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Hey Camel! I didn't know if you've noticed before or not so I thought I'd inform you: My comment on this video just got a reply by a spam channel with your profile picture saying "text for a prize" and such! I hope everything is okay (By the way--i was mad speculating who the mystery god was before I clicked this... Total disbelief as I'd never even heard of Ius!)
Yes there were giant spiders like that that existed on earth once but they went extinct 300 hundred million years ago in the Carboniferous period. (Yes I do know this was a joke)
@@lifeonlockdown7818 Wait really? I have arachnophobia, but im still curious to research that. I never knew there were ancient species of giant spider.
So, Skyrim villagers rallying around to avenge the chicken the Dragonborn accidentally kicked is clearly out of fear that the chicken is going to summon Ius
Note: I still need to finish the video, but. "If it's in the game, it's canon" doesn't mean Ius is canon, it means the book is canon. But Wombats ARE canon because they are in the book. Reason: They are not explained in the book, meaning that the reader would know what is meant.
That’s like saying unicorns are real because I don’t have to explain what I mean when I say it. Something can exist within the collective consciousness without existing in reality.
With the scales, it likely alludes to his methods of retribution. It's balanced, even, and eye for eye. The farmer is killing and eating thoughtlessly, so he is killed and eaten without thought. The wombat is tormented and attacked, unable to leave for the thing he wants (the princess) so therefore, the king is trapped tormented and eventually maimed for his want (a business that will never leave)
I’m taking a leap of faith here, but what if Ius is a Demi Prince sired by Hircine and a Bosmer woman? That might explain his apparent ties to the green pact, whilst also explaining his animalistic form and seemingly divine powers. Another thing is that, like you said, Ius wields and scale, representing balance and fairness, which is another parallel to Hircine, having eaten the ungrateful farmer for overreaching his bounds as “hunter”, and that also ties into the Green Pact (or a violation of it), where that same farmer killed needlessly and without thought, leading to his demise being the same; the same can also be said about the King’s abuse of Wombats, leading to Ius’ retribution being a match to the King’s treatment of them, whilst also following that Green Pact Rule of not letting meat go to waste.
I'm surprised you didn't mention it, the best theory I know is that Ius is just a form of Sheogorath. Think about it, his story is completely crazy, and the writer seems to express things that aren't ever actually done in Elder Scrolls lore, like talking to animals. He says he "knows a racoon", the story of the Wombat has people growing drugs and getting cursed to say "hmm, precisely". Seems like the best way to connect Ius to the modern lore is to say it's just another random and crazy way for Sheogorath to appear, answering the prayers of cows and giving Wombats powers
I feel that a lot of people lean on that too much. "It's Sheogorath" is the Elder Scrolls equivalent of Simulation Theory in real life. Anything can be explained by it, it requires no actual evidence so much as just feeling something doesn't make sense, etc. Well that and "Dragonbreak!". There was one because Bethesda is absolutely terrified of setting up any sort of canonical character and they had multiple endings so they needed a complete cluster crap to explain how everyone's run was "canon". But some people seem to suggest any inconsistency with events is also a Dragonbreak. When it might just be inconsistent writers, changing lore retcons, or someone just didn't properly look something up and correct it (like Mankar Camoran's speech in Oblivion where he misnames the Princes and their Planes, which was just a writer scribbling something out quick for the draft and no one corrected it). I just wish it was done tighter. But with the nature of how the first game came out, and the trappings carried over to the second where they actually started caring about any lore was... always going to make it difficult. But in particular as Ius came from that time where the lore was basically "an excuse to do the most generic plot structure possible, hurry up we have to get this out of the door hopefully in time for... dammit we missed the Christmas Season mark!"... it feels awkward to try to connect it to the later Daggerfall lore onward where Divines and Daedra came to be. I'm more inclined to lump them in with the God Seth or the like from Arena. Never mentioned again and hard ignored by everything else. Likely a passing cult/fad from a short period of time that got a "Flavor of the Decade" sort of hysteria around it perhaps. Like the Franciscan Flagellant Friars of Frankfurt (well Germany in General, alliteration is always awesome).
His attribute is a pair of flaming, golden scales, which I believe is significant because "Ius" is Latin for "Law" or "Right." Ius the Highly Agitated and his scales may represent a lesser-known aspect of Sheogorath, and of madness. He could be a hot-blooded vigilante, or a judge who has become addled with power. He could represent an inversion of rational justice, which is associated with humanity, so he is instead a champion of beasts.
Dude, Bethesda needs to give you, and the guys at Fudge Muppet a kick ass quest dedicated to you all. Thank you for digging so deeply into the games, to keep my love for TES going. You guys are legends written in the stars above Tamriel.
Hell Yeah! I listen to these UA-cam Podcasts from all these channels so much, it's become like a fictional universe in my head Outside of the games too! Like a Lore thing, but real and you know always available just like the real lore of Planet Earth. This winter I spent dozens of hours (I counted) listening to videos of TES stuff walking in the snow outside with some green. It was great. Learned alot more lore from these videos than you do ingame. And I loved listening to Mankar Camoran videos in particular while climbing big mountain banks of snow from the Plows. The Realm of Dawn's Beauty should be the name of our own world too!
The Augur Of Dunlain video was 3 years ago ALREADY?!?!? Man time flies. Well here goes my afternoon. Thank you Camel for keeping TES content coming. Bethesda should give you a the Fudgemuppets you're own cameo in TES 6 for how much you all are committed 👍😊
Based on his carrying of scales and association with nature, and his being a demi-prince making more sense than any other known thing in TES, I'd guess Ius may have been the son of Peryite. Peryite is known to manage nature along with his more commonly shown disease-making, so it makes more thematic sense that Ius would be related to him than with the other princes.
