miguel Correa, a man born in Colombia. His father? A notorious criminal with ties to the Escobars. Soon after Miguel’s birth he and his family rushed to find home somewhere far away from the Colombian mafia. The Correas found home in Cuba, aka little Cuba in a calm estate near the highway. Here, Miguel was quick to follow his fathers footsteps. Starting with shoplifting and pickpocketing he soon transitioned into a gang - Ojos llorosos (teary eyed.) The gang name hints to the tatoo that is mandatory for all gang members, a tear next to the right eye. Miguel climbed in the criminal hierarchy and found himself at the top. Here he “sorts things out” with a group of goons. After failing to pay of a hefty debt Migu met the infamous Mike Burgansy… This is just a thought and I would love to someway help and expand the Sunset City storyline!
That arterial road with that level train crossing right next to the new intersection should definitely be an underpass, there's no way realistically a city would leave it as a level crossing when it connects right next to a highway junction because traffic waiting for the trains would back up onto the highway
You should add a character called, Sonya Vercetti. Daughter of the late Tommy Vercetti (from GTA) (I know GTA Vice City takes place in the 80s, but it wouldn’t hurt to push those events at least 2 decades back and create our own story). Sonya Vercetti could be a famous movie superstar, CEO of a gigantic movie/music studio (something like Disney and Warner Bros.). She's also the creator of big-time TV show, Star Sight (a mix of Miami Vice and Baywatch). She can even have some connections to Mobs/Mafias around the city due to her dad being Tommy Vercetti. And to make it interesting she could have something to do with Mike's mess he's in with the mob.
Maybe not Cuba itself, perhaps the island is a small Havana-esque city under the jurisdiction of Cuba. Lore-wise it could be a Spanish fort-turned-city built between Seminole and the Cuban main island.
I usually build my cities without despawning, it's definitely possible but the highway to urban road intersections are always the chokepoint unless you really mess up. You might want to disincentivise people turning off the middle highway intersection into to the cbd and only allow the cbd to enter onto the highway, while leaving two way access for the residential neighborhood. It's pretty obvious the issue is two highway exits sending traffic through the cbd that have to cross each other's right of way to get where they want to. You can see it in the major roads around that GTA vice city building... Looks great though
Turning respawning off in a city not designed for it can be very hard, but if possible, reducing the amount of intersections on a main arterial road can be very beneficial for speeding up car traffic. Roundabouts are also a good alternative to intersections but they have to be placed away from any other traffic lights or intersections. These requires a lot of demolitions though. I've personally never been able to fix a city, only design it from the start.
17:58 Little Havana should have a mafia leader named Rebecca Hernandez. She became the mafia leader when her husband Christian Hernandez die from a CIA raid. She lived through the raid and has kept the "family business" alive.
seeing as how it’s based on 80’s Miami, I’d love to see a nod to Scarface or Miami Vice… maybe with Tony Montana’s (I’ll call him Tommy California for copyright reasons) mansion on the border between the rich residential area and the everglades, or maybe the Vice speedboat parked in the downtown harbor
Seeing as this is something that has not been adressed in the series at all so far, (maybe in livestreams I am not sure) the expo could be something about power generation. The latest breakthroughs in nuclear power generation etc.
Repurposing a world's fair in the 1980's would have probably been built in the 1950's. Modernist, Brutalist, . The Phillips Pavilion, State Pavilion Towers, a big structure like the Canada Palace from the '86 expo in Vancouver. Possibly a big fountain like the International Fountain from the Seattle World Fair.
i think for one of the leftover infrastructure from the world expo could be a floating king buns restaurant. in the 1980s, mcdonalds build a floating mcdonalds for the worlds fair in vancouver. i think adding one in sunset city wiuld be really cool.
Mike's gone and got himself an upgrade ;) been a pleasure collaborating with you to help bring these Sunset City stories to life. But what's next for Mike??!
From a distance he kind of looks like Michael from GTA 5 lol
@@egill624 well Sunset City is like Vice City so there’s a GTA connection ;)
@@sully_skylines Was it intentional?
