I Had to Quit a Popular Music Site…
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- Опубліковано 6 лис 2023
- Venting some thoughts on LastFM, and why it was toxic for my enjoyment of music. AOTY, RYM, whatever you're on, it's hard to lose focus and have it become more about the STATS than the music.
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No, not UA-cam Something else...
Anyone else feel me on this one? Tell me your experiences!!
Don’t freak us out like that! 😆 Oh, how ya doing?
I had a feeling it wasn't UA-cam... I figured if you ever were to stop altogether, you'd upload it to ARTV and not Beyond ARTV.
Ive started going on AOTY. I like being able to write a couple paragraphs, give my 2 cents and a rating. But I've always avoided Last Fm. Not even because I knew this was a thing that could happen, but more that I felt adding another site and app that I'd have to log into and give data to that looked like it hasn't been updated in so long wasn't my thing. Do I sometimes go on discord servers and lament that I can't use the lastfm bot that everyone else is to compare music taste and stuff? Sure! But then again the site never appealed to me, and I'm sure if it did I'd be as scrobble devoted as you got if not twice as bad. Personally in fact I had noticed I was kind of getting too invested with the AOTY reviews so I basically have to keep it too going to whatever album I'm looking for putting in my 2 paragraphs, rating it, and leaving before a single fuck can be given about what others are saying. It's allowed me to keep going with it as the fun outlet it is without it having any negative effect on my day. I still want to eventually find a good platform for it and just write little articles on anything that piques my interest.
Also I think the handheld mic was cool. The sound was good and it felt very comfortable and casual.
literally had me for a sec :(@@georgeprice4212
honestly, so happy to see someone who does content talking about this, it's really refreshing. not just the typical influencer saying "don't forget to drink water" while scrolling, no you're describing the addiction behind social media. thank you for using your platform for good! i deleted so many social medias in recent years because of this
Thank you Rachel! 😎
As someone with ADHD and a few OCD symptoms myself, this really hit home for me. It's too easy for me to forget that listening to music (or even making music) is fun, but not my entire identity as a person. If music becomes my primary source for fulfillment, there's definitely something in my life I've been neglecting that I shouldn't be lol
I can definitely see the thing about being too focused on scores, but I do have a lot of love for AOTY bc of how it helps me organize what music I’ve listened to and expose myself to lots of music I end up loving. I can see why those types of sites aren’t for everyone though :)
Maaaaan I feel ya hard. I stayed away from stuff like FM and RYM because I knew if I fell down that rabbit hole I'd never get out. To me it gamifies the act of listening to music and if you start listening to music just to up your stats on an app or site then that's not fair to yourself OR the music. Glad to hear you're enjoying yourself again!
Also, the audio sounds great on my earbuds. And hey microphone holding is so in rn 😎
It's the natural progression from the mic drop cliche of the early 2020's
Appreciate you OP!
I’m burnt out from Instagram. Completely different issue and I know you relate since you left social media a while ago which you referenced here. I’m taking a long social media break from there and it’s helping.
I miss connecting with music as one of my special interests. I’ve had the idea to make a video about music I’ve enjoyed lately but then my inner critic gets the best of me and I shut down and don’t do it. I just recently quit my job and am deep in autistic / adhd burnout so it’s challenging for me to focus on new music at this time.
I’m hoping that checking out some of your Spotify playlists will help! I’ve really loved Spotify but I wouldn’t use any tools beyond that because I can see how my ocd would latch onto being hyper organized / perfectionistic if I did.
