What Makes an Inverted Pentagram Satanic

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  • Taken from my supporter only videos, this video looks at what it is about the inverted pentagram which has made it associated with Satanism, but also why we find it in some churches.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 463

  • @yugutugut
    @yugutugut 2 роки тому +274

    As a patron, I support this being made public

    • @johannakunze3300
      @johannakunze3300 2 роки тому +5

      Thank you! I will become a Patron once I am earning money again!

    • @niklassarri108
      @niklassarri108 2 роки тому

      God bless you!

    • @jay_sensz
      @jay_sensz 2 роки тому +4

      Agreed, I would even support all patron-only releases being made public after a few months.

    • @robintropper660
      @robintropper660 2 роки тому +2

      I follow a lot of .... words? .... intellectual/philosophers ... people who reflect on the nature of our modern world with a different point of vue. JP is the ONLY one I intend to support, even though this religion-angle is necessarily biased. Bias does not mean wrong, and the symbolic study is SO precious!

    • @EamonBurke
      @EamonBurke 2 роки тому

      I subbed to Patreon just for this video. Now it's free! I bet I would have plenty of other patron only content to enjoy but I'm listening to Laurus on audible now.
      An embarrassment of riches

  • @esimm595
    @esimm595 2 роки тому +50

    Power in multiplicity: "diversity is our strength."

    • @Mr371312
      @Mr371312 2 роки тому +3

      Ikr immediately noticed that too

    • @randomuserame
      @randomuserame 2 роки тому +4

      "United we stand" actually

  • @thebamboozlerette1824
    @thebamboozlerette1824 2 роки тому +137

    The pentagram being in the window that is never lit, that’s kinda genius

    • @Investmentmessiah
      @Investmentmessiah 2 роки тому +10

      Perhaps also fitting to that thought: within the tridentine rite the gospel is read northwards so that the lands not (yet) illuminated by the Light of +Christ shines within the darkness.

    • @thebamboozlerette1824
      @thebamboozlerette1824 2 роки тому

      @@Investmentmessiah an excellent point.

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 Рік тому

      ​​@6meegz I found a circle with a star inside outside my back door, in a concealed spot. Sort of etched into cement ground. Not sure what to make of it. How do I know if it's inverted?
      Edit: on a wall, window or in a book I can see being able to tell which edge is UP. But on the ground? Hmmm. Oh!! Would it be direction? If one point of the star points north?

    • @javariusjavarlamariuslamar3759
      @javariusjavarlamariuslamar3759 Рік тому

      @6meegz oh no you’ll probably explode or something

  • @shaynemoore6736
    @shaynemoore6736 2 роки тому +94

    Hearing the words "Christ is stronger than all of this" warmed my heart this am:) I know He is, but still, it is good to hear those words spoken.

    • @fritzco55
      @fritzco55 2 роки тому +5

      Yes! Chris is truly stronger than all of this, he is the "fulfillment of the law". The symbol for Israel is the Star of David. I have heard that the source of this symbol is from the old testament tabernacle, that the elements of blood from the sacrifice, fire from the heavens that consumed it when it would be acceptable to God, and then water from the lavar that the priest would essentially baptize themselves in would form the first triangle (could also be the formation of our three primary colors - blood=red, water=blue, fire=yellow). The second triangle is formed from the candlesticks (with 66 bowls, knops and flowers - 22 of each - also representing the Light of the world, the Bible, knowledge of God, etc), the alter of incense, and the table of shewbread... and ultimately, Jesus fulfilled what God laid out as a symbolic pattern of worship and spiritual growth toward God in the old testament. I could go on, however, if there is already a video I would love to hear an additional take from Jonathan Pageau... I love this type of content.

    • @EsotericOccultist
      @EsotericOccultist 2 роки тому

      People love having their beliefs repeated back to them. You're definitely not alone in that

    • @thesunisflatorganization
      @thesunisflatorganization 2 роки тому +2

      christ is a symbol of weakness

    • @lukatisljar7269
      @lukatisljar7269 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@thesunisflatorganizationJesus Chirst is our God and Saviour✝️. Allmighty, allpowerfull God

  • @AlexHernandez-ee5hd
    @AlexHernandez-ee5hd 2 роки тому +52

    First, a Pentagram is a star alone, the Pentacle is the star with a circle around it. Both symbols predate Christianity by thousands of years, it is in fact the oldest symbol of worship on earth. It was first stated to be evil in 1855 when a Catholic church leader was kicked out of the church and wrote a book on magic. For nearly 600 years prior this symbol was a symbol used by the Catholic church. Its primary linkage to evil was in the mid-60s when the atheistic group called "the Church of Satan" took an inverted Pentacleas their official symbol.

    • @vegan_guac
      @vegan_guac Рік тому +8

      Thank you!! People really see something and run with it without actually researching any history 🥴

    • @inglessimplificadoquito
      @inglessimplificadoquito 10 місяців тому +1

      Amazing info. Ty.