@@egill624 well someone else in the comments thought he looked like Trevor 😂 so take your pick haha. Nah just a random dude in a suit pretty much but only have certain options to choose from to create the models
I love traffic fixing and always have despawning disabled, but it's a whole different style of playing; in contrast I would never even remotely be able to make such a great, realistic and unique looking city. I'm always in awe by your builds and Sunset City is no exception.
Thank you kind sir. I’m in awe you can create a city with despawning turned off. I’m going to work towards it
Me to its really cool in that little Havana area you should make up something that involves the Cuban Mafia
So on shipping: barges. Florida has a *lot* of barge shipping, so it would make sense to make that a major part of the cargo network.
As for characters for the Cuban neighborhood (maybe called Little Varadero, after the Cuban city) there should be a gang presence, and the character might be one of the people that was watching Mikes house on fire?
I'd like to think that the PeopleMover of the city was an extension of some monorail they built in the world expo, perhaps it was one of the main features of it as well, and eventually had expanded to the downtown?
That sounds like the 1962 Century 21 Exposition in Seattle. The Seattle Center monorail was actually built for it, and anybody who's been there knows it still runs today. Even uses the two original trains.
@@AnnPMadera That monorail was one of the highlights for me when I got to visit Seattle. The way it ran through the buildings was really cool.
@@SSZaris Oh yeah, it's the thing to see for me. Seattle these days, not so great. Won't go into that, I'm sure people read the news and know what it's been like for the past few years. But the monorail and the Space Needle. Must see. I had a wonderful dinner a few years ago with an old friend of mine there in the lounge. Expensive, but the view was phenomenal. Drinks were okay, I think they water down the martinis a little, but they made an amazing rum cannonball, but mind this was a while ago. Don't know what it's like now.
@@AnnPMadera Yea it was over 10 years ago for me. It was so friendly and accommodating. Sad to see what it's become. I'm glad you enjoyed the space needle. It was probably the highlight of my USA trip.
Playing with despawning disabled is totally possible, but it involves starting out with despawning disabled and fixing problem spots right as they develop. If you play for too long with despawning enabled, then a lot of problem spots will go unnoticed and the traffic will quickly become unmanageable when despawning is turned off.
I like the despawning off, it is closer to the reality of Florida traffic. Traffic here in just about all parts of Florida is absolutely terrible.
Traffic management and road builds are honestly my favourite kind!
For the world expo, i think a large amphitheater in front of the stadium that looks onto a stage area with a ornate feature pond or even a quay that extends the water into a waterfront with large glass buildings around it. Could set the tone for a futuristic look
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The expo should be the 1969 sunset city world’s fair. Considering that real life Miami is just south of the Kennedy space center, it would be interesting to see stuff from the Apollo era on the grounds. Like, for example, the centerpiece of the fair could possibly be an Apollo rocket!
Well, as the Expo 2000 took place here I guess I got one of the best rl examples of old Expo Areas. What I would suggest are some abandoned projects. There'll probably be that nice, afterwards further used area, in which concerts or conventions take place - FAB Arena and whatever will happen next to it - but there'd also be that rundown part. Where the future plans didn't work out or were abandoned because of cost issues. Probably have a look at the Dutch Pavilion of Expo 2000. You'll get a pretty good idea of what was planned to happen but never did. I'd like to see that at some point. Plans won't just work out nicely, there'll be that ugly part nobody likes to talk about.
Perhaps around the Fab! Arena, you could add a large plaza with a long line of flags of different countries and such to show how it was once a building for the World Expo! It would look great with lines of trees, of course flags, cool path designs, and possibly even a large reflection pool!
That's a great idea!
@@twodollarstwenty Thanks so much!!! I love your videos!
@@twodollarstwenty sure is, and perhaps also a docked ship turned into a floating restaurant.
@@mragmeti5917 oh that's a really good idea!
The area around the Fab Arena could be the remnants of an old F1 street circuit like they used to have in the 60s (and are actually rebuiding for this year's calender). Kind of like how Albert Park in Melbourne is both a functioning road and purpose built race track.
You should definitely revisit some of Biffa's old (1 to 3 years ago max) traffic fix videos. I wish there were more from that time period, really. It's a treasure trove of traffic management information which absolutely still remains relevant today even with all the changes to mods and to the game.