Yeah, Peryite definitely seems to be the most fitting father for Ius. It would fit even more if Ius was described as being more rat-like since Peryite being a daedric prince of disease naturally has a soft spot for vermin like rats, with skeevers being a sacred animal to the prince.
@@smuggrog9821 Based on his only visual depiction, it's hard to be sure if he looks like a rodent or a feline. It's entirely possible that he is a rat thing.
Anyone called "the extremely agitated" DEFINITELY needs more screen time. And they probably have siblings "the mildly inconvenienced", "the non-plussed", "the generally groovy", the "cautiously optimistic", and the "too damned happy". Obviously they are divine beings from the beast races that have sonce disappeared from Tamriel. As an aside, we need to find out more about this demi-god of pastries. Perhaps we can finally have a divine reckoning against the one who keeps stealing our sweet rolls
For obscure beings, don't forget Vernaccus, The Elusive Beast, The Unpursuable One, He Who Cannot Be Touched, The Bane of Kynareth. I'm not just suggesting him because I was part of a team in 2020 that created a Morrowind mod in which the player becomes the Champion of Vernaccus, rebuilds one of his shrines, and eventually mantles his power.
Seems most princes could be at least in part responsible for sireing him, though most have realms in violence. Most interesting would be Sheogorath as his tale has enough touch of madness to be something of his. Even more interesting I think would be the reachmen version of Namira. Specifically the story of an entire town cannibalizing itself....instead of just breaking a wall to escape....it sounds like a curse Namira would do and making a small creature like a wombat her chosen lines with the reachmen calling her the Children's God because she is the God of small creatures, specifically pests but we don't know that a wombat in TES isn't considered a pest like a rat is for example. It just seems weird to me that everyone in these stories is consumed.
I'm convinced that the Talking Mudcrab Merchant was an ironic punishment bestowed upon somebody by Ius. If this is at all able to made into a video I'd love to see it
I believe that Ius is a remnant of the 12 Worlds of Creation from before the creation of Nirn. Just as the Hist were from their own world, I believe Ius was a deity that existed on a world that was just populated by animals.
Im getting strong inspired-by-Pratchett vibes off of that book. “Faster than a very fast thing” and a silly god that at first look makes me think of Herne the hunted.
I like the idea of Ius being a Demi-prince son of Hircine, but I feel something was lost in not linking him with Clavicus Vile. For start his staff looks very much like scales used in bartering and it would also explain somewhat why, of all things, the gate of Rockcreek is blocked by a store. (Something I would expect from a son of the Daedra of Bargains) Also we have the fact that a part of Clavicus’s power is in Barbus, who usually takes the form of a dog, something I see Ius looking a bit like.
Your rant about the gods reminded me of when I first learned the Forsworn worship the old gods, I was so excited to learn about these new deities until I found out they're just the daedra
Ius is obviously a werewombat of godlike powers. He might seem agitated, just like a wombat would be but just like wombats he just likes to do godlike zoomies and headbutts which could result in evil farmers exploding.
Putting an immovable shop right in front of a city gate to mess with the royal family sounds like a Clavicus Vile -level prank, so with that, plus the red eyes, fiery staff thing, and eagerness to eat people, I'm inclined to think Ius is some form of daedric entity. And given the (admittedly very flexible) rule of "2 Daedric Lords per 1 Aedric Divine," we're short a Daedric Prince or two. I could totally buy into a theory that Ius is one of those missing Daedric Princes. He would give Hircine an appropriate rival, just like how Molag Bal and Meridia don't get along.
Daggerfall - the point where myth began to take shape. Alas, that shape is very much a square shape in a round Oblivion Gate. As for a topic I'd like to see in future, I would like to know how you think the Thalmor rectify the defeat of Umaril the Unfeathered. After all there are eye-witnesses to the event, but Umaril could not be defeated by the *8* Divine. In the Thalmor propaganda machine, is Umaril still alive and well? If he couldn't be defeated by the 8 Divines, where is he?
Camel never misses. Incredible videos and detective work every time. I have never, ever, ever heard about this before, and I'm usually pretty clued in to ES lore
I knew as soon as you mentioned wombats and Ius in the interview with Ted Peterson that this video was only inevitable, and I was not let down by its viewing.
So there's a semi-rare concept within fantasy stories of gods of animals, not as in gods whose sphere is animals, but gods that are almost or entirely worshipped exclusively by animals. A good example of this is Jhabbal Sag of Conan. I've always looked at Ius as that.
On the note of talking animals, in ESO there's a group called the Blackfeather Court which are just a bunch of talking crows that were hatched by a Hagraven. I believe there is also a pet in ESO that has some lore that says they've been witnessed speaking their own language but I can't remember for the life of me if I'm mixing something up. Edit: Yeah, mixing stuff up but the talking crows are a thing albiet not sure what that means lore-wise regarding animals speaking as a whole in TES. lmfao
He could be a mirror of Iffry. Like Shagorath type thing. It's not like Iffry jumps in every time a Forrest is cut. Could just be a really minor prince, but still a prince, who has a red pact and his only worshippers are some animals, thus why he isn't super strong but still strong enough.
Great video Camel, blows my mind on how much detail you go into in your videos, and your cinematography is top quality love the way you put your videos together, keep up the awesome work,
I'm sorry but this is the hands down best piece of Elder Scrolls trivia I have ever learned. the very first book was a bit of crack-writing to explain a bug? fucking hysterical. I love it.
