knottheory79220 I picked up an ar10 308 20inch from palmetto a few months back. Being poor I waited for sales to save as much as I could. I got the upper, and lower separately, buying them separately cost me right at $700.00. Maybe I got lucky, but this thing is a nail driver at 800m. I’d love to do a few upgrades, and probably will swap the fire control group, and the stock as I get the extra cash. I did put a primary arms 4-14 with the acss recital on is that was close to $300.00 so I’m in to the weapon $$1000.00. Still that’s not bad for a solid 800m weapon in my opinion.
Let me start by saying great video and thanks for sharing it. I have two PA-10s in 308 both have the 18 inch barrels as well. One has the extended length buffer tube (1 inch) with a H3 buffer using a 308 buffer spring. Before it had the short one and I was having the bcg crash into to receiver threads. And bolt bounce which caused jamming issues, since changing to what I have now all problems are gone runs flawless and it has a primary arms 18x50 acss scope. My other one has a rifle stock on it and I use a 308 rifle buffer (different than a 5.56 rifle buffer) and a 308 spring no issues at all both are gen 2 the first has a mlok rail the other has round mid length hand guards.
Had two of their first generations.........built an Aero M5 using their Bolt Carrier group and 18 inch barrel.........works like a champ............DPMS pattern
Exactly. You can create one of these for every scenario. And all the while be saving up for something like Daniel Defense or the XM7. Whatever floats your boat.
PSA was my first AR build. I have since moved on to Aero and BCM. But, a few thousand rounds and years later, I still really enjoy and am still really happy with my 16" PSA rifle.
Psa lowers on all my builds with no issues. Hell, the FN/PSA CHF barrels are great, I paid way more for BCM back in the day. That rifle still gets it though, it’s Moa. I’m sure KAC is better, but DD is not. Shoot the rounds.
I bought a 20 inch blemish rifle for Christmas. $769.95. Bought a Larue straight bow two stage trigger. A Larue pistol grip. A LMT muzzle brake. A strike industries extended latch on charging handle and hand guard grip panels from black slate industries. Picked up a B 5 Precision stock off of my local gun forum. Went with a Arken SH4 6-24x50 rifle scope. Went to the range and shot some of my reloads. Could not believe how accurate this gun is. My reloads were using Sierra 165 grain hpbt bullets with IMR4895. Brass was mixed head stamped military brass. Sub moa groups. I was using a Versa-pod bipod. Mine came with a adjustable gas block. Recoil was not bad at all. I had the same trigger as yours. And installed it in one of my AR15’s.
I got the 20" upper with this system, I run mainly the heavier 180gr SP stuff from federal which has considerably more gas and recoil than the 145-150gr Nato ammo. Very solid and smooth shooter. It does have recoil, but not as much as you would think. My one complaint was it shipped with the wrong buffer and spring. I know for a fact it will cycle sharply or fail to engage the bolt hold open without both the proper spring and buffer because this system does not use a carbine buffer spring. After going back and forth with customer service providing pictures, they sent me the proper parts and the issue was resolved without having to mail it to them. I have used it to smack steel and put some meat on the table.
I love my gen 3 PA10. You get a lot of good quality for the money. put a primary arms ACSS 4-14x, a mag pull bipod, and a canted at red dot. On a windy day I was getting 1.5 to 2 inch groups with 168 grain BTHP
..have had the g2 for 4 years now, by far the most cost effective .308 battle rifle available, after break in at 200-300 rounds and upgrading the trigger to a national match geissele trigger, consistently get around .75 MOA with 168gr or 175gr match rounds. I do not find this rifle to recoil anymore than any other comparable .308 battle rifle. For cost, accuracy, reliability, handiness/lightweight it is a lot of value for the money. It is easily my favorite .308 from someone who shoots a lot of .308 rifles..M1A, PTR-91, Galil .308, SCAR-H, DPMS, S&W AR10. The SCAR-H beats it in handiness and low felt recoil but at almost 3x the cost.
I built a gun using PSA 10 upper and lower, but used rifle length gas system, adjustable gas block, and a standard rifle buffer tube with Magpul MOE Rifle stock, which allows for H3 buffer and proper AR10 recoil spring, it is a very soft shooting gun.
All my PSA equipment has been serviceable and accurate and so far enduring as in high round count 2 uppers and one lower has been a good purchase for me
The more I shoot AR platforms the more I prefer the A1/A2 stocks with rifle buffers even on midlength gas systems. Thank you for breaking down the info about the buffers, I found the recoil with rifle buffers more pleasant, now I know a little more as to why.