I think honestly your understanding of traffic management is pretty good, if not a wee excessive on the lane restrictions. What I see you should work on or maybe need to see more (hence Biffa's videos) is isolating the roots of problems, especially for circular gridlocks, and using the tools (e.g., the in-game traffic tool which Biffa uses a lot to find where traffic is headed).
i love the detail in the suburb at the end, obviously nobody wants to live 10 meters away from a super busy highway so the plots are abandoned, looks so cool
Its the aesthetics and traffic for me.
Just such a lovely series! I sometimes wish I could actually visit the cities you create.
The older Hispanic district could be called “Little Santiago”, given that a major city named Santiago is present in Chile, the Dominican Republic, and Cuba (and is part of the full name of major cities in Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and Mexico) so it could be a little vague who settled it first
18:32 If Seminole state is Florida, Sunset City is Miami, an alternate name for Cuba could be Coabana (supposedly the original name for Cuba; means 'great place' in Taino), and Little Havana could be Little Fuerza (Fuerza is a castle fort in Havana harbour)
I think having a Cuban foot market in the neighborhood would be a fun idea, since there's some in Miami!
The best content out here, loved the story line, the animated characters, we’ll worth the wait!!
I could see the Observation Tower (Park Life DLC) and/or the Oriental Pearl Tower (Pearls from the East CCP) being on the World Expo site.
I've always really loved the name Bayamon, a city in Puerto Rico!
I think artificial lakes and Gadget bahns are essential features of world expos
I love how you captured our traffic so accurately, funny cause the roads down here in Miami are like 6 lanes and its still always so full. there are WAAAAYYYYYY too many people living here, yet they just keep building up.
Nah there are just no alternatives then to drive
If only people had a realistic alternative to driving 🤔
That's because there's no alternative save for the Metrorail and it only goes from Dadeland to Hialeah and the Airport via Miami downtown and Jackson Memorial.
A bit late to the party, but since the city is on the coast: tall buildings with a very distinct shape would make for good World Expo buildings! Plus, you could make postcards of the city skyline with the sunset behind it!
Loving the series! I’d love to see more servos (gas stations 😅) around the city, especially on street corners :)
With an Expo remnants being around and heavily used, Seville is one of the bigger examples. Most of the 92's buildings are refurbished into television channels offices, colleges, companies, a theme park... usually you can find around a lot of spaces for plazas and so with symbols of the event, as they were meant for people walking around. I'd say maybe a tower being turned into the Sunset City TV could be a pretty realistic idea and even the college might be around there as a way to kinda "force more people using the area" when the expo is over.
For the Latin neighborhood, a character that might have some sense is a famous singer/producer ("Meche Sola" or something like that). Around that era Gloria Estefan, Celia Cruz, Marisela and so were well known names. That theater you can see from the highway (named "Libertana" because those latin singers where running away from their politics?) could be where they started to grow until they hit the Latin Billboard and moved into the mansion area. Around that "Lil' Bayamo' (or as you want to call the neighborhood, I feel it's better to use the names of Cuba provinces/cities rather the actual classic Cuba/Habana ones to be like original but still a reference) they'd need some remnants of their heritage to be a "feeling like at home but in a different country". With school, radio station (pretty important), latin shops and stuff like that.
Really, this city has so many stories potential that it's hard to just focus in one.
Ask Biffa for hints. He always has traffic despawning off, and he knows the traffic system better than anyone.
There should definitely be an activist street artist from the wynwood inspired area! I think that would go so well with the spirit of the neighborhood being split by the highway
A battleship museum should be added at the fab Arena, showcasing the SS Valley, one of the three surviving Sun-Class Battleships. Despite the fact that the other two sank in the Atlantic, the Valley miraculously survived. During its active duty, the Valley was awarded four medals and played a crucial role in helping soldiers invade beaches and escort convoys. However, the ship suffered a severe blow to its engine room, causing a massive explosion in the number 3 turret and leaving a 30-inch hole in its hull. Despite this setback, the Valley was able to stay afloat due to its advantageous watertight hulls and the bravery of its crew. The ship was eventually towed to Sunset for repairs and decommissioned, owing to the extent of the damage.
