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There is a fangame called "Sonic Venture" for the game "Dreams" in ps4 and ps5, i haven't played it because i don't own either console, but i have seen videos of it and it just looks AWESOME, but all of the videos about it don't have commentary and i would love to see someone review it.
Ok a sonic robo blast 2 player here for one there's different styles of play standerd strafe and another id recommend strafe for keyboard and mouse plus you picked the hardest character to play as for beginners being sonic his thok is very powerful and those who don't understand his abilities and how to properly utilize them need to sit and practice to master them I don't mean to be harsh but the main thing is that the easy character is tails I would recommend playing as tails to get used to the physics then master sonic's thok later on and finally I would recommend a re-evaluation when you understand these factors it's a stellar game for those who understand the engine
Dev of Horizons here. Yeah a lot of the issues and bugs mentioned here are the aftermath of me rushing the hell out of the game in fear that if I pulled out of SAGE at the last minute I'd get a lot of hate (so basically I was in a lose-lose situation). I knew the game was too buggy and unfinished to be out there, but I pushed myself to the limit to *try* and get it in a playable state (fyi: I'm the only person working on the game, it's a one-man army). In the end, I was really disappointed in myself with how it came out. Left my body absolutely disabled for like 3 days due to the extreme stress and overwork I put myself through, and let out a buggy mess of a game. Though even with all the hate and stuff, I kept an open mind and have been gathering as many opinions as I could to build a new document regarding the development for it, and we've recently restarted work on majority of the areas to hopefully fix and make the game as good as it can be also you can rev the spindash by spamming A/space
Damn 06 for fan games moment Ok seriously I love your fangame strip keep take your time and heal before you get back in there it’s ok Btw in the beta/ test level area if the previous build I liked getting a hang of sonics wall running but the controls seem a bit loose so on smaller wall run sections it’s a struggle to hold on in the previous build wall running sections where huge I think the wall running needs to be tighter for small wall running platforms or to make them larger bc sonic goes to fast to use the wall running
Hey, the game looks incredible and it’s obvious that you’re more than competent at what you do. Take your time with it and I’m sure it’s gonna be amazing.
Hi, Falk here. Thanks for the shoutout! Would just like to point out I had an entire professional career between Sonic Before the Sequel (and its sequels, lol) and Sonic Mania which often gets overlooked- it's not as simple as "make fan game, hope SEGA notices". James, Pejman, Andy and myself did and still do a lot of retail soundtracks together. I worked on everything from Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy and a whole slew of other Japanese games, to a few rhythm games, several Malaysian games (where I'm from), to anime like Made in Abyss, before shipping Sonic Mania with Tee Lopes. I mention this because I'd like to give practical advice to folks hoping there's some kind of shortcut. There isn't one. Fan games are cool, but nothing beats actual industry experience with the accountability and triage that comes with getting a product over the finish line to ship, and that's honestly irreplaceable. Knowing the franchise inside out is a plus. On the other, knowing how to finish a project in time, within budget and without stepping on anyone's toes too much is mandatory. Get out there and make original games too! On the flipside, if that's a little bit of a downer to hear, I do come bearing gifts in the form of officially acknowledging that I've included a few easter eggs from this fan project in the Sonic Symphony tour, of which I'm co-music directing. :V Gotta respect my roots and all that
Some SRB2 tips! If you're playing with Keyboard + Mouse, I'd HIGHLY recommend switching the camera mode to "Manual" instead of "Automatic". With Manual Camera, the camera will ONLY move when you tell it to (which is ideal for mouse controls), and most importantly character abilities like Sonic's Speed Thok will ALWAYS go in the direction of the camera, NOT the direction of the character. This makes it WAY easier to aim the Speed Thok to go exactly where you want, and - with *practice* - it's possible to be incredibly precise and have it aid (rather than hurt) platforming. Though as a beginner, I'd say maybe only use the Speed Thok on straights when you're sure there isn't a bottomless pit nearby. Greenflower Zone Act 2 makes a fantastic practice ground, actually. (Act 1 is a little small.) As for level design, the levels themselves are designed to be played through with Sonic in mind, and so if you end up skipping things as Tails/Knuckles/modded characters, you may end up unsure which way is forwards. Rings, springs and signposts will *generally* point the way, but sometimes it isn't so clear. (And, just so you know, the game's actually pretty great at NOT having softlocks - that pit you were in which you thought you had to fly out of? There was a button at the bottom of the goop, which raises the goop so Sonic can get out.) If you manage to get your controller working (make sure to select which controller is "active" in the "Select Gamepad..." option in the menu), I would heavily recommend setting your "Jump" and "Spin" buttons to the bumpers (L/R) or triggers (zL/zR). This is so you can always have your thumb on the right analogue stick for camera control, and even makes "Manual" controls usable on a controller (though you might still want to go with "Automatic" - that one's personal preference). I have the game set up on my Steam Deck with these controls, and while I lose a *bit* of accuracy compared to KB+M (analogue sticks be how analogue sticks be), I still have far more control than I would in a game like, say, Sonic Adventure.
Have you tried turning on "Orbital looking" in the SRB2 controls? That positions the camera center on Sonic, rather than on a point behind him. You might also consider switching to the OpenGL renderer to enable 3D models and enable vertical camera control (which doesn't work well with the Software renderer), which can help with depth perception and positioning. I'd also recommend avoiding the use of the thok for most platforming. It's not intended to be used like an air dash. Basic jumps can take you a lot further than you might expect, and spindash jumps can be used for larger gaps. The thok is almost never applicable to jumping from one platform to another (at least not until you get really good at the game). For inexperienced players, it functions best as a way to pick up speed in hallways or to change direction quickly.
@@GrownUpMonke69 Weirdly enough, I don't truly get a handle on Sonic's momentum in SRB2 until I turned auto-brake *off*, thus forcing myself to figure out how much I needed to tap/hold backwards to avoid overshooting jumps and sliding off ledges. It's similar to what you have to learn in 2D Sonic, with one notable difference in that SRB2 has a somewhat odd mid-air acceleration curve, which can be seen most easily in the low-gravity sections of Egg Rock. Notably, Sonic Team Junior has been working on another massive update to the game that will change the physics to be even more momentum-based (and presumably remove the weirdness with mid-air acceleration); alongside this, they're currently planning to remove the thok, since its mostly static speed doesn't work well with the new physics. However, they have yet to figure out what to replace the thok with, and it currently looks like the next major update is still a few years away.
Actually the camera in roboblast 2 is technically a first person camera used for a third person game, since roboblast 2 is actually a heavily modified version of doom
It's no wonder SEGA got fans to create Sonic Mania. They knew the fans are what still hold this game up, as well as have been improving this franchise... mostly.
Sonic Mania was a joint effort, the "fans" and Sonic Team/Sega themselves came together to do it, Christian Whitehead, Headcannon or PagodaWest Games didn't do it in the afternoons at home when they were bored and had free time. Whitehead even worked before with Sega to create the port of Sonic 1, 2 and CD (the best versions of these games, even superior to the origins versions). He was more than just a fan, he was an already recognized member. Stop using it as an excuse, Sonic Mania is wonderful, but it exists thanks to the collaboration of both parties. Also, do you think there are no fans within Sonic Team? ask yourself that.
unfortunately Mania is a remix of older games for tge most part rather than its own game. While it was upsetting I didn't like the soundtrack as a whole, seeing seceral new zones was cool, but it felt like this is what the game was supposed to be about as a whole. I didn't know I was paying for remaster/remix thing when I was making a pre-purchase. Dunno if I would actually be buying the game if I did know that. The trailer wilth electot having letters like 1-2-3-K-M was one of. the things making me believe this game was. gonna be a fully new experience like each game from 1 to &K chapters was
I was literally just listening to combat night zone because that is such a banger, this is such a nice video to see. The amount and abundance of Sonic fan games making it a whole topic is something I'm glad to see you cover in one whole video.
Honestly, I'm SO glad that someone is actually reviewing Sonic Omens as a actual game instead outright just calling bad because other people doing it, respect (also btw, fantastic video!)
On the SRB2 discussion, I got to disagree The level design does a great job of show casing each of the core 3's strengths and weaknesses that recontextualizes each stage for them in ways only really seen in 3K, The Advanced Trilogy and Most recently Mania. Of course theres Sonic with the Thok, as you pointed out is incredible for Speed, but it's hard to master as a platforming tool, which is fine because... Tails has his flight and its just as strong as the Thok, not as fast but it more than makes up with it with line's through stages Sonic can only dream of and of course the extra precision when platforming is huge until you can get uses to other characters. Then there's Knuckles, sporting a worse jump that sometimes forces him into his very own sections of the stage just like 3K and Mania, where the level design can be built around his unique traits in climbing and Gliding. However not to say that everyone is a home run, the unlockable characters are a mixed bag. Amy makes an appearance and takes the SRB2 formula to the extreme since without a spindash she often has to find other methods of going fast. My favorite example being Arid Canyon 1 where her speedrun route has her build up momentum before jumping, precisely hammer bouncing off an enemy which gives her a ton of height and mantaining her speed, Amy might not be the best character, but she's the best example of what SRB2 does. Fang however is the other nospin and by far my least favorite character. His pop gun is terrible at doing really anything other than hitting bosses and his tail bounce, while it's his main source of speed, is dependent on the terrain in a way that's more frustrating than interesting unlike Amy or even the Spindash of the core 3. While Knuckles is harder than Sonic and especially tails, he can still be an enjoyable time, but Fang? He really needs a master to even be the slightest bit fun... At least he's probably my favorite character in Battlemod? Bullying other nospins with his gun is always fun.