    • @sodabob
      @sodabob 4 місяці тому +1

      Exactly! Old Christian churches in Europe have "inverted" pentacles and pentagrams, as do some Mormon temples. It was considered a symbol of Venus, "The Morning Star" - a name given to Jesus in the Bible. As you say, in popular American culture it wasn't considered "evil" until LaVey used it for the "Church of Satan." Movie makers and rock/metal bands grabbed onto that and made that (and the inverted cross) part of popular culture, cementing the idea that those are inherently evil symbols...

  • @dezericka
    @dezericka 2 роки тому +52

    Sounds like “our diversity is our strength”

    • @IVespidI
      @IVespidI 2 роки тому +13

      Our diversity is their strength.

    • @thedreadtyger
      @thedreadtyger 2 роки тому +8

      @@IVespidI our divergence certainly is

    • @EsotericOccultist
      @EsotericOccultist 2 роки тому

      Not having anything in common is our strength 🙄

    • @randomuserame
      @randomuserame 2 роки тому

      "United we stand" actually

  • @hermittmog8697
    @hermittmog8697 2 роки тому +16

    The pentagram is a symbolic representation of the golden ratio. If you take the longer and shorter lines it equals thirds. It was used by Pythagoreans.

  • @porteal8986
    @porteal8986 2 роки тому +49

    To offer an alternate explanation, the four lower points represent the four elements, earth air fire and water, while the upper point represents spirit. The inverted pentagram was considered a symbol of evil because it placed the four lower elements above the element of spirit, representing valuing the material world, the intellectual world, the sensual world, or the emotional world above the spiritual world.

    • @EamonBurke
      @EamonBurke 2 роки тому +7

      That isn't alternate, that's exactly what Jonathan is saying here

    • @porteal8986
      @porteal8986 2 роки тому +2

      @@EamonBurke alright ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 Рік тому

      ​@@porteal8986 there are 5 elements in some cultures. Air, water, metal, wood, fire. I forget but I know metal and wood were in there instead of Earth

    • @user-wp3tr3ns4l
      @user-wp3tr3ns4l 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@recoveringsoul755That's Chinese elements instead of our western ones.

    • @recoveringsoul755
      @recoveringsoul755 2 місяці тому

      @@user-wp3tr3ns4l yes. Like they don't just have Year of the dragon. It's year of the metal dragon or water pig or whatever, ,based on the year and stuff. Plus they give weight to blood types as well, which also affects a personality

  • @leondbleondb
    @leondbleondb 2 роки тому +18

    The normal Pentagram also refers to the Pentagrammaton in esotericism. So makes sense for Satanists to invert it.

  • @jerdazzo
    @jerdazzo 2 роки тому +17

    This made me think about the inverted hermeneutic of the creation account employed by gnostics, in which they view the serpent as a liberating figure from a tyrannical God who has entrapped and enslaved mankind.
    What I find to be a fascinating consistency with the Devil is that he can not create. He can only corrupt and pervert what God has created.
    This whole idea of the upside-down/ backwards/ inverted/ opposite in relation to Satanism is seemingly a bottomless rabbit hole.

    • @glenholmgren1218
      @glenholmgren1218 2 роки тому +5

      Yes, as you said they cannot create and this their ONLY play is the subversion

  • @andrew07865
    @andrew07865 2 роки тому +13

    Right-side pentagram was also used in the medieval romance of Sir Gawain. In this romance it is said to represent 5 knightly virtues.

  • @oropeza899
    @oropeza899 2 роки тому +29

    I really like your videos Jonathan, I want to thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. You and Jordan Peterson have rescued me from my reductionist atheism.

    • @adenjones1802
      @adenjones1802 2 роки тому

      Jordan Peterson imposes a false Christianity. Do not follow this false idol.

  • @viktoriaregis6645
    @viktoriaregis6645 2 роки тому +6

    I really love how you dedramarize this tvings, presenting simpel fact, without any dwelling or drama in it. Without most of the dark apokalyptic scenario we usually see, and even bring out Hope from it. Thank You for that.

  • @ValerieSage-ht3px
    @ValerieSage-ht3px Рік тому +1

    You are so wise and interesting and your deliveryis also perfect. I find the time i listen to you the best spent time of my day.

  • @lauragiles4245
    @lauragiles4245 2 роки тому +3

    🙂 Loved the discussion of the north transept in Cathedrals. Going to check some out in the spring, God willing.

  • @ZlotyChannel
    @ZlotyChannel 2 роки тому

    I was looking forward to this video a lot!

  • @RodrigoMera
    @RodrigoMera 2 роки тому +3

    All the introduction is also an explanation of the Mesoamerican symbol commonly called the "quincunx", which also appears as a flower with four petals and repeats itself further in the "volador" dance or dance of the flyers. This is awesome, great explanation, thanks.