If you add 2 cargo terminals, they will fly cargo to one another and import and export but not the same for passenger planes. This really helped the cargo traffic in my city and could really help yours.
Biffa has it off and seem to be doing ok. I always keep it on in my cities.
I think some good relics to put around the old expo would probably be something similar to the space needle in Seattle or the space needle itself. Surrounding the space needle are many modern stadiums and moder art structures and I think many of these would fit nicely and at some more pops of color and spots of internet. I also think that the monorail could connect up nicely and have a cool futuristic station at the expo center. Love your videos and think this would be cool to see! Much love from the west coast
i disable despawning from the get go but i also change a lot of those unique buildings to offices or residential buildings before pressing play. and i set up as few highways as possible while getting people where they need to go. But my city definitely hasn’t grown as much as yours has yet, great work tho!!
Love the intersections bro!
Maybe you could add more lanes, (or let the extra lane begin earlier) to fix the business of the off ramps? Would look less realistic but would function better, so you could turn off vehicle despawning.
Maybe if you have finished a section of the city, you could go from highway, to main arterials and collectors and try to better the traffic flow by having a lot of timed traffic in sequence.
Also a “hugo-through” (don’t know the real name, blame BiffaPlays) would probably help the flow in some nodes.
Upping the speed on some places could also help, when there is a lot of traffic lights behind one another prehaps.
Hope this helps, keep up the awesome building!
the monorail was definitely built for the world expo along with a fun downtown area on the beach
I’ve always felt traffic was the challenge of C:S. You fight, you lose, you fight some more, you win. TM:PE doesn’t change that, it just gives more tools to deal with it. To keep the challenge, I play with despawning off.
It’s possible, but you need to follow a couple basic steps:
- Road hierarchy: people travel from local roads to collectors, to arterials, to highways and back again. The less local and arterial roads a person has to cross, the less congestion that person causes.
- Points of access: the more routes people can take, the less each route gets congested. Even walkway bridges over highways will do wonders.
- Transportation options: this adds to the amount of routes people can take. I love bicycles, as they transport people far and wide, but hardly cause congestion. But trams, busses, trains are all great options!
If you keep these rules in mind, I believe that even a city like Sunset City could run without despawning. But I’ll be honest: this challenge is beyond my capabilities. You’ve certainly got your work cut out for you!
World's Fairs usually bring massive opportunity to develop a vast and modern convention center ; such buildings could fit quite well next to the Fab Arena among other fancy urbanism ideas (promenades, monorails, fountains, gardens). The FAB Arena is already built in that way of channeling a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised that during a post-WW2 world Fair, US gov would want to show how Sunset City was Tomorrow's American Metropole in this particular place.
So yes, just like other great suggestions: wide pedestrian path, promenade, flags, trees, water + shops + convention center!
I think it's more gritty nature makes it cleaner and smoother looking almost, it's nice and home-y
i suck at cities, but you’re like the main reason i even began to use TMPE and timed stop lights in my most recent city.
i’m definitely more of a sims 4 detailed house builder, and i forget i’ve been playing sims for almost 20 years and i didn’t just ~develop~ the skill in like 2 years lol.
In 1983 my grandmother worked in Wynwood. It was the garment district. Sweatshops as far as the eye could see.
I have despawning disabled in my city...the traffic flow usually hovers around 82-85%.
I usually achieve this by firstly making sure there are as many streets connected to the main roads as possible...this allows each vehicle a choice to shed itself from the main road to a street when it needs to go to its destination.
Then when there is more build-up...depending on what type of traffic...I will either add public transport or add multiple better access to industrial areas etc.
Many players seem to have freeways and interchanges that filter down to main roads then streets...but also keeping these built up areas as islands on either sides of the freeways...this is a recipe for trouble...it's better to build a city like the old days ...be it a grid or not, but just make many connections and reduce islands (unless if that's what you want) as much as possible.
i always play with despawning turned off, however i do it from the beginning so i tackle traffic issues as they arise rather than having the entire city hit with it all at once.