@@dappleofthedualies Oh shoot yeah. Don't know how I passed him by since he's the only character I actually managed to get all the chaos emeralds on. Really though, yeah Boost mode aside, the hover doesn't change how he interacts with levels at all, at least nothing that comes to mind. Another fun character for Battlemod though.
@@starmangalaxy2001 "Hover doesn't change how he interacts with levels" WHAT?! The hover is probably the main point of Metal Sonic, with me constantly using it to avoid death. It's probably the reason Metal Sonic is so fun, because it's.. interesting. And honestly, I can't think of anything interesting for him, and, the hover actually works with speed, instead of the characters mentioned. So, that kind of makes Metal Sonic want to go fast for the hover thing, and as well for the spike bursting, higher speed, and.. yeah. It's really small, but it's definitely effective.
I may get flack for this, but I'm not a fan of fan games as much as other people are. Some people act like their the best Sonic games and are better than anything official, and I can't disagree more. That being said, I have to commend the passion and effort that goes into these because it is remarkable. It's great to see fans express their creative freedom with these games, and I'm glad Sonic Team/SEGA are letting fans do this. I may not be the biggest fan of fan games, but I still want them to exist because I know how much people love them, and I want fans to continue to create some great projects.
While most aren’t better than the official games, some such as P06, TT 16-Bit, GT, Fallen Star, and the fan remasters of 1, 2, 3&K and CD are objectively better than most official games, I’d argue that from a mechanical POV, P06 is the best 3D Sonic by far, while 3&K Air is basically on the level of Mania, aka peak 2D Sonic. Edit: Let’s not forget that Mania was made by the fans, aka the best 2D official sonic game, in some regard can be called a fan game.
@@adonicetrig8908 Mania can in some regards be called a fan game, but it can in no regards be called the best 2D game. It takes too much from Sonic 3 in terms of level design, and 3's levels were mostly too big and forgettable, and so is Mania's except with worse music, story, and bosses than 3, in fact they are even bigger. If the level design was more like CD or Sonic 4 I would have liked it more.
Honestly SRB2 has an issue with it's default settings. The camera issues you pointed out are fixable by messing with the settings, particularly by enabling OpenGL, vertical look, and orbital look, and it's strange that they just haven't since it would prevent situations like 32:04 where the intended path forward is harder than it should be to find. Also I find it really strange how they never made Sonic less floaty. His lack of vertical abilities makes him one of the worst base game characters to play as and mods of Sonics from other games (particularly Adventure Sonic) end up fitting in better with the level design as a result. Also minor correction: the story isn't a follow up to Sonic 1, but rather the original Sonic Robo Blast
You don't play original Sonic roboblast he's going to hate it and he has good reasons too you know how bad it is I mean it was good fan game for the time
My favorite mods in srb2 is meta knight by FAR. I love how the character easily lets you control how fast you go with the multi jumps and easy to land attacks, which helps a lot when there’s a bunch of enemies. Going fast enough even changes some of the moves, which is pretty cool. Also you can instantly stop all your momentum with the ground slam.
If I'm gonna be honest. I'm kinda more excited for Newtrogic panic rather than galactic. Compared to the two games, newtrogic just looks more visually appealing, and looks more alive than what is bascially a Mania 2. It's style and level design and characters in the sneak peaks make me all the more excited for it.
I LOVE this video! I've been saying for the longest time we need to normalise using critique on Sonic Fan Games, if we just praise it because "Oh a fan made it and it's free so stop complaining" they're not going to grow as a developer leaving them to look for issues themselves which could make later entries worse as a result.
You should check out Sonic World DX. It’s Adventure-style gameplay with a bunch of characters and levels to play, secrets and unlockables, and even a basic chao garden
Literally one of my favorite things to do in Sonic and the Fallen Star is to find a thunder shield, mash the jump button, and just go to town in terms of speed. It's REALLY fun to do
Fr, Sonic Robo Blast 2 is my current favorite 3D Sonic fangame.... though I have no doubt getting to use a controller greatly increased my enjoyment of it. Losing one's way or getting bogged down by puzzles, I've found those are mainly an issue in one zone, Deep Sea.... and yet, I have a great time with that stage too! At least with my favorite routes. With how infamous water levels in Sonic games are, it's pretty stunning they made Sonic fun to control underwater in 3D, of all things. Most of the time, the routes feel layered much like the top, middle and bottom routes you'd expect in 2D, frequently intersecting to give you plenty of chances to change course if there's another route you prefer 'cause it fits your playstyle or you just think it's neat. What I love most about SRB2 is the pacing. The flow of the platforming and just running and jumping moment to moment is fantastic, and it's unbelievably satisfying to make huge leaps with the crazy hangtime only otherwise seen in 2D classic Sonic games (and now Sonic Frontiers.) Things are constantly happening, but not overwhelmingly so. It's like a song and dance. There's a rhythm. With the best Sonic games, it isn't enough to simply beat it. The goal is to LOOK COOL beating it, and SRB2 gives you that with level design and controls that compliment each other really well. There's just a biiiit of a learning curve, like with any Sonic controls that give you room to f*ck around.
I really was really expecting you to end it on a 1-2 punch combo with P-06 and TT16B, with the video format alternating between 2D and 3D for the most part... hearing that last part made my thoughts feel validated, I'll just go check if the video is out, and if not, I'll just stick around.
For SRB2, I HIGHLY recommend trying to play in First Person mode if you're doing Mouse + Keyboard. It's my preferred way to play and the control becomes very smooth after playing for a few zones. Also it seems like you didn't change your sensitivity. You can change both your vertical and horizontal sensitivity allowing for incredibly precise camera controls, which can be found in Mouse Options. Try a lower sensitivity since you're struggling to move in a straight line. While in there, turn Mousemove off (Mousemove stops the character from moving forward with the mouse and instead only with a keyboard) and perhaps turn First-Person MouseLook off as well if you're really struggling (MouseLook stops you from looking up or down). While in settings, change Playstyle to Manual as that's intended for Mouse + Keyboard. Manual will stop the camera from automatically changing every time you move in a direction and gives you 100% control over the camera. 32:00 The game will never softlock you for playing with Sonic only. You're supposed to jump on those pistons into the goo, there's a button down there that will flood the area. There really isn't any "puzzle-solving" outside of this one button and Deep Sea Zone. Two quick pieces of advice: Never Thok if you don't know the level design. It's like boosting in Sonic Unleashed, great if you know how to play the game, if you don't, you will fail. Don't skip sections with a character's abilities (like Tail's flight) if you don't know the layout. The stages have multiple intended paths to the end, skipping a section and landing halfway though a platforming section means you will get lost.
Have you played Triple Trouble 16 Bit? Kinda thought that was a slam dunk to be in this video and I think it does Classic Sonic gameplay pretty much the best of any finished Classic fangame (Galactic is better, but just one zone ATM). Also even though Encore and GT aren't as tightly designed as they could be, I think it benefits for nearly endless replay value. You aren't likely to get the same experience twice! Semi-relatedly, one of the reasons I think Generations gets an edge over Colors and Unleashed is that I feel it's the boost game with the most stages that open up 3D level design a bit more, coming closer to Adventure 1. Not all the Modern stages really star in opening up 3D (Green Hill pretty much keeps you on rails for instance in the 3D parts), but the likes of Sky Sanctuary, Seaside Hill, the first half of City Escape, even some sections of Rooftop Run and the start of the otherwise disappointing Planet Wisp really give glimpses of how 3D boost design can also incorporate more path exploration.
as a diehard fan of srb2, your criticisms are all valid, but mostly for first-time players. i found myself thinking a lot of the same things when i initially played srb2, but because i stuck with it, i eventually found them to be non-issues or even upsides in a few cases for the camera, the default mode is designed for use with controllers, but keyboard and mouse is how most long-time srb2 players do it. that's because you can switch the camera mode to manual in the settings, putting it almost entirely in your control. it's a bit more advanced than the standard one you used, which is why it isn't the default option, but once you get used to it it's far superior to the janky and disorienting standard camera for the controls, they're something that can be irritating for a new player but become one of the game's most defining features once you get used to them. sonic's speed thok (airdash) isn't designed for platforming or combat - it's designed for speed. you press the button, you go fast. if you try to use it for platforming, you go fast off the edge of a platform to your doom. if you try to use it against a boss, you go fast off the edge of the arena. the speed thok is really good in its intended context, but outside of that you just have to get used to the game's weird momentum if you want to have an easier time with the platforming the levels are confusing at first, but become a lot more navigable when you play them enough. techno hill zone act 2 was a nightmare on my first few playthroughs but it feels like home to me by now. if i could have my wedding in gfz1 i would, and if i could have my wedding be _with_ gfz1 that'd be even better the puzzles i have no defense for lmao. even on repeat playthroughs they're busywork at best and deep sea zone gargoyles at worst, i have no clue what purpose they're meant to serve pretty much everything about sonic robo blast 2 is difficult for beginners, but becomes an upside the more you replay it. and between the 6 characters playable in the main game, the endless character addons, the tricky controls, and the open levels, there's plenty to offer for those repeat playthroughs that keep players repeatedly coming back tl;dr srb2 has a high barrier for entry, but if you stick with it the weird and frustrating parts become the highlights of the game
If you ever do a multi fan game video again, you should definitely cover sonic momentum. The way it combines movement with combat is literally one of the best things you can ask for. While expanding on ideas in series like advance.