Hi Chris, Thanks for another review. BTW, the S&W M&P-10 uses the M4-type buffer length and the longer receiver extension/buffer tube and have 5R rifling as standard. In mine, I am getting MOA with very nearly AR-15 recoil in a lightweight package, but it is loud, and lots of aftermarket parts went into it. I put on VG6 Gamma 308 muzzle brake (rises upward less than the vaunted Precision Armament M4-72 brake I tried first), a JPE adjustable gas block, a Tubb flat 308 recoil/buffer spring, a Spikes tungsten powder T2 M4-length buffer, a Midwest Free float handguard, a POF roller cam pin, a Geisselle SSAE, a 10% extra power hammer spring, a Leupold VX6 2-12x42 Ballistic Firedot reticle in an Aero Precision ultralight Mount, a V7 aluminum port cover, a V7 aluminum forward assist, an aluminum castle nut, a Radian ambi 45d safety, Radian SD charging handle, a Troy rear of receiver sling mount, and some key points of contact I carefully polished. I also threw in a DPMS enhanced extractor with the elastomer spring. The rifle is reliable and I notice the buffer barely kisses the rear end of its travel, but is 100% reliable with everything, although the very cheapest steel-cased ammunition won’t lock open sometimes, but does still feed100%. I only use Magpul or Lancer magazines. It is only on the 2nd smallest setting on the clamp-on gas block (I know you prefer pinned). It’s recoil is so negligible it is hard to believe it really is an 18” 308. I have heard even better accuracy results from the newer and very cheap 16” Sport variants and they might be less over-gassed. I never had any problems before all the mods, but I cannot just leave things alone! I’m “touched” that way! Lol Why not try these out, as they are army least as prolific, have nearly fully ambi controls and a few engineering choices you like?
Got the Gen 3 lower for 250 the 308 20 in. upper 550 this week, lower was 100 higher on PSA website the upper was out of stock so i dont know the the price, i bought at local shop
Someone posted on a PSA Facebook community that last year around this time a lower could be found on their website for $150, wish i was gun nut back then
I just paid $1,099 today for the PSA AR-10GEN3. I kept looking and looking but couldn’t find anything else out there. With Biden/Harris, I expect the situation to be dire for quite a while. Hopefully I can find a decent supply of .308/7.62x51 ammo🤷🏿♂️
I have the Gen 2 and it has the longer buffer tube extension with a standard H buffer. Was thinking of adding a couple more T weights to make it an H3 buffer and soften the recoil. I will try H2 first and move my way up to make sure it works reliably. Great video. Love the in-depth analysis of the products on this channel. Thanks
I had to lap the barrel on mine. Barrel was very tite at the gas block. After the lap and a very good clean up. 5 168 gr. A max in one hole at 100 yards.
As always a great review sir I must say this man is as professional as one can be. No nonsense, straight to the point. You know as the review goes forward that you will be given the facts on the weapon and it's true performance. Good or bad. As well as the breakdown of parts and quality of said parts. I for one look forward to this man's reviews, for I know that I can watch a review of a firearm. Take that firearm out and test fire it. And As of yet, I have never been disappointed in what his reviews have said, and how that weapon functions. It has at times landed me in the dog house with my other half, when that firearm lands in my gun rack. Ha, Ha, Ha. Again thank you sir for your straight forward and truthful reviews. God Bless you and yours.
Currently building one of these. Waiting on a stripped PA-10 Gen 3 lower to get in stock so I can order and be in business! Looking forward to seeing how well this bad boy shoots for me.
Having had neck surgery, recoil has become a big deal. There's no way I'd put a can on that particular configuration where the gas block is not adjustable and the shorter buffer is installed. I think a 20" barrel with a rifle length system is a good starting point along with some other mods. Thanks for taking the time.
Best value AR308. I put the PSA rifle tube and buffer on both of my PSA 308s and it makes a huge difference in recoil. Just got some adjustable gas blocks but haven't installed them yet.
I wound up changing the reciever extension and recoil system for Vseven's and it helped out with recoil tremendously. Also a two chamber brake probably aided in recoil mitigation, the Vseven buffer tube, enhanced H3 buffer, and teflon coated spring really smoothed out the mechanics of the gun overall and helped out with significantly faster follow up shots.
I got a G3 lower for $149 on sale last year. And around $500 for the G3 adjustable gas block upper with 18" stainless. Something that may be a problem/decrease the accuracy is the gas block is probably whacking the hand guard. I have not played with the adjustment as it is a soft shooter and has fired every type of ammo with no problems. I do have the shorter buffer. I have some 5.4oz 9mm buffers. Haven't stretched it out yet. I did swap in the EPT PSA 2 stage trigger. I installed 2 in 2 different rifles. I used a light weight Wolf connector, and trigger spring. 1st stage is almost non existent. 2nd is at 2.25lbs.
Im impressed with mine but youre right about the recoil it kicks like a mule. A 3 chambered muzzle break helped mine to mellow out a bit and theres a geissele g2s in it. Nice and inexpensive but Ive gotten 2 moa ish out of it new using cheap pmc bronze ammo
I have a Gen 2 and a Gen 3 PA10 18" and the 12.5" had a tight chamber on the 12.5 PSA took it back and replaced the barrel all running 100% and very accurate the 12.5 loves running suppressed I do recommend a heavy buffer for either tho
You can replace the buffer with a Odin’s adjustable AR10 buffer to get 4.6 ounces of buffer weight. Order an extra tungsten weight when you order and use two tungsten weights instead of one tungsten and one steel and you get 5.47 ounces(one the high side of H3). Make sure you order the AR10 adjustable buffer(the short one) and not the longer AR15 adjustable buffer. You would just have to experiment to see how much weight you can use and still cycle reliably.