I always play with despawning off, its just a fun and challenging style of playing, although even with months of working on problem areas they always need to be tweaked, it just gives me a reason to come back and play it
Seattle's World Expo left behind not just the Space Needle and surround Seattle Center museums, but also a monorail that connects the Expo area to the downtown. A monorail would be cool and very retro-future
I’m assuming it’s night time for you guys In Aussie, but it’s always nice being able to wake up to a new
$2.20 here in Jersey
In europe its 13:02
It’s 11:08 PM in Aus.
Same from new hampshire
Sunset city looking good.
If you need a idea for what to place next to FAB stadium, I think a yachtclub/small boat harbor across the canal would fit perfectly
A character you could create is Milton, owner of a car dealer shop, hes from Brazil and went to Sunset City tryin' to make the good life, his cars are all over the place with a lot of people getting in trouble cuz of malfunction, in fact, a lot of his cars are missing parts he sells to the Black Market to make extra money. Just an idea...
Awesome episode. It might not be Biffa’s work, but you deserve some credit for the traffic improvements. I think the plans for a Little Havana and a World’s Fair/Expo site are excellent - my two cents for the fairgrounds are to include a TON of water features. That’s possibly the one thing all the photos you flashed up have in common, besides flags.
I think for the island you talked about isn't Cuba proper but a separate island (like guarma in rdr2), maybe a former island of Cuba sized by the US at somepoint (during the Cuban revolution or earlier) making it distinctly in the style of Cuba but still having distinctly American stuff there. As the series is set in 80's during the cold war the island could have been militarized by the US and installed a millitary/naval base as it is a stragically import position as it is positioned between sunset city and cuba.
I play with despawn disabled all the time and it’s completely possible to have a full flowing city. You just have to tackle the traffic issues as they begin before they get out of hand. I am currently playing on a map with multiple small town spread out throughout the map with a main central highway linking the whole map together. So far, my traffic flow has been a consistent 75-80% flow.
I've always thought it would be cool to see you collab with Biffa on traffic fixes. Not as a 'fix my city' vid, but as a stream where you could both talk about the fix and he could understand your rationales. You're both amazing creators. It would be fun. Maybe. :)
It would be interesting to see maybe a character from one of the neighborhoods you mentioned becoming a popular local artist with some outdoor public sculptures or wall paintings sprinkled around the city that represent their heritage.
I've found that the only way my city can survive despawning off is- weirdly enough- NOT making the lanes bigger, but making dedicated lanes! For example, instead of having 2 lanes go into one (14:55 and the big chonker intersection at 16:00), just having 1 lane per turn or enough lanes for traffic to move without crossing the lines in TM:PE moves things SUPER satisfyingly! Hope it helps :)
I think it was for Expo '86 that Vancouver built their Science World facility (big weird snow-globe looking building), which has been a pretty interesting part of their skyline since - and a cool school field trip. That may be an idea for ya.
I sometimes run with de-spawning off, but only once I get my transit in order - especially train traffic. Causes a lot of headaches otherwise.
playing without despawn is possible. The key is: outside connections.
Trains work wonders. And then put a toll booth on every entering highway to scare of the rest of them.
Wynwood wasn't always like you said. It was a poor neighborhood for decades, abandoned for years, businesses close, empty commercial lots... and because it was abandoned, kids came to tag the walls. a little over a decade ago, the tags start to attract some tourists, there was big ones ,few beautiful ones, but mostly ugly ones. Because tourists start to come, people did more tags, better, more beautiful, it attracted more and more tourists, some small businesses re-opened, and for few years now it became popular again, more businesses, they started to build residential buildings, parking, night clubs, and now it a busy neighborhood that becomes very expensive, with more and more street art, but still the west part of it close by the freeway are still abandoned. It became very touristic lately. Before it was a bad area you wanted to avoid, a lot of drug traffic there.