My biggest problem with Smackdown is that the characters' eyes and mouths don't move at all, and compared to the expressive and goofy style of Sonic The Fighters, the characters look very empty. I still prefer Sonic The Fighters Blitz, a Mugen recreation of Sonic The Fighters that still maintains the goofy, cartoony style of the original.
One thing I noticed in Smackdown is that I *recognize* some of those animations, most of them must have been taken from other fighting game characters to spare time, must be the reason as to why some of their body parts appear to clip into each other. I don't know why they don't even animate their faces but... it's fine I suppose maybe they will do it later
@@AltKaxREAL It's been a couple of years or more since this game has been in development and they still haven't done anything about the characters' facial expressions, and I think they should focus on that first instead of adding more characters.
Fun fact!: SRB2 does have settings u know that can fix the issues you have with the game, and like I did with my controller, just use steam or something to calibrate it
@@SFproductions1i also had controller issues (never works, certain bindings never work, jump bound to left stick for some reason?), but I genuinely love SRB2. I’m not sure what my settings are, but I never feel motion sick or disoriented. Maybe it’s because I have the camera centered on Sonic? Not sure.
My controller works that's weird maybe it's probably cuz I'm on Linux but when you open steam it messes up my controller it makes it drift like a joy con cuz I use the switch controller
Sonic fans are making tabletop games, too! It's been relatively under the radar, but there have been a number of tabletop RPGs released with the post lockdown tabletop boom, of which I am one.
i think you forgot about the unlockable characters while you were talking about SRB2, and I personally think they're pretty unique, but they could probably use some work. playable metal sonic is pretty cool though, he uses the same moveset as sonic, but instead of his speed thok, he gets a hover ability, plus a dash mode, which gradually makes him faster the more you run, as long as you don't go too slow.
Hey man I found out abt u a few months ago but only recently started watching ur sonic related content which I find pretty interesting and fun. I def like these longer videos cus ur topics are js super fun with how you talk abt them but ik its a lot a work for u. Regardless tho, great job man n I subbed💯
I really wish you covered Sonic World DX in this video; I don't really see a lot of people talking about it, which is a shame, because it's pretty good! A varied roster of playable characters with their own unique abilities, fun stages to go through with different objectives, Encore Levels that change the stage entirely, costumes to unlock, menu options to change the UI and sound effects, and OH MY GOD, the mod support...! So many new characters, stages, and themes to add to the game!
In older versions of SRB2, Sonic was actually stated in his character description on the select screen to be not a good character for beginners. It's intended for you to get a proper feel for the game as Tails or Knuckles first, and then play again as Sonic. Though, that part of his description was removed in the 2.2 update.
Encore may use the same engine as GT, but GT feels much better to play to me, I also prefer GT's level design for the most part. The badnik placement in Encore is horrendous. I got utterly lost in Ice Cap as well.
32:02 If the footage was an example, let me explain. So, there are a LOT OF physics based gimmicks in this game. And this is probably the one which is most focused on physics. Basically, you first need to land on one of the two pillars. Then, when it starts going up and reaches a decent speed, you need to jump so you can gain a lot of height. Finally, you need to aim for the middle and fall in there. There is a button at the bottom which rises the chemicals, which rises you. The problem is, game doesn't tell or indicate this at all. I was also stuck when I was first going through this. But this and some of deep sea zone is like... The only puzzle-solving aspects. Also I figured I'd mention, this is my favorite Sonic game OF ALL TIME. Mods included. This game is really really hard to get into, and even if not, you'll probably get motion sickness. But I didn't, and I liked the vanilla game, and I LOVED the mods. One thing to point out though, if you straight up didn't like or have fun with the vanilla game, no mod will save your experience. Adventure Sonic alters the gameplay too much, Modern Sonic is just overpowered and sucks. There are MUCH MUCH BETTER levels as mods than the vanilla levels, but that doesn't help when most people don't like the physics.
Some other people have mentioned suggestions for having an easier time with SRB2, but for what it's worth - if you want an ideal new-player experience, but you also want to actually play as Sonic(tm), try out the Adventure Sonic mod. It has its own quirks for sure, but AdvSonic's moveset is so versatile that it gives you a lot more cushion for making mistakes, or (more importantly) recovering from mistakes. Combined with a controller and the "orbital looking" option someone else brought up, it's a fantastic primer. In a lot of ways, I'd argue that mods are really the way to go in general for SRB2, for good and ill. The default characters are all fun enough, but their mechanics tend to feel kinda basic compared to modded characters. Default Sonic has the Thok and Spindash and that's it, while AdvSonic has the Spindash, Homing, Bounce, LS Dash, and so on.
the reason why you had difficulty with srb2 is because you prob used the automatic camera style which is for controllers instead of the manual style which is for keyboard and mouse(you can also edit the speed of the camera),btw it's not a follow up to sonic 1,it's a follow up to SRB1 which the first sonic fan game ever.
9:11 Speed Highway? That's Studiopolis also, about SRB2, most of that is prob just not understanding the game, but I can't really talk considering I've only had it for a few months. Try the unlockables tho, Metal is super fun to play.
Did you know: Someone made a standalone application based on Sonic Robo Blast 2 that's a kart racer. It's called Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart [or SRB2Kart for short] and even has its own mods
about srb2,i can understand with the puzzles, the techno hill act 2 at the end has you jumping off those rising platform’s into the goop to press a button. when i first played the game, (i already heard of it years ago but never wanted to play it) i was also very confused, but after looking through the speedruns, i got used to it. even today i still get confused
My favourite thing in sonic games is when they utilise the other characters in gameplay, I’m dying to see a 3D sonic game that puts characters like omega and vector into their own unique missions to do with with their character
Thank you for showing me Sonic Time Twisted. I LOVE Sonic CD and always wished it had Super Sonic. But Time Twisted has time stones and chaos emeralds??? Oh so cannot wait!!
a really cool demo that, in my opinion, is the perfect blend of classic sonic & 3D momentum is Sonic Utopia. its not a full game, more like a tech demo, but its so fun and satisfying to just run and explore the areas
Regarding SRB2's puzzles, you don't have to do any if you take specific routes (usually puzzles just lead to an emerald token); for myself, I'm used to taking the fastest ones since I've been playing for over a decade. It's definitely one of those games you get more enjoyment out of once you're no longer playing blind. Also never had a crash with Sonic TT, beaten it multiple times, so maybe it's a compatibility issue with your OS.
5:53 I was skeptical of that so I went to check and, to my surprise, Before the Sequel was indeed finished after Sonic Colors released. Anyway, worth mentioning how the creator went on to create the Spark the Electric Jester series, which are fantastic games in their own right. If you haven't, i beg of you to check them out.
The Sonic FanGames are good but I’m not much of a fan of Sonic FanGames. In my opinion I honestly think that Sonic FanGames can have some problems. I definitely had some great experiences playing Sonic FanGames. I’m a person who doesn’t really play Sonic FanGames often. I’m still not the biggest fan of Sonic FanGames but I definitely will be enjoying them and having interesting experiences with Sonic FanGames. Great video My Dude)
Weird people want momentum based 3d sonic games but sega never really made any momentum 3d sonic games, and when some indie game that isnt sonic is using momentum based speedy gameplay, they get called a sonic knockoff or something but sega never made any 3d momentum games!! Thats a fan game exclusive thing
@@SFproductions1 I actually thought the level design was pretty straightforward. Certainly no Sonic CD or even Sonic 3&K, but more in line with Sonic 2, minus the BS from later levels. Feels more satisfying to speedrun to me personally.
@@SFproductions1Heck, I'll add in the fact that the levels have much more memorable gimmcks, aesthetics and identity. Sonic ATS is the Sonic fangame that actually made me explore the Sonic fangame community and appreciate the work these passionate fans put into their creations and seeing you just... barely even mention it... feels bad man... WIthout Sonic ATS I wouldn't even be here commenting or be having my own channel and audience.