I have the 18" nitride barrel. Not sure how different they shoot from the SS barrels. I really recommend a muzzle brake with this rifle as well as an aftermarket trigger. I would love a fixed stock but for storage reasons need to keep the collapsible stock. By the way, these have sold for as low as $600 on sale.
Very interesting on the buffer and I'm glad you addressed it. My M&P10 kicks like a mule as well. I'm by no means a genius on this stuff. I put a very large muzzle brake on it but haven't fired it since. So if one bought an AR10 extension with the H3 buffer and replaced, would that reduce the kick quite a bit?
Buy these separately upper and lower i got mine for 629 . And had gobs of cash left over for good glass sweet triggers and charging handles and a muzzlebrake .
I have a PA10 Gen 3, and it came with a collapsible stock. I plan to replace it with an A2 rifle stock and buffer, mainly because I prefer the fixed stock, but I'm thinking maybe by replacing the M4 buffer/tube with the A2 buffer/tube, it may have a positive effect on recoil. We'll see.
Would you consider the use of a short heavy buffer with tungsten in a stainless body weighing 5.4-5.6 oz. in this rifle? I see Heavy Buffers and KAW Valley offer them. The KAW is way cheaper. Also Heavy Buffers recommends the use of their matching spring. If you like it, I'm going to buy the KAW because it claims the same specs and can be had for 44.95 instead of the 136.99 for the Heavy Buffers brand. I was also looking at using the Heavy buffers spring. Heavy Buffers also sells them for the Sig 716. Thevy don't seem to like the fact wire spring. Being an engine builder, that includes drag racing and being into matching the correct cams, compression, pushrod lengths, valve spring installed height, etc. I'm into hot rodding my rifle to perform at its peak in the same way. Thanks for teaching me, cant easily find this information anywhere else.
the pistol grip isn't seated correctly, you can see a bit of the takedown pin spring peaking out from the junction between the receiver and grip. maybe the grip beaver tail needs to be filed down a little bit.
So I've been passing up this gun because the website says "it weighs 10 pounds" with no elaboration. Your comment of "about 8 lbs" got me searching, and another review said it weighed 10lb with a nominal Leupold scope, Burris (heavy!) mount, and a Vickers sling. Take away that weight and you're back to "about 8 lb" unloaded. That's pretty much par for this AR genre. PSA might just need to weigh their guns naked, unloaded, and be transparent about them even if they're heavy. This one's back on my radar. Like, you don't have to hide anything, PSA... you did alright lol.
Excellent review. I noticed in the video that the empty cartridges are thrown forward to around 2 o'clock. Seems over-gassed, I think you mentioned that too. Do you think that an adjustable gas block, with proper tuning, would improve the felt recoil? PSA do sell some versions with an adjustable gas system.
Chris! Love the channel. You got to check out railscales and get us a discount for those. The G10 is legendary status. I also think they're anchor and carve are awesome. At the same time I will check out Manta.
Gen 2 with a good muzzle brake . Up graded to the better charge handle . Blue Lazer for up close and personal. Vortex scope. For 1000 yards . What else could a girl want.
Question if your stated Gen 3 upper is a Gen 2 or a Gen 3? Thought all Gen 3s had Adjustable gas block? My Gen 2 lower has a slightly longer buffer tube and contained a standard carbine length buffer labeled as ‘H’. Over-gassed and somewhat erratic performance until I changed to a Spikes Tactical T3 carbine length buffer and a Tubbs 308 Flat wire buffer spring. On my Gen 2 free floated upper, had to file down the barrel nut due to interference of nut with the gas tube. Now my Gen 2 PA10 performs as desired and expected. Might change out the non-adjustable Gas Block to an adjustable Gas Block at some point as a refinement/enhancement. Overall, I’ve been pleased with my PSA experiences as a value focused supplier.
Every time you said , quote/unquote, this is alot of rifle for about $1000 I got warm fuzzies cause I got mine during PSA's Shot Show online sale. Would you believe $549 for a complete PA-10 G3 to my FFL?
I would like to get my hands on one of these to see if the A5 buffer tube would work with a carbine H3 buffer. Looks like it would, and that'd get rid of the short buffer.
If you guys had the gun bagged front and back, you would have been hitting 1 inch groups with premium ammunition. I get 1.25 inch with Freedom Munitions PA-10 Gen 3 . 20" I paid $700 on Black Friday
Great review. Chris. I was wondering where that range is on the video. I live by Spring Guns And Ammo on Spring Cypress. Actually closer to 99 and Gosling area. I usually drive out to Van Rd. Outdoor range. Just curious.. Thanks for the review. PA 10 Gen 3 is my future rifle buy for 2022 .
