Thank you very much, Tom, whatever you believe about government and the church. But as an American Christian, I believe very strongly in the separation of church and state. Rural communities across this region boast hundreds of churches and variations of denominations; most all created due to members leaving one church angrily because of doctrinal differences to start another down the road. By the way, the way they speak the truth to power further illustrates these enormous doctrinal/interpretational differences. Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are good examples of an autocracy and theocracies gone bad.
Appreciate the wisdom of Tom Wright. However, as a minority American who studied with him at St. Andrews, I think his Anglicanism becomes a foreign window into American politics that doesn't quite fit the narrative here. The American Christian narrative is to be weary of the state, and the so-called separation of church and state was intended to protect religion from the tyrannical power of the state. While the Anglican UK tradition is to "accept" and conform to the power of the state as it is married to politics, the American tendency is to curb the political state by limiting its powers. American Christians are leery of political utopian promises that come in Marxist flavors on account of that narrative. Not saying, the narrative is correct, just describing it.
Exactly. Wright expresses the eschatological stance of amillennialism/postmillennialism. It is what justified the bishops' collusion with the Roman Imperium beginning in the fourth century and resulted over the generations in state churches. In so doing, the official church became a tool of social conformity with the state providing the sword of coercion. The gospel to some extent lost its inherent countercultural assertion that true justice will arrive only when Christ returns in glory. Whether it be St. Paul or Irenaeus, the older understanding is that maxim that 'power in this age is a corrupting influence' and is impelled by spiritual forces of darkness. Even when reform comes, oppression and expropriation will grow from its seeds. But, the majority of believers then as now live lives of simple faith, love, and good works to help their neighbors. Regardless of the policies of the official church hierarchies.
For me (American Evangelical) the crisis now is Christian Nationalism, or any nationalism in Christ’s multi-ethnic Church. Indeed, that is why I could never be “Anglican.” The Principalities & Powers are pushing Catholics and Evangelicals to conflate Church & State instead of keeping them separate, for Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world. Our culture wars are rebellion against Jesus’ warning “Do not lord it over others like the Gentiles do.” Authoritarianism coupled with nationalism and pseudo-Christianity is a dangerous combination that cannot “make disciples of every nation.”
Such insightful discussion. Will be getting the book. Awed by Mr Wright's expansive and deep knowledge of the Bible. Very enlightened after hearing his invaluable insights that are so relevant today. 🙏
I appreciate the heart of what he’s saying, yet that’s not how congregations operate. They don’t seek out experts to guide them. They instead turn to leaders who affirm their cultural/political/& socioeconomic biases, even pushing away experts with legalistic prejudice. The Holy Spirit frequently has to act in spite of the church in the world.
Love the accurate statement about how Western thinking since the 18th century banished God away, up to heaven. Thats also the beginning time humanity begun its rapid population growth and the effects and, after effects of humanity damaging this world rather than show our proper stewardship of earth.. We instead see humanities constant attraction to Greed, Wealth and Power. Humanities lasting legacy....
"A House United Jefferson said church and state need walls of separation, But free expression cuts some windows of communication, And common interest opens doorways of cooperation, For less than this would be to pull shades of discrimination." --Dan Eumurian Your thoughts?
The only instance where CHRIST ran away from people was when they want HIM to be their king. All empires that existed in the world are described in the BIBLE as beasts. Go figure !!!!
I realize that Mr. Wright has sprinkled heavily his works with anti-platonist sentiment, but I wish he would write a book solely on that issue for the layman.
I use to quite admire NT in his day, but it sounds like he has gone full-on-facist in his dotage. Liberal democracy is wonderful We elect God these days - much better
@@russellmiles2861I haven't watched ALL of this video but a lot of it. I'm not convinced we should accept Marxist thought as somehow a representative sample of God's politics brought to planet Earth through His church. As an Australian I do look forward to studying his work with fellow Australian Michael Bird. Bird has been interviewed by Libertarian Christian Institute and seems to sit on the more classical liberal side of church & state theological thought. I look forward to studying the interaction of their views ...
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Is the Bible really a reliable test, though? The New Testament was assembled centuries after the events in Jerusalem, and the people that assembled it had a… relationship with the political power of the Roman Empire that likely affected what was and was not chosen for inclusion. Be wary of making an idol out of the words, they are often confused for the Word that was with God and the Word that was God. There’s a historical reason to go back to the text as a way to deconstruct the cultural baggage, but the text itself is not God, especially not a translation of events that took place in a culture we would see as truly foreign.
@@Justanotherconsumer Pyparus fragment P52 is from a Codex copy of John's Gospel and has been dated during the first half of the second century. (circa 125 AD) The man who recorded it could have known the Apostle John.
@@SpotterVideosure, but who chose to include that and why that one? There have been many variants of eschatology, why is that one the one that was chosen?
@@Justanotherconsumer You can see lists of books considered scripture from early 2nd century onwards. There's very little variation in 3/4 of it in almost all of them: 4 gospels, the Pauline epistles, 1 Peter, 1 John. Nicea finalised the debates around the rest.
I often look at the map of the Middle East and how very small Israel is and how huge the surrounding lands that seem to be very very wealthy in resources. And people are killing each other, the little ones, and the old victimized by the youthful warring parties. And when there has been so much violence for so long, I can't get my mind around a person whose ancestors or children were slaughtered can sit down in search of compromise and peace. I remember in Revelations it refers to Jesus' return with his feet on Mount of Olives and maybe that's the only way to peaceful dwelling with one another? Loving this ..... and will be listening to more.
Remember a book entiled, Oh Jerusalem that documented, took the reader to the end of the British Mandate along during the 1st days and battles for the 1948 re-birth of the Nation of Israel. Great read if it's still available.
I feel for Tom having just missed Lewis and Tolkien. In high school I was about to plan a graduation trip to visit Fred Rogers, but he died in four months before I got my diploma.
Ah bummer. My pseudo aunt of the last 53 yrs is married to the first cousin of Fred Rogers, Jerry McFeeley. (Remember Mr. McFeeley- the postman who frequently had a "Special delivery! Special delivery!" ? Yes- that's where that name came from 🤗). You could pick him out in a crowd of 100's bc the genetics in that family are SHOCKINGLY strong. Jerry's hair is maybe 2shades lighter, but otherwise they seem to be twins- even down to most unexpected, minuet details i.e: the tone & cadence of his voice, the way he holds his head when he's listening to you, etc., etc, I can't find any diffs. I never got to meet Mr. Rogers either, but knowing his cousin & seeing how very alike he (& other bio family is)lends to the confirmation that everything about Fred Rogers was, indeed, 100% purely authentic. It's amazing enough to know such a truly Christ-like man exists....imagine realizing there's a whole flock of 'em!😊. My mom & pseudo aunt became friends in 1974. She met & married Jerry in the very early 80's. (Yes, she & Jerry are still "with us"). God Bless 😊.
@@Anabee3 This is sweet to hear-thank you so much for sharing! My plans to meet Fred were somewhat redeemed in that over that summer, I got a job making puppets for a church's teaching series that was funded by donations from Fred's will. It was a treasured experience that felt in a way like working on a project with him.
Politics, regardless of who is right at 83 yrs of age, I enlisted in the US Army and was Honorably discharged in 1968. My deepest concern is contemporary weapons of war. Almost any politician can covertly in private find accomplices to use weapons that the public simply can not comprehend. "Science-fiction" type weapons that have "special access" as in the "Havana Syndrome" or "Remote Viewing." What concern concerns the military use on military targets is generally acceptable, but then "special weapons" are used against the naive public w/no legal oversight or proper approval, then that becomes criminal and possibly treasonous. Horror after murder & injury from stealth attacks on the public by rouge agents gives little comfort from religious platitudes after the fact. Assertive disclosure must happen before tragedy when religious sympathy can be given in a calm discerning environment. I am very serious and feel urgency strongly as after a mass tragedy, there may not be many people to comfort...