  • @MattisWell.20
    @MattisWell.20 2 роки тому +12

    The Crucifixion itself even has pentagram imagery. The four nail-scars presented on Jesus’ hands and feet, all coming into the one scar located at His side😯☦️

    • @CourtesyPhone
      @CourtesyPhone 2 роки тому +1

      This is interesting and remind me of rosicrucian symbolism

  • @jojosiwadrillremixmp3141
    @jojosiwadrillremixmp3141 2 роки тому

    💜🤝ty for uploading this bruv

  • @johanretard3615
    @johanretard3615 2 роки тому +23

    It's insane that there are people who see themselves as conservatives who dont see the upside down nature of democracy

    • @kriegjaeger
      @kriegjaeger 2 роки тому +3

      Propaganda is effective. Constant repetition of "our democracy...our democracy...our democracy..." never "our republic" because of what that would entail.

    • @jay_sensz
      @jay_sensz 2 роки тому +3

      You don't like democracy? What are you, some kind of Nazi/Commie?
      /s

    • @Stevenmulraney
      @Stevenmulraney 2 роки тому +3

      Democracy is literally "what're we going to do with OUR stuff". Hoppe is right about monarchy being better than democracy. No contest.

    • @Galahad_Du_Lac
      @Galahad_Du_Lac 2 роки тому +1

      @@kriegjaeger People constantly talk about this republic.

    • @Galahad_Du_Lac
      @Galahad_Du_Lac 2 роки тому

      What would you replace it with?

  • @user-tp7wi4lt2b
    @user-tp7wi4lt2b 2 роки тому +22

    The old intro gave me so much nostalgia lol I still love it

  • @oliverman6168
    @oliverman6168 2 роки тому

    You bearer of light,
    Thanks 4 shedding some.

  • @juliomereb6316
    @juliomereb6316 2 роки тому +1

    Your solo videos are so much better than the interviews and talks…

  • @universalflamethrower6342
    @universalflamethrower6342 2 роки тому +33

    I saw Dune the other day, I realised it can never be a truly satisfying/wholesome experience and Tolkien was right in disliking it. Dune is an inverted pentagram, It doesn't have a redemption story arc. But being a child of the 90s and ex-goth it is still a guilty pleasure.

    • @micahmueller5186
      @micahmueller5186 2 роки тому +3

      Yea it lacks heart but outstanding in every other field

    • @EamonBurke
      @EamonBurke 2 роки тому +3

      Dune is phenomenal. I haven't seen the new film yet(American here) but the religious themes and sex/gender images are powerful. The conslusion of Herbert's Dune is a story about Chani as much as Paul. Paul exists in relationship to Chani. The old movie got it exactly, completely wrong in it's apotheotic moment.

    • @hermittmog8697
      @hermittmog8697 2 роки тому +3

      When taken as a whole it could maybe be a redemption story, not of a single character, as Paul is not a hero in the first books, but of humanity. Great books! A warning about the cult of personality.

    • @harmonicresonanceproject
      @harmonicresonanceproject 2 роки тому +1

      Tolkein died in 1904 and therefore had no opinion of Dune.

    • @universalflamethrower6342
      @universalflamethrower6342 2 роки тому +2

      @@harmonicresonanceproject wtf dude

  • @06rtm
    @06rtm 2 роки тому +38

    The pentagram as the image of a human is helpful. The upside down pentagram is literally flipping the world upside down. Feet up, head down.

    • @marblemarble7113
      @marblemarble7113 2 роки тому

      the inverted pentagram is an ancient symbol that was often used by the Sumerians to denote their "shining ones" who were to my understanding their gods. A inverted pentagram symbolizes lucifer after his fall from heaven and him becoming satan. A upright pentagram symbolizes luficer before the fall (in my opinion)

    • @06rtm
      @06rtm 2 роки тому +1

      @@marblemarble7113 I just like the simplicity of thinking of it as a symbol for upside down. Its the inversion of the natural hierarchy.

    • @marblemarble7113
      @marblemarble7113 2 роки тому

      @@06rtm that's fine I'm just showing you the ancient connection to Satan that the symbol has

    • @trafficjon400
      @trafficjon400 2 роки тому

      Why we suffer by the billions then die a ugly dried up smelly stinking death as old and rot. Stinks and wonder why we deserve such none fathomable make of Control over us forced to be human with a spirit it say's most likley to be doomed. then gives us no benifit of the dougt. pray for somthing that promissed to answer does not. may be some kind we think came from our own conscience.

    • @06rtm
      @06rtm 2 роки тому

      @@trafficjon400 What about love?

  • @leoncordell6165
    @leoncordell6165 2 роки тому

    Super video! Would have been great if the mathematical principles where also explained in this video in depth with the geometric shapes

  • @genedavis759
    @genedavis759 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for illuminating these things it helps me to put into perspective and context these symbols from the past.

  • @annsuo3398
    @annsuo3398 2 роки тому

    Great video! I feel like I now understand better many seemingly unrelated things when understanding this symbol.

  • @silverhiver
    @silverhiver 2 роки тому +1

    this is awesome, thanks for this Jonathan

  • @raykos4257
    @raykos4257 8 місяців тому

    This is so interesting. Great video! Thank you!