I disagree with this as a building rifle PA 10s are not compatible with a lot of aftermarket parts that are “DPMS” pattern ,the take down pins and bolt catch are all proprietary. Magpul bad levers will not work on them nor will the phase 5 308 bad lever knock off. They do shoot way softer after a good muzzle break and an adjustable gas block.
As per usual another great video from small arms solutions! Sadly though, what makes the PSA so attractive other than the quality of the build is the price point. PSA in their wisdom has decided to raise their prices for no reason other than corporate greed. I will be taking my future business to other companies like Aero who have maintained A consistent & reasonable price point.
Is this a DpMs pattern rifle? I was going to drop 300 on a lantac bcg but its dmps pattern and I need to know if it will fit. Everytime I try psa website robot answers and don't understand my question
I need to look into changing out the buffer tube, and buffer. I did get the adjustable gas block and Geissele Super Semi-Automatic Enhanced (SSA-E) Trigger with the rifle. Once I get the buffer up to mil spec, I'll be happy even if I don't need it. I'm also thinking about running a strike industries flat spring. Is this something you would do if you had it?
Chris PSA offers an AR10 kit in a full size rifle 20" barrel and full A2 style stock. How do you think it would fair against this model recoil and accuracy wise? I'm considering getting one but swapping out the A2 stock for an A1 for a better check weld. Any other suggestions you may have are aprchiated. Thanks and great review.
Great review. If you were to chage to two tungsten weights would that make it a lot better weapon? Or would an entire buffer tube package be needed? Thx!
I put a h3 buffer and it slowed the cycle speed to about perfect. I also had to put 1 quarter down the buffer tube to stop the bolt carrier from over traveling and hitting the receiver extension.
I have many cases of surplus 7.62x51 ammo (various countries, quality ammo) which shoots flawlessly in my M1a (both of them). I have never seen an AR-10 that will digest and accurately shoot surplus 7.62x51, but I have not been around many of the new AR-10s (my experience is 10-12 years old, so I would hope there has been some improvement in the platform, industry wide. I am tempted with the PAR-10, as I have MANY PSA AR-15 kits built and love them.
Lmao 😂 Chris screaming “OWE” after the shooting portion
The PSA branded AR 10s are SPECTACULAR. PERIOD. They are as good as ANY AR 10 costing $2000 plus.
Thank you for breaking down the buffer differences for those who aren’t with all the technical stuff.
If given the choice, I wish could have this guy narrate my life
Simp
He made some bad choices when we a teenager but I was very impressed how he turned out 😜
delivered to my ffl for $872 plus a $25 transfer fee.. wish I had found this prior to buying my M1A Scout squad 18".. This psa 308 is a champ !
Love it when this channel reviews something I could plausibly afford, haha
knottheory79220 I picked up an ar10 308 20inch from palmetto a few months back. Being poor I waited for sales to save as much as I could. I got the upper, and lower separately, buying them separately cost me right at $700.00. Maybe I got lucky, but this thing is a nail driver at 800m. I’d love to do a few upgrades, and probably will swap the fire control group, and the stock as I get the extra cash. I did put a primary arms 4-14 with the acss recital on is that was close to $300.00 so I’m in to the weapon $$1000.00. Still that’s not bad for a solid 800m weapon in my opinion.
Let me start by saying great video and thanks for sharing it. I have two PA-10s in 308 both have the 18 inch barrels as well. One has the extended length buffer tube (1 inch) with a H3 buffer using a 308 buffer spring. Before it had the short one and I was having the bcg crash into to receiver threads. And bolt bounce which caused jamming issues, since changing to what I have now all problems are gone runs flawless and it has a primary arms 18x50 acss scope. My other one has a rifle stock on it and I use a 308 rifle buffer (different than a 5.56 rifle buffer) and a 308 spring no issues at all both are gen 2 the first has a mlok rail the other has round mid length hand guards.
Had two of their first generations.........built an Aero M5 using their Bolt Carrier group and 18 inch barrel.........works like a champ............DPMS pattern
8:57 "Owwww" are you okay??
Inexpensive and cheap are two different things. I personally love the value of PSA products!
I have build 5 different calibers on PSA striped receivers and love the quality !
Exactly. You can create one of these for every scenario. And all the while be saving up for something like Daniel Defense or the XM7. Whatever floats your boat.
PSA was my first AR build. I have since moved on to Aero and BCM. But, a few thousand rounds and years later, I still really enjoy and am still really happy with my 16" PSA rifle.
Shane Keller same here!!
is the Aero and BCM really any better and how?
Psa lowers on all my builds with no issues. Hell, the FN/PSA CHF barrels are great, I paid way more for BCM back in the day. That rifle still gets it though, it’s Moa. I’m sure KAC is better, but DD is not. Shoot the rounds.