Honestly, it'd be cool if Ius got something of a comeback in some sort of Elder Scrolls title, either in the form of fictional acknowledging (the book he's in reappearing in the next Elder Scrolls or in an ESO expansion) or outright being included in a quest. I could easily imagine Ius being a cousin or aspect of Yffre and the Earthbones but one dedicated to either animalkind or the eye-for-an-eye concept.
Currently doing an orc vampire playthrough, his name is Azog the conqueror(a hobbit reference) and he hails from dushnikh yal. At first he set out to join the imperial legion as a way to amass power but during the turmoil he grew stagnant as he remained, it didn’t take long for him to crave more and so he set out to the college of winterhold to learn about destruction and conjugation magics, until one fateful day when he came across a vampire woman who led him to finding his true power, the one he had been seeking for so long, the vampire lord. With this he grew ever more powerful and winning more battles. His journey continues now as he takes on the dragon priests to claim their masks. And yet something darker is beginning to call him…
How cool! He turned a bug into a super interesting story that still persists as somewhat mysterious even now. Ive never played daggerfall or arena but id imagine those shopkeepers were really creepy, maybe even an aspect of ius I really hope they bring ius back, if nothing else expand on his mysterious lore in some books. Maybe ius could be an extension of a pre-existing “god” or maybe he could just be his own mysterious entity. Regardless i think this book needs some love for being the firsf one in an elder scrolls game. I also wonder if ius’ writer watched this, if he did it mustve been pretty cool to see so many people ponder over his obscure story
The fact that Ius has reality-bending powers this side of the Dragonfires is OP as fuck I just imagine Mehrunes Dagon invading again only to get his giant red ass kneecapped by an irritated Ius screaming wombat gibberish at the top of his lungs. Bro just gets to be the DoodleBob Squarepants of the Elder Scrolls
I haven't played ESO since the end of the 2022 storyline. I know the Necrom expansion is about Hermaeus Mora, but is there another prince involved? I know they introduced a new Prince-less plane with Fargrave, which I thought was pretty cool. The huge skeletons are left vague enough where you can play around with some fun ideas regarding the Princes and forgotten deadra. But I also agree with Redoran that a lot of ESO's lore can be contradictory and lazy
@@DMIwriter Yes it would appear there is a daedric prince called “Ithelia”. They’re labeled the prince of paths, the unseen & unknowable, with a unique skill to change the course of destiny & fate, due to not being bound by it. The rest of the pantheon, led by Hermaeus Mora, contained them somehow & erased their existence from history.
This was such an awesome video! I learned a lot not just about Ius but I learned a bit more about the lore as well thank you for all your hard work Camel ❤
To me, it seems like Ius is specifically a God of Intelligent Beasts. Every story we have of him involves an animal of abnormally high intelligence, and while two stories isn't much to go off, we've made educated guesses with less. He also specifically seems to abhor unnecessary cruelty, and only offers help when asked, though he doesn't seem overly concerned with the survival of his charges, since both stories end with the assisted animal being eaten anyway. The wombat being his sacred animal seems to reinforce this perception of his character, considering that wombats have something of a reputation of offering shelter to other animals during disasters despite being fairly aggressive in their own way.
What if Ius is tied to Sheogorath somehow? He holds scales - a balance, and Sheogorath was once the daedric prince of order. He's also a rat and Sheogorath loves cheese. What if he was a servant of Jyggalag who was cursed much like his master? Him not liking the wasteful killing of animals could be because it upsets the natural balance of life, not because he's necessarily caring towards the animals (which could explain why he let his "sacred" wombat die). He also placed a shop in front of the gate which made people go mad - why'd they go mad? There's never just one entrance to a town or city, couldn't they just leave another way? The tale itself is mad enough to make me feel like Sheogorath had a hand. Then there's also the fact that he seems to be able to act in the mortal world without much problem - as far as I know, the only other Daedric prince really capable of that is Sheogorath. Also, what if people couldn't talk to the wombat, but they simply thought it talked to them? They could just be insane. Other thought would be he could be tied to Clavicus Vile. He has a talking dog as a part of himself, so a talking animal isn't out of the question, and he has the power to grant requests, but they never turn out the way you wish them to. It's not unreasonable that he would have even helped the animal that prayed to Ius to save him from the farmer, as all it really did was just make sure that particular farmer didn't kill him (since he was apparently eaten later), and we don't know if the animal owed anything to Ius over it.
At some time in the past your videos were a part of my daily routine and yet i still enjoy every second of them thank you for the great work and efforts you put in these videos because it's not easy to keep them at high level. I hope we see a detective video about Falion of Morthal i think he might have some secrets to be discovered.
Interesting video 👍 I always enjoy learning about the stranger early mythology of elder scrolls lore. The one thing that caught my attention was that crying Madonna figure, how is it that she's not another name for kyne? A weeping mother that creates the rain is a defining characteristic of kyne. I would be interested in why the two deities aren't considered the same.
22:13 There's some examples of talking to animals in ESO. I can't think of the exact circumstances, but there's a handful of occurrences of animal communication. Usually it's druid and wyress characters. There's also a parrot in Redguard you can talk to, but it's just like any other parrot, so nothing supernatural.
There’s also Daedric Lords, at least that’s what I think they’re called, basically lesser Daedric Princes, often under Daedric Princes, such as a Daedric Lord of Fishing under Hircine. Maybe Ius is a Daedric Lord, possibly under Kyne or Yiffre or, as other comments have suggested, Sheogorath or the Reachmen version of Namira!