So glad you figured out what you need for yourself and are making values aligned decisions that make you feel better ❤
I have a friend who’s obsessed with his scrobbles and it makes me not want to join LastFM
not related to lastfm or the other sites but i have been noticing lots of people freaking out lately over having to "fix" their spotify wrapped. they stream songs/artists they want in their top 5 throughout the night on low volume and for what?? its ridiculous how we let this stuff affect our own enjoyment of music
That’s actually fucked
This title scared the hell out of me, so relieved that you’re not quitting UA-cam! Anyway I totally get what you mean, I can’t enjoy music at all if I’m focused on something like that so I stick to just Spotify or UA-cam
This is crazy because literally almost everything you said about this is very true to me. I love the website but I’ve noticed it takes over how I’ve been listening to music. I’ve been only listening to CDs in the car to help distance myself from cataloging everything I hear. Really interesting to hear your thoughts on this! I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone talk about it this straightforward. Keep it up!
Istg SpongeBob has time cards for everything.
I've been using the free version of Last FM for a little over two years now and it's fine, I guess? I look forward to the weekly reports and like to check my scrobbles if I'm on my computer sometimes, but I'm not super obsessed about it. It does not have some annoying quirks, like counting Twitter videos as scrobbles and counting plays twice on Spotify mobile. But so far it's been kinda fun.
Wouldn't be too heartbroken if I had to quit for some reason though.
But overall I do like Spotify Wrapped and other things that analyze my music taste. Kinda feeds my narcissism. 😁
I love your Spotify playlists! Especially your best songs by year playlists. That way I can see if I've missed out on anything!
I have OCD and listen to music every day and move to it myself, I can relate and attest on getting stuck distracted, especially with not connecting to and enjoying the music.
Usually when last fm shits the bed for me I will disconnect and reconnect to the app and after a couple hours it will eventually log all my plays in that it missed, I get fixating on it too much though, I've been there, but I dont think too much about anymore and just use it as a means to log all of my plays.
A couple months ago my Facebook account got hacked and I couldn't get it back. And to no surprise Facebook was absolutely zero help so I decided to not make another one. At first it felt weird since I've had it since 08, but now I have more time for UA-cam, reading, and other hobbies and I'm enjoying the peace and only missing the memes.
Good for you!! Stay at it
I might be in the minority here and it might seem a bit extreme, but over the past two years I’ve been incredibly addicted creating Spotify playlists comprised of the evolution of a genre from its birth up until modern day. Whether it’s, alternative rock, nu metal, post-punk, progressive rock, etc. I’ve carefully and thoroughly arranged every song/album that dropped in chronological order by either month originally released or month originally recorded that specific year. I can also greatly relate to you that I also have ADHD as well as ADD. And yes, although I’m very passionate about my playlists, they take up a tremendous amount of time to make and I often sometimes find myself staying up well into the night crafting these beasts. It’s like I’m determined to make my own radio stations lol
Same here, except i just make playlists of my very favorite songs (ones i don't have on albums, since i collect cd's and rip them to my phone)... so i have to order everything perfectly with my rules, having OCD and probably ADD. I can lose hours to creating my playlists and often i just obsessively listen to music to find certain songs to fit on my lists. It can be very frustrating with mental disorders like that.
Oh man! I feel that! Super awesome concept for a playlist
I'm building a music video playlist for my channel, so I will gladly dig through your picks to finds new artists.
I totally feel ya about social media! I've been thinking of dropping out myself lately. Lol. Audio sounds great, btw:)
Same happened to me but I noticed this very early. I'm still obsess with stats (like wanting to make an specific song my most played song of this year) but not as much as before like I have to listen to this song 10 thousand times to make it the most played. As an example of this summer I tried to make Shake It Off the most played song beating High Hopes but it was more playing it for make it top 1 (though it was very succesful). And it's not that I hate the song but I find more fun just listening what I want to listen instead of listening to a song only for make it the most played one by scrobbles.
I'm not leaving the site but I'll be trying to enjoy more rather than just listening for stats. Because it's fun to know how many times I've listened to a song. But I'm definetely stepping out of going daily and focusing on making these specific stats. To me the only stats that matter are the end of the year summary (like Spotify Wrapped) because it's cool to see and be shocked at my most listened music (which sometimes it ends up being very shocking). Aside of that, I'll be enjoying music because I love it, not for stats.