I bought a 20 inch blemish rifle for Christmas. $769.95. Bought a Larue straight bow two stage trigger. A Larue pistol grip. A LMT muzzle brake. A strike industries extended latch on charging handle and hand guard grip panels from black slate industries. Picked up a B 5 Precision stock off of my local gun forum. Went with a Arken SH4 6-24x50 rifle scope. Went to the range and shot some of my reloads. Could not believe how accurate this gun is. My reloads were using Sierra 165 grain hpbt bullets with IMR4895. Brass was mixed head stamped military brass. Sub moa groups. I was using a Versa-pod bipod. Mine came with a adjustable gas block. Recoil was not bad at all. I had the same trigger as yours. And installed it in one of my AR15’s.
Thanks
I got the 20" upper with this system, I run mainly the heavier 180gr SP stuff from federal which has considerably more gas and recoil than the 145-150gr Nato ammo. Very solid and smooth shooter. It does have recoil, but not as much as you would think. My one complaint was it shipped with the wrong buffer and spring. I know for a fact it will cycle sharply or fail to engage the bolt hold open without both the proper spring and buffer because this system does not use a carbine buffer spring. After going back and forth with customer service providing pictures, they sent me the proper parts and the issue was resolved without having to mail it to them.
I have used it to smack steel and put some meat on the table.
I love my gen 3 PA10. You get a lot of good quality for the money. put a primary arms ACSS 4-14x, a mag pull bipod, and a canted at red dot. On a windy day I was getting 1.5 to 2 inch groups with 168 grain BTHP
I just bought this rifle with one exception, mine is coming with the adjustable gas block. I can not wait to get my hands on it!!!
..have had the g2 for 4 years now, by far the most cost effective .308 battle rifle available, after break in at 200-300 rounds and upgrading the trigger to a national match geissele trigger, consistently get around .75 MOA with 168gr or 175gr match rounds. I do not find this rifle to recoil anymore than any other comparable .308 battle rifle. For cost, accuracy, reliability, handiness/lightweight it is a lot of value for the money. It is easily my favorite .308 from someone who shoots a lot of .308 rifles..M1A, PTR-91, Galil .308, SCAR-H, DPMS, S&W AR10. The SCAR-H beats it in handiness and low felt recoil but at almost 3x the cost.
I built a gun using PSA 10 upper and lower, but used rifle length gas system, adjustable gas block, and a standard rifle buffer tube with Magpul MOE Rifle stock, which allows for H3 buffer and proper AR10 recoil spring, it is a very soft shooting gun.
All my PSA equipment has been serviceable and accurate and so far enduring as in high round count 2 uppers and one lower has been a good purchase for me
Great review Chris...
And pointing out that there is a difference between a budget and a VALUE rifle.
Best Wishes.....🤠
I have a few gucci rigs, but for the type of shooting I do on my civilian side, PSA makes a more than adequate platform.
FYI, KAK makes a heavy short buffer. If one wants to slow down the action, it provides 5.3oz in a short profile for the PA-10.
The more I shoot AR platforms the more I prefer the A1/A2 stocks with rifle buffers even on midlength gas systems. Thank you for breaking down the info about the buffers, I found the recoil with rifle buffers more pleasant, now I know a little more as to why.
Hi Chris, Thanks for another review.
BTW, the S&W M&P-10 uses the M4-type buffer length and the longer receiver extension/buffer tube and have 5R rifling as standard. In mine, I am getting MOA with very nearly AR-15 recoil in a lightweight package, but it is loud, and lots of aftermarket parts went into it. I put on VG6 Gamma 308 muzzle brake (rises upward less than the vaunted Precision Armament M4-72 brake I tried first), a JPE adjustable gas block, a Tubb flat 308 recoil/buffer spring, a Spikes tungsten powder T2 M4-length buffer, a Midwest Free float handguard, a POF roller cam pin, a Geisselle SSAE, a 10% extra power hammer spring, a Leupold VX6 2-12x42 Ballistic Firedot reticle in an Aero Precision ultralight Mount, a V7 aluminum port cover, a V7 aluminum forward assist, an aluminum castle nut, a Radian ambi 45d safety, Radian SD charging handle, a Troy rear of receiver sling mount, and some key points of contact I carefully polished. I also threw in a DPMS enhanced extractor with the elastomer spring. The rifle is reliable and I notice the buffer barely kisses the rear end of its travel, but is 100% reliable with everything, although the very cheapest steel-cased ammunition won’t lock open sometimes, but does still feed100%. I only use Magpul or Lancer magazines. It is only on the 2nd smallest setting on the clamp-on gas block (I know you prefer pinned). It’s recoil is so negligible it is hard to believe it really is an 18” 308. I have heard even better accuracy results from the newer and very cheap 16” Sport variants and they might be less over-gassed. I never had any problems before all the mods, but I cannot just leave things alone! I’m “touched” that way! Lol
Why not try these out, as they are army least as prolific, have nearly fully ambi controls and a few engineering choices you like?
I have an Aero Ar-10, put a VG6 comp on it and the recoil was nearly eliminated. Worth a try.