Bloody hell Camel, videos like this remind me of why I love the elder scrolls and your channel. So obscure but so interesting, actually made me load up an old arena and daggerfall save to check Rockgrove
now i want books like Ius and some works by Kirkbride (that are available for free i mean) to be put into actual books in a mod and have them be added to the dragonborn museum
I was reading all the books in Daggerfall a few months ago, thanks for the vid, hopefully this’ll shed light on some of the crazy stuff in Daggerfall lore
I just discovered you as I happen to be currently deep diving into Elder Scrolls lore. This was really cool and interesting. I do hope we get at least some more mentions or small cameos of the obscure deities. I subscribed ❤
The fact that fans of the games know more about them then the people who made them is hilarious. And it's basically true about every single developer, save for Kirkbride. He knows some things that if he told them to us, our brains would melt.
My guy took one book with little more than a passing reference to a being and made an hour long video from it. Brilliant! Edit: also theory: what if Hircine is perpetually hunting Ius?
Yes! I knew you were going to to talk about Ius. I love how they introduced a god into the lore in order to rationalize a gameplay bug that happened in Rockpark in TES: Arena.
Going off your idea of Ius being Hircine related, what if we made him a vengeful enforcer of captive animals seeing the slaughter of pets and the like as warranting his wrath which coincidentally is punishing the perp for their act of betrayal which is the sphere of Mephala. Edit: Kynareth is also a good option, also in Oblivion one of the trials in the Knight's of the Nine require you to engage a bear without fighting back which could also tie to the idea of Ius only acting in response to dishonorable and deceitful killing of animals.
it would be cool in Elder Scrolls 6 if they added a statue of Ius or a shrine that gave the player a quest to track down the last remaining wombats in Tamriel and take them to the shrine of Ius to save the dying species to get his flaming scales as a weapon
Those arent scales he is carrying, they're weights💪. Ius is clearly a very dedicated gigachad who takes no shit from no one. especially when it comes to matters of animals
I really like how the demi-prince origin explains the sacred talking wombat - the animal would simply be a distant descendant of Ius, gaining the capacity for human speech from its daedric ancestry, and Ius would naturally share a connection with his progeny.
This is wonderful! That basically a joke (kind of) turned out to be necessary to explain one of the multitudinous Bethesda bugs that plague the game. By the way, you always do an absolutely stupendous job with these videos. I always learn a great many new details about the Elder Scrolls with every video of yours that I watch. Thank you kindly.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:40 - Many Gods Of The Elder Scrolls
04:38 - Ius, The Extremely Agitated, God of Animals
06:02 - Daggerfall Story Book
10:08 - Ted Peterson Interview & The Funny Backstory of Ius
13:58 - Why Things Like Ius Are Important For TES Lore
16:05 - What Is Ius?
18:43 - Lycanthropes
19:55 - Hircine, The Master of Beasts
20:45 - The Green Pact / Treaty of Frond and Leaf
25:17 - Kyne / Kynareth, Mother of Men & Beasts
26:52 - The Many Obscure Gods of The Elder Scrolls
32:00 - The Bosmeri Wild Hunt
39:51 - Daedric Demi-Princes
47:54 - The Celestial Mage
49:06 - Retcon Rant
50:36 - Outro
I think that the next elder scrolls game should highlight the downfall of the thalmor and the Reformation of the empire by the dragonborn
I am disapointed in your careless fracing. The god is not 'in the game and therefore cannon' only the book about him is.
How about a CCC video on the western gash region in morrowind could do a comparison between eso and tes 3
I need a video on Ebon arm he's awesome it brings much pain to know he's gone. 😢
Hey Camel! I didn't know if you've noticed before or not so I thought I'd inform you:
My comment on this video just got a reply by a spam channel with your profile picture saying "text for a prize" and such!
I hope everything is okay
(By the way--i was mad speculating who the mystery god was before I clicked this... Total disbelief as I'd never even heard of Ius!)
I'm so sick of Camel claiming there's no Australian animals in elder scrolls, i distinctly remember 6 foot tall spiders in Skyrim.
Yes there were giant spiders like that that existed on earth once but they went extinct 300 hundred million years ago in the Carboniferous period. (Yes I do know this was a joke)
Morrowind is australia
Any Roos?
Magpies and cliff racers are basically the same animal
@@lifeonlockdown7818 Wait really? I have arachnophobia, but im still curious to research that. I never knew there were ancient species of giant spider.
So, Skyrim villagers rallying around to avenge the chicken the Dragonborn accidentally kicked is clearly out of fear that the chicken is going to summon Ius
Lmao the "who, unlike me, cannot be pegged" got me, nice
I was going to comment this too! I laughed way harder at that than I should have!
There's also "Willie the bitten" later :D
I choked and had to pause the video
@@dreamiblu So, you need something to Chok'on, huh?
Note: I still need to finish the video, but.
"If it's in the game, it's canon" doesn't mean Ius is canon, it means the book is canon.
But Wombats ARE canon because they are in the book.
Reason: They are not explained in the book, meaning that the reader would know what is meant.
That’s like saying unicorns are real because I don’t have to explain what I mean when I say it. Something can exist within the collective consciousness without existing in reality.
@@MrMessiah2013 You Do Realize that in the world of the Elder Scrolls, Unicorns are real, Right?
And In our world Unicorns are a reference to Rhinos.
With the scales, it likely alludes to his methods of retribution. It's balanced, even, and eye for eye.
The farmer is killing and eating thoughtlessly, so he is killed and eaten without thought.