The problem with Robo Blast 2 is that its issues are literally tied to the engine it uses; Doom Legacy. Doom Legacy is one of the earliest source ports of Doom's engine. There weren't very many fan made engines at the time, at least none that were open source. The Retro Engine, BlitzSonic, Sonic Worlds, etc. wouldn't exist until years later, and outside of BlitzSonic, very few engines were 3D capable, but it was a massive resource hog, Doom Legacy was the only engine that was 3D capable available at the time, was light on resources, and was pretty customizable. Its camera issues stem from the fact the engine wasn't designed to be used for Sonic, and while you can customize the camera control somewhat, it will never be perfect. These are the same problems any fan game using a open source engine will experience; inherent problems from an engine you did not create. It's still a fun, if challenging campaign. Playing as Sonic alone is fully possible, but you will have to think about how to beat certain areas creatively; like the area in Techno Hill Act 2 where the machine with the two pistons is: you need to jump from the highest point of the piston onto the button under the chemicals to raise it and clear the level. Tricky, but quite doable. If anyone who reads this comment finds version 2.2 difficult, they are working on 2.3 right now, but 2.2 is much easier than the version 2.0 I played originally back in 2009. That version is much more unforgiving.
The thing about sonic in srb2, older versions straight up told you do not play as sonic alone as a beginner, hes not beginner friendly, the new sonic team jr just decided it wasn’t necessary apparently, also with levels, im not aware of any softlocks, and even so if there is, you can just hit retry if your just sonic, course in multiplayer, just change the character, luckily they are trying to fix any issue and softlocks thats reported One question also, what controller were you using?
I hope a fan game based on Tangle and Whisper will happen. Tangle could play like Forces Avatar(minus wispons) with her tail replacing the grapple hook and have acrobatic mechanics. Whisper would have her wisps to aid her in... Stealth combat? Is that possible in 2D?
If you want some early ideas, there *are* Tangle and Whisper mods for SRB2. Tangle can use her tail to swing around like a grappling hook, while Whisper takes a more methodical approach with lots of ranged combat options thanks to her Variable Wispon.
I personally have to disagree on Sonic GT's level design if only for how it executes its idea versus other games that just plop Sonic in an open environment. I feel like as long as you follow the rings, you're bound to find your way but there's never really a point where you'll be horribly lost or not having fun because the game's just so much fun to mess with. It's genuinely the closest I've felt a 3D Sonic game has gotten to capturing that sense of flow from the classics with how easy it is to utilize Sonic's different moves. Stages in a way are like big playgrounds where getting to the goal is up to you. Do you want to explore, nab goodies and figure out means of getting to some ridiculously high points or do you want to blaze through the level at supersonic speeds? You have the option and it feels like the game actively encourages you to keep experimenting. Speed is crucial to the franchise for sure but I also feel the stages should keep me invested. Otherwise I could just play a racing game if I want constant thrills of blazing through everything.
30:24 there is a command that is built into the game that you can use cam_speed i think. if you use it and set it to max the camera doesn't do that weird lag behind thing (as to why its not on that by default is beyond me)
I unfortunately only have an M1 Mac, so i can’t see myself enjoying project 06 anytime soon, but Sonic Triple Trouble 16 Bit is absolutely amazing and i feel has such good replay for first timers too
In Srb2 ya can play as Amy and nack also known as fang and metal sonic ya can unlock them by beating some stages like the fang boss battle and Amy ya can unlock her by beating a level that you unlock by beating a special stage and metal by beating his race and boss fight too
really shows how badly Sega had dropped the ball on their own character. Why aren't they going to these developers to make official Sonic games like Sonic Mania?!!
Got a quick question, what was the song you used at 7:32 for the Sonic GT intro? I'm making a Sonic fan game myself, and I'd love to see if I could get the artist who made that song to make some music for it.
I agree that the srb2 physics are slippery. Its annoying when i have to race with metal and i just mostly fall in the lava and lose rings at the beginning
Yeah no, I don't think "Slippery" is the best way you put it, It's slippery because of you thinking about going fast and not thinking about the eventual outcome like running and then forgetting there's a lava in front of you.
Kind of said that he didn't find the secret characters in Sonic GT like supersonic, classic sonic, and metal sonic. I wonder what his opinions Is. if he gets them.
I'm very happy you got an opportunity to play all these amazing fan games. Not going to lie The reason I came was specifically because of omens. Well I disagree with some of your criticisms like the story, tree Palace, tornado stages and cars2 BS. I am glad you enjoyed the game....(sometimes) I really think you should have left the "controversy" out of the video.
Using motifs from Sonic games is one thing. I mean Tree Palace has that iconic Green Hill melody in the back. But Area 99 and the Cars 2 track literally sound identical that can't be a coincidence
This is going to be a big comment. I want to touch on Sonic GT's level design. The levels are playgrounds for you to create your own routes with the openness. Perfect for speedrunners or style runners. Like this: ua-cam.com/video/r-s83rdQGxs/v-deo.html The characters do kind of reflect this too. For example, Ray is slower than everyone else but his flight allows him to cut corners that others can't to make up for it. This kind of level design is also great for experimenting with the best ways to beat the races. Not to mention that kind of gameplay and level design combination flows perfectly with the Combo Star system that this game has. I also wanted to mention Omens. You say the level design is inconsistent, but I'm not quite sure how that's a bad thing. One kind of level design for the whole game would be incredibly homogenized. For example, Chao Paradise is a casual jaunt through the beach and the aesthetic and layout reflect that. While Citadel of Lotus is a chaotic gauntlet to save the world. Tree Paradise can flow smoothly too once you learn the level. Now about Shadow's levels. You could technically play them like Sonic, but your Chaos powers are integral to a lot of them. Aside from Moldy Jungle and United Railroad, switches aren't required. Even then, you can bypass slower parts of Moldy Jungle with Chaos Dash. Honestly, the best designed Shadow stage to me is G.U.N Arsenal because you might think it's a tutorial on hitting switches, but you don't have to hit a single one. Take a look: ua-cam.com/video/2U4ogH9YzZI/v-deo.html The team really knew what they were doing when they designed these. One last thing, the level design makes even more sense when you consider that a lot of the game has parallels to the Ori series. Like the Gnarl chase being the sandworm section of Ori and the Will of the Wisps, and Tree Palace and Waterfall Chase being the Ginso tree section of Ori and the Blind Forest. One last tidbit. Sonic After the Sequel. I'm shocked you said it's more of the same with worse level design. Worse how? I can see how it's maybe more platform heavy sometimes, but that's all. It dials up the spectacle and player engagement at the same time. Great video and you have a new subscriber!
This all just boils down the personal preference at the end of the day. I just found ATS's level design to be very repetitive and boring. Same with the omens stuff. But that's just me.
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on roblox there is a game called sonic stardust and its gonna be a full fangame i will tell you when its finished
There is a fangame called "Sonic Venture" for the game "Dreams" in ps4 and ps5, i haven't played it because i don't own either console, but i have seen videos of it and it just looks AWESOME, but all of the videos about it don't have commentary and i would love to see someone review it.
You did not mention Sonic Utopia :((( so sad. Or ULTIMATE FLASH SONIC (my first sonic game) Also not Sonic Project 06... HOWWWWWW. Make a sequal :3
@@Alexifeu everyone knows P-06
Ok a sonic robo blast 2 player here for one there's different styles of play standerd strafe and another id recommend strafe for keyboard and mouse plus you picked the hardest character to play as for beginners being sonic his thok is very powerful and those who don't understand his abilities and how to properly utilize them need to sit and practice to master them I don't mean to be harsh but the main thing is that the easy character is tails I would recommend playing as tails to get used to the physics then master sonic's thok later on and finally I would recommend a re-evaluation when you understand these factors it's a stellar game for those who understand the engine
Dev of Horizons here. Yeah a lot of the issues and bugs mentioned here are the aftermath of me rushing the hell out of the game in fear that if I pulled out of SAGE at the last minute I'd get a lot of hate (so basically I was in a lose-lose situation). I knew the game was too buggy and unfinished to be out there, but I pushed myself to the limit to *try* and get it in a playable state (fyi: I'm the only person working on the game, it's a one-man army).
In the end, I was really disappointed in myself with how it came out. Left my body absolutely disabled for like 3 days due to the extreme stress and overwork I put myself through, and let out a buggy mess of a game. Though even with all the hate and stuff, I kept an open mind and have been gathering as many opinions as I could to build a new document regarding the development for it, and we've recently restarted work on majority of the areas to hopefully fix and make the game as good as it can be
also you can rev the spindash by spamming A/space
hey i get it man. im looking forward to the future of the project!
Damn 06 for fan games moment
Ok seriously I love your fangame strip keep take your time and heal before you get back in there it’s ok
Btw in the beta/ test level area if the previous build I liked getting a hang of sonics wall running but the controls seem a bit loose so on smaller wall run sections it’s a struggle to hold on in the previous build wall running sections where huge I think the wall running needs to be tighter for small wall running platforms or to make them larger bc sonic goes to fast to use the wall running
Hey, the game looks incredible and it’s obvious that you’re more than competent at what you do. Take your time with it and I’m sure it’s gonna be amazing.
