Sneak Peek at OVER a DOZEN New 2025 Forest River RV Models & Updates!!

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  • @rondavis8477
    @rondavis8477 Місяць тому +28

    for me…no bunks, under 30 feet and around 7200 lbs is what I ‘d like to see… thanks Josh!!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +2

      You bet!

    • @mattwickwire-gs5et
      @mattwickwire-gs5et Місяць тому

      ​@@JoshtheRVNerd is the Ibex 19rbm still around? I've barely seen anything on it lately

    • @julihand5127
      @julihand5127 Місяць тому

      Hi Nerd, I would like to explore the IBEX a little more for when I’m aged, (probably widowed or when he gets totally sick of me after 40 years and runs away), and (if he stays), a rear kitchen fifth wheel around 35’, KING bed, no dinette but a bar eating arrangement with windows. 1/2 bath would be nice - I’m loving the 2025 FR Impression 360MYR but too long for the hubby - anything close to that I’m down with!

    • @bempey
      @bempey Місяць тому

      Yes, same here. And 7200 pounds is the tow limit of my Merc Mountaineer (Explorer's twin) with the (almost) 300 HP 4.6 V8. I specifically hunted down a 2WD, even though I'm in the Great White North, because 4WD tow limit is only 6800 pounds. My current MXT-20 has a GVWR of 7k.

  • @andrewmartin5531
    @andrewmartin5531 Місяць тому +16

    Josh, I am specifically interested in couples campers (no bunks), under 7500 lbs and anything with a bar-top style dinette would be icing on the cake.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      👍🏻

    • @michaelvanos1423
      @michaelvanos1423 Місяць тому

      ​@JoshtheRVNerd ill 2nd that. I'm tall so I need that part as well.

    • @aann9190
      @aann9190 Місяць тому

      8263MBR is an awesome couples trailer w the bar top concept...AND a king bed and huge bathroom!! 😉

    • @andrewmartin5531
      @andrewmartin5531 Місяць тому

      @@aann9190 Nice, but you better have a 3/4 or 1 ton to pull this one.

  • @kimberlypfarr6040
    @kimberlypfarr6040 Місяць тому +10

    Thanks, Josh! So professionally done. Appreciate your work. Desk, no bunks, 1/2 towable.

  • @janicecrockett1400
    @janicecrockett1400 Місяць тому +10

    I like Forest River. It would be nice if they went to the one piece molded shower, put water shut offs at the sinks, shower, and toilet. Access points that actually make it easy to do repairs and maintenance would be awesome.

  • @journeyhome98
    @journeyhome98 Місяць тому +7

    LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the two tone…

  • @GrumpyForester
    @GrumpyForester Місяць тому +4

    I say YES 👍 to a closer look at the Wildwood/Salem 161QK. I'm a no-bunks/no-slides/smaller-couples-model kinda guy looking at 20-ish or smaller length, and that model seems very intriguing!!!

  • @wmschooley1234
    @wmschooley1234 Місяць тому +7

    Josh Please add the following four trailers to your full review list Ozark 1660FQ .2300RBLE, 1610RBLE and the Wildwood FSX 233RBLE. And if you detect a slideless “theme” here, it’s not accidental. Respectfully, W.S.

  • @td12
    @td12 Місяць тому +4

    Wow.. wow.. wow.. finally, some redesigned FLOOR plans THAT are NOT JUST RECOLORED. I'm impressed. I'm excited to see some more..

  • @susanjspaulding
    @susanjspaulding Місяць тому +2

    *Heritage Glenn is FABULOUS* !! *The changes in the VIBE are wonderful* !! *Ibex is next level* !! *Longer videos on these three, please* !! #JoshTheRVNerdAtBishsRV 🇺🇸

  • @davidl.39
    @davidl.39 Місяць тому +3

    Personally I am interested in under 30ft fifth wheels for couples. I find them so much easier to back into tight campsites and or driveways. Add a king bed or at least a residential queen and just one slide in the kitchen living areas, I'd be sold

  • @10a3asd
    @10a3asd Місяць тому +2

    Definitely want to see more of the Salem FSK 233RBLE

  • @justorganizemylife
    @justorganizemylife Місяць тому +1

    Nice! Great to see the two-tone furniture in the Salem/Wildwood line is gone, FINALLY! I would love to see more of the Surveyors for sure. Thanks, Josh!