  • @Blackadder153
    @Blackadder153 2 роки тому +10

    It would be interesting to see Jonathan's interpretation of I Pet Goat.

  • @one_man_community
    @one_man_community 2 роки тому +40

    As someone knowledgeable of symbology enough.
    I share no concern for inverted crosses or standard Pythagorean Pentagrams.
    I'm concerned with their users and them simply being pretentious, AND them simply ignoring the importance of symbols withheld.
    St. Peter's Cross (the inverted cross) is a Christian symbol of such superiority, that it's disappointing to see its misuse.

    • @TheZalor
      @TheZalor 2 роки тому +3

      You mention that your knowledgeable on symbology, recently I've gotten interested in the topic and am looking for books to read. So I guess that's my question, what books do you suggest I look into so I can learn about the subject?

    • @victorborbalima
      @victorborbalima 2 роки тому +9

      @@TheZalor check out jonathan's brother's book ''the language of creation''

    • @marcschaeffer1584
      @marcschaeffer1584 2 роки тому +5

      @@victorborbalima I'm about halfway through it. It's very good.
      I also recomend jordan petersons book maps of meaning.

    • @niklassarri108
      @niklassarri108 2 роки тому +4

      St Peter asked for permission to be crucified upside down, as didnt think of himself as worthy of being crucified like Jesus. So sure thing, they dont think of them selfes as worthy of Jesus Christ. Ironic when you mentioned this.

    • @marcschaeffer1584
      @marcschaeffer1584 2 роки тому +3

      @@niklassarri108 well now I just feel sorry for users of inverted symbols lol, maybe devil worshipers just need a good hug.

  • @andrewstallard6927
    @andrewstallard6927 2 роки тому +14

    The five points of the pentagram also form the head, two arms and two legs on Da Vinci's Vituvian Man. If it is right-side up, the head is on top, indicating that is what is ruling. If it is upside down, what organ is doing the ruling?

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 роки тому +1

      The feet!

    • @Nekrumorfiini1
      @Nekrumorfiini1 2 роки тому

      @@mysigt_ This is why I think worrying about the meaning of some lines put together is pretty idiotic.

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 роки тому +1

      @@Nekrumorfiini1 to be fair, a swastika is also some lines put together, but I see your point

    • @Nekrumorfiini1
      @Nekrumorfiini1 2 роки тому

      @@mysigt_ You don't even know what a swastika means, do you?

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 роки тому +1

      @@Nekrumorfiini1 bla bla symbol of peace or whatever, primitive way of drawing the sun bla bla. I was trying to make a point about symbolism and association but yes, let’s derail this entirely

  • @robintropper660
    @robintropper660 2 роки тому +6

    HEY, you can use the symphonic recording again? Cool! I really like your friends' small ensemble renditions (even the heavy metal one) but the original remains powerful!

  • @zciliyafilms5508
    @zciliyafilms5508 2 роки тому

    For anyone curious, an arrangement of five points into the 4-corner-1-center configuration described here is called a quincunx.

  • @pablo_astorga
    @pablo_astorga 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent Jonathan. Thank you.

  • @ImperfectCitizen
    @ImperfectCitizen 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent nuanced examination

  • @Ok-bk5xx
    @Ok-bk5xx 2 роки тому +7

    I am a Muslim, love to watched your video

  • @HubertofLiege
    @HubertofLiege 2 роки тому +13

    5 points on the star and you only need to “rotate” 20% to be in error. The 80 % door being wide.

  • @shadown5757
    @shadown5757 Рік тому +1

    It is my prayer for the powers of the abyss to absorb and consume all into the void until everything comes back to a state of silence like it was at the beginning 🙏

  • @ea_the_prince_333
    @ea_the_prince_333 8 місяців тому

    Blessings, your words do not fall on deaf ears 💙

  • @ahmaditani8168
    @ahmaditani8168 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you for this. Really illuminating content!
    Is it me or is there some sort of parallel between the cross and the non-inverted pentagram?
    Both, if inverted, are seen as satanic, and the human body can be projected onto both?
    I also see the emmanation/emmergence principle in both symbols, except that in the inverted pentagram, it is more of an illusion of control.

    • @EamonBurke
      @EamonBurke 2 роки тому

      The upside down pentagram is satanic, the upside down cross is anti-christian. 'Satanic' doesn't mean to worship Satan, it means to act as if self-creation is possible. The upside down cross is not an absence of the Good Truth, it is an inverted rejection of the salvation of Christ, it is anti-christ.
      Of course, it can also the the cross of St. Peter. But I assume you mean in our modern context.