Send your city to Biffa 😍 the crossover we all need to see
A big thing, you need to do when playing with despawn on is, play with it from the beginning, and dont use the Trafficmanager yield stuff on intersections, otherwise some cars will never be able to clear a intersection because it gives way to everyone else and never can leave the intersection.
you absolutely need a scarface reference (set in miami), perhaps a custom blimp saying "the world is yours"
build like a ring road that acts like a northern bypass through the suburbs. And it could link at two points with the existing freeway. One interchange could be at the existing spaghetti junction near the fab arena, where it could use a little stretch of already built freeway, before then turning through the north end of the suburbs and back to the main freeway on the side of the city, thus completing a loop
King Buns reminds me of wimpy in the UK. It was the biggest British Fast food before mcdonalds and other american fast food came to the Uk. But now it has only a few places left now and is on its last leg.
I like the idea of that island being Cuba, having something story related within the relations between the US and Cuba in the 80s, the types of trafficking that was happening at the time can be very interesting!
IMO that monorail is clearly an expo relic. Somehow that needs to be placed and connected to the stadium. Some kind of iconic tower too would be typical.
I think that the heavily Cuban influenced area could be called Nuevo Camagüey, with many from the Mariel Boat lift or Cubans from other parts of the state migrating. There could also be some newly opened parks in the early 1980s, like there was in IRL Miami
I usually have despawning disabled in my city. The thing that really makes the traffic crazy is the 'more realistic parking AI' in TM:PE. I am a transport engineer by day though.
The little island off Sunset city, which you said could be Cuba could also be inspired by the Bahamas. It is just an hour flight from Miami. You could experiment with small islands aswell, and it could be a very touristy place for the citizens of Sunset city. could could develop a tiny airport for it which is something that hasn't been done much is the CS community. Would be a cool build for sure if you are interested in doing it.
Never even knew that you could disable despawns of traffic... Speaking of traffic, One thing I have always loved seeing people do is creating a event on the roads (Broken down vehicle, Roll over, Road Repairs, Ect) it brings a random section of road to life.
You're the best cities skylines youtuber! I love the lore!
I think adding a detective ( idk the name nor the backstory ) that is investigating mike or something
I always disable despawning.
I also try to avoid any form of public transport as a bit of a challenge. I don't get many big traffic issues. I fix them using a mix of proper lane uses, signal timing, and road layouts.
I live near Miami little Havana has alot if Hispanic feel and wynwood is a neighborhood that is just north of downtown that has art on each building mostly warehousesart deco shops and cafes and art galleries. I would recommend doing a street view to get the feel of the area but it's a big tourist Hotspot.
Hi ! for the neighborhood that looks like winwood we could create a street artist who does giant installations and street art in the neighborhood. it could become really popular and have an exhibition in a museum eventually. but he does not forget the neighborhood where he grew up
My favourite part of the game is keeping the traffic flowing - great vid but yea it’s not a true city in my games unless you turn off the despawing, just so much fun managing the traffic
On a quick wiki search: Cuba may be derived from the Taíno words "cuboa" or "coabana".
Thus, for the island itself, I'd propose "Taíno" in recognition of that native history.
Then, for its capital and our local enclave - Havana is considered to be named after a Taíno cacique (chief) named Habaguanex.
You can find a list of famous Taíno people on Wikipedia (who may have hailed from Puerto Rico or elsewhere, not just Cuba), but a selection of my favorites to name a city after are Brizuela, Loquillo, & Majagua.
Just some of my picks that would have a similar ring or cadence to "Cuba" & "Havana".
Disabeling Despawning is fives nice insights into the chokepoints
*Miguel Correa*
Miguel Correa, a man born in Colombia. His father? A notorious criminal with ties to the Escobars. Soon after Miguel’s birth he and his family rushed to find home somewhere far away from the Colombian mafia. The Correas found home in Cuba, aka little Cuba in a calm estate near the highway. Here, Miguel was quick to follow his fathers footsteps. Starting with shoplifting and pickpocketing he soon transitioned into a gang - Ojos llorosos (teary eyed.) The gang name hints to the tatoo that is mandatory for all gang members, a tear next to the right eye.
Miguel climbed in the criminal hierarchy and found himself at the top. Here he “sorts things out” with a group of goons. After failing to pay of a hefty debt Migu met the infamous Mike Burgansy…
This is just a thought and I would love to someway help and expand the Sunset City storyline!