@ob2249 Enlisted in 1963. Honorably discharged from the US Army at 26 ys old. Took a "compassionate extension" so I would not have to go into the "National Guard." You know 1960's history. Very much like now, society was deeply troubled.
I think compared to the rest of Europe fewer want to come to Uk . But those who do I think mainly because they speak the language or have family members here. That’s my understanding .
Augustine wrote The City of God in the same spirit, did he not? Indeed, the Roman Catholic church has gathered 2000 years of wisdom; I am reading the catechism at the moment.
Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it’s wise, especially in an organization deeply resistant to debate and discussion. Without constant review and reconsideration, accumulated information is often more folly than wisdom.
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Different Jewish viewpoints are respected; likewise multiple Christian perspectives should be respected in the political realm, meaning, as John Owen would say, they don't merit persecution by the State.
An excellent discussion, thank you all. On the issue of Israel and the promised land, I agree fully that we need to realise that God's promises to Israel have expanded out through Jesus' victory. The whole world is God's and the gospel is for all nations. And yet, as Paul also says, God's covenant with the Jews is not forgotten, and Paul hoped and expected their return as Christians. So, yes, the promised land of Israel is now a global covenant, with the church - God's temple and presence by His Spirit living within us - alive in many nations, and yet concurrently, the land of Israel is still sacred in a hard to define way. It therefore seems to me that Christians should still treasure the covenanted promised land, even as we live in God's kingdom around the world. This would lead then to a political view in which the land should be protected for God's church (and for the Jews yet to be part of that church). We cannot include Muslims, who reject the real Jesus, in equal land division, for they have no part in the old covenant, or Kingdom. Palestinian Christians can certainly inherit the land, as can any and all who follow Christ. The modern church should certainly not get into wrong theology about supporting the Jews to build the third temple or anything like that - for we miraculously are now the temple. Yet we also cannot treat the land like any other bit of territory. It is God's, in a deeply lasting and promised way.
Apostle John called earthly Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt'; and Apostle Paul said the physical Jerusalem that rejected the Messiah was the same as Hagar's descendants (not part of the covenants of God). Revelation 11:8 MEV Their dead bodies will lie in the street of *_the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,_* where also our Lord was crucified.
This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem: In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Come, descendants of Jacob, let us walk in the light of the Lord.
The concern here is basically that Trump’s supporters do not care about theology. Theology is just an excuse to support what they want to do anyway, good old Divine Sanction… marketing. Some believe but it’s a purely transactional affair where they comply because they expect a reward or expect to avoid punishment. Acting justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with the one who has already given so much out of gratitude is a foreign concept.
I disagree. Trumps supporters very clearly see a dangerous left, open borders, mass amnesty, tyrannical judicial system, incredible spending and wars. And the Christian's are anti abortion and the only thing the Harris does not get lost in word salads over is her love for abortion. At the end of the day, daily politics in the U.S. is centered on abortion, until you hit the common non political population in their wallet. Then it's on economics.
While Dr Wright misses me on his notion of what government should look like especially on his persistent dimining notion of American idea of the separation of church and state and disregard for them being a Constitutional Republic an idea drawn from scripture based on supreme law and consent of the governed, with all of that I would love for him (Dr Wright) to unpack his notion of cruciform theocracy.
The prof is very dodgy and undermines the sovereignty of God time and again. I have been watching him and at times want to be politically correct. In one one of the steams with TBN he banned the word eternity. This is man is very unreliable please stay away from people who bring confusion in Christian Church.
NT Wright would do well to make a Balance Sheet, and entitle the other half, What Trump Gets Right About Jesus. And, along with all the media leaders, Wright needs to begin a column, entitled, Confessions of How I Underestimated Trump.
Can an Anglican make genuine political critique? They are beholden to the status quo. I have enjoyed N. T. immensely this last decade but find his guidance in the issues in recent years completely lacking and a bad example of Christian involvement. The issues in the upcoming US election are clear as day (and very weighty), but you wouldn't know it from this discourse. No need to dance around them with platitudes.
I see it as God reigning in people's lives. I believe Covid helped us to be reminded of faith in a creator. I believe in doctor's and think many are quite brilliant... yet some issues are related to deliverance and some doctors are leading people to become addicted to medications and denying the power of God. John Paul Jackson a respected prophet that passed spoke on dreams at medical colleges and doctors were getting insightes into patients through dreams.
The medical field was silenced if you disagreed. The purpose of coming to a nation oftentimes is not for righteousness. Not being vaccinated was a threat of losing your job. We throwing around separation of church and state not sure what you mean or think...
We ignored the best doctors. Its like we pick our theologians not listening to the theologians doing and doctors doing but listen to the armchair theologians and arm chair experts.
@@MarkVincent-v4i in 25 words or less : the Christians arose out of the majority of Hebrews who sought accommodation with the Romans. They had seen the rebels were decisively beaten. The render unto Ceaser, pacifist and shared business essentially. They broaden their ideology to universal blood atonement in contrast to annual temple atonement. I'm not sure how much more political they could be - Jesus was a Quisling. Quite wise when the Roman prevailed for over a millenium and evolved into Western culture. It worked.
@@russellmiles2861 It is very right actually. Part of why the religious elites opposed Jesus is because they were threatened by His gospel about the coming Kingdom of God. Like the other Jews, the religious elites assumed He was preaching a political message about kicking the Romans out of Judea. What they all failed to realize is that like Jesus told Pilate, the Kingdom He referred to is not of this world or its politics.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 fascinating Whereas I thought Jesus' message was an accommodation with Romans ... It was more divided Hebrew ideology: the rebels and what became Christians. And this not of this world is so like a Politician trying to one up their opposition: kinda like former President Trumps MAGA theme. Either way; the early Christians were very political ...
Jesus Said..”Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars.” Jesus made a clear distinction between separation of that which is world and that which is spiritual 😊❤
Respectfully- it was a trick question to which Jesus replies a clever answer. On the surface it seems like he is condoning Caesars rule but to a religious Jew everything belongs to God, not an occupying force. If the world and spirit are separate why do we pray "on earth as it is in heaven"?
@@mikegalway4733 It's also one of the funniest jokes that Jesus plays in the entire new testament. Because first he asks them to look at a denarius, and to see whose face is on it. When they reply Caesar's, he says, essentially, "Well that must belong to him then. Give him what's his, but give to God what is God's."
44:55 Tom Wright has it totally wrong here. American politics has never been secular. God and faith has always played an enormous role in American politics. Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address (one of the most famous speeches in American history) is chock full of references to God. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One Nation Under God". The Declaration of Independence speaks of the Creator. The songs "America the Beautiful" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", although they are not legally instituted as national anthems, are (or previously have been) sung in schools and (until recently) were part of the American psyche. Senate sessions are still opened with prayer (this goes all the way back to the Continental Congress). "Separation of church and state" originally mean that the U.S. would never establish a state church, as Britain did. It did not mean that God would be left out of political discourse.
The section on the Middle East came across to me as too much both-sidesism, numb to pain, devoid of compassion for those suffering, in tune with an oft broadcast narrative, distorting the true character of recent protests and evasive of UK complicity. NTW has spoken very differently on Apartheid in South Africa.
This is what happens to any human nation that lives and conducts life without the love for all life which is found in Jesus Christ. If Your are truly in Jesus. Hatred towards others is absent only seeing Christs love for all, in all your neighbors eye's.