  • @robertapostoiu2272
    @robertapostoiu2272 2 роки тому +3

    If you look at the pentagram, inside of it is a pentagon, in which if you unite the dots will became an inverted pentagram, if you unite the dots of the pentagon inside the inverted one you will get an upside pentagram again, so is fractal that goes on forever. This makes me think about, especially that the Tao of Yin Yang represents something like this.
    The Father is a representation of masculine carrying the seed, so I guess it should come first, but once the seed gets into the womb (which I guess you could say it comes second) the child arises. So the two become one again. I had a moment once when I've felt like I was in my mother's womb, something similar, air became like fluid to me and it was so peaceful and I thought then, that we are still inside of a womb now, all of us, waiting to be born as one. Maybe it will be on a higher dimension, and the trinity will be like a shadow, the same way the shadow is the only true 2 dimensionality we have here. For me, this is such a beautiful way to visualize infinity...

  • @DanHowardMtl
    @DanHowardMtl 2 роки тому +3

    It's interesting that the upside-down pentagram also looks like a normal pentagram tilted to the left.

    • @glenholmgren1218
      @glenholmgren1218 2 роки тому +3

      And (not coincidentally) also tilted to the right …
      Just saying - both sides are a distortion of the Total Truth

    • @DanHowardMtl
      @DanHowardMtl 2 роки тому

      @@glenholmgren1218 True. Thanks.

  • @joaol.galdino8738
    @joaol.galdino8738 2 роки тому

    Hello Jonathan! Could you make a video explaining your thoughts on sacred geometry? Also, as a Christian who has been more and more interested in symbology, I wonder where your ideas come from?

    • @Arthur.404
      @Arthur.404 2 роки тому

      There is a reading list on his website.

  • @raninissley9184
    @raninissley9184 2 роки тому +1

    Did anyone else notice that in each star's middle lies a pentagon? The "white magic" star has a pentagon pointing down & the "black magic" star has one pointing up. Reminds me of the dots in the ying yang symbol.

  • @marcosromero4988
    @marcosromero4988 2 роки тому

    Great work. Respect. Thank you.

  • @jeffrobin4581
    @jeffrobin4581 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for making this public

  • @darkjaguar101
    @darkjaguar101 2 роки тому +19

    The lines of the pentagram follow the golden rule (phi) and harmonic scales in music.
    Also the alignment-points between earth and venus form a pentagram.
    So it's highly associated with beauty and balance.

    • @joshualovelace3375
      @joshualovelace3375 2 роки тому +4

      Pythagoreans used the Pentagram for mystical geometry (before middle ages) probably for the reasons listed above.

  • @kostpap3554
    @kostpap3554 2 роки тому +2

    Strangely enough, the northern side is where the Eucharist (namely the Oblation and part of the Divine Liturgy) commences.

  • @Nathan00at78Uuiu
    @Nathan00at78Uuiu 2 роки тому +2

    Was this recorded a while back? In the video you mention it being lent. I was like, did I miss something in the calendar? Hehe

    • @Stevenmulraney
      @Stevenmulraney 2 роки тому +3

      From other comments, it's a patreon video re-published for everyone

  • @thiagonunes4294
    @thiagonunes4294 2 роки тому +4

    "We can then say that the five is the symbol of form, of the schemes seen not by the eyes of the body, but by the eyes of intelligence"

    • @thiagonunes4294
      @thiagonunes4294 2 роки тому

      fig leaves = five lobes

    • @thiagonunes4294
      @thiagonunes4294 2 роки тому +1

      "St. Maximus the Confessor interpretes this passage allegorically, stating that the act of eating the fruit of this tree symbolizes improper usage of one’s senses, which leads to insanity."

  • @mistylawrence6944
    @mistylawrence6944 8 місяців тому

    Im happy to learn that the pentagram if kept in the position that it's supposed to be in is not evil

  • @nateaggie
    @nateaggie 2 роки тому +3

    E Pluribus Unum is basically the motto of the US and was affixed to the Great Seal of the United States from the beginning. That is a bit scary. "Out of many, one."

    • @efleishermedia
      @efleishermedia 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah it's all part of the gnostic and alchemical tradition. It's historical fact that many of the forefathers were part of various secret societies, like Jefferson in the Illuminati. There are letters in the library of Congress from Washington discussing the Illuminati in earnest.
      We can't be sure of much except that these societies came from the alchemical traditions that had to go underground before the Enlightenment.

  • @christopherlamanna2501
    @christopherlamanna2501 2 роки тому +1

    Make a video on the symbolism of alchemy, particularly the “first matter”

  • @man4060
    @man4060 2 роки тому +1

    Is there a good collection of illustrations like the one of the chariot that someone can recommend?

  • @rainwatereric
    @rainwatereric 2 роки тому +3

    You should do a video on Magen David or "star" of David

  • @freecat1278
    @freecat1278 2 роки тому

    If you remove the lowermost point, you can see an inverted pentagram in the Microsoft logo, the remaining points represented by red, blue, green, yellow.

  • @berrus4857
    @berrus4857 2 роки тому

    Great timing. I'm teaching Faust and this will help me to explain why the pentagram is hateful to Mephistopheles.