Take your time and care about your health since you care about this project so much then I'm sure that it will turn amazing
It was good but i have no PC to play it
Hi, Falk here. Thanks for the shoutout! Would just like to point out I had an entire professional career between Sonic Before the Sequel (and its sequels, lol) and Sonic Mania which often gets overlooked- it's not as simple as "make fan game, hope SEGA notices". James, Pejman, Andy and myself did and still do a lot of retail soundtracks together. I worked on everything from Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy and a whole slew of other Japanese games, to a few rhythm games, several Malaysian games (where I'm from), to anime like Made in Abyss, before shipping Sonic Mania with Tee Lopes.
I mention this because I'd like to give practical advice to folks hoping there's some kind of shortcut. There isn't one. Fan games are cool, but nothing beats actual industry experience with the accountability and triage that comes with getting a product over the finish line to ship, and that's honestly irreplaceable. Knowing the franchise inside out is a plus. On the other, knowing how to finish a project in time, within budget and without stepping on anyone's toes too much is mandatory. Get out there and make original games too!
On the flipside, if that's a little bit of a downer to hear, I do come bearing gifts in the form of officially acknowledging that I've included a few easter eggs from this fan project in the Sonic Symphony tour, of which I'm co-music directing. :V
Gotta respect my roots and all that
Yo thanks for stopping by!
Wow that is great advice.
@@SFproductions1agreed
Some SRB2 tips!
If you're playing with Keyboard + Mouse, I'd HIGHLY recommend switching the camera mode to "Manual" instead of "Automatic". With Manual Camera, the camera will ONLY move when you tell it to (which is ideal for mouse controls), and most importantly character abilities like Sonic's Speed Thok will ALWAYS go in the direction of the camera, NOT the direction of the character. This makes it WAY easier to aim the Speed Thok to go exactly where you want, and - with *practice* - it's possible to be incredibly precise and have it aid (rather than hurt) platforming. Though as a beginner, I'd say maybe only use the Speed Thok on straights when you're sure there isn't a bottomless pit nearby. Greenflower Zone Act 2 makes a fantastic practice ground, actually. (Act 1 is a little small.)
As for level design, the levels themselves are designed to be played through with Sonic in mind, and so if you end up skipping things as Tails/Knuckles/modded characters, you may end up unsure which way is forwards. Rings, springs and signposts will *generally* point the way, but sometimes it isn't so clear. (And, just so you know, the game's actually pretty great at NOT having softlocks - that pit you were in which you thought you had to fly out of? There was a button at the bottom of the goop, which raises the goop so Sonic can get out.)
If you manage to get your controller working (make sure to select which controller is "active" in the "Select Gamepad..." option in the menu), I would heavily recommend setting your "Jump" and "Spin" buttons to the bumpers (L/R) or triggers (zL/zR). This is so you can always have your thumb on the right analogue stick for camera control, and even makes "Manual" controls usable on a controller (though you might still want to go with "Automatic" - that one's personal preference). I have the game set up on my Steam Deck with these controls, and while I lose a *bit* of accuracy compared to KB+M (analogue sticks be how analogue sticks be), I still have far more control than I would in a game like, say, Sonic Adventure.
Have you tried turning on "Orbital looking" in the SRB2 controls? That positions the camera center on Sonic, rather than on a point behind him. You might also consider switching to the OpenGL renderer to enable 3D models and enable vertical camera control (which doesn't work well with the Software renderer), which can help with depth perception and positioning.
I'd also recommend avoiding the use of the thok for most platforming. It's not intended to be used like an air dash. Basic jumps can take you a lot further than you might expect, and spindash jumps can be used for larger gaps. The thok is almost never applicable to jumping from one platform to another (at least not until you get really good at the game). For inexperienced players, it functions best as a way to pick up speed in hallways or to change direction quickly.
Thanks for the tips!
tbh, i've been used to SRB2's controls for a while, but im not judging anyone. you do you.
@@GrownUpMonke69 Weirdly enough, I don't truly get a handle on Sonic's momentum in SRB2 until I turned auto-brake *off*, thus forcing myself to figure out how much I needed to tap/hold backwards to avoid overshooting jumps and sliding off ledges. It's similar to what you have to learn in 2D Sonic, with one notable difference in that SRB2 has a somewhat odd mid-air acceleration curve, which can be seen most easily in the low-gravity sections of Egg Rock.
Notably, Sonic Team Junior has been working on another massive update to the game that will change the physics to be even more momentum-based (and presumably remove the weirdness with mid-air acceleration); alongside this, they're currently planning to remove the thok, since its mostly static speed doesn't work well with the new physics. However, they have yet to figure out what to replace the thok with, and it currently looks like the next major update is still a few years away.
Its better on Strafe mode lmao
@@SFproductions1I'll give you credit. In 2.1 and prior, there was a tip saying Sonic wasn't good for beginners, but in 2.2, it was removed.
Sonic fans really show how they are really care about blue hedgehog with amazing talented fan game like others can't
Agreed
it really helps that unlike *certain other company* sega doesn't have a sniper on every fan's head... for the most part
Actually the camera in roboblast 2 is technically a first person camera used for a third person game, since roboblast 2 is actually a heavily modified version of doom
i mention that in the video lol
@@SFproductions1 yea
Thad the entire reason why my brother deleted sonic srb2, he felt like he was gonna vomit, and the controls are so bad
I am now imagining an image of Doom guy levitating around Sonic holding a camera
It's no wonder SEGA got fans to create Sonic Mania. They knew the fans are what still hold this game up, as well as have been improving this franchise... mostly.
Sonic Mania was a joint effort, the "fans" and Sonic Team/Sega themselves came together to do it, Christian Whitehead, Headcannon or PagodaWest Games didn't do it in the afternoons at home when they were bored and had free time.
Whitehead even worked before with Sega to create the port of Sonic 1, 2 and CD (the best versions of these games, even superior to the origins versions). He was more than just a fan, he was an already recognized member.
Stop using it as an excuse, Sonic Mania is wonderful, but it exists thanks to the collaboration of both parties. Also, do you think there are no fans within Sonic Team? ask yourself that.
unfortunately Mania is a remix of older games for tge most part rather than its own game.
While it was upsetting I didn't like the soundtrack as a whole, seeing seceral new zones was cool, but it felt like this is what the game was supposed to be about as a whole.
I didn't know I was paying for remaster/remix thing when I was making a pre-purchase. Dunno if I would actually be buying the game if I did know that.
The trailer wilth electot having letters like 1-2-3-K-M was one of. the things making me believe this game was. gonna be a fully new experience like each game from 1 to &K chapters was
I was literally just listening to combat night zone because that is such a banger, this is such a nice video to see. The amount and abundance of Sonic fan games making it a whole topic is something I'm glad to see you cover in one whole video.
Agreed
47:01
“Fan-favorite character that gets no acknowledgement in official Sonic stuff anymore”
Scrapnik Island: Am I a joke to you?
Yes Scrapnik Island, you are
It’s great to hear Sonic and The Fallen Star music as background music in your video
Sega: "We love your fangame and would like to offer you a contract!"
Nintendo: "CEASE AND DESIST RIGHT NOW OR THERE WILL BE BLOOD!"
Nintendo really doesn't want any money to be printed out that's outside of Mario
THQ Nordic hires fans as well!
@@DeviIGundamIt can't anymore they went bankrupt
Nintendo is not the best Sega is the best
Honestly, I'm SO glad that someone is actually reviewing Sonic Omens as a actual game instead outright just calling bad because other people doing it, respect (also btw, fantastic video!)
@@shawwwstefani73 your opinion
oh he's defending omens. thanks for the warning. huge skip.
@@polocatfan imagine being so petty lmao
Boy, there are some pricks replying to you here, eh?
@@polocatfanas a omens hater I can confirm people can like the game
On the SRB2 discussion, I got to disagree The level design does a great job of show casing each of the core 3's strengths and weaknesses that recontextualizes each stage for them in ways only really seen in 3K, The Advanced Trilogy and Most recently Mania.
Of course theres Sonic with the Thok, as you pointed out is incredible for Speed, but it's hard to master as a platforming tool, which is fine because...
Tails has his flight and its just as strong as the Thok, not as fast but it more than makes up with it with line's through stages Sonic can only dream of and of course the extra precision when platforming is huge until you can get uses to other characters.
Then there's Knuckles, sporting a worse jump that sometimes forces him into his very own sections of the stage just like 3K and Mania, where the level design can be built around his unique traits in climbing and Gliding.
However not to say that everyone is a home run, the unlockable characters are a mixed bag. Amy makes an appearance and takes the SRB2 formula to the extreme since without a spindash she often has to find other methods of going fast. My favorite example being Arid Canyon 1 where her speedrun route has her build up momentum before jumping, precisely hammer bouncing off an enemy which gives her a ton of height and mantaining her speed, Amy might not be the best character, but she's the best example of what SRB2 does.
Fang however is the other nospin and by far my least favorite character. His pop gun is terrible at doing really anything other than hitting bosses and his tail bounce, while it's his main source of speed, is dependent on the terrain in a way that's more frustrating than interesting unlike Amy or even the Spindash of the core 3. While Knuckles is harder than Sonic and especially tails, he can still be an enjoyable time, but Fang? He really needs a master to even be the slightest bit fun... At least he's probably my favorite character in Battlemod? Bullying other nospins with his gun is always fun.
never mentions Metal Sonic:
i get it tho, most cases he's just a better Sonic
@@dappleofthedualies Oh shoot yeah. Don't know how I passed him by since he's the only character I actually managed to get all the chaos emeralds on. Really though, yeah Boost mode aside, the hover doesn't change how he interacts with levels at all, at least nothing that comes to mind. Another fun character for Battlemod though.