God told Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. I believe this promise is fulfilled in the true internationalism found in Christ. "After this I had a vision of a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb...." --Revelation 7:9
America’s separation doctrine does not mean that the Judeo-Christian God, the 10 Commandments,etc., aren’t meant to be part of our American doctrine. It means that Government is not to favor one organizational church over another or one Christian theology over another. America is foundation ally Christian Protestant. . God is firmly foundational in America. It is very much part of America from the foundation. We pray in Congress, Godly blessings are part of inaugurations, etc. Our history does not go back before Jesus as it does in England. NT Wright is very wrong here about our foundational American government and the reasons why immigrants first created communities. He is making up history. I love NT Wright, but I do have some disagreements with his legalistic pacifist theology and now this revisionist history of America’s foundations.
The problem when it comes to Israel Palestine debate is that people blame both sides while the real problem here is one side which completely dominate and bullies the other which has no support no power and no land even the little land they have is being controled by Israel. It seems to me we are paranoid to call a spade which is that Israel is a people from hell at least when you look from the point of view of Palestinians. No reasonable people can do the things Israel is doing to the Palestinians. The phrase from the river to the sea is correct. All must be free from the river to the see. Right now Israel is free to go anywhere but Palestinians aren't.
Does Kamala follow Jesus and His teachings? Does she say she’s a believer in Jesus Christ ? I don’t know the answer to this. Is abortion a sin? Should abortion be for any reason and paid for by the state?
Trump is, without exaggeration, the most un-Christlike person I have ever seen. He has every single negative moral quality. If abortion is a sin, people get to be sinners, because we allow non-Christians to be citizens. One thing we know for sure is that it's not murder. Fetuses aren't part of any census, even in the Bible. Fetuses aren't dependents on tax returns. We don't have child protective services monitoring pregnant women. We don't have manslaughter investigations for every miscarriage
Kamala follows God's teaching on caring for the poor, woe to those who make unjust laws against the poor, but she like Trump lacks God's full commands. Sin is sin, God does not show Partiality, you break one you break all. As Believers we have to remember not to be like the Pharisees.
yeah I'm not sure... NT.... the now but not yet comes to mind.. that.. breaks your principle argument about Jerusalem. Though you nail the multi-cultural church, I'm not sure it can be church otherwise.
I accidentally stumbled onto this video and will make sure not to repeat my mistake. You take absolutely no responsibility to make sure that even so much as the premise you begin with is accurate. So it's all pretty much hogwash i. e. 1st of all in Romans 13:1-7 Paul is writing to Gentile believers in Rome to obey, not Roman secular/pagan authority, but to obey the God-ordained authority of the synagogue rulers in Rome. If God had put all in power who've been in authority then that would mean he put King Saul in authority which the Bible clearly states he did not because he did not want them to have a king but was allowing the people their God given free agency. And those people paid a heavy price for their wickedness. The United States of America has a constitution that allows for civil disobedience although the law still applies and many have gone to jail in the process for their beliefs. You're a very unwise person. I suggest you actually read the Bible praying to God for understanding and give your heart and willing mind to him because it seems to me you haven't yet taken that very necessary step. If you sincerely want to know the answer to your question, that's how you'll find the wisdom.
I love Wright, but he works with caricatures, which is wildly unhelpful. Also, the thumbnail for this video is meant to be inflammatory clickbait, which seems to defeat the expressed intentions of the video. Also, it's not helpful when we're (American Christians) over here trying to stop a political party that celebrates murdering and butchering children.
And yet God is no respecter of persons and loves people who've been born just as much as the unborn so why do some of us complain about abortion but destructively cling to firearms of all types and amounts regardless of the precious lives taken even by suicide? Why do our so called pro life citizens not insist on prioritizing the basic needs of our food insecure population and make stronger laws against child abuse and other domestic abuse? Why do we not care as much that some women leaving the hospital with newborn know they'll both automatically be homeless because they can't afford both food and housing? And I could go on and on. That's why so many of us judge the pro life movement to be full of hypocrites. Y'all just wannabe pro SOME lives and judge which of the rest of us are expendable.
With all respect Tom Wright, the expression « From the river to the sea… » is originally an Israeli expression used by the Israeli colonialism to take over all the land, that’s 1. Second, yes from the river to the sea Palestine will be free from occupation. I thought you knew the area well and knew that in Israel/Palestine today the Palestinians are not free or second class citizens. You talk about peace but unless there is justice and equality of rights how can there be peace. I am a bit disappointed in your argument.
Right, and he highlights the problem of either group claiming 100% of the land because of the obvious problem of what to do with the people in the other tribe.
Trump likes to be worshipped. Kamala likes to use word salad. But she did say to someone, who shouted, "Jesus is Lord," that he was at the wrong rally. So, you could observe that she is anti-Christian.
B/c he tries to get “evangelicals” to believe him a Christian…Harris doesn’t do that … yet she is more honest and more compassionate than trump…so disappointing that America would vote him in again
@LauraKasson Trump is clearly not a Christian. But he isn't trying to get more women into sacrificing babies to the gods of the left. It appears that even the Bidens may have voted for Donald as a way to get back at Obama and the deep state.
To be frank, if one cares to read the Bible: there is Elohim killing every man woman and child at Sodom (Genesis 19:24),ordering the ripping the unborn from their mother's womb (Hosea 13:16) slowly killing Beshebas's baby (2 Samuel 12 17) killing the Firstborn (Exodus 12:29) putting to death women, children and infants (1 Samuel 15:3), has 2 She bear kill boys (2 Kings 2:24), killing Jobs children (Job 1: 19) and all the other tales of God killing children Yes, former President Trump seems to be a kitten in comparison to Jesus.
When looking at the Bible, we should take a look at all of God's dealings with humanity to gain a more accurate picture of who God is. Look at Jesus - God in the flesh - who was viciously murdered by Jewish leaders and the Romans and yet said "Forgive them; for they know not what they do." He told us to "love our neighbor as yourself" (found in the Old Testament as well in Leviticus 18:19) and divinely inspired Paul to write "[l]ove is patient, love is kind. It does not envy or boast..." Indeed, His act of sacrificial love upon the cross showed humanity what true love is. Would you be willing to admit that this is also part of God as outlined in the Bible? God is also a God of justice. God waited centuries for the ancient Isrealites to repent from murder, thievery, and gross oppression because He is "slow to anger and of great mercy" (Psalm 145:8-9). When they did not, He sent them into exile and then judged the Babylonians for their cruelty towards Judeans during the sacking of Jerusalem (Jeremiah 50). Should God have sat idly by while bands of rapists prowled the streets of Sodom and Gibeah? Should He have allowed the brutal slavery of the Hebrews in Egypt? Did He not give enough Pharoah enough chance to repent through several plagues or would Pharoah just not listen? When the wicked thrive, humanity accuses God of inaction; however, when God judges the evil and injustice of humanity, we are dissatisfied (even though our self-centeredness is the root of the evil). Is that fair? To be honest, we should not be too quick to judge God for the deaths of children when we snuff out the life of many a baby through abortion.
@@mcw3560 so we are cool with worshiping a child killer - glad we sorted that one out And why didn't god punish Pharoah instead of the baby of some slave at the mill. Just asking, for a friend
Jesus said to Pilate lm no part of this world and neither is my kingdom otherwise my people would rise against you. Jesus came preaching and teaching and healing and raising the dead. At Jesus birth Herod king of isreal in Jerusalem tried to kill Jesus. He failed he killed 2000 innocent children males. Jesus goes to Egypt for 3 years until the death of Herod. Unfortunately when Mary and Joseph came back from Egypt with 3 years old Jesus. Archelus Herod's son who was worse than Herod was a threat to jesus. Therefore Jesus went to Galilee Nazareth that's where he was brought up until age 12. Mary and Joseph and jesus had to go back to Jerusalem for a census and visit the temple. Here Jesus speaks with the priesthood. They are overwhelmed with his knowledge and wisdom and understanding. It's here they knew that jesus Christ Messiah designated leader of the kingdom of God had returned to Jerusalem. After 30 years Jesus was preaching the kingdom of god was near. The then Roman Catholic church Roman empire and Sanhedrin priesthood conspired to kill Jesus. At the age of 33 and half year's they finally crucified Jesus. Jesus was crucified died and was buried on the third day resurrected back to life. Went back to heaven and sent the power from above back to a public house Inn. Not palace or temple but a common house. Here 120 male and female disciple's received the long awaited holy spirit. Joel chapter 2 v 28 to 32 God said in the last days I shall pour out my spirit on both sons and daughters. This was the last days of the old testament. Genesis to Malachi. Matthew started the new testament and revelation ended the New testament. Do you think Jesus had any ties with the government officials and politicians of isreal or Roman empire who crucified Jesus.