  • @Sequins_
    @Sequins_ 2 роки тому

    Thank you for what you do!🙏

  • @MJS2376
    @MJS2376 2 роки тому +1

    Not related but related: I want to order t shirts and sweatshirts as gifts on the symbolic world but what's up with the sizing? Which measurement does "width" correspond to - chest? waist?...I can't be the only one with this question - I'm thinking this might be slowing down some orders on these items.

    • @MJS2376
      @MJS2376 2 роки тому

      Update: width = measurement from armpit to armpit. You're welcome 😊

  • @TerminatorT_31
    @TerminatorT_31 2 роки тому +4

    The devil has his hour god has his day

  • @kellymadden2873
    @kellymadden2873 2 роки тому +2

    St. Peter, the head of the Church, asked to be crucified upside down, and was, deeming himself unworthy to be crucifies as Christ was. In addition to that explicit symbolism, does it have other meanings?

  • @riggel8804
    @riggel8804 2 роки тому +15

    Golem from The Lord of the Rings is a symbol of the residue/inverted pentagram. Gandalf repeatedly refused let let people kill Golem despite Golem being evil. Gandalf knew he had some part to play in the story. I wonder if evil in our current culture will destroy itself in a similar, helpful, manner.

    • @strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
      @strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 2 роки тому +7

      Gollum, not golem.

    • @nathankeller256
      @nathankeller256 2 роки тому +11

      Interesting thought. I think evil always brings about its own ruin. But we still need to struggle against it to lessen the damage on this world we've inherited from the Almighty. We still need to be Frodo who endeavor's to take the ring to Mount Doom, even if we fail at the final test, God will find a way to aid us in victory. At least that is what I hope.

    • @riggel8804
      @riggel8804 2 роки тому +4

      @@nathankeller256 well said. I agree. We need to play our part too. Thinking about these things gives me some compassion for evil. It would be miserable to play the part of Golum, or Screwtape or the Devil in the cosmic drama.

    • @riggel8804
      @riggel8804 2 роки тому

      @@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 haha. I gave it my best guess. Thanks for the correction.

    • @nathankeller256
      @nathankeller256 2 роки тому +3

      @@riggel8804 Yeah it is sad when people give themselves over to evil or to crippling doubt.

  • @dvtxrose
    @dvtxrose Рік тому

    Very nicely done thank you

  • @thiagonunes4294
    @thiagonunes4294 2 роки тому +1

    What about the angle of inversion (36 degrees)?

  • @TohnoEn
    @TohnoEn 2 роки тому +1

    Though it looks spooky, that Golden Dawn ritual is actually full of Christian mysticism.
    One of the things they associated the upright pentagram to was the name of Jesus in Hebrew, and they would intone this name while performing rituals.

  • @daryl9366
    @daryl9366 2 роки тому +2

    The symbol that changes depending on how you look at it...i.e on a chain around your neck looking at yourself in the mirror then looking down the chain around your neck and see it differently....a different (left) way to see things if you can pay attention.

  • @Subeffulgent
    @Subeffulgent 2 роки тому

    I make music and sometimes the music I make is good but it's so simple when I make it that it bored me making it and so I try to make it more complicated and then destroy it and then I get to a place where I realize it's simpler easier version as a result of my mastery of making the music was actually better so therefore the pleasure and the challenge of the music was removed and it was no longer fun. I'm sure you feel like that sometimes with your videos. Example I watched this and I thought wow, he's just stating the obvious it's so simple to understand this on a natural level that it would probably be boring to talk about it. Keep up the good work and may God bless you and your family 👉✝✝✝

  • @DinoRamzi
    @DinoRamzi 2 роки тому +1

    I just noticed there is a right-side-up pentagon at the heart of an upside-down pentagram. And vice-versa.

  • @ALXandroATS
    @ALXandroATS 2 роки тому +2

    You don’t have to invert a pentagram to turn it upside down, rotating it plus or minus 36 degrees will give you the same result.

  • @James-px6hp
    @James-px6hp Рік тому

    There is a Presbyterian Church in my town of Port Chalmers, Dunedin- called Iona Church. It too has a beautiful inverted pentagram stained glass window at the rear of the church above the altar. I’ve been wondering why it is there, and unfortunately no one has been able to explain to me the significance of it from a Christian perspective. Since it faces the southwest, this is technically the area of the church that doesn’t see any sunlight so your explanation is the only logical one I have heard so far.

  • @fritzco55
    @fritzco55 2 роки тому

    Question - Is there content on the star of David? I have heard that the source of this symbol is from the old testament tabernacle, that the elements of blood from the sacrifice, fire from the heavens that consumed it when it would be acceptable to God, and then water from the lavar that the priest would essentially baptise themselves in would form the first triangle (could also be the formation of our three primary colors - blood=red, water=blue, fire=yellow). The second triangle is formed from the candlesticks (with 66 bowls, knops and flowers - 22 of each - also representing the Light of the world, the Bible, knowledge of God, etc), the alter of incense, and the table of shewbread... I could go on, however, if there is already a video I would love to hear an additional take... I love this type of content.