Advance trilogy was amazing, just don't call it Advanced please lol
@@starmangalaxy2001 "Hover doesn't change how he interacts with levels" WHAT?! The hover is probably the main point of Metal Sonic, with me constantly using it to avoid death. It's probably the reason Metal Sonic is so fun, because it's.. interesting. And honestly, I can't think of anything interesting for him, and, the hover actually works with speed, instead of the characters mentioned. So, that kind of makes Metal Sonic want to go fast for the hover thing, and as well for the spike bursting, higher speed, and.. yeah. It's really small, but it's definitely effective.
I may get flack for this, but I'm not a fan of fan games as much as other people are. Some people act like their the best Sonic games and are better than anything official, and I can't disagree more. That being said, I have to commend the passion and effort that goes into these because it is remarkable. It's great to see fans express their creative freedom with these games, and I'm glad Sonic Team/SEGA are letting fans do this. I may not be the biggest fan of fan games, but I still want them to exist because I know how much people love them, and I want fans to continue to create some great projects.
While most aren’t better than the official games, some such as P06, TT 16-Bit, GT, Fallen Star, and the fan remasters of 1, 2, 3&K and CD are objectively better than most official games, I’d argue that from a mechanical POV, P06 is the best 3D Sonic by far, while 3&K Air is basically on the level of Mania, aka peak 2D Sonic.
Edit: Let’s not forget that Mania was made by the fans, aka the best 2D official sonic game, in some regard can be called a fan game.
I respect your opinion
@@adonicetrig8908 Mania can in some regards be called a fan game, but it can in no regards be called the best 2D game. It takes too much from Sonic 3 in terms of level design, and 3's levels were mostly too big and forgettable, and so is Mania's except with worse music, story, and bosses than 3, in fact they are even bigger. If the level design was more like CD or Sonic 4 I would have liked it more.
@@genyakozlov1316 then, as a complete package, which one do u think is the best 2D Sonic game?
You are simply wrong.
Honestly SRB2 has an issue with it's default settings. The camera issues you pointed out are fixable by messing with the settings, particularly by enabling OpenGL, vertical look, and orbital look, and it's strange that they just haven't since it would prevent situations like 32:04 where the intended path forward is harder than it should be to find.
Also I find it really strange how they never made Sonic less floaty. His lack of vertical abilities makes him one of the worst base game characters to play as and mods of Sonics from other games (particularly Adventure Sonic) end up fitting in better with the level design as a result.
Also minor correction: the story isn't a follow up to Sonic 1, but rather the original Sonic Robo Blast
You don't play original Sonic roboblast he's going to hate it and he has good reasons too you know how bad it is I mean it was good fan game for the time
My favorite mods in srb2 is meta knight by FAR. I love how the character easily lets you control how fast you go with the multi jumps and easy to land attacks, which helps a lot when there’s a bunch of enemies. Going fast enough even changes some of the moves, which is pretty cool. Also you can instantly stop all your momentum with the ground slam.
If I'm gonna be honest. I'm kinda more excited for Newtrogic panic rather than galactic. Compared to the two games, newtrogic just looks more visually appealing, and looks more alive than what is bascially a Mania 2. It's style and level design and characters in the sneak peaks make me all the more excited for it.
I LOVE this video! I've been saying for the longest time we need to normalise using critique on Sonic Fan Games, if we just praise it because "Oh a fan made it and it's free so stop complaining" they're not going to grow as a developer leaving them to look for issues themselves which could make later entries worse as a result.
You should check out Sonic World DX. It’s Adventure-style gameplay with a bunch of characters and levels to play, secrets and unlockables, and even a basic chao garden
Agreed
Sonic fans never disappoint with these (most of the time) There’s so much to see, makes me want to showcase everything like this lol
So true
Literally one of my favorite things to do in Sonic and the Fallen Star is to find a thunder shield, mash the jump button, and just go to town in terms of speed. It's REALLY fun to do
Fr, Sonic Robo Blast 2 is my current favorite 3D Sonic fangame.... though I have no doubt getting to use a controller greatly increased my enjoyment of it. Losing one's way or getting bogged down by puzzles, I've found those are mainly an issue in one zone, Deep Sea.... and yet, I have a great time with that stage too! At least with my favorite routes. With how infamous water levels in Sonic games are, it's pretty stunning they made Sonic fun to control underwater in 3D, of all things. Most of the time, the routes feel layered much like the top, middle and bottom routes you'd expect in 2D, frequently intersecting to give you plenty of chances to change course if there's another route you prefer 'cause it fits your playstyle or you just think it's neat. What I love most about SRB2 is the pacing. The flow of the platforming and just running and jumping moment to moment is fantastic, and it's unbelievably satisfying to make huge leaps with the crazy hangtime only otherwise seen in 2D classic Sonic games (and now Sonic Frontiers.) Things are constantly happening, but not overwhelmingly so. It's like a song and dance. There's a rhythm. With the best Sonic games, it isn't enough to simply beat it. The goal is to LOOK COOL beating it, and SRB2 gives you that with level design and controls that compliment each other really well. There's just a biiiit of a learning curve, like with any Sonic controls that give you room to f*ck around.
I really was really expecting you to end it on a 1-2 punch combo with P-06 and TT16B, with the video format alternating between 2D and 3D for the most part... hearing that last part made my thoughts feel validated, I'll just go check if the video is out, and if not, I'll just stick around.
Great video. Definitely worth the wait and your criticisms of the games are very fair
Much appreciated!
Agreed
For SRB2, I HIGHLY recommend trying to play in First Person mode if you're doing Mouse + Keyboard. It's my preferred way to play and the control becomes very smooth after playing for a few zones. Also it seems like you didn't change your sensitivity. You can change both your vertical and horizontal sensitivity allowing for incredibly precise camera controls, which can be found in Mouse Options. Try a lower sensitivity since you're struggling to move in a straight line. While in there, turn Mousemove off (Mousemove stops the character from moving forward with the mouse and instead only with a keyboard) and perhaps turn First-Person MouseLook off as well if you're really struggling (MouseLook stops you from looking up or down). While in settings, change Playstyle to Manual as that's intended for Mouse + Keyboard. Manual will stop the camera from automatically changing every time you move in a direction and gives you 100% control over the camera.
32:00 The game will never softlock you for playing with Sonic only. You're supposed to jump on those pistons into the goo, there's a button down there that will flood the area. There really isn't any "puzzle-solving" outside of this one button and Deep Sea Zone.
Two quick pieces of advice:
Never Thok if you don't know the level design. It's like boosting in Sonic Unleashed, great if you know how to play the game, if you don't, you will fail.
Don't skip sections with a character's abilities (like Tail's flight) if you don't know the layout. The stages have multiple intended paths to the end, skipping a section and landing halfway though a platforming section means you will get lost.
Yeah, In my first playthrough I thok ALOT which leads me to death or general confusion with me don't even know where the hell am I supposed to do.
Sonic before the sequel gives me so much nostalgia though Plus sorta butchers the cutscenes which is a shame sadly
Man in be waited so long for this vid I’m so happy!
Have you played Triple Trouble 16 Bit? Kinda thought that was a slam dunk to be in this video and I think it does Classic Sonic gameplay pretty much the best of any finished Classic fangame (Galactic is better, but just one zone ATM).
Also even though Encore and GT aren't as tightly designed as they could be, I think it benefits for nearly endless replay value. You aren't likely to get the same experience twice!
Semi-relatedly, one of the reasons I think Generations gets an edge over Colors and Unleashed is that I feel it's the boost game with the most stages that open up 3D level design a bit more, coming closer to Adventure 1. Not all the Modern stages really star in opening up 3D (Green Hill pretty much keeps you on rails for instance in the 3D parts), but the likes of Sky Sanctuary, Seaside Hill, the first half of City Escape, even some sections of Rooftop Run and the start of the otherwise disappointing Planet Wisp really give glimpses of how 3D boost design can also incorporate more path exploration.
Same I was rlly disappointed to not see it on the vid
at the end he said he'd put them in a different video
My bad didn't listen...those ones headed for special treatment!