  • @LydiaS-q9u
    @LydiaS-q9u Місяць тому

    When you get a chance, please give us a video on the 2025 Freedom Express models. The 274RKS in particular. In general any models with open floor space in living, wrap around, or street side kitchen w plenty counter space, biig camp side windows that open. Road mode: clear access to bed & bath, and acceptable access to fridge.
    Thanks for all you do. We really appreciate your thoroughness & honesty in these vids.

  • @Bandgazebo
    @Bandgazebo Місяць тому +1

    The color design in the Surveyor was really pretty - bright and open, while still being a color that won't show dirt

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Vs last year I think the new decor is on point

  • @JS1066
    @JS1066 Місяць тому +1

    I would like to see some of the smaller toy hauler floorplans. 175RTK and the like. Having flexibility to bring some non motorized toys makes camping more fun. Kayaks, bikes, paddleboards, etc.

  • @marybourgeois8056
    @marybourgeois8056 Місяць тому +2

    JOSH.....BRAVO! This is EXACTLY what I needed to help me decide!!! I need something I can pull with my F150 Platinum Turbo.... THESE ARE GORGEOUS! My gut told me to hold out, glad I did.

  • @miracleyorkies4212
    @miracleyorkies4212 Місяць тому +2

    Luxury fifth wheels...big ones

  • @yvonnecook8635
    @yvonnecook8635 Місяць тому +2

    Must admit…I’m pretty excited about the 2025s. Thanks Josh🇨🇦❤️

  • @janineaggott6741
    @janineaggott6741 Місяць тому +1

    Oh boy, that last one was so beautiful. Loved the video Josh as usual you did such a great job.

  • @fredadam3262
    @fredadam3262 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you. Really looking forward to the Rockwood preview and would like to hear more about the destination "trailer" concept.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Did you mean this one? m.ua-cam.com/video/10BzivDTqOA/v-deo.html

  • @kornhead37
    @kornhead37 Місяць тому +1

    The NoBo 20.5 would be awesome Josh! Especially to cross shop with Ember

  • @bridgetme07
    @bridgetme07 Місяць тому +1

    LOVE the two tone cabinets. Would really enjoy seeing more in depth reviews of the Salem/Wildwood 29VBUD and the Ozark 2890BHK. Thanks for what you do! Your videos are the best!

  • @bertkelly7650
    @bertkelly7650 Місяць тому +1

    Love the wildwood/Salem 233RBLE, the 161QK and the Ozark 1660RB. Thanks Josh!

  • @teresas683
    @teresas683 Місяць тому +1

    Some good, some not my taste but lots of innovation for sure. Thanks Nerd!😂

  • @briankrone2631
    @briankrone2631 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for the preview Uncle Josh 👍 my wife and I would like to see more couples campers with no bunks that are 3/4 to single axle 1 ton towable. As always looking for to all your videos. Sincerely 2 parts of the #NerdHerd

  • @limiwa
    @limiwa Місяць тому +1

    The first one is gorgeous! Need a full walk through. We're looking for a family RV that can fit 3 kids and 2 adults 😊

  • @MichelleLevasseur
    @MichelleLevasseur Місяць тому +1

    The Heritage Glen at the beginning - the 261FKRB - had "rooms" in the perfect proportions for me - I'd love to see a more indepth video on that one!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Roger
      Rockwood, surveyor also make similar models

  • @JennaEngelhard-z7o
    @JennaEngelhard-z7o Місяць тому

    So many cool innovations! I love seeing anything half ton towable with a private bedroom - the smaller the better. Keep them coming, Nerd!