The wombat is tormented and attacked, unable to leave for the thing he wants (the princess) so therefore, the king is trapped tormented and eventually maimed for his want (a business that will never leave)
I’m taking a leap of faith here, but what if Ius is a Demi Prince sired by Hircine and a Bosmer woman? That might explain his apparent ties to the green pact, whilst also explaining his animalistic form and seemingly divine powers. Another thing is that, like you said, Ius wields and scale, representing balance and fairness, which is another parallel to Hircine, having eaten the ungrateful farmer for overreaching his bounds as “hunter”, and that also ties into the Green Pact (or a violation of it), where that same farmer killed needlessly and without thought, leading to his demise being the same; the same can also be said about the King’s abuse of Wombats, leading to Ius’ retribution being a match to the King’s treatment of them, whilst also following that Green Pact Rule of not letting meat go to waste.
Further supported by the fact that Ius means „law“ in Latin. Certainly matches the scales.
@@dogbiscuits752 better yet: instead of a normal bosmer woman, Hircine made love to the shifting ooze-beast
@@Makujah_ So, the Bosmer before Y'ffre ripped off Azura and did it wrong?
@@neoqwerty So Chimer were shifting armorfous beings?
Can we please get a series that talks about the other obscure gods like this one?!?!
I'm surprised you didn't mention it, the best theory I know is that Ius is just a form of Sheogorath. Think about it, his story is completely crazy, and the writer seems to express things that aren't ever actually done in Elder Scrolls lore, like talking to animals. He says he "knows a racoon", the story of the Wombat has people growing drugs and getting cursed to say "hmm, precisely". Seems like the best way to connect Ius to the modern lore is to say it's just another random and crazy way for Sheogorath to appear, answering the prayers of cows and giving Wombats powers
I feel that a lot of people lean on that too much. "It's Sheogorath" is the Elder Scrolls equivalent of Simulation Theory in real life. Anything can be explained by it, it requires no actual evidence so much as just feeling something doesn't make sense, etc.
Well that and "Dragonbreak!". There was one because Bethesda is absolutely terrified of setting up any sort of canonical character and they had multiple endings so they needed a complete cluster crap to explain how everyone's run was "canon". But some people seem to suggest any inconsistency with events is also a Dragonbreak. When it might just be inconsistent writers, changing lore retcons, or someone just didn't properly look something up and correct it (like Mankar Camoran's speech in Oblivion where he misnames the Princes and their Planes, which was just a writer scribbling something out quick for the draft and no one corrected it).
I just wish it was done tighter. But with the nature of how the first game came out, and the trappings carried over to the second where they actually started caring about any lore was... always going to make it difficult.
But in particular as Ius came from that time where the lore was basically "an excuse to do the most generic plot structure possible, hurry up we have to get this out of the door hopefully in time for... dammit we missed the Christmas Season mark!"... it feels awkward to try to connect it to the later Daggerfall lore onward where Divines and Daedra came to be. I'm more inclined to lump them in with the God Seth or the like from Arena. Never mentioned again and hard ignored by everything else. Likely a passing cult/fad from a short period of time that got a "Flavor of the Decade" sort of hysteria around it perhaps. Like the Franciscan Flagellant Friars of Frankfurt (well Germany in General, alliteration is always awesome).
His attribute is a pair of flaming, golden scales, which I believe is significant because "Ius" is Latin for "Law" or "Right."
Ius the Highly Agitated and his scales may represent a lesser-known aspect of Sheogorath, and of madness. He could be a hot-blooded vigilante, or a judge who has become addled with power. He could represent an inversion of rational justice, which is associated with humanity, so he is instead a champion of beasts.
Dude, Bethesda needs to give you, and the guys at Fudge Muppet a kick ass quest dedicated to you all.
Thank you for digging so deeply into the games, to keep my love for TES going. You guys are legends written in the stars above Tamriel.
Hell Yeah! I listen to these UA-cam Podcasts from all these channels so much, it's become like a fictional universe in my head Outside of the games too! Like a Lore thing, but real and you know always available just like the real lore of Planet Earth. This winter I spent dozens of hours (I counted) listening to videos of TES stuff walking in the snow outside with some green. It was great. Learned alot more lore from these videos than you do ingame. And I loved listening to Mankar Camoran videos in particular while climbing big mountain banks of snow from the Plows. The Realm of Dawn's Beauty should be the name of our own world too!
Epic Nate also gets lore to deserve that honour
They could be a group of historians that give out quests, or part of a joinable guild that explores and recovers artifacts and ancient texts
@@woohoomusic5098 that would be really cool
An NPC named "Kamil" (instead of Camel)
The Augur Of Dunlain video was 3 years ago ALREADY?!?!? Man time flies. Well here goes my afternoon. Thank you Camel for keeping TES content coming. Bethesda should give you a the Fudgemuppets you're own cameo in TES 6 for how much you all are committed 👍😊
I member the curating holds tine flies
Based on his carrying of scales and association with nature, and his being a demi-prince making more sense than any other known thing in TES, I'd guess Ius may have been the son of Peryite. Peryite is known to manage nature along with his more commonly shown disease-making, so it makes more thematic sense that Ius would be related to him than with the other princes.
Yeah, Peryite definitely seems to be the most fitting father for Ius. It would fit even more if Ius was described as being more rat-like since Peryite being a daedric prince of disease naturally has a soft spot for vermin like rats, with skeevers being a sacred animal to the prince.
@@smuggrog9821 Based on his only visual depiction, it's hard to be sure if he looks like a rodent or a feline. It's entirely possible that he is a rat thing.
Anyone called "the extremely agitated" DEFINITELY needs more screen time.
And they probably have siblings "the mildly inconvenienced", "the non-plussed", "the generally groovy", the "cautiously optimistic", and the "too damned happy".
Obviously they are divine beings from the beast races that have sonce disappeared from Tamriel.