That arterial road with that level train crossing right next to the new intersection should definitely be an underpass, there's no way realistically a city would leave it as a level crossing when it connects right next to a highway junction because traffic waiting for the trains would back up onto the highway
You should add a character called, Sonya Vercetti. Daughter of the late Tommy Vercetti (from GTA) (I know GTA Vice City takes place in the 80s, but it wouldn’t hurt to push those events at least 2 decades back and create our own story).
Sonya Vercetti could be a famous movie superstar, CEO of a gigantic movie/music studio (something like Disney and Warner Bros.). She's also the creator of big-time TV show, Star Sight (a mix of Miami Vice and Baywatch). She can even have some connections to Mobs/Mafias around the city due to her dad being Tommy Vercetti. And to make it interesting she could have something to do with Mike's mess he's in with the mob.
Biffa can sort your traffic troubles 😂
13:55. yeah, i have made a city with around 86% traffic with despawning disabled. my main traffic is in my trains not my vehicle traffic.
Maybe not Cuba itself, perhaps the island is a small Havana-esque city under the jurisdiction of Cuba. Lore-wise it could be a Spanish fort-turned-city built between Seminole and the Cuban main island.
You should do a collab with City Planner Plays for your traffic fixes 😊
Two Dollars: 'widening roads to increase the traffic flow'. Me: ' but wider roads means more traffic 0:
So glad I found this series but also bummed that I've caught up to the uploads and have to wait week to week 😭
I usually build my cities without despawning, it's definitely possible but the highway to urban road intersections are always the chokepoint unless you really mess up. You might want to disincentivise people turning off the middle highway intersection into to the cbd and only allow the cbd to enter onto the highway, while leaving two way access for the residential neighborhood. It's pretty obvious the issue is two highway exits sending traffic through the cbd that have to cross each other's right of way to get where they want to. You can see it in the major roads around that GTA vice city building... Looks great though
Turning respawning off in a city not designed for it can be very hard, but if possible, reducing the amount of intersections on a main arterial road can be very beneficial for speeding up car traffic. Roundabouts are also a good alternative to intersections but they have to be placed away from any other traffic lights or intersections. These requires a lot of demolitions though. I've personally never been able to fix a city, only design it from the start.
Also roundabouts are more European, smart traffic light intersections are a good replacement
ahhh goin for that cpp style thumbnail, I love it!
In little Havana you should do something with the Cuban Mafia
I don’t know how you do this but this is amazing
I know this is based on Miami but after watching the traffic jams, a roundabout can't hurt.
19:26 there are actually some vanilla rubble props, could be good
17:58 Little Havana should have a mafia leader named Rebecca Hernandez. She became the mafia leader when her husband Christian Hernandez die from a CIA raid. She lived through the raid and has kept the "family business" alive.
seeing as how it’s based on 80’s Miami, I’d love to see a nod to Scarface or Miami Vice…
maybe with Tony Montana’s (I’ll call him Tommy California for copyright reasons) mansion on the border between the rich residential area and the everglades, or maybe the Vice speedboat parked in the downtown harbor
Oh you want to turn off despawning? This could be a Biffa collaboration waiting to happen.
Seeing as this is something that has not been adressed in the series at all so far, (maybe in livestreams I am not sure) the expo could be something about power generation. The latest breakthroughs in nuclear power generation etc.
Repurposing a world's fair in the 1980's would have probably been built in the 1950's. Modernist, Brutalist, . The Phillips Pavilion, State Pavilion Towers, a big structure like the Canada Palace from the '86 expo in Vancouver. Possibly a big fountain like the International Fountain from the Seattle World Fair.
lets go another sunset city episode weekends gonna be good now
i think for one of the leftover infrastructure from the world expo could be a floating king buns restaurant. in the 1980s, mcdonalds build a floating mcdonalds for the worlds fair in vancouver. i think adding one in sunset city wiuld be really cool.
I also love Messi, one of the greatest football players
I only play with despawning off, I love fixing the traffic( annoying as the ai can be) Its the main part of the enjoyment I get from the game