  • @deniseshaffer7162
    @deniseshaffer7162 Місяць тому +1

    I love the two tone cabinets. Always enjoy your videos .

  • @4jeep1
    @4jeep1 Місяць тому +1

    Love the new forest river vibe look. Been patiently waiting for a look at the 3400bh and or the 3400sb. 🙏

  • @zackhayes1052
    @zackhayes1052 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks nerd! 🙏 Appreciate the video and these quick walkthroughs. Though i think the way you went short to long in the Rockwood video made it even better

  • @tanyabrownparham2353
    @tanyabrownparham2353 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Josh! I’d love to see more specs and details on the quality of rPods. We are looking to purchase our first RV (couples travel trailer;

  • @milehighed52801
    @milehighed52801 Місяць тому +1

    More on both the first and last ones. Thanks, Josh!

  • @captaindanield5827
    @captaindanield5827 Місяць тому +1

    Two tone looks fine.

  • @juliac406
    @juliac406 Місяць тому +1

    WOW!! Great kitchen in the first video. Going back to watching now...

  • @martaleary5598
    @martaleary5598 Місяць тому +2

    Josh!!!! You rocked this one!!! So many new interesting things finally coming out I’m so excited for the RV Shows coming up!!!
    I can’t pick! I’m in awe 🫢 !!!!!!!
    Maybe the Surveyor bunch!! I don’t know!!! Is like walking into an Italian Bakery!!!! My eyes 👀 wander !!!!!!🤪🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @bjwieland-doucet5917
    @bjwieland-doucet5917 Місяць тому

    I loved ALL of them but the ine with the back deck is MY heart rig. ❤😮😊

  • @gailbrackeen
    @gailbrackeen Місяць тому +1

    2025 is looking good for campers. Liked all of them. Happy I haven't bought a new one yet. Keep up the good work, Josh.

  • @kimdoyle4831
    @kimdoyle4831 Місяць тому +1

    I like the 2 tone cabinets

  • @gnun3548
    @gnun3548 Місяць тому +1

    The Vibe is excellent! Like the updated version of the 2600RK!!! Looking forward to the full review!!!!!

  • @donaldalloyd
    @donaldalloyd Місяць тому

    Thanks Josh! Some very innovative layouts. Keep up the great work!

  • @jenniferleigh5340
    @jenniferleigh5340 Місяць тому +1

    I really liked the Wildwood 233RBLE. Would love to see a longer video on that one please.

  • @LindaJensen-t9p
    @LindaJensen-t9p Місяць тому +1

    Love the new FSX 233RBL....

  • @markmax
    @markmax Місяць тому +1

    That Wildwood Salem 233 RBLE looks very interesting: A no-slide couples camper. I would like to see a counter that could be used as a desk but the floating table might do the job. How about a full review on that one?

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +2

      I’ll make it happen!

    • @jamiev3641
      @jamiev3641 Місяць тому

      Yes...looking forward to this too

  • @timhiggs9362
    @timhiggs9362 Місяць тому +1

    More on the IBEX 20MRK and the OZARK 166ORB please! Thanks Josh! 😁

  • @josephgunn8442
    @josephgunn8442 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks Josh !

  • @Piratehawk7
    @Piratehawk7 Місяць тому +1

    "pulling it out of their butts and it's working!" Classic Josh! Way to go nerd!!

  • @Livin_inRVA
    @Livin_inRVA Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Nerd!

  • @587G
    @587G Місяць тому +1

    Josh, I'd like to see you review the Rockwood Signature 5th wheels, 371, 375. Maybe I need to come to Coldwater. I have a brand-new Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608BS we feel is too small for us. Got out of a Cougar Half ton 30RLS. We really like the quality of the Rockwood/ Rockstaff that you have been preaching for years. I will be looking to get into a 5th wheel perhaps at some of the RV shows. I'll probably have to sell the new 2608BS on my own so I don't take a really big hit on it. Plus I custom ordered it with just about every option except for the theromo windows. Thanks, as always, you're the best!!