As an aside, we need to find out more about this demi-god of pastries. Perhaps we can finally have a divine reckoning against the one who keeps stealing our sweet rolls
For obscure beings, don't forget Vernaccus, The Elusive Beast, The Unpursuable One, He Who Cannot Be Touched, The Bane of Kynareth. I'm not just suggesting him because I was part of a team in 2020 that created a Morrowind mod in which the player becomes the Champion of Vernaccus, rebuilds one of his shrines, and eventually mantles his power.
That book Vernaccus & Bourlor is one of my favorite pieces of text in the games
Seems most princes could be at least in part responsible for sireing him, though most have realms in violence. Most interesting would be Sheogorath as his tale has enough touch of madness to be something of his. Even more interesting I think would be the reachmen version of Namira. Specifically the story of an entire town cannibalizing itself....instead of just breaking a wall to escape....it sounds like a curse Namira would do and making a small creature like a wombat her chosen lines with the reachmen calling her the Children's God because she is the God of small creatures, specifically pests but we don't know that a wombat in TES isn't considered a pest like a rat is for example. It just seems weird to me that everyone in these stories is consumed.
Not necessarily, what is nature but not a competition to survive?
I'm convinced that the Talking Mudcrab Merchant was an ironic punishment bestowed upon somebody by Ius. If this is at all able to made into a video I'd love to see it
I believe that Ius is a remnant of the 12 Worlds of Creation from before the creation of Nirn. Just as the Hist were from their own world, I believe Ius was a deity that existed on a world that was just populated by animals.
Im getting strong inspired-by-Pratchett vibes off of that book. “Faster than a very fast thing” and a silly god that at first look makes me think of Herne the hunted.
I like the idea of Ius being a Demi-prince son of Hircine, but I feel something was lost in not linking him with Clavicus Vile.
For start his staff looks very much like scales used in bartering and it would also explain somewhat why, of all things, the gate of Rockcreek is blocked by a store. (Something I would expect from a son of the Daedra of Bargains)
Also we have the fact that a part of Clavicus’s power is in Barbus, who usually takes the form of a dog, something I see Ius looking a bit like.
Your rant about the gods reminded me of when I first learned the Forsworn worship the old gods, I was so excited to learn about these new deities until I found out they're just the daedra
Ius is obviously a werewombat of godlike powers. He might seem agitated, just like a wombat would be but just like wombats he just likes to do godlike zoomies and headbutts which could result in evil farmers exploding.
Putting an immovable shop right in front of a city gate to mess with the royal family sounds like a Clavicus Vile -level prank, so with that, plus the red eyes, fiery staff thing, and eagerness to eat people, I'm inclined to think Ius is some form of daedric entity.
And given the (admittedly very flexible) rule of "2 Daedric Lords per 1 Aedric Divine," we're short a Daedric Prince or two. I could totally buy into a theory that Ius is one of those missing Daedric Princes. He would give Hircine an appropriate rival, just like how Molag Bal and Meridia don't get along.
Daggerfall - the point where myth began to take shape. Alas, that shape is very much a square shape in a round Oblivion Gate.
As for a topic I'd like to see in future, I would like to know how you think the Thalmor rectify the defeat of Umaril the Unfeathered. After all there are eye-witnesses to the event, but Umaril could not be defeated by the *8* Divine. In the Thalmor propaganda machine, is Umaril still alive and well? If he couldn't be defeated by the 8 Divines, where is he?
Check the strip club in Suran, he’s usually there
Unheard and overlooked gods.
That's a detective series.
Channel called ceedot does something similar to the extent.
@@77wolfblade Thx. I'll look into it.
Camel never misses. Incredible videos and detective work every time. I have never, ever, ever heard about this before, and I'm usually pretty clued in to ES lore
I wish there was a Wintersun extended mod. It’d be cool to worship the more obscure gods.
We definitely need an expansion
(Incomplete watching) What if this God was the Lycanthrope Daedra Hircine created to best Sheogorath's tiny bird?
Like that idea
It legitimately feels like Christmas morning whenever I get on UA-cam and see that you’ve uploaded a new video. Looking forward to it!! 😊
Merry Christmas!
I knew as soon as you mentioned wombats and Ius in the interview with Ted Peterson that this video was only inevitable, and I was not let down by its viewing.
So there's a semi-rare concept within fantasy stories of gods of animals, not as in gods whose sphere is animals, but gods that are almost or entirely worshipped exclusively by animals. A good example of this is Jhabbal Sag of Conan. I've always looked at Ius as that.
On the note of talking animals, in ESO there's a group called the Blackfeather Court which are just a bunch of talking crows that were hatched by a Hagraven.
I believe there is also a pet in ESO that has some lore that says they've been witnessed speaking their own language but I can't remember for the life of me if I'm mixing something up.
Edit: Yeah, mixing stuff up but the talking crows are a thing albiet not sure what that means lore-wise regarding animals speaking as a whole in TES. lmfao
He could be a mirror of Iffry. Like Shagorath type thing. It's not like Iffry jumps in every time a Forrest is cut. Could just be a really minor prince, but still a prince, who has a red pact and his only worshippers are some animals, thus why he isn't super strong but still strong enough.
Great video Camel, blows my mind on how much detail you go into in your videos, and your cinematography is top quality love the way you put your videos together, keep up the awesome work,
Cheers mate, hard to do much cinematography in this one given it’s like half images
I'm sorry but this is the hands down best piece of Elder Scrolls trivia I have ever learned. the very first book was a bit of crack-writing to explain a bug? fucking hysterical. I love it.
Honestly, it'd be cool if Ius got something of a comeback in some sort of Elder Scrolls title, either in the form of fictional acknowledging (the book he's in reappearing in the next Elder Scrolls or in an ESO expansion) or outright being included in a quest. I could easily imagine Ius being a cousin or aspect of Yffre and the Earthbones but one dedicated to either animalkind or the eye-for-an-eye concept.