I run the Precision Armament M472 severe duty and it recoils like a 5.56…such a dream to shoot
$1,099?! I paid $640 and change for my PA-10 Gen3 granted is was in December 2019 and I bought the lower and upper separately, but still .
Got the Gen 3 lower for 250 the 308 20 in. upper 550 this week, lower was 100 higher on PSA website the upper was out of stock so i dont know the the price, i bought at local shop
Someone posted on a PSA Facebook community that last year around this time a lower could be found on their website for $150, wish i was gun nut back then
I just paid $1,099 today for the PSA AR-10GEN3. I kept looking and looking but couldn’t find anything else out there. With Biden/Harris, I expect the situation to be dire for quite a while. Hopefully I can find a decent supply of .308/7.62x51 ammo🤷🏿♂️
I just saw someone try to sell the 6.5 creedmoor version for $2,200 at the gun show 😑
@@Eastahtata smh sucky times we live in.
I have the Gen 2 and it has the longer buffer tube extension with a standard H buffer. Was thinking of adding a couple more T weights to make it an H3 buffer and soften the recoil. I will try H2 first and move my way up to make sure it works reliably. Great video. Love the in-depth analysis of the products on this channel. Thanks
Great information, as always! Just because a rifle is low on price doesn't mean it isn't worth a look!
I have same rifle with 22inches barrel. Love it.
All of the PA-10 rifles' gas blocks on the PSA website in 2024 seem to now be adjustable. Prices have come down by a couple of hundred $ as well.
I had to lap the barrel on mine. Barrel was very tite at the gas block. After the lap and a very good clean up. 5 168 gr. A max in one hole at 100 yards.
As always a great review sir
I must say this man is as professional as one can be. No nonsense, straight to the point. You know as the review goes forward that you will be given the facts on the weapon and it's true performance. Good or bad. As well as the breakdown of parts and quality of said parts. I for one look forward to this man's reviews, for I know that I can watch a review of a firearm. Take that firearm out and test fire it. And As of yet, I have never been disappointed in what his reviews have said, and how that weapon functions. It has at times landed me in the dog house with my other half, when that firearm lands in my gun rack. Ha, Ha, Ha. Again thank you sir for your straight forward and truthful reviews. God Bless you and yours.
Currently building one of these. Waiting on a stripped PA-10 Gen 3 lower to get in stock so I can order and be in business! Looking forward to seeing how well this bad boy shoots for me.
Having had neck surgery, recoil has become a big deal. There's no way I'd put a can on that particular configuration where the gas block is not adjustable and the shorter buffer is installed. I think a 20" barrel with a rifle length system is a good starting point along with some other mods. Thanks for taking the time.
Best value AR308. I put the PSA rifle tube and buffer on both of my PSA 308s and it makes a huge difference in recoil. Just got some adjustable gas blocks but haven't installed them yet.
Youre intro is so simple, yet so badass at the same time👌
I wound up changing the reciever extension and recoil system for Vseven's and it helped out with recoil tremendously. Also a two chamber brake probably aided in recoil mitigation, the Vseven buffer tube, enhanced H3 buffer, and teflon coated spring really smoothed out the mechanics of the gun overall and helped out with significantly faster follow up shots.
I got a G3 lower for $149 on sale last year. And around $500 for the G3 adjustable gas block upper with 18" stainless. Something that may be a problem/decrease the accuracy is the gas block is probably whacking the hand guard. I have not played with the adjustment as it is a soft shooter and has fired every type of ammo with no problems. I do have the shorter buffer. I have some 5.4oz 9mm buffers. Haven't stretched it out yet. I did swap in the EPT PSA 2 stage trigger. I installed 2 in 2 different rifles. I used a light weight Wolf connector, and trigger spring. 1st stage is almost non existent. 2nd is at 2.25lbs.
If you switch out the buffer do you need a different receiver extension? If so is that something commonly available and reasonably priced?
Thanks for doing this review on an affordable platform. Please do more 🙏
Im impressed with mine but youre right about the recoil it kicks like a mule. A 3 chambered muzzle break helped mine to mellow out a bit and theres a geissele g2s in it. Nice and inexpensive but Ive gotten 2 moa ish out of it new using cheap pmc bronze ammo
I have a Gen 2 and a Gen 3 PA10 18" and the 12.5" had a tight chamber on the 12.5 PSA took it back and replaced the barrel all running 100% and very accurate the 12.5 loves running suppressed I do recommend a heavy buffer for either tho
Excellent review!! I can always count on your reviews and info. Thx!!!
You can see the spring in between the grip and lower
Nice review.
I didn't know the ARs had different buffers between 15 & 10
All gen 3’s have an adjustable gas block... is that a gen 2??
You can replace the buffer with a Odin’s adjustable AR10 buffer to get 4.6 ounces of buffer weight. Order an extra tungsten weight when you order and use two tungsten weights instead of one tungsten and one steel and you get 5.47 ounces(one the high side of H3). Make sure you order the AR10 adjustable buffer(the short one) and not the longer AR15 adjustable buffer. You would just have to experiment to see how much weight you can use and still cycle reliably.