  • @ronl6060
    @ronl6060 Місяць тому +1

    HEY, Thanks Nerd!

  • @lauragough1174
    @lauragough1174 Місяць тому +1

    In general--dual axle, no slides, pantry, real closet space, under 30 feet, but up to 32 feet OK. Heritage Glen models interesting, FSX 233 promising. On another note: Matt has very nice things to say about you in his Hershey Brinkley video.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +1

      I hadn’t seen it. May have to take a look. Ty for Sharing
      We get along well he and I

  • @adventureswithgnomie6553
    @adventureswithgnomie6553 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Nerd - more Ibex & NoBo's please

  • @jeffgerbing1230
    @jeffgerbing1230 Місяць тому +1

    I’d love to see the Sabre 36flx keep up the great work

  • @wendydue6256
    @wendydue6256 Місяць тому +1

    Would love to see more of the Heritage Glen 328bh.

  • @rustydusty1111
    @rustydusty1111 Місяць тому +2

    Under 30ft 5th wheel is where it's at!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      👍🏻

    • @Erin-Thor
      @Erin-Thor Місяць тому

      I’m with you! I do wish they would make a short full profile 5W though. (Think uniform height but raised step up floors to both front and back, with lots of underfloor outside storage.) 😎

  • @shannonolivo9991
    @shannonolivo9991 Місяць тому +1

    Please do the Wildwood with the bunk/rear livingroom and more of any of the new RV' with good size bunkrooms PLEASEEE😊

  • @cherylphillips2037
    @cherylphillips2037 Місяць тому

    So fun-we are looking for a couples camper no bunk. Love a nice kitchen, barn doors and light with gray

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      I think we’ve got some things in our lineup that could fit that Bill. Our team is ready when you are.

  • @cariann426
    @cariann426 Місяць тому +1

    We are looking to downsizing to a couples camper 25ft or less, north south bed set up. We are currently in a 33-foot, and with the kids grown, it's just more camper than we need!

  • @BenoitBauwens
    @BenoitBauwens Місяць тому +1

    Great to make creative floorplans, I wish they put the same amount of energy in ...... build quality !

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Yeah I agree

    • @BenoitBauwens
      @BenoitBauwens Місяць тому

      Almost bought a Cougar 260MLE at the show, and would first thank you for the great video.
      But the dealership ........ so we gave it up

  • @sonjabrownamericanwayreale435
    @sonjabrownamericanwayreale435 Місяць тому +1

    Love the new decor.

  • @julperkamoze9828
    @julperkamoze9828 Місяць тому +1

    Vibe have interesting things like a hide bedroom with a versa queen instead of bunks, it is 3400SB I guess

  • @chrisbrennan2208
    @chrisbrennan2208 Місяць тому +1

    Like to see more of the forest river Vibe.

  • @revy4491
    @revy4491 Місяць тому +1

    I’d love to see more of the 161qk

  • @karenschmidt5344
    @karenschmidt5344 Місяць тому +1

    I'd love to see an in-depth review of the 2025 Rockwell 8339FK.

  • @andrewt4427
    @andrewt4427 Місяць тому +1

    Hopefully you can catch Vibe 2500DB or 2600BH. Thanks for all your videos.

  • @reneedickerson4489
    @reneedickerson4489 Місяць тому +1

    Oooh another pandoras box, all looking good.

  • @RyanPanning
    @RyanPanning Місяць тому +1

    For me, any bunk houses under 25 feet. Bonus points for double bunks and dual axle, extra for non-leaf spring suspension.

  • @user-qi7ki5wk9n
    @user-qi7ki5wk9n Місяць тому +1

    Wow, nice to see some changes and we are looking for under 24 feet and under, no slides,, full bath (with sink) that can be used with 1/2 ton, are there any trailers - like the Ibex!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      there are some things out there like that for sure. Our local folks can help narrow down some opportunities for you.