I'm just sitting in a plane over Pacific and Camel just made my flight perfect! 😁 thank you, man!
Currently doing an orc vampire playthrough, his name is Azog the conqueror(a hobbit reference) and he hails from dushnikh yal. At first he set out to join the imperial legion as a way to amass power but during the turmoil he grew stagnant as he remained, it didn’t take long for him to crave more and so he set out to the college of winterhold to learn about destruction and conjugation magics, until one fateful day when he came across a vampire woman who led him to finding his true power, the one he had been seeking for so long, the vampire lord. With this he grew ever more powerful and winning more battles. His journey continues now as he takes on the dragon priests to claim their masks. And yet something darker is beginning to call him…
You should do a video exploring how Morokei got his hands on the Staff of Magnus.
Always love hanging out for your edit streams. Really looking forward to this one!
Thanks for coming mate, always good to have some company in the abyss of premier pro
12:10 Only austrailian creature. My brother in Stendar, have you forgotten about mud crabs?
This dude is incredible at taking 15 minutes of information and explaining it for hours
How cool! He turned a bug into a super interesting story that still persists as somewhat mysterious even now. Ive never played daggerfall or arena but id imagine those shopkeepers were really creepy, maybe even an aspect of ius
I really hope they bring ius back, if nothing else expand on his mysterious lore in some books. Maybe ius could be an extension of a pre-existing “god” or maybe he could just be his own mysterious entity. Regardless i think this book needs some love for being the firsf one in an elder scrolls game.
I also wonder if ius’ writer watched this, if he did it mustve been pretty cool to see so many people ponder over his obscure story
Quite the way to start the day. Thanks, Camel!
Had a blast with this lore video, Thank you.
I've always imagined the wild hunt as an army of The Thing aliens.
The fact that Ius has reality-bending powers this side of the Dragonfires is OP as fuck
I just imagine Mehrunes Dagon invading again only to get his giant red ass kneecapped by an irritated Ius screaming wombat gibberish at the top of his lungs. Bro just gets to be the DoodleBob Squarepants of the Elder Scrolls
Ius just screaming in drunken aussie at Dagon and dropkicking him back to Oblivion😂
“Water is like liquid elevator music.”
-Bilbo Baggins
I love how this dropped right as ESO is introducing a new, dead, forgotten daedric prince! If they're smart they'll connect the two
What prince is that?
Oh, no... I'm sick and tired of ESO's half baked lore, I wouldn't be able to handle them adding a new daedric prince.
I haven't played ESO since the end of the 2022 storyline. I know the Necrom expansion is about Hermaeus Mora, but is there another prince involved? I know they introduced a new Prince-less plane with Fargrave, which I thought was pretty cool. The huge skeletons are left vague enough where you can play around with some fun ideas regarding the Princes and forgotten deadra. But I also agree with Redoran that a lot of ESO's lore can be contradictory and lazy
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@@DMIwriter Yes it would appear there is a daedric prince called “Ithelia”. They’re labeled the prince of paths, the unseen & unknowable, with a unique skill to change the course of destiny & fate, due to not being bound by it. The rest of the pantheon, led by Hermaeus Mora, contained them somehow & erased their existence from history.
"Who, unlike me, cannot be pegged..." camelworks 2023
And don’t you forget it
@@Camelworks ill say it because no one else did. *clears throat
UWU
I bet the name Ius was inspired by Iuz a god from the DnD setting of Greyhawk. The appearance resembles that of a oldschool DnD kobold, IMO
This was such an awesome video! I learned a lot not just about Ius but I learned a bit more about the lore as well thank you for all your hard work Camel ❤
I never knew and I frickin love Ius now lmao
ah its always nice to find a fellow peg enjoyer, i love this channel lol
Hilariously. I just recorded an audiobook reading of this very book - 'Ius, Animal God' last week!
To me, it seems like Ius is specifically a God of Intelligent Beasts. Every story we have of him involves an animal of abnormally high intelligence, and while two stories isn't much to go off, we've made educated guesses with less. He also specifically seems to abhor unnecessary cruelty, and only offers help when asked, though he doesn't seem overly concerned with the survival of his charges, since both stories end with the assisted animal being eaten anyway. The wombat being his sacred animal seems to reinforce this perception of his character, considering that wombats have something of a reputation of offering shelter to other animals during disasters despite being fairly aggressive in their own way.
Yeah in the most recent fires here in Australia, there were stories of Wombats, who had actually taken some other animals to safety in their burrows
Wow camel you've definitely taken the editing to the next level with this one
Lmaooo that cow praying imagery made my day
I never knew there was a god that listened only to animals and can basically teleport to where ever
What if Ius is tied to Sheogorath somehow? He holds scales - a balance, and Sheogorath was once the daedric prince of order. He's also a rat and Sheogorath loves cheese. What if he was a servant of Jyggalag who was cursed much like his master? Him not liking the wasteful killing of animals could be because it upsets the natural balance of life, not because he's necessarily caring towards the animals (which could explain why he let his "sacred" wombat die). He also placed a shop in front of the gate which made people go mad - why'd they go mad? There's never just one entrance to a town or city, couldn't they just leave another way? The tale itself is mad enough to make me feel like Sheogorath had a hand. Then there's also the fact that he seems to be able to act in the mortal world without much problem - as far as I know, the only other Daedric prince really capable of that is Sheogorath.
Also, what if people couldn't talk to the wombat, but they simply thought it talked to them? They could just be insane.