  • @rickybaker42
    @rickybaker42 4 місяці тому

    My brother put me on to you Jonathon. He’s a pretty intelligent fellow so I thought I’d give this a go.
    I am classically educated, traditional Roman Catholic and generally a very open minded person. I am also poetic and musical and try very hard to be well rounded. I subscribe to Aristotle and Aquinas in the main though by no means would I say they have all the answers.
    That being said, I am having a hard time following your general approach to the symbolic world. I find the arguments vague and scattered, but my primary objection is that I can’t find objectivity in symbols. I of course see the meanings you point out, but I can often find other meanings, not all of which are compatible with each other, and it leaves me wondering how you favor one meaning over the other. I’m generally left feeling that the whole endeavor is somewhat arbitrary. I’m not saying I don’t believe in symbols, but I’m wondering how useful they really are as a science (classical sense) if they’re not objective. If they are objective, what limitations does the symbolic approach present? More specifically, does the symbolic world welcome other modes of knowing? It seems to me that there is somewhat of an animosity between the symbolic world and modern science.
    My second objection is that I don’t see any causal significance in symbols, and to give them the sort of weight you give them seems to me to be fairly disruptive of the Aristotelian worldview.
    But I admit I’m new and willing to understand better what you’re getting at. If I’m not seeing this rightly, can you suggest a video or podcast or book which might help better understand how this all ties in to the broader picture?
    Thanks and God Bless!

  • @Baiyu83
    @Baiyu83 2 роки тому +15

    Yeah, basically, what is more believable? That there is God, and we were created by Him - or that life just happen to "occur" on its own? But, somehow, by atheist logic, it is we who have to prove something.

    • @tabootrew3281
      @tabootrew3281 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly if we are created creatures then logically we have a Creator

    • @Baiyu83
      @Baiyu83 2 роки тому

      @@jhoughjr1 Only you can't explain how, and won't be able to. Imagine someone saying to you: "If you believe in God, it's pretty obvious that we were created." You don't understand that you are saying the same thing. If something has a chance of happening of 1 in a googolplex, and people think that is what really happened, you can only call that - faith.

  • @michel-jeantailleur
    @michel-jeantailleur 2 роки тому

    Poussin's Plague at Ashdod, which popped up here, would be worth a 20 minute video of symbolic elucidation.

  • @James-ml9uq
    @James-ml9uq Місяць тому

    The star could represent the sun. The star facing up is the rising sun (light/day) and the upside down star is the falling sun (darkness/night)

  • @muadek
    @muadek 2 роки тому +1

    That pentagram in the the church window really shocked me :O

    • @luciparadise6781
      @luciparadise6781 2 роки тому

      It kinda made sense once explained. Still unsettling though.

    • @vegan_guac
      @vegan_guac Рік тому

      Why? It was a symbol for Christianity for a while at the beginning.

    • @ashantigardner3182
      @ashantigardner3182 Рік тому

      @@vegan_guac ya but now that its mainly associated with black magic and satanicness it's unsettling.

  • @VidBint
    @VidBint 9 місяців тому

    That last bit was very encouraging to me as a former atheist-turned New Ager who is now returning to Christ.

  • @shadowzero3983
    @shadowzero3983 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the Intel, I'm an Atheist and wanted to check if my pentagram necklace bumps with the lack of my believe, wouldn't wanna give anyone the wrong idea.
    Contractory to some believe I'm actually really interested in mythology, religious or otherwise I just don't take that stuff as serious or literal as you. Good video ✌🏻

  • @simply3141592654
    @simply3141592654 Рік тому

    Check out the book by Robert Bennett - I am Not Afraid and his companion Afraid.

  • @BookofAkathists
    @BookofAkathists 2 роки тому +1

    I could spot a 666 a mile away as a kid and despaired. Now I see the symbolic world and get giddy.

    • @uwehuber5018
      @uwehuber5018 Рік тому

      u r 1 in a million , who can see !

  • @joshualovelace3375
    @joshualovelace3375 2 роки тому +5

    “There is something which unites magic and applied science (technology) while separating them from the "wisdom" of earlier ages. For the wise men of old, the cardinal problem of human life was how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution was wisdom, self-discipline, and virtue. For the modern, the cardinal problem is how to conform reality to the wishes of man, and the solution is a technique.” -CS Lewis

  • @randomuserame
    @randomuserame 2 роки тому +3

    Wait so opposing the government on jabs is inverted pentagram thinking?
    Well call me a sinner then.

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 2 роки тому +1

      It's the new (state) religion now.
      So repent your sin!
      Wear 18 masks, while distancing yourself 666feet.

  • @lorettagallegos2558
    @lorettagallegos2558 Рік тому

    Good Teacher. Thank You

  • @jacques3402
    @jacques3402 2 роки тому +2

    I found it interesting his comment on democracy. I wonder what would be its proper replacement (for the world in its corrupted state, not in an ideal state).