  • @duragizer444
    @duragizer444 Місяць тому +1

    Aaaahhhhhhh, where's the Vibe 2500SP!! It's killing me to not see the actual model. They have teased the floorplan and it looks incredible. Love your videos Josh!

  • @Sides1160
    @Sides1160 Місяць тому +1

    I would like to see the No Bo 18.1. I know you didn’t show it here, but I would like to see the update.

  • @scottschermerhorn7040
    @scottschermerhorn7040 Місяць тому +1

    We would love to see your take on the 2025 East To West Ahara 365RL

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +1

      It’s been too long since I went thru those

  • @mikesnifferpippets3733
    @mikesnifferpippets3733 Місяць тому

    Would like to see the keystone bullet 330BKQ. It sold me at the Novi show when I saw the rack & pinion slides with torsion axles. Thanks Josh

  • @kelseybang
    @kelseybang Місяць тому

    Bunk houses and family rigs!

  • @HughSteckel
    @HughSteckel Місяць тому +1

    No bunks, no dinette, solar options, dining bar and something for a CPAP machine..great job nerd!

  • @larkendelvie
    @larkendelvie Місяць тому +1

    Thanks Nerd for all the videos. I would like half ton towable or less videos. The other thing that would be very helpful would be more info on each brand -- like what features do Ibexes have and that they are the sibling of ... and part of was it RPod? Basically where does this brand fit into the RV Family tree verses another brand and what if anything are they known for that's different?

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Surveyor birthed… rpod
      Then later nobo/ibex shot off those

  • @SaraBollig-ys3pu
    @SaraBollig-ys3pu Місяць тому +1

    Hi Josh, do you know how the central vacuum works, as far as emptying the dirt goes? I imagine there is a compartment that you can dump, but I am curious how that works. Thanks!

    • @Erin-Thor
      @Erin-Thor Місяць тому +1

      Depending on the model and type (5W or trailer) it’s essentially a Dirt Devil® vacuum with a replaceable or empty-able bag located behind a cabinet or in an undercarriage storage area. Some have a hose, some just have a foot level pop up cover with a button under it (cover down = off, cover up=on) that you sweep dust debris into/at. 😊

    • @SaraBollig-ys3pu
      @SaraBollig-ys3pu Місяць тому

      @@Erin-Thor awesome, thank you!

  • @Chris714-o6
    @Chris714-o6 Місяць тому

    Really appreciate it 👍✌️🫶👋👏🤝

  • @jamiewimer
    @jamiewimer Місяць тому +2

    Family campers! Short, light, bunks.

  • @jayjones6539
    @jayjones6539 Місяць тому +1

    I would like to see a Rockwood 2619, interior color options, wireless charging options sofa or counter tops....

  • @tomrichard8020
    @tomrichard8020 Місяць тому

    Thanks nerd 🍺 🤓

  • @LillyWilliams-l1k
    @LillyWilliams-l1k Місяць тому

    Great job Josh I would like to see more details of the Vibe 2800 RK and RL. Enjoying your videos.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      yeah vibe really has a great look about them

  • @Flyingfrogs2y
    @Flyingfrogs2y Місяць тому

    THANKS NERD!!
    Josh I would like to see more on the single axles 5,000 GVW for us folks with 6,000 LB towing capacity SUV’S
    Great job brother!! 🤠

  • @NancyGross-x7k
    @NancyGross-x7k Місяць тому

    Would love to see some twin bed floor plans. Love your reviews!

  • @kellyrussell9741
    @kellyrussell9741 20 днів тому

    I would love to see you do a walk thru of the Vibe 2500SP. So different than anything else we have seen.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  19 днів тому

      I have footage of it on file and in the works!

  • @TaraMontero
    @TaraMontero Місяць тому

    I need to see the Rockwood 2520BH/Flagstaff 25DBH! Excited for the dedicated bedroom with bunks around 26 feet.