Other thought would be he could be tied to Clavicus Vile. He has a talking dog as a part of himself, so a talking animal isn't out of the question, and he has the power to grant requests, but they never turn out the way you wish them to. It's not unreasonable that he would have even helped the animal that prayed to Ius to save him from the farmer, as all it really did was just make sure that particular farmer didn't kill him (since he was apparently eaten later), and we don't know if the animal owed anything to Ius over it.
What if it was Sheogorath?
Oh man I can't believe I'm a week late to this. Thanks for the new video Camel!
At some time in the past your videos were a part of my daily routine and yet i still enjoy every second of them thank you for the great work and efforts you put in these videos because it's not easy to keep them at high level.
I hope we see a detective video about Falion of Morthal i think he might have some secrets to be discovered.
I love the wombat story. My uncle had a writing style that was VERY similar. That takes me waaaay back, thank you so much!
Another vid 20 days after the last one?! You're spoiling us Camel!
Interesting video 👍 I always enjoy learning about the stranger early mythology of elder scrolls lore. The one thing that caught my attention was that crying Madonna figure, how is it that she's not another name for kyne? A weeping mother that creates the rain is a defining characteristic of kyne. I would be interested in why the two deities aren't considered the same.
No idea, think she’s referenced in Daggerfall and never again
@@Camelworks damn
22:13 There's some examples of talking to animals in ESO. I can't think of the exact circumstances, but there's a handful of occurrences of animal communication. Usually it's druid and wyress characters. There's also a parrot in Redguard you can talk to, but it's just like any other parrot, so nothing supernatural.
There’s also Daedric Lords, at least that’s what I think they’re called, basically lesser Daedric Princes, often under Daedric Princes, such as a Daedric Lord of Fishing under Hircine. Maybe Ius is a Daedric Lord, possibly under Kyne or Yiffre or, as other comments have suggested, Sheogorath or the Reachmen version of Namira!
New Camelworks detective video, so perfect for a cozy friday night lol
Bloody hell Camel, videos like this remind me of why I love the elder scrolls and your channel. So obscure but so interesting, actually made me load up an old arena and daggerfall save to check Rockgrove
now i want books like Ius and some works by Kirkbride (that are available for free i mean) to be put into actual books in a mod and have them be added to the dragonborn museum
Super exciting to get a new detective series fresh for the weekend
I was reading all the books in Daggerfall a few months ago, thanks for the vid, hopefully this’ll shed light on some of the crazy stuff in Daggerfall lore
I just discovered you as I happen to be currently deep diving into Elder Scrolls lore. This was really cool and interesting. I do hope we get at least some more mentions or small cameos of the obscure deities. I subscribed ❤
Babe wake up, new camel upload!
That's it, my first ES6 character is going to be the avatar of Ius. He's been gone for a long time, but he'll have his revenge!
16:01 _hmmm..._
The fact that fans of the games know more about them then the people who made them is hilarious. And it's basically true about every single developer, save for Kirkbride. He knows some things that if he told them to us, our brains would melt.
My guy took one book with little more than a passing reference to a being and made an hour long video from it. Brilliant!
Edit: also theory: what if Hircine is perpetually hunting Ius?
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So what, in our universe, the air is really damn potent with whatever these berries and weeds have in them?
I love how much ESO stuff you include in your visuals now
Damn the artwork here is INSANE! An art book or card game with this style would be amazing to see 😍😍🔥
Yes! I knew you were going to to talk about Ius. I love how they introduced a god into the lore in order to rationalize a gameplay bug that happened in Rockpark in TES: Arena.
Going off your idea of Ius being Hircine related, what if we made him a vengeful enforcer of captive animals seeing the slaughter of pets and the like as warranting his wrath which coincidentally is punishing the perp for their act of betrayal which is the sphere of Mephala.
Edit: Kynareth is also a good option, also in Oblivion one of the trials in the Knight's of the Nine require you to engage a bear without fighting back which could also tie to the idea of Ius only acting in response to dishonorable and deceitful killing of animals.
I loved this because you sold me a story; you were honest that most of this was a thought experiment.
it would be cool in Elder Scrolls 6 if they added a statue of Ius or a shrine that gave the player a quest to track down the last remaining wombats in Tamriel and take them to the shrine of Ius to save the dying species to get his flaming scales as a weapon
It’s been so long since I’ve been able to binge watch entertaining videos. So glad I found you camel❤️
Those arent scales he is carrying, they're weights💪. Ius is clearly a very dedicated gigachad who takes no shit from no one. especially when it comes to matters of animals
I really like how the demi-prince origin explains the sacred talking wombat - the animal would simply be a distant descendant of Ius, gaining the capacity for human speech from its daedric ancestry, and Ius would naturally share a connection with his progeny.
Always a good morning when theres a new camel video
Camelworks uploaded a video... today is going to be a great day.
At this point I feel like any theories camel comes up with should be counted as canon
Yay! What a great surprise this morning.
Thank you Camel. Love this series
I just woke up about to go to work when I get this notification pefect time camel
This is wonderful! That basically a joke (kind of) turned out to be necessary to explain one of the multitudinous Bethesda bugs that plague the game. By the way, you always do an absolutely stupendous job with these videos. I always learn a great many new details about the Elder Scrolls with every video of yours that I watch. Thank you kindly.
Yes!!!! My favorite UA-cam series returns!!!
Having him be an aspect of hircine would work as a hunter can only hunt if there's game to hunt
Favorite series on yt for the past however many years
a new camelworks elder scrolls detective video for my birthday? best gift yet
Great idea for a video, thank you!
Your dives into the lore are always super deep and I love it!
Thanks dude! Brilliant!
I fucking love this series, every episode is a banger and I learn some new mundane fact about the games FUCK YEAH