I guess I don't have an addictive personality in that way. I use Last FM as a tool, especially for the 6 months and year-end lists and also if I heard a song on a playlist but wasn't sure what it was so I can log into Last FM and it will tell me. I have been using it for years but I do have some years were it is patchy and one year, it actually double counted. So I take it all with a pinch of salt now. But overall the trends of my all-time lists I am happy with.
As for RYM just joined last year and I have been using it for a project to listen to albums from the past where I have made album lists from 1980-1992 and a massive 2023 one. I have listened to over 2500 albums this year nearly all in full. This though means my year-end Last Fm and Spotify are now so messed up but you can't have everything. This whole project is to keep me away from news and social media so for that purpose it was well spent time. :)
for me, i think the beauty of lastfm is knowing that im listening to whatever i feel like and therefore my scrobbles are going to be accurate. i dont ever listen to music to boost my scrobble count, in fact sometimes while im driving (where 80% of my music listening happens) sometimes ill call a friend or listen to a podcast specifically to take a break from listening to music. i just like seeing the stats of what im listening to. yes, sometimes im tempted to listen to something to influence those statistics to be more varied, but then i remember that thats stupid and i should just listen to what i feel like. if yhat means listening to the new Porter Robinson song 10 times in a row, then that's what ill do.
I joined last fm in January 2020 and I wouldn't say it's affected me where I don't enjoy the music as much as before, at least not to a significant degree but I do think like you that I check it too often & have become more obsessed with the numbers, comparing my library to others
I'm glad you realized that it affected you negatively and feel better now, I reflect on this pretty frequently as well and it's probably not an uncommon issue for other users
my big problem out of it is that I'm not able to have stats for my CDs, vinyl, or my Smart TV listening, plus the fact that there's so many different titles for the same song across multiple albums across multiple services lol
I get your feeling. I personally do like to look at the stats and I'm on the one you mentioned, not pro tho. This did push me to listen to more music, and though knowing that I don't have as many minutes of playing as the normal listener, I did put as a goal to listen to more music this year, as I wanted to listen to more albums and expand my music taste a little bit more.
Gotta say that I do kinda play in the "what I would like my stats to look like" but I do it mostly when a certain artist overtakes my lists when I feel is not representative of what I've been actually listenting too.
Fr it pissess me off when an artist that I stopped listening in months still overtakes my stats. Like, I moved on idk what else I gotta do. And it's not that I was obsessed with them at a time. Idk, that's the only time were I would try to trick those numbers. If not I just look at then casually, for now. Like yeah, I kinda play a little bit with it when I don't want those numbers to look a certain way, but by the end of the year I just let faith decide and for Spotify to surprise me, which they always do and why I did made an account on Last f.m.
I feel this big time. While I don't really browse the site much, I obsess over making sure my listens are scrobbled (especially for my yearly album tierlist) I have spent tons of time manually putting stuff in, tons of times where I have been listening to vinyl and I had the stuff on spotify playing silently in tandem LOL
All hail the Algorithm
I Will say i like seeing the amount of music I listen too but I’ve been focused more on the music and whether or not I like it rather than what others are saying. But my schedule allows me to listen to music fairly constantly
hey jon, i reckon its a real OCD thing....i suffer from similar things....like making an assignment perfect even after submission just for to satisfy me...which wastes a lot of time
I have manually scrobbled as well its mad 😂
Mic setup sounds clean man. I used to put a lot more into my RYM than I do now but I do try to keep my listening log active via ratings and host my top 50s every year on there still. It does feel better to reel back a little on there.
I was thinking the same thing about the mic set up.
I have always tried to avoid anything related to logging music for these reasons, for me music is something that I need to enjoy in the moment and I want to focus my time on it, building playlists etc from it which is great.