  • @MultiEricr
    @MultiEricr Місяць тому +1

    I don't really like Vibe's outer color scheme, but I love Vibe's ingenuity. I'd love to see anything from them, but in particular I'd love to see their new 2600RB. The rear bath one not the rear bar.

  • @AricaMarn
    @AricaMarn Місяць тому +1

    The campers are getting fancy

  • @patrickdahm6822
    @patrickdahm6822 Місяць тому +1

    More Forest River Vibe and Ibex please!

  • @Patricksmancave
    @Patricksmancave Місяць тому

    Hey Josh, do a lacrosse luxury travel travel, do some primetime adventures travel trailers, Do some forest foreRiver vibes to. do some more Wildwood heritage grand fifth wheel wheels two! Thank you, Josh

  • @doctorfong
    @doctorfong Місяць тому

    I would love to see the new floorplans from R pod.

  • @LetMeCook86
    @LetMeCook86 Місяць тому

    Wanna see anything new, new construction, new interior, new innovations.

  • @Grego72001
    @Grego72001 Місяць тому

    Great video and some really nice looking products coming to market. As you mentioned they are getting more creative, I just wonder why US manufacturers are not looking at RV's made in other countries for ideas. I've seen some really creative ideas from companies in Japan and Jayco in Australia.

  • @FCFire410
    @FCFire410 Місяць тому

    I’d like to see some videos on the new Arctic Wolf models.

  • @TheMadvid
    @TheMadvid Місяць тому

    For me, 1/2 ton towable mini lites like the 2104s, 2205s, 2507s ( new version), & the 2515s, also no bunks

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      I have 2025 footage of that new 2214s (replaced the 2507) and 2024 footage of the rest with updates hopefully coming
      The 2104s is gone. It and the 2507s merged into the 2214s

  • @NG-fg6qf
    @NG-fg6qf Місяць тому

    Can we get a full walk thru of thevFSX 223RBLE? I'm really liking that clean, no OHC design. Only tweaks I'd make are really nitpicky -- replace the first bathroom vanity with floor to ceiling broom closet, go with Jayco-like under sofa table stow with drawers (or cubbies) below and plank look flooring. I've been really liking flex bunkhouse designs, but surprisingly this layout could meet the same needs. The huge bathroom has enough room to double as a utility closet and I can stow my bike and gear in the bedroom when traveling.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +1

      I’ll make that full look happen for the 233

  • @samuelbranson6138
    @samuelbranson6138 Місяць тому

    I like the FSX no slide

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      It’s great! I’ll work on full vid for it

  • @Brigand231
    @Brigand231 Місяць тому

    I'm being told to type in that we'd like to see more of the first one. Thanks, Uncle Josh!

  • @jerrytalley802
    @jerrytalley802 Місяць тому

    Josh, when will these new models be available, especially Rockwood/Flagstaff? I am just sincerely hoping the manufacturers are stepping up to the plate and fixing things like bad plumbing, etc. These things cost more than my neighbors paid for a brick rancher on an acre of land, even a basic 25-30’ travel trailer. I realize it’s been45 years ago, but still some contrast. At the price, these campers should only have minor issues, and I really think Rockwood/Flagstaff is more conscientious than most, but I still see people with challenges. I’m going to start calling you, Uncle Josh, the energizer bunny, because you never stop going and going. Thanks 😊

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Many shipping now. I don’t have dates for individual models

  • @justcruisinmom1682
    @justcruisinmom1682 Місяць тому

    I really would like a fifth wheel that is not so mega heavy. But yet you can live in it and still have the private office with the loft above. That’s a major challenge in a statement I guess. Love to hear from you what your thoughts are❤️

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому +1

      To get those things it’s going to be pretty hefty I’d estimate

  • @JenniferKokesh
    @JenniferKokesh Місяць тому

    I love the big windows and lighter colors in the newer rvs. I don't understand the need of dual sinks in the bathroom. Do people really use the bathroom at the same time?(other than maybe the shower)😉

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Місяць тому

      Not from what I’ve ever seen or heard.