I have this rifle and while I only have about 60 rounds through it ran like a top right from the first round, no break in required
Change out the A2 birdcage for a good muzzle brake, install a KAK heavy buffer, and Springco orange recoil spring and it'll be a cream puff...
Chris @ 8:55 was that you or a Wookie making the "OWRAWRGWAWGGR" sound? :-)
I’m really dissapointed M-lock won the format war. I’ve always preferred Keymod. It’s easier to use and looks cool.
I have the 18" nitride barrel. Not sure how different they shoot from the SS barrels. I really recommend a muzzle brake with this rifle as well as an aftermarket trigger. I would love a fixed stock but for storage reasons need to keep the collapsible stock. By the way, these have sold for as low as $600 on sale.
I always opt for the rifle extension for all my rifles and the 16" 5.56 rifles I prefer it I trained with them in the 80's
I had a lot of feed problems with the stock buffer. Ordered a heavy buffer from Slash's Heavy Buffers and it works perfect!
How many ounces? On the buffer
Very interesting on the buffer and I'm glad you addressed it. My M&P10 kicks like a mule as well. I'm by no means a genius on this stuff. I put a very large muzzle brake on it but haven't fired it since. So if one bought an AR10 extension with the H3 buffer and replaced, would that reduce the kick quite a bit?
Buy these separately upper and lower i got mine for 629 . And had gobs of cash left over for good glass sweet triggers and charging handles and a muzzlebrake .
I have a PA10 Gen 3, and it came with a collapsible stock. I plan to replace it with an A2 rifle stock and buffer, mainly because I prefer the fixed stock, but I'm thinking maybe by replacing the M4 buffer/tube with the A2 buffer/tube, it may have a positive effect on recoil. We'll see.
i thought all gen 3 psa 10's came with an adjustable gas block?
midwestoutdoorsman mine did not.
Would you consider the use of a short heavy buffer with tungsten in a stainless body weighing 5.4-5.6 oz. in this rifle? I see Heavy Buffers and KAW Valley offer them. The KAW is way cheaper. Also Heavy Buffers recommends the use of their matching spring. If you like it, I'm going to buy the KAW because it claims the same specs and can be had for 44.95 instead of the 136.99 for the Heavy Buffers brand. I was also looking at using the Heavy buffers spring. Heavy Buffers also sells them for the Sig 716. Thevy don't seem to like the fact wire spring. Being an engine builder, that includes drag racing and being into matching the correct cams, compression, pushrod lengths, valve spring installed height, etc. I'm into hot rodding my rifle to perform at its peak in the same way. Thanks for teaching me, cant easily find this information anywhere else.
Thanks for the work you do! Your reviews and explanations are easy to understand. Look forward to a review of the Rock River LAR8 series.
Hope we get to keep our rifles.
Thats up to you bud!
And our dogs
I always leave a like before i even watch the video :) keep it up.
He never disappoints
the pistol grip isn't seated correctly, you can see a bit of the takedown pin spring peaking out from the junction between the receiver and grip. maybe the grip beaver tail needs to be filed down a little bit.
Nice catch
PSA is forging their own AR15 upper and lower receivers. Not sure if they are doing the AR10s though they very well could be.
I thought the Gen3 had the rail that was bare midway down. To help mounting higher powered/larger objective scopes?
So I've been passing up this gun because the website says "it weighs 10 pounds" with no elaboration. Your comment of "about 8 lbs" got me searching, and another review said it weighed 10lb with a nominal Leupold scope, Burris (heavy!) mount, and a Vickers sling. Take away that weight and you're back to "about 8 lb" unloaded. That's pretty much par for this AR genre.
PSA might just need to weigh their guns naked, unloaded, and be transparent about them even if they're heavy. This one's back on my radar. Like, you don't have to hide anything, PSA... you did alright lol.
Excellent review.
I noticed in the video that the empty cartridges are thrown forward to around 2 o'clock. Seems over-gassed, I think you mentioned that too.
Do you think that an adjustable gas block, with proper tuning, would improve the felt recoil?
PSA do sell some versions with an adjustable gas system.
I would replace the buffer tube with the longer one for AR10’s and use an H3 buffer if it were mine
@@SmallArmsSolutions Thanks
Chris! Love the channel. You got to check out railscales and get us a discount for those. The G10 is legendary status. I also think they're anchor and carve are awesome. At the same time I will check out Manta.
Gen 2 with a good muzzle brake . Up graded to the better charge handle . Blue Lazer for up close and personal. Vortex scope. For 1000 yards . What else could a girl want.
Question if your stated Gen 3 upper is a Gen 2 or a Gen 3? Thought all Gen 3s had Adjustable gas block? My Gen 2 lower has a slightly longer buffer tube and contained a standard carbine length buffer labeled as ‘H’. Over-gassed and somewhat erratic performance until I changed to a Spikes Tactical T3 carbine length buffer and a Tubbs 308 Flat wire buffer spring. On my Gen 2 free floated upper, had to file down the barrel nut due to interference of nut with the gas tube. Now my Gen 2 PA10 performs as desired and expected. Might change out the non-adjustable Gas Block to an adjustable Gas Block at some point as a refinement/enhancement. Overall, I’ve been pleased with my PSA experiences as a value focused supplier.