The prof is very dodgy and undermines the sovereignty of God time and again. I have been watching him and at times want to be politically correct. In one one of the steams with TBN he banned the word eternity. This is man is very unreliable.
Well a lot of evangelicals in USA support Donald Trump and he is going to president.... They support him to the extent that it would be against their beliefs not to.
We come closer to our God day by day thanks to His firstborn Son from the dead, the Christ from Nazareth. It's the Trinity Dogma that hinders most to enter the Kingdom of the Spirit of God in truth. Liars cannot enter the Kingdom of the Spirit. There is a spiritual and moral obstacle for all distorters of the Word of God and furthermore a pre-taste of God's Justice. Thanks for the widening of the perception of the Word of God and his wonderful Messengers! 🍷🪔😘
Here, and on the Premier channel, I see a sort of straight man / comic presentation: Someone sets up Wright with a question, and then he blows and blows and blows. I'm glad Wright is s dead-set against the way we see things in America--maybe he'll spend more time on The Continent with his chums and his tea and his bits of this and that; his janglings about 1st century Palenstine; and his notions of all that is "badly incorrect." I'm from the American South: Dig this: Tom Wright may have a dog that can smell something that no one else's dog can smell. That is a distinct possibility. However, IF Tom Wright does indeed have a dog that can smell something no one else's dog can smell, then, Mister...THAT'S ONE MIGHTY RARE DOG. "The most exquisite folly is made of wisdom spun too fine.” -Benjamin Franklin.
Dr. Wright, how sad that you either reject or do not understand Biblical prophecy regarding Israel. I hope your view is not representative of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), because if it is, then I’m leaving! Israel was reconstituted as a nation state as Biblical prophecy foretold, and in your very sight, yet you have the audacity to deny and delegitimize God’s plan and prophesied end. Very, very disappointing!
Why should Christian opinions on political issues be restricted to a clique of "experts", rather than e.g. Christians whose lives are directly affected by policies? By all means encourage temperance, patience, dignity in speech, respect for rulers, etc, but hard NO! to silencing the common Christian. Not many wise, not many noble, A-OK.
Taking the name in vain isn’t a good thing. Freedom of religion means the government isn’t shoving it down your throat in public schools. As a descendant of Friends and Catholics on one side and Puritans on the other, the state endorsing one religion always means persecution of all other religious groups. The guy who promised a “Muslim Ban” isn’t for freedom of religion.
@@Justanotherconsumer You're right about using God's name in vain. He certainly isn't the best model as a Christian in that regard. However, he protects the rights for religion for all people without shame. He is not afraid to say the Name of "Jesus" even when used in a good way. His intention is good but sometimes his mouth messes up for sure. Lol. Take Peter in the Gospels for our screw up example of a follower of Jesus. In fact, all the disciples eventually deserted Jesus. Yet Jesus came back for them and renewed their faith in him. Like doubting Thomas that said , "my Lord and my God". I think it is a safe and proper to say Trump is a growing carnal Christian. However, there is no way I can say that he does not LOVE America. He wants us all to prosper and desires to keep us safe. At this time, He is the best option for America.
You are wrong about Democrats. They are for individuals making their own choices, not having someone else's vision of faith imposed on the rest of us by religeous hucksters.
But do you not think that ALL American politicians love their country and want its success? They just have different views on how that is to be achieved.
Jesus triumphed over Roman politics by willingness to do "whatever it takes" to become named King of the Jews in a Roman court of Law, because Law matters. This seems to be why so many Jews in the 1st century believed Jesus would politically and militarily overthrow Rome. See "Jesus' Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament" by DS WAGGONER. In the end, we see that, thanks to Jesus' willingness to do whatever it takes to be named "King" in a Roman court of law, is how eventually the entire Roman political landscape, and the entire Roman military fell to their knees in his honor. Servanthood wins the victory.
Oh shut up Tom: you talk way too much. There’s no conversation with him; it’s like a lecture. Lovely books! As dutifully commented on. Your theory that prolife individuals are somehow inspired by the Greek god of violence and his interaction with the goddess of love is probably the most bizarre take I’ve ever heard. Tom thinks that Trump is Cesare. Tom the Woke Industrial Complex is Cesare!! A little advice Tom : humility is a great virtue 😊
To be fair: his world view includes talking snakes, virgin births and vampires. Perhaps even stolen elections. Not a very credible source on things religious
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I just bought it! Waiting to having on my hands and read it!. I listen you from Panama. Thank you! And thank You NT Wright.
Thank you very much, Tom, whatever you believe about government and the church. But as an American Christian, I believe very strongly in the separation of church and state. Rural communities across this region boast hundreds of churches and variations of denominations; most all created due to members leaving one church angrily because of doctrinal differences to start another down the road. By the way, the way they speak the truth to power further illustrates these enormous doctrinal/interpretational differences. Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are good examples of an autocracy and theocracies gone bad.
Appreciate the wisdom of Tom Wright. However, as a minority American who studied with him at St. Andrews, I think his Anglicanism becomes a foreign window into American politics that doesn't quite fit the narrative here. The American Christian narrative is to be weary of the state, and the so-called separation of church and state was intended to protect religion from the tyrannical power of the state. While the Anglican UK tradition is to "accept" and conform to the power of the state as it is married to politics, the American tendency is to curb the political state by limiting its powers. American Christians are leery of political utopian promises that come in Marxist flavors on account of that narrative. Not saying, the narrative is correct, just describing it.
Exactly. Wright expresses the eschatological stance of amillennialism/postmillennialism. It is what justified the bishops' collusion with the Roman Imperium beginning in the fourth century and resulted over the generations in state churches.
In so doing, the official church became a tool of social conformity with the state providing the sword of coercion.
The gospel to some extent lost its inherent countercultural assertion that true justice will arrive only when Christ returns in glory. Whether it be St. Paul or Irenaeus, the older understanding is that maxim that 'power in this age is a corrupting influence' and is impelled by spiritual forces of darkness. Even when reform comes, oppression and expropriation will grow from its seeds.
But, the majority of believers then as now live lives of simple faith, love, and good works to help their neighbors. Regardless of the policies of the official church hierarchies.
For me (American Evangelical) the crisis now is Christian Nationalism, or any nationalism in Christ’s multi-ethnic Church. Indeed, that is why I could never be “Anglican.” The Principalities & Powers are pushing Catholics and Evangelicals to conflate Church & State instead of keeping them separate, for Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world. Our culture wars are rebellion against Jesus’ warning “Do not lord it over others like the Gentiles do.” Authoritarianism coupled with nationalism and pseudo-Christianity is a dangerous combination that cannot “make disciples of every nation.”
That's well thought out, excellently said, and completely reasonable. Thank you both!
@@angusmacangus3181 Accurate picture Well said!
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Such insightful discussion. Will be getting the book. Awed by Mr Wright's expansive and deep knowledge of the Bible. Very enlightened after hearing his invaluable insights that are so relevant today. 🙏
this is an analysis, much needed. Keep up the good work! Jesus is Lord of both: heaven and earth!