  • @joelgirma7533
    @joelgirma7533 2 роки тому

    very interesting video

  • @griffbennett8882
    @griffbennett8882 Рік тому

    The inverted pentagram has always meant rock n' roll to me. So, this makes sense in a way. Thank you for sharing.

  • @tabootrew3281
    @tabootrew3281 2 роки тому

    Perfectly articulated 🙌

  • @Eng_Simoes
    @Eng_Simoes 2 роки тому +2

    I'd like to see a comparison with the six presented in the star of Israel

  • @robertruppell735
    @robertruppell735 Рік тому

    Thank you sir! Brilliant. 🙏🏻

  • @leeroy3440
    @leeroy3440 Рік тому

    Great explanations

  • @lambknot
    @lambknot 2 роки тому +1

    A lot of my favorite bands use it, black metal bands from Norway/Scandinavia. I don't buy much into it but cool looking imagery.

  • @mercurymachines4311
    @mercurymachines4311 2 роки тому

    Have you seen ‘The Green Knight’ yet? I’d love to see your take on the film.

  • @WillEnd96
    @WillEnd96 2 роки тому +7

    Love this, but it got me thinking: could an inverted pentagram, when stripped off of its Satanic connotations, ever describe a just struggle against (devilish) tyranny? I say this because I heard Jonathan speak of how an inverted pentagram is the symbol of defiance of something which is above oneself. And of course, in relation to our times, I'm sure many of us have felt out of place even for things as simple as telling the truth or defending all stages and forms of human life. Would that mean we stand closer to the inverted pentagram rather than the straight pentagram in those ocasions?
    Thank you.

    • @EmilyMottesheard
      @EmilyMottesheard 2 роки тому +5

      Symbols are ultimately what you make them. Some ‘edgy’ goths and satanists like to wear upside down crosses as a sign of them mocking Christianity, however in Orthodox and Catholic traditions the upside down cross is a symbol of Saint Peter (he was crucified upside down in his martyrdom) so you will see Catholic Christians wearing an upside down cross in memory of Peter’s sacrifice for the early church.

    • @WillEnd96
      @WillEnd96 2 роки тому +1

      @@EmilyMottesheard That makes sense. I had read a bit about St. Peter's Cross as well, I feel that one's an even more blatant subversion of an otherwise benign symbol.

    • @EamonBurke
      @EamonBurke 2 роки тому +7

      Peter cut the ear off a soldier who came to arrest Christ and was reminded that He did not come to lead a rebellion.
      No, the temptation to fight fire with fire must never be succumbed to. Instead we must wait for a miracle at times, to not defeat our enemies but overcome them, which you do with love, patience, long-suffering, and truth.
      This is the value of symbols like this: they act as what we would call "accountability partners" or "rules of thumb" or "role models". When you see how much you align with the point at the bottom, you know you aren't oriented rightly, even though it seems right at the time. There is a way that seems right to a man, but it's end is destruction.
      Keep your point up.

    • @farmschoolchicks1913
      @farmschoolchicks1913 2 роки тому

      Telling the truth and fighting for the lives of others are things that are above you. They are values, ideals that many must work towards to create a greater “spirit” or attitude in a society. This would be many elements working towards a higher purpose and thus, still, an upright pentagram.

    • @farmschoolchicks1913
      @farmschoolchicks1913 2 роки тому

      If you think of the the four sideways points as material, and the fifth point (either up or down) as the spiritual then you can place different situations on it accordingly. If the situation starts in the spirit of the individual and ends in the material world it is upside down. If the situation starts in the material of the world and leads to unity with the spiritual it is upright.
      Or you can look at each of the four points as pieces of a whole, and fifth directional point as the representation of the whole. So, an upside down pentagram would represent the things that require breaking the whole apart; and, the upright pentagram would represent the things that require uniting different pieces together.

  • @soapmode
    @soapmode 2 роки тому

    Does the Monadology of John Dee and the notion of the 'quaternary in the ternary', the 4 in the 3, relate to the Pentagram?

  • @evanpax8585
    @evanpax8585 2 місяці тому

    E uno plura - “from one many” vs
    e pluribus unum - “from many one”

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 2 роки тому +2

    "truth will always win in the end"
    yet the lies keep on coming. What does winning _look like_ because I don't know how to recognize it anymore.

    • @Ameretat010
      @Ameretat010 2 роки тому +6

      "Winning" looks like the icon of the Anastasis, or "Harrowing of Hades". And it sounds like this: "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death, by death and to those in the tombs bestowing life."

    • @HubertofLiege
      @HubertofLiege 2 роки тому +2

      Everybody dies. You’ll find out then

  • @shakazulu3594
    @shakazulu3594 5 місяців тому

    Madonna uses an inverted pentagram above a cross in her performance of Die Another Day in her Celebration Tour. She is also dressed in all black with a wide brimmed black hat.🤔

  • @choppyaussemsadventuressta3363
    @choppyaussemsadventuressta3363 2 роки тому

    Love this guy! 🙏🏻