Every time you said , quote/unquote, this is alot of rifle for about $1000 I got warm fuzzies cause I got mine during PSA's Shot Show online sale. Would you believe $549 for a complete PA-10 G3 to my FFL?
I would like to get my hands on one of these to see if the A5 buffer tube would work with a carbine H3 buffer. Looks like it would, and that'd get rid of the short buffer.
This gun is going to be my bear defence for the Alaskan wilderness.
Damn I love my ks47 my favorite by far. It just has that yeah! Factor
If you guys had the gun bagged front and back, you would have been hitting 1 inch groups with premium ammunition. I get 1.25 inch with Freedom Munitions PA-10 Gen 3 . 20" I paid $700 on Black Friday
These are listed at $949 on PSA’s website.
They are jacking up their prices like everyone else. No thanks
@@calebclark6739 Lol are you surprised in this economy?
Thanks for a great video... Can you just install a heavier short buffer and reduce felt recoil?
Great review. Chris. I was wondering where that range is on the video. I live by Spring Guns And Ammo on Spring Cypress. Actually closer to 99 and Gosling area. I usually drive out to Van Rd. Outdoor range. Just curious.. Thanks for the review. PA 10 Gen 3 is my future rifle buy for 2022 .
Very informative, thank you Sir
I disagree with this as a building rifle PA 10s are not compatible with a lot of aftermarket parts that are “DPMS” pattern ,the take down pins and bolt catch are all proprietary. Magpul bad levers will not work on them nor will the phase 5 308 bad lever knock off. They do shoot way softer after a good muzzle break and an adjustable gas block.
Thanks Gun Santa
Going for $899 today
As per usual another great video from small arms solutions!
Sadly though, what makes the PSA so attractive other than the quality of the build is the price point.
PSA in their wisdom has decided to raise their prices for no reason other than corporate greed.
I will be taking my future business to other companies like Aero who have maintained A consistent & reasonable price point.
Chris I need review for JP Lrp 07 or jp lri-20! Great Channel. Always enjoy listening from your perspective
I can’t get guns from JP, tried. Been a few years since I got any gear from them to review.
Is this a DpMs pattern rifle? I was going to drop 300 on a lantac bcg but its dmps pattern and I need to know if it will fit. Everytime I try psa website robot answers and don't understand my question
I dont like that I can't use a phase 5 BAD lever on PSA 10s. Not sure if they fixed that with the g3 but the G2 were not my favorite large frame ARs
BAD levers are a bad idea for many reasons.
I like how you spelled bounce, bounse. It must be the UK version.
Thank you. Good information.
Just got mine !!!!
I need to look into changing out the buffer tube, and buffer. I did get the adjustable gas block and Geissele Super Semi-Automatic Enhanced (SSA-E) Trigger with the rifle. Once I get the buffer up to mil spec, I'll be happy even if I don't need it. I'm also thinking about running a strike industries flat spring. Is this something you would do if you had it?
Does the one with the adjustable gas system make a difference on the Recoil / buffer?
Chris PSA offers an AR10 kit in a full size rifle 20" barrel and full A2 style stock. How do you think it would fair against this model recoil and accuracy wise? I'm considering getting one but swapping out the A2 stock for an A1 for a better check weld. Any other suggestions you may have are aprchiated. Thanks and great review.
Love the show!!
Great review. If you were to chage to two tungsten weights would that make it a lot better weapon? Or would an entire buffer tube package be needed? Thx!
I put a h3 buffer and it slowed the cycle speed to about perfect. I also had to put 1 quarter down the buffer tube to stop the bolt carrier from over traveling and hitting the receiver extension.
Would definitely replace with LMT’s mws buffer kit if I got this rifle
Lol LMT parts on a PSA rifle
I have many cases of surplus 7.62x51 ammo (various countries, quality ammo) which shoots flawlessly in my M1a (both of them). I have never seen an AR-10 that will digest and accurately shoot surplus 7.62x51, but I have not been around many of the new AR-10s (my experience is 10-12 years old, so I would hope there has been some improvement in the platform, industry wide.
I am tempted with the PAR-10, as I have MANY PSA AR-15 kits built and love them.
On my to get list for sure 👍 💯
So I can’t replace my short buffer for a H3 rifle or carbine
A good muzzle break will help any AR-10 shoot much softer, wear double ears though.
Well I waited on purchasing the rifle and got it for 899.00 instead of 1500. 3 months ago. So 20 inch 308 ,waiting on Santa to deliver the new girl.
Curious if you would do a review on the Rock River Arms LAR-8 it's a 308 that takes FAL A1 magazines
Im looking to buy ar 10 my choices is a PSA 10 or DB 10 it's a hard choice lookin for suggestion .