I appreciate the heart of what he’s saying, yet that’s not how congregations operate. They don’t seek out experts to guide them. They instead turn to leaders who affirm their cultural/political/& socioeconomic biases, even pushing away experts with legalistic prejudice. The Holy Spirit frequently has to act in spite of the church in the world.
Im from Poland and I truly love what you do in UK
What sort of thing ?
High quality debates about Christianity@@micu1544
Thank You Tom Wright this is a very excellent message !
Excellent conversation - thank you! I highly recommend the book.
Alas Tom lectures more than converses
Amazing theology by Tom. Thank you 😊
Thanks for the interview on Tom and Mike's new book. I'd enjoy getting a copy of it!
I love the chaos of books and papers on the surfaces behind.
Love the accurate statement about how Western thinking since the 18th century banished God away, up to heaven.
Thats also the beginning time humanity begun its rapid population growth and the effects and, after effects of humanity damaging this world rather than show our proper stewardship of earth.. We instead see humanities constant attraction to Greed, Wealth and Power.
Humanities lasting legacy....
"A House United
Jefferson said church and state need walls of separation,
But free expression cuts some windows of communication,
And common interest opens doorways of cooperation,
For less than this would be to pull shades of discrimination."
--Dan Eumurian
Your thoughts?
The only instance where CHRIST ran away from people was when they want HIM to be their king. All empires that existed in the world are described in the BIBLE as beasts. Go figure !!!!
Me thinks All can be written on the back of a matchbox...' Revere GOD, Love thy neighbor.' 🙏
I realize that Mr. Wright has sprinkled heavily his works with anti-platonist sentiment, but I wish he would write a book solely on that issue for the layman.
Jesus’s government is the Sermon on the Mount ✝️
I will definitely be reading Wright’s new book. The Church needs to reflect more on the Principalities and Powers, which are inevitably political.
I use to quite admire NT in his day, but it sounds like he has gone full-on-facist in his dotage.
Liberal democracy is wonderful
We elect God these days - much better
The prof is very dodgy and undermines the sovereignty of God time and again. I have been watching him and at times want to be politically correct.
@@russellmiles2861 You cannot elect God. He does not need your vote.
@@russellmiles2861I haven't watched ALL of this video but a lot of it. I'm not convinced we should accept Marxist thought as somehow a representative sample of God's politics brought to planet Earth through His church. As an Australian I do look forward to studying his work with fellow Australian Michael Bird. Bird has been interviewed by Libertarian Christian Institute and seems to sit on the more classical liberal side of church & state theological thought. I look forward to studying the interaction of their views ...
May your subscribers grow quickly 🙏
Brilliant. I would also recommend the Documentary 'Postcards from Babylon' which is free on UA-cam I believe.
LOL this is very funny in hindsight. Brierley and Tindall wheeling out NT Wright to try and swing American evangelicals away from voting for Trump😂
I haven’t read Miracles….so I’m very interested in Toms point of view.
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Is the Bible really a reliable test, though?
The New Testament was assembled centuries after the events in Jerusalem, and the people that assembled it had a… relationship with the political power of the Roman Empire that likely affected what was and was not chosen for inclusion.
Be wary of making an idol out of the words, they are often confused for the Word that was with God and the Word that was God.
There’s a historical reason to go back to the text as a way to deconstruct the cultural baggage, but the text itself is not God, especially not a translation of events that took place in a culture we would see as truly foreign.
@@Justanotherconsumer Pyparus fragment P52 is from a Codex copy of John's Gospel and has been dated during the first half of the second century. (circa 125 AD) The man who recorded it could have known the Apostle John.
@@SpotterVideosure, but who chose to include that and why that one?
There have been many variants of eschatology, why is that one the one that was chosen?
Spot on! There are many in the U.S. who understand the better covenant theology. Keep sharing the truth.
@@Justanotherconsumer You can see lists of books considered scripture from early 2nd century onwards. There's very little variation in 3/4 of it in almost all of them: 4 gospels, the Pauline epistles, 1 Peter, 1 John. Nicea finalised the debates around the rest.
“The whole world is Gods’ land” 😊
They believe that as long it’s their candidate. But they sing a different tune when it is the other candidate.
Us verses Them demonstrates lack of light
I often look at the map of the Middle East and how very small Israel is and how huge the surrounding lands that seem to be very very wealthy in resources. And people are killing each other, the little ones, and the old victimized by the youthful warring parties. And when there has been so much violence for so long, I can't get my mind around a person whose ancestors or children were slaughtered can sit down in search of compromise and peace. I remember in Revelations it refers to Jesus' return with his feet on Mount of Olives and maybe that's the only way to peaceful dwelling with one another? Loving this ..... and will be listening to more.
Remember a book entiled, Oh Jerusalem that documented, took the reader to the end of the British Mandate along during the 1st days and battles for the 1948 re-birth of the Nation of Israel. Great read if it's still available.
I feel for Tom having just missed Lewis and Tolkien. In high school I was about to plan a graduation trip to visit Fred Rogers, but he died in four months before I got my diploma.
Ah bummer. My pseudo aunt of the last 53 yrs is married to the first cousin of Fred Rogers, Jerry McFeeley. (Remember Mr. McFeeley- the postman who frequently had a "Special delivery! Special delivery!" ? Yes- that's where that name came from 🤗). You could pick him out in a crowd of 100's bc the genetics in that family are SHOCKINGLY strong. Jerry's hair is maybe 2shades lighter, but otherwise they seem to be twins- even down to most unexpected, minuet details i.e: the tone & cadence of his voice, the way he holds his head when he's listening to you, etc., etc, I can't find any diffs. I never got to meet Mr. Rogers either, but knowing his cousin & seeing how very alike he (& other bio family is)lends to the confirmation that everything about Fred Rogers was, indeed, 100% purely authentic. It's amazing enough to know such a truly Christ-like man exists....imagine realizing there's a whole flock of 'em!😊.
My mom & pseudo aunt became friends in 1974. She met & married Jerry in the very early 80's. (Yes, she & Jerry are still "with us").
God Bless 😊.
@@Anabee3 This is sweet to hear-thank you so much for sharing! My plans to meet Fred were somewhat redeemed in that over that summer, I got a job making puppets for a church's teaching series that was funded by donations from Fred's will. It was a treasured experience that felt in a way like working on a project with him.
When did NT Wright and Mr Trump have a personal conversation about any topic?
Politics, regardless of who is right at 83 yrs of age, I enlisted in the US Army and was Honorably discharged in 1968. My deepest concern is contemporary weapons of war. Almost any politician can covertly in private find accomplices to use weapons that the public simply can not comprehend. "Science-fiction" type weapons that have "special access" as in the "Havana Syndrome" or "Remote Viewing." What concern concerns the military use on military targets is generally acceptable, but then "special weapons" are used against the naive public w/no legal oversight or proper approval, then that becomes criminal and possibly treasonous. Horror after murder & injury from stealth attacks on the public by rouge agents gives little comfort from religious platitudes after the fact. Assertive disclosure must happen before tragedy when religious sympathy can be given in a calm discerning environment. I am very serious and feel urgency strongly as after a mass tragedy, there may not be many people to comfort...
y0u j0ined when y0u were 83 ??
@ob2249 Enlisted in 1963. Honorably discharged from the US Army at 26 ys old. Took a "compassionate extension" so I would not have to go into the "National Guard." You know 1960's history. Very much like now, society was deeply troubled.
I think compared to the rest of Europe fewer want to come to Uk . But those who do I think mainly because they speak the language or have family members here. That’s my understanding .
For me, the perfect example of speaking truth to power in the modern age was Desmond Tutu.
Augustine wrote The City of God in the same spirit, did he not? Indeed, the Roman Catholic church has gathered 2000 years of wisdom; I am reading the catechism at the moment.
Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it’s wise, especially in an organization deeply resistant to debate and discussion.
Without constant review and reconsideration, accumulated information is often more folly than wisdom.