I am an avid film watcher, I am studying a film degree, and use Letterboxd quite frequently, however I try to use it simply as a diary, rather than the social aspect. Whenever I watch films I switch off my phone to avoid distractions as a precaution as well so I can give it my full attention and get the most enjoyment out of it. I think as soon as an app becomes a distraction rather than a tool to help me keep track, then it's not worth it for me.
That being said, that's just my opinion, can completely understand what you're saying.
Wow! I didn't even know Last FM still existed... I recall using them as an Internet radio a long time ago & that's it.
I use RYM mostly to keep record of what I have heard and whether I have liked it or not. I will admit I like to see how others feel about the same album via reading reviews
It’s ok Jon ,I was finding myself constantly bashing myself because I wasn’t listening to as much as I did during a year, idk why I just want to have the most listened minutes out of my friend group, when I realized I wasn’t it wasn’t because I was no longer the music guy it, it actually made me realize that I actually really just deep listen , while my friends just puts shit on in the background
I lost almost a whole month of listens cause their servers stopped tracking
you lost me at playlist folders. i had totally missed this update!! omg, organization nerd activated!!
I'm sometimes surprised to hear LastFM is still around at all, honestly.
The only time i really pay attention my song play count is Spotify wrapped. Plus i lately i reallt only listen to a few bands (Dance Gavin Dance, Wolf & Bear, and Paramore) so i kind of have an idea what my listen history. I just prefer to enjoy the music.
Omg I totally forgot about last FM. I actually used it a lot back around 2005-2006 with Winamp. I definitely remember purposely playing certainly songs or artists to make sure it stayed somewhat how I liked 😆 you’re def better off without it and the added stress.
Here are my Top 30 Bands Played on Spotify from January 1-October 31.
1. Bad Religion
2. The Kinks
3. Green Day
4. The Rolling Stones
5. Cannibal Corpse
6. Megadeth
7. The Moody Blues
8. Black Sabbath
9. The Who
10. Depeche Mode
11. Duran Duran
12. The Cure
13. All Time Low
14. The Beatles
15. Alice Cooper
16. Motorhead
17. Rise Against
18. ACDC
19. Elvis
20. Saxon
21. Judas Priest
22. Lynyrd Skynyrd
23. Sum 41
24. Opeth
25. Avenged Sevenfold
26. Linkin Park
27. Metallica
28. Blink 182
29. The Jam
30. The Byrds
Happy about my top 30 this year. Spotify Wrapped will be coming by December, can't wait to see what it is like. Oh and I'll be updating my Spotify stats at the end of November as well. I finally have my information for 2023, so I check back my stats from a couple of years ago.
I've heard similar descriptions of LastFM. Glad to say I never got around to ever joining.
This was me with Xbox achievements and gamerscore. I have always known that they are pointless numbers but something in my brain made me really care about them for some reason.
Now with the game console industry moving more and more away from physical media and more towards always online DRM, I have been spending more time with my PC and modding instead and I think I have almost completely stopped caving into that dumb addiction and can go back to just enjoying gameplay like I used to.
I joined lastfm a couple of years ago as a result of your 'accurate' Wrapped video, although I don't visit it often. I've always thought RYM was kind of obnoxious but recently joined AOTY and really enjoy it.
Regarding the outro, I gotta say, I'm not a big fan of you holding your microphone, I think it looks a little pretentious regardless of who's holding it. Also it scared me a second because it reminded me of your Gorillaz review so I thought you broke your arm again 😂
I just watched the video where AI ranks ya top 10 2000's bands and then I saw this, worried I would not be ready (for this jelly)
I feel called out😭
👍
He has problem. What he is doing is just a quick fix.
I know that John.
The early days of last fm were so toxic. Metalheads would come to my profile and leave hate because I listened to emo bands.
*promo sm*
Hm...I think I might be trying Stats FM. I'm curious.
Also the audio is good, though I'm not using any kind of headphones or buds.