@@MyNamesNotShaneKid oh
as a diehard fan of srb2, your criticisms are all valid, but mostly for first-time players. i found myself thinking a lot of the same things when i initially played srb2, but because i stuck with it, i eventually found them to be non-issues or even upsides in a few cases
for the camera, the default mode is designed for use with controllers, but keyboard and mouse is how most long-time srb2 players do it. that's because you can switch the camera mode to manual in the settings, putting it almost entirely in your control. it's a bit more advanced than the standard one you used, which is why it isn't the default option, but once you get used to it it's far superior to the janky and disorienting standard camera
for the controls, they're something that can be irritating for a new player but become one of the game's most defining features once you get used to them. sonic's speed thok (airdash) isn't designed for platforming or combat - it's designed for speed. you press the button, you go fast. if you try to use it for platforming, you go fast off the edge of a platform to your doom. if you try to use it against a boss, you go fast off the edge of the arena. the speed thok is really good in its intended context, but outside of that you just have to get used to the game's weird momentum if you want to have an easier time with the platforming
the levels are confusing at first, but become a lot more navigable when you play them enough. techno hill zone act 2 was a nightmare on my first few playthroughs but it feels like home to me by now. if i could have my wedding in gfz1 i would, and if i could have my wedding be _with_ gfz1 that'd be even better
the puzzles i have no defense for lmao. even on repeat playthroughs they're busywork at best and deep sea zone gargoyles at worst, i have no clue what purpose they're meant to serve
pretty much everything about sonic robo blast 2 is difficult for beginners, but becomes an upside the more you replay it. and between the 6 characters playable in the main game, the endless character addons, the tricky controls, and the open levels, there's plenty to offer for those repeat playthroughs that keep players repeatedly coming back
tl;dr srb2 has a high barrier for entry, but if you stick with it the weird and frustrating parts become the highlights of the game
I'll be sure to give SRB2 another shot. Thanks for the info!
In sonic horizens you can charge the spin dash the same way you do in the classic games
Babe wake up, SF Productions dropped a Sonic Fan Game video.
Oh look. A random video that popped up my recommendations and is deffo my interest. Very nice
An hour of sonic fan games!
Massive W
If you ever do a multi fan game video again, you should definitely cover sonic momentum. The way it combines movement with combat is literally one of the best things you can ask for. While expanding on ideas in series like advance.
Agreed.
My biggest problem with Smackdown is that the characters' eyes and mouths don't move at all, and compared to the expressive and goofy style of Sonic The Fighters, the characters look very empty.
I still prefer Sonic The Fighters Blitz, a Mugen recreation of Sonic The Fighters that still maintains the goofy, cartoony style of the original.
One thing I noticed in Smackdown is that I *recognize* some of those animations, most of them must have been taken from other fighting game characters to spare time, must be the reason as to why some of their body parts appear to clip into each other. I don't know why they don't even animate their faces but... it's fine I suppose maybe they will do it later
@@AltKaxREAL It's been a couple of years or more since this game has been in development and they still haven't done anything about the characters' facial expressions, and I think they should focus on that first instead of adding more characters.
@@CypherNeoMetal yeah, it would be nice
Fun fact!: SRB2 does have settings u know that can fix the issues you have with the game, and like I did with my controller, just use steam or something to calibrate it
yeah i tried all of that stuff but to no avail. idk maybe my controller is just broken
@@SFproductions1i also had controller issues (never works, certain bindings never work, jump bound to left stick for some reason?), but I genuinely love SRB2. I’m not sure what my settings are, but I never feel motion sick or disoriented. Maybe it’s because I have the camera centered on Sonic? Not sure.
My controller works that's weird maybe it's probably cuz I'm on Linux but when you open steam it messes up my controller it makes it drift like a joy con cuz I use the switch controller
Sonic fans are making tabletop games, too! It's been relatively under the radar, but there have been a number of tabletop RPGs released with the post lockdown tabletop boom, of which I am one.
I played Sonic GT when I was younger and it was in BETA, here it is. Finished. I also mod SRB2 sometimes, it's an awesome game for sure!
i think you forgot about the unlockable characters while you were talking about SRB2, and I personally think they're pretty unique, but they could probably use some work.
playable metal sonic is pretty cool though, he uses the same moveset as sonic, but instead of his speed thok, he gets a hover ability, plus a dash mode, which gradually makes him faster the more you run, as long as you don't go too slow.
hearing you talk about smackdown is so funny haha, your statements about burst, supers, and the camera tracking are all standard for hyper fighters.
I guess it's just something I'm not used to 🤣
@@SFproductions1no worries tho, my guy, we need more people who are willing to question the preexisting standards.
Hey man I found out abt u a few months ago but only recently started watching ur sonic related content which I find pretty interesting and fun. I def like these longer videos cus ur topics are js super fun with how you talk abt them but ik its a lot a work for u. Regardless tho, great job man n I subbed💯
Yo thanks man much appreciated!
also cool pfp
I really wish you covered Sonic World DX in this video; I don't really see a lot of people talking about it, which is a shame, because it's pretty good! A varied roster of playable characters with their own unique abilities, fun stages to go through with different objectives, Encore Levels that change the stage entirely, costumes to unlock, menu options to change the UI and sound effects, and OH MY GOD, the mod support...! So many new characters, stages, and themes to add to the game!
Unfortunately World DX was planned for this video but I couldn't get it running on my PC 😞
@@SFproductions1 Aww, RIP...
@@SFproductions1lemme geuss, you got the dreaded MAV error?
Nope. The game just doesn't open
@@SFproductions1Try asking on the SWDX discord! They deal with issues like this all the time!
In older versions of SRB2, Sonic was actually stated in his character description on the select screen to be not a good character for beginners. It's intended for you to get a proper feel for the game as Tails or Knuckles first, and then play again as Sonic. Though, that part of his description was removed in the 2.2 update.
Encore may use the same engine as GT, but GT feels much better to play to me, I also prefer GT's level design for the most part. The badnik placement in Encore is horrendous. I got utterly lost in Ice Cap as well.
I should mention that before the sequel(minus the music) was made by ONE guy, and it was his first Time making a game.
32:02 If the footage was an example, let me explain.
So, there are a LOT OF physics based gimmicks in this game. And this is probably the one which is most focused on physics. Basically, you first need to land on one of the two pillars. Then, when it starts going up and reaches a decent speed, you need to jump so you can gain a lot of height. Finally, you need to aim for the middle and fall in there. There is a button at the bottom which rises the chemicals, which rises you. The problem is, game doesn't tell or indicate this at all. I was also stuck when I was first going through this. But this and some of deep sea zone is like... The only puzzle-solving aspects.
Also I figured I'd mention, this is my favorite Sonic game OF ALL TIME. Mods included. This game is really really hard to get into, and even if not, you'll probably get motion sickness. But I didn't, and I liked the vanilla game, and I LOVED the mods. One thing to point out though, if you straight up didn't like or have fun with the vanilla game, no mod will save your experience. Adventure Sonic alters the gameplay too much, Modern Sonic is just overpowered and sucks. There are MUCH MUCH BETTER levels as mods than the vanilla levels, but that doesn't help when most people don't like the physics.
Some other people have mentioned suggestions for having an easier time with SRB2, but for what it's worth - if you want an ideal new-player experience, but you also want to actually play as Sonic(tm), try out the Adventure Sonic mod. It has its own quirks for sure, but AdvSonic's moveset is so versatile that it gives you a lot more cushion for making mistakes, or (more importantly) recovering from mistakes. Combined with a controller and the "orbital looking" option someone else brought up, it's a fantastic primer.
In a lot of ways, I'd argue that mods are really the way to go in general for SRB2, for good and ill. The default characters are all fun enough, but their mechanics tend to feel kinda basic compared to modded characters. Default Sonic has the Thok and Spindash and that's it, while AdvSonic has the Spindash, Homing, Bounce, LS Dash, and so on.
the reason why you had difficulty with srb2 is because you prob used the automatic camera style which is for controllers instead of the manual style which is for keyboard and mouse(you can also edit the speed of the camera),btw it's not a follow up to sonic 1,it's a follow up to SRB1 which the first sonic fan game ever.
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Speed Highway? That's Studiopolis
also, about SRB2, most of that is prob just not understanding the game, but I can't really talk considering I've only had it for a few months. Try the unlockables tho, Metal is super fun to play.
ah my fault
Did you know: Someone made a standalone application based on Sonic Robo Blast 2 that's a kart racer. It's called Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart [or SRB2Kart for short] and even has its own mods
Reviewing unfinished games with a negative look is wild.
Regardless, you did a very good job on this video. Good stuff!
If they're unfinished to the point of game breaking, then they shouldn't have been released to the public in the first place
about srb2,i can understand with the puzzles, the techno hill act 2 at the end has you jumping off those rising platform’s into the goop to press a button. when i first played the game, (i already heard of it years ago but never wanted to play it) i was also very confused, but after looking through the speedruns, i got used to it. even today i still get confused
My favourite thing in sonic games is when they utilise the other characters in gameplay, I’m dying to see a 3D sonic game that puts characters like omega and vector into their own unique missions to do with with their character
i agree with your take on srb2. when i played it, i always felt it was too slippery, good vid
Great video SF👍🏽
Appreciate it!