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Different Jewish viewpoints are respected; likewise multiple Christian perspectives should be respected in the political realm, meaning, as John Owen would say, they don't merit persecution by the State.
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An excellent discussion, thank you all. On the issue of Israel and the promised land, I agree fully that we need to realise that God's promises to Israel have expanded out through Jesus' victory. The whole world is God's and the gospel is for all nations. And yet, as Paul also says, God's covenant with the Jews is not forgotten, and Paul hoped and expected their return as Christians.
So, yes, the promised land of Israel is now a global covenant, with the church - God's temple and presence by His Spirit living within us - alive in many nations, and yet concurrently, the land of Israel is still sacred in a hard to define way. It therefore seems to me that Christians should still treasure the covenanted promised land, even as we live in God's kingdom around the world. This would lead then to a political view in which the land should be protected for God's church (and for the Jews yet to be part of that church). We cannot include Muslims, who reject the real Jesus, in equal land division, for they have no part in the old covenant, or Kingdom. Palestinian Christians can certainly inherit the land, as can any and all who follow Christ. The modern church should certainly not get into wrong theology about supporting the Jews to build the third temple or anything like that - for we miraculously are now the temple. Yet we also cannot treat the land like any other bit of territory. It is God's, in a deeply lasting and promised way.
Well said
Apostle John called earthly Jerusalem "Sodom and Egypt'; and Apostle Paul said the physical Jerusalem that rejected the Messiah was the same as Hagar's descendants (not part of the covenants of God).
Revelation 11:8 MEV
Their dead bodies will lie in the street of *_the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,_* where also our Lord was crucified.
This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:
In the last days
the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
Come, descendants of Jacob,
let us walk in the light of the Lord.
The concern here is basically that Trump’s supporters do not care about theology.
Theology is just an excuse to support what they want to do anyway, good old Divine Sanction… marketing.
Some believe but it’s a purely transactional affair where they comply because they expect a reward or expect to avoid punishment.
Acting justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with the one who has already given so much out of gratitude is a foreign concept.
I disagree. Trumps supporters very clearly see a dangerous left, open borders, mass amnesty, tyrannical judicial system, incredible spending and wars. And the Christian's are anti abortion and the only thing the Harris does not get lost in word salads over is her love for abortion.
At the end of the day, daily politics in the U.S. is centered on abortion, until you hit the common non political population in their wallet. Then it's on economics.
And only the white people can be good Christian’s. They want to get rid of the immigrant Christian’s.
While Dr Wright misses me on his notion of what government should look like especially on his persistent dimining notion of American idea of the separation of church and state and disregard for them being a Constitutional Republic an idea drawn from scripture based on supreme law and consent of the governed, with all of that I would love for him (Dr Wright) to unpack his notion of cruciform theocracy.
The prof is very dodgy and undermines the sovereignty of God time and again. I have been watching him and at times want to be politically correct. In one one of the steams with TBN he banned the word eternity. This is man is very unreliable please stay away from people who bring confusion in Christian Church.
NT Wright would do well to make a Balance Sheet, and entitle the other half, What Trump Gets Right About Jesus.
And, along with all the media leaders, Wright needs to begin a column, entitled, Confessions of How I Underestimated Trump.
Yes. He better be, Christ or Chaos.
Can an Anglican make genuine political critique? They are beholden to the status quo. I have enjoyed N. T. immensely this last decade but find his guidance in the issues in recent years completely lacking and a bad example of Christian involvement. The issues in the upcoming US election are clear as day (and very weighty), but you wouldn't know it from this discourse. No need to dance around them with platitudes.
I see it as God reigning in people's lives. I believe Covid helped us to be reminded of faith in a creator. I believe in doctor's and think many are quite brilliant... yet some issues are related to deliverance and some doctors are leading people to become addicted to medications and denying the power of God. John Paul Jackson a respected prophet that passed spoke on dreams at medical colleges and doctors were getting insightes into patients through dreams.
You can make anyone or anything the god of something, works of fiction have that flexibility built into them.
Who? is defining fact from fiction?
On top this narrative won’t you agree the salt has lost its savor
Trump isn't a theological persona.
Who writes at a 6 grade education level and, a college grade to boot! Or, was that also bought
like his 4-F military deferment.
The medical field was silenced if you disagreed. The purpose of coming to a nation oftentimes is not for righteousness. Not being vaccinated was a threat of losing your job. We throwing around separation of church and state not sure what you mean or think...
"Unless you repent, you will also likewise perish."
Turn away from???
Jesus seems to be mysteriously absent lately.
We ignored the best doctors. Its like we pick our theologians not listening to the theologians doing and doctors doing but listen to the armchair theologians and arm chair experts.
No. Jesus was no politician.
Well, that isn't quite right
@@russellmiles2861 Explain please.
@@MarkVincent-v4i in 25 words or less : the Christians arose out of the majority of Hebrews who sought accommodation with the Romans. They had seen the rebels were decisively beaten. The render unto Ceaser, pacifist and shared business essentially. They broaden their ideology to universal blood atonement in contrast to annual temple atonement.
I'm not sure how much more political they could be - Jesus was a Quisling. Quite wise when the Roman prevailed for over a millenium and evolved into Western culture.
It worked.
@@russellmiles2861 It is very right actually. Part of why the religious elites opposed Jesus is because they were threatened by His gospel about the coming Kingdom of God. Like the other Jews, the religious elites assumed He was preaching a political message about kicking the Romans out of Judea. What they all failed to realize is that like Jesus told Pilate, the Kingdom He referred to is not of this world or its politics.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 fascinating
Whereas I thought Jesus' message was an accommodation with Romans ... It was more divided Hebrew ideology: the rebels and what became Christians.
And this not of this world is so like a Politician trying to one up their opposition: kinda like former President Trumps MAGA theme.
Either way; the early Christians were very political ...
I wonder what do you think about Russia Orthodox leaders who fully support Putin in his aggressive invasion of Ukraine ?
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@@АЛЕНОЯАПАЛЛИ what is the point of having a state church that doesn't support the state.
Jesus Said..”Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars.” Jesus made a clear distinction between separation of that which is world and that which is spiritual 😊❤
Respectfully- it was a trick question to which Jesus
replies a clever answer. On the surface it seems like he is condoning Caesars rule but to a religious Jew everything belongs to God, not an occupying force. If the world and spirit are separate why do we pray "on earth as it is in heaven"?
@@mikegalway4733 It's also one of the funniest jokes that Jesus plays in the entire new testament. Because first he asks them to look at a denarius, and to see whose face is on it. When they reply Caesar's, he says, essentially, "Well that must belong to him then. Give him what's his, but give to God what is God's."
44:55 Tom Wright has it totally wrong here. American politics has never been secular. God and faith has always played an enormous role in American politics. Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address (one of the most famous speeches in American history) is chock full of references to God. The Pledge of Allegiance says "One Nation Under God". The Declaration of Independence speaks of the Creator. The songs "America the Beautiful" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", although they are not legally instituted as national anthems, are (or previously have been) sung in schools and (until recently) were part of the American psyche. Senate sessions are still opened with prayer (this goes all the way back to the Continental Congress).
"Separation of church and state" originally mean that the U.S. would never establish a state church, as Britain did. It did not mean that God would be left out of political discourse.
The clickbait partisan headline is quite revealing as to where Wright stands.
The section on the Middle East came across to me as too much both-sidesism, numb to pain, devoid of compassion for those suffering, in tune with an oft broadcast narrative, distorting the true character of recent protests and evasive of UK complicity. NTW has spoken very differently on Apartheid in South Africa.
Not allowed to openly criticize a certain country’s politics or you’ll be labeled.
This is what happens to any human nation that lives and conducts life without the love for all life which is found in Jesus Christ.
If Your are truly in Jesus. Hatred towards others is absent only seeing Christs love for all, in all your neighbors eye's.
God told Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. I believe this promise is fulfilled in the true internationalism found in Christ. "After this I had a vision of a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb...." --Revelation 7:9
only question is... What is Jesus Christ to your life and existence?
America’s separation doctrine does not mean that the Judeo-Christian God, the 10 Commandments,etc., aren’t meant to be part of our American doctrine. It means that Government is not to favor one organizational church over another or one Christian theology over another. America is foundation ally Christian Protestant. . God is firmly foundational in America. It is very much part of America from the foundation. We pray in Congress, Godly blessings are part of inaugurations, etc. Our history does not go back before Jesus as it does in England. NT Wright is very wrong here about our foundational American government and the reasons why immigrants first created communities. He is making up history.
I love NT Wright, but I do have some disagreements with his legalistic pacifist theology and now this revisionist history of America’s foundations.
The problem when it comes to Israel Palestine debate is that people blame both sides while the real problem here is one side which completely dominate and bullies the other which has no support no power and no land even the little land they have is being controled by Israel. It seems to me we are paranoid to call a spade which is that Israel is a people from hell at least when you look from the point of view of Palestinians. No reasonable people can do the things Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
The phrase from the river to the sea is correct. All must be free from the river to the see. Right now Israel is free to go anywhere but Palestinians aren't.
Does Kamala follow Jesus and His teachings? Does she say she’s a believer in Jesus Christ ? I don’t know the answer to this. Is abortion a sin? Should abortion be for any reason and paid for by the state?
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@@dianecourtney2724 VP Harris is a professed Christian...As is former President Trump. Both support medical termination of pregnancy.
Trump is, without exaggeration, the most un-Christlike person I have ever seen. He has every single negative moral quality.
If abortion is a sin, people get to be sinners, because we allow non-Christians to be citizens. One thing we know for sure is that it's not murder. Fetuses aren't part of any census, even in the Bible. Fetuses aren't dependents on tax returns. We don't have child protective services monitoring pregnant women. We don't have manslaughter investigations for every miscarriage
Kamala follows God's teaching on caring for the poor, woe to those who make unjust laws against the poor, but she like Trump lacks God's full commands. Sin is sin, God does not show Partiality, you break one you break all. As Believers we have to remember not to be like the Pharisees.
Yes she said she’s a Christian.
yeah I'm not sure... NT.... the now but not yet comes to mind.. that.. breaks your principle argument about Jerusalem.
Though you nail the multi-cultural church, I'm not sure it can be church otherwise.
Jesus said, forgive and you will be forgiven.
Should be called what n.t Wright gets wrong about trump.
This video is like hitting around the bush, i don't know thoroughly, hard to understand a
God King 2025...
I accidentally stumbled onto this video and will make sure not to repeat my mistake. You take absolutely no responsibility to make sure that even so much as the premise you begin with is accurate. So it's all pretty much hogwash i. e. 1st of all in Romans 13:1-7 Paul is writing to Gentile believers in Rome to obey, not Roman secular/pagan authority, but to obey the God-ordained authority of the synagogue rulers in Rome. If God had put all in power who've been in authority then that would mean he put King Saul in authority which the Bible clearly states he did not because he did not want them to have a king but was allowing the people their God given free agency. And those people paid a heavy price for their wickedness.
The United States of America has a constitution that allows for civil disobedience although the law still applies and many have gone to jail in the process for their beliefs. You're a very unwise person. I suggest you actually read the Bible praying to God for understanding and give your heart and willing mind to him because it seems to me you haven't yet taken that very necessary step. If you sincerely want to know the answer to your question, that's how you'll find the wisdom.
Left ? Is no longer left. It is godless...suprize
I love Wright, but he works with caricatures, which is wildly unhelpful. Also, the thumbnail for this video is meant to be inflammatory clickbait, which seems to defeat the expressed intentions of the video. Also, it's not helpful when we're (American Christians) over here trying to stop a political party that celebrates murdering and butchering children.
Israel is also killing children…
And yet God is no respecter of persons and loves people who've been born just as much as the unborn so why do some of us complain about abortion but destructively cling to firearms of all types and amounts regardless of the precious lives taken even by suicide? Why do our so called pro life citizens not insist on prioritizing the basic needs of our food insecure population and make stronger laws against child abuse and other domestic abuse? Why do we not care as much that some women leaving the hospital with newborn know they'll both automatically be homeless because they can't afford both food and housing? And I could go on and on. That's why so many of us judge the pro life movement to be full of hypocrites. Y'all just wannabe pro SOME lives and judge which of the rest of us are expendable.
And….Trump isn’t a theologian or pastor??)
With all respect Tom Wright, the expression « From the river to the sea… » is originally an Israeli expression used by the Israeli colonialism to take over all the land, that’s 1. Second, yes from the river to the sea Palestine will be free from occupation. I thought you knew the area well and knew that in Israel/Palestine today the Palestinians are not free or second class citizens. You talk about peace but unless there is justice and equality of rights how can there be peace. I am a bit disappointed in your argument.
Right, and he highlights the problem of either group claiming 100% of the land because of the obvious problem of what to do with the people in the other tribe.
Your banner Trump got it wrong...... Isn't that a little ne to lure subscribers??? Unbelievable for such a respectable site!
So what does Kamala Harris get wrong! Everyone likes to pick on Trump, but no one likes to say anything about Harrisz
Trump likes to be worshipped. Kamala likes to use word salad. But she did say to someone, who shouted, "Jesus is Lord," that he was at the wrong rally. So, you could observe that she is anti-Christian.
Trump is evil
B/c he tries to get “evangelicals” to believe him a Christian…Harris doesn’t do that … yet she is more honest and more compassionate than trump…so disappointing that America would vote him in again
@LauraKasson Trump is clearly not a Christian. But he isn't trying to get more women into sacrificing babies to the gods of the left.
It appears that even the Bidens may have voted for Donald as a way to get back at Obama and the deep state.
To be frank, if one cares to read the Bible: there is Elohim killing every man woman and child at Sodom (Genesis 19:24),ordering the ripping the unborn from their mother's womb (Hosea 13:16) slowly killing Beshebas's baby (2 Samuel 12 17) killing the Firstborn (Exodus 12:29) putting to death women, children and infants (1 Samuel 15:3), has 2 She bear kill boys (2 Kings 2:24), killing Jobs children (Job 1: 19) and all the other tales of God killing children
Yes, former President Trump seems to be a kitten in comparison to Jesus.
When looking at the Bible, we should take a look at all of God's dealings with humanity to gain a more accurate picture of who God is. Look at Jesus - God in the flesh - who was viciously murdered by Jewish leaders and the Romans and yet said "Forgive them; for they know not what they do." He told us to "love our neighbor as yourself" (found in the Old Testament as well in Leviticus 18:19) and divinely inspired Paul to write "[l]ove is patient, love is kind. It does not envy or boast..." Indeed, His act of sacrificial love upon the cross showed humanity what true love is. Would you be willing to admit that this is also part of God as outlined in the Bible?
God is also a God of justice. God waited centuries for the ancient Isrealites to repent from murder, thievery, and gross oppression because He is "slow to anger and of great mercy" (Psalm 145:8-9). When they did not, He sent them into exile and then judged the Babylonians for their cruelty towards Judeans during the sacking of Jerusalem (Jeremiah 50). Should God have sat idly by while bands of rapists prowled the streets of Sodom and Gibeah? Should He have allowed the brutal slavery of the Hebrews in Egypt? Did He not give enough Pharoah enough chance to repent through several plagues or would Pharoah just not listen? When the wicked thrive, humanity accuses God of inaction; however, when God judges the evil and injustice of humanity, we are dissatisfied (even though our self-centeredness is the root of the evil). Is that fair?
To be honest, we should not be too quick to judge God for the deaths of children when we snuff out the life of many a baby through abortion.
@@mcw3560 so we are cool with worshiping a child killer - glad we sorted that one out
And why didn't god punish Pharoah instead of the baby of some slave at the mill.
Just asking, for a friend
@@mcw3560 you are worshiping a baby killer or you aren't.
Which is it - or are you just going to avoid answering the question.
Jesus said to Pilate lm no part of this world and neither is my kingdom otherwise my people would rise against you.
Jesus came preaching and teaching and healing and raising the dead.
At Jesus birth Herod king of isreal in Jerusalem tried to kill Jesus.
He failed he killed 2000 innocent children males.
Jesus goes to Egypt for 3 years until the death of Herod.
Unfortunately when Mary and Joseph came back from Egypt with 3 years old Jesus.
Archelus Herod's son who was worse than Herod was a threat to jesus.
Therefore Jesus went to Galilee Nazareth that's where he was brought up until age 12.
Mary and Joseph and jesus had to go back to Jerusalem for a census and visit the temple.
Here Jesus speaks with the priesthood.
They are overwhelmed with his knowledge and wisdom and understanding.
It's here they knew that jesus Christ Messiah designated leader of the kingdom of God had returned to Jerusalem.
After 30 years Jesus was preaching the kingdom of god was near.
The then Roman Catholic church Roman empire and Sanhedrin priesthood conspired to kill Jesus.
At the age of 33 and half year's they finally crucified Jesus.
Jesus was crucified died and was buried on the third day resurrected back to life.
Went back to heaven and sent the power from above back to a public house Inn.
Not palace or temple but a common house.
Here 120 male and female disciple's received the long awaited holy spirit.
Joel chapter 2 v 28 to 32 God said in the last days I shall pour out my spirit on both sons and daughters.
This was the last days of the old testament.
Genesis to Malachi.
Matthew started the new testament and revelation ended the New testament.
Do you think Jesus had any ties with the government officials and politicians of isreal or Roman empire who crucified Jesus.
Yes. He was their boss (whether they knew it or not).
I wouldn't vote for Harris or Trump.
I also ignored the lock-downs, mask mandates and the Covid quaccine!
right 0n man
If you don't vote for Trump, you will get Kamala for sure. Is that what you want?
Bonhoeffer was right. Stupidity is more dangerous than evil...
The prof is very dodgy and undermines the sovereignty of God time and again. I have been watching him and at times want to be politically correct. In one one of the steams with TBN he banned the word eternity. This is man is very unreliable.
I’ll wait for the video detailing what Biden and Harris get wrong about Christianity.
Well a lot of evangelicals in USA support Donald Trump and he is going to president.... They support him to the extent that it would be against their beliefs not to.
@ yes. I voted for Trump 3 times. I’m tired of elites preaching the immorality of Trump while standing on the mountains of dead children
We come closer to our God day by day thanks to His firstborn Son from the dead, the Christ from Nazareth.
It's the Trinity Dogma that hinders most to enter the Kingdom of the Spirit of God in truth. Liars cannot enter the Kingdom of the Spirit. There is a spiritual and moral obstacle for all distorters of the Word of God and furthermore a pre-taste of God's Justice.
Thanks for the widening of the perception of the Word of God and his wonderful Messengers! 🍷🪔😘
Counter Point: Trump’s favorite book is the Bible and his favorite passage is “all of it”. So there!
What happened to My Life, Mein Kempf...?? Thought that was his bedside favorite book???
Here, and on the Premier channel, I see a sort of straight man / comic presentation: Someone sets up Wright with a question, and then he blows and blows and blows. I'm glad Wright is s dead-set against the way we see things in America--maybe he'll spend more time on The Continent with his chums and his tea and his bits of this and that; his janglings about 1st century Palenstine; and his notions of all that is "badly incorrect."
I'm from the American South: Dig this: Tom Wright may have a dog that can smell something that no one else's dog can smell. That is a distinct possibility. However, IF Tom Wright does indeed have a dog that can smell something no one else's dog can smell, then, Mister...THAT'S ONE MIGHTY RARE DOG.
"The most exquisite folly is made of wisdom spun too fine.” -Benjamin Franklin.
He’s clearly NEVER reading the red and blue books right on the top shelf is he…. 📚
He is quite possibly reading them: they're the classic Loeb translations of Roman (red) and Greek (blue) texts.
Now do Kamala and the democrats narratives….
Dr. Wright, how sad that you either reject or do not understand Biblical prophecy regarding Israel. I hope your view is not representative of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), because if it is, then I’m leaving! Israel was reconstituted as a nation state as Biblical prophecy foretold, and in your very sight, yet you have the audacity to deny and delegitimize God’s plan and prophesied end. Very, very disappointing!
Why should Christian opinions on political issues be restricted to a clique of "experts", rather than e.g. Christians whose lives are directly affected by policies? By all means encourage temperance, patience, dignity in speech, respect for rulers, etc, but hard NO! to silencing the common Christian. Not many wise, not many noble, A-OK.
At least Trump talks about Jesus and desires for America to have freedom of religion! Opposite of Democrat leadership.
Taking the name in vain isn’t a good thing.
Freedom of religion means the government isn’t shoving it down your throat in public schools.
As a descendant of Friends and Catholics on one side and Puritans on the other, the state endorsing one religion always means persecution of all other religious groups.
The guy who promised a “Muslim Ban” isn’t for freedom of religion.
@@Justanotherconsumer You're right about using God's name in vain. He certainly isn't the best model as a Christian in that regard. However, he protects the rights for religion for all people without shame. He is not afraid to say the Name of "Jesus" even when used in a good way. His intention is good but sometimes his mouth messes up for sure. Lol. Take Peter in the Gospels for our screw up example of a follower of Jesus. In fact, all the disciples eventually deserted Jesus. Yet Jesus came back for them and renewed their faith in him. Like doubting Thomas that said , "my Lord and my God".
I think it is a safe and proper to say Trump is a growing carnal Christian. However, there is no way I can say that he does not LOVE America. He wants us all to prosper and desires to keep us safe. At this time, He is the best option for America.
You are wrong about Democrats. They are for individuals making their own choices, not having someone else's vision of faith imposed on the rest of us by religeous hucksters.
But do you not think that ALL American politicians love their country and want its success? They just have different views on how that is to be achieved.
@@MarkVincent-v4iYes, Trump is wonderful, caring, humble and generous.
Jesus triumphed over Roman politics by willingness to do "whatever it takes" to become named King of the Jews in a Roman court of Law, because Law matters. This seems to be why so many Jews in the 1st century believed Jesus would politically and militarily overthrow Rome. See "Jesus' Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament" by DS WAGGONER. In the end, we see that, thanks to Jesus' willingness to do whatever it takes to be named "King" in a Roman court of law, is how eventually the entire Roman political landscape, and the entire Roman military fell to their knees in his honor. Servanthood wins the victory.
Stay out of politics don’t ruin your genius biblical teachings.
N. T. Wright who?
has heard of Lewis but this guy....
Do some googling, he’s fairly well known.
God Bless Donald Trump.
Oh shut up Tom: you talk way too much. There’s no conversation with him; it’s like a lecture.
Lovely books! As dutifully commented on.
Your theory that prolife individuals are somehow inspired by the Greek god of violence and his interaction with the goddess of love is probably the most bizarre take I’ve ever heard. Tom thinks that Trump is Cesare. Tom the Woke Industrial Complex is Cesare!!
A little advice Tom : humility is a great virtue
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Yes. Once Wright gets started, he can go on and on. But he is British! 😁
NT Wrong 😂😂😂
To be fair: his world view includes talking snakes, virgin births and vampires. Perhaps even stolen elections.
Not a very credible source on things religious
Who needs today,I mean 21century this Tom Wright and his crazy teaching. He looks like not normal person to me.Sorry if I am wrong