@@SFproductions1 :)
Just got back from basketball practice and now there's a whole ass 54 minute video about Sonic fan games
What a day
Thank you for showing me Sonic Time Twisted. I LOVE Sonic CD and always wished it had Super Sonic. But Time Twisted has time stones and chaos emeralds??? Oh so cannot wait!!
a really cool demo that, in my opinion, is the perfect blend of classic sonic & 3D momentum is Sonic Utopia. its not a full game, more like a tech demo, but its so fun and satisfying to just run and explore the areas
I actually wrote a Sonic utopia segment for this video but had to remove it due to the recent controversy regarding the games creator
@@SFproductions1 ah fair enough. honestly i havent heard anything about it so i wouldnt know. still a cool little tech demo thingy
“It would be a dream come true if a mainline sonic game had similar gameplay to this one”
May I interest you in… sonic advanced 2-
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Nuh uh@@SFproductions1
Regarding SRB2's puzzles, you don't have to do any if you take specific routes (usually puzzles just lead to an emerald token); for myself, I'm used to taking the fastest ones since I've been playing for over a decade. It's definitely one of those games you get more enjoyment out of once you're no longer playing blind.
Also never had a crash with Sonic TT, beaten it multiple times, so maybe it's a compatibility issue with your OS.
I'm using Windows 10 idk
@@SFproductions1 I'm using 11, 10 should work fine but idk either
Sonic Omens, featuring Drunk Zorro Shadow
I just love how every SRB2 fan came out of the woodworks to give some tips to you lol
I mean hey I appreciate it lol
omg these fan games look awesome i hope maybe one day the sonic fan games community will become like the pokemon fan games community
5:53 I was skeptical of that so I went to check and, to my surprise, Before the Sequel was indeed finished after Sonic Colors released.
Anyway, worth mentioning how the creator went on to create the Spark the Electric Jester series, which are fantastic games in their own right. If you haven't, i beg of you to check them out.
The Sonic FanGames are good but I’m not much of a fan of Sonic FanGames. In my opinion I honestly think that Sonic FanGames can have some problems. I definitely had some great experiences playing Sonic FanGames. I’m a person who doesn’t really play Sonic FanGames often. I’m still not the biggest fan of Sonic FanGames but I definitely will be enjoying them and having interesting experiences with Sonic FanGames. Great video My Dude)
Weird people want momentum based 3d sonic games but sega never really made any momentum 3d sonic games, and when some indie game that isnt sonic is using momentum based speedy gameplay, they get called a sonic knockoff or something but sega never made any 3d momentum games!! Thats a fan game exclusive thing
Sonic GT is a fucking godsend
GT > Omens
14:52 did bro just say “balls!?”
I had a really bad day at school today. Like, seriously awful. But I came home to an hour long SF PRODUCTIONS VIDEO?! SIGN ME THE HELL UP
Glad this could cheer you up man. Means a lot to me!
@SFproductions1 thank you for everything you've done for me. Stay safe and happy :)
Big fan @@Tails_The_Fox92
The reason why the camera does that in Smackdown is because it expects you to do a follow up combo.
This is a good list, but my personal favorites sonic triple trouble 16 bit, sonic project 06, and and sonic before the sequel
Sonic fan games have a certain charm to them, they feel oddly cosy and I don't know why.
Well worth the wait 🎉
I didn’t know falk worked on sonic mania’s soundtrack but it makes since
7:23 Excuse me? I thought Sonic ATS's level design was much better than BTS. Heck, it's pretty much a common opinion among Sonic fans
The level design in ATS is just way too slow if you ask me. It encourages exploration a lot more
@@SFproductions1 I actually thought the level design was pretty straightforward. Certainly no Sonic CD or even Sonic 3&K, but more in line with Sonic 2, minus the BS from later levels. Feels more satisfying to speedrun to me personally.
@@MariusUrucu I respectfully disagree
@@SFproductions1Heck, I'll add in the fact that the levels have much more memorable gimmcks, aesthetics and identity.
Sonic ATS is the Sonic fangame that actually made me explore the Sonic fangame community and appreciate the work these passionate fans put into their creations and seeing you just... barely even mention it... feels bad man...
WIthout Sonic ATS I wouldn't even be here commenting or be having my own channel and audience.
@@MariusUrucu well sorry man but I just don't feel the same way. We all have opinions.
I actually enjoyed Sonic galactic, omens and the riders fan mods of Zero gravity imo especially since I've been resisting old fan projects 💙💙💙💙💙
The problem with Robo Blast 2 is that its issues are literally tied to the engine it uses; Doom Legacy. Doom Legacy is one of the earliest source ports of Doom's engine.
There weren't very many fan made engines at the time, at least none that were open source. The Retro Engine, BlitzSonic, Sonic Worlds, etc. wouldn't exist until years later, and outside of BlitzSonic, very few engines were 3D capable, but it was a massive resource hog, Doom Legacy was the only engine that was 3D capable available at the time, was light on resources, and was pretty customizable. Its camera issues stem from the fact the engine wasn't designed to be used for Sonic, and while you can customize the camera control somewhat, it will never be perfect.
These are the same problems any fan game using a open source engine will experience; inherent problems from an engine you did not create.
It's still a fun, if challenging campaign. Playing as Sonic alone is fully possible, but you will have to think about how to beat certain areas creatively; like the area in Techno Hill Act 2 where the machine with the two pistons is: you need to jump from the highest point of the piston onto the button under the chemicals to raise it and clear the level. Tricky, but quite doable.
If anyone who reads this comment finds version 2.2 difficult, they are working on 2.3 right now, but 2.2 is much easier than the version 2.0 I played originally back in 2009. That version is much more unforgiving.
Sonic crouching like the position he is in if you freezed him when he was spinning in a ball.
The thing about sonic in srb2, older versions straight up told you do not play as sonic alone as a beginner, hes not beginner friendly, the new sonic team jr just decided it wasn’t necessary apparently, also with levels, im not aware of any softlocks, and even so if there is, you can just hit retry if your just sonic, course in multiplayer, just change the character, luckily they are trying to fix any issue and softlocks thats reported
One question also, what controller were you using?
These fan games're missing one key ingredient; Amy.
SRB2???
TRUUUU
I hope a fan game based on Tangle and Whisper will happen. Tangle could play like Forces Avatar(minus wispons) with her tail replacing the grapple hook and have acrobatic mechanics. Whisper would have her wisps to aid her in... Stealth combat? Is that possible in 2D?
If you want some early ideas, there *are* Tangle and Whisper mods for SRB2. Tangle can use her tail to swing around like a grappling hook, while Whisper takes a more methodical approach with lots of ranged combat options thanks to her Variable Wispon.
I personally have to disagree on Sonic GT's level design if only for how it executes its idea versus other games that just plop Sonic in an open environment. I feel like as long as you follow the rings, you're bound to find your way but there's never really a point where you'll be horribly lost or not having fun because the game's just so much fun to mess with. It's genuinely the closest I've felt a 3D Sonic game has gotten to capturing that sense of flow from the classics with how easy it is to utilize Sonic's different moves. Stages in a way are like big playgrounds where getting to the goal is up to you. Do you want to explore, nab goodies and figure out means of getting to some ridiculously high points or do you want to blaze through the level at supersonic speeds? You have the option and it feels like the game actively encourages you to keep experimenting. Speed is crucial to the franchise for sure but I also feel the stages should keep me invested. Otherwise I could just play a racing game if I want constant thrills of blazing through everything.
30:24 there is a command that is built into the game that you can use cam_speed i think. if you use it and set it to max the camera doesn't do that weird lag behind thing (as to why its not on that by default is beyond me)
Sonic GT when I was played ,it was best game I ahve ever played.
For the spindash in Horizons, were you holding the button or repeatedly tapping it? Because you gain more spead by repeatedly tapping Spindash.
I unfortunately only have an M1 Mac, so i can’t see myself enjoying project 06 anytime soon, but Sonic Triple Trouble 16 Bit is absolutely amazing and i feel has such good replay for first timers too
In Srb2 ya can play as Amy and nack also known as fang and metal sonic ya can unlock them by beating some stages like the fang boss battle and Amy ya can unlock her by beating a level that you unlock by beating a special stage and metal by beating his race and boss fight too
really shows how badly Sega had dropped the ball on their own character. Why aren't they going to these developers to make official Sonic games like Sonic Mania?!!
SATFS has the best special stages and nothing can change my mind
7:17 developer*, lakefeperd did it all himself, the only exception being the music
Got a quick question, what was the song you used at 7:32 for the Sonic GT intro? I'm making a Sonic fan game myself, and I'd love to see if I could get the artist who made that song to make some music for it.
It's the hill top music from Sonic gt
"Planet Wisp Act 2 (Remix)" from Sonic Colors Ultimate? Nice! 7:10p.m. 10/16/2023
I agree that the srb2 physics are slippery. Its annoying when i have to race with metal and i just mostly fall in the lava and lose rings at the beginning
Yeah no, I don't think "Slippery" is the best way you put it, It's slippery because of you thinking about going fast and not thinking about the eventual outcome like running and then forgetting there's a lava in front of you.
I Wish I Can Make These Kinds Of Games But I Have To Wait
Kind of said that he didn't find the secret characters in Sonic GT like supersonic, classic sonic, and metal sonic. I wonder what his opinions Is. if he gets them.
I did actually unlock some of them after writing this video! Pretty cool stuff!
Thanks you just saying that made my entire previous sentence go away
Ah yes, "Adelaida Graciela", my favorite Sonic character. Her name just rolls off the tongue as good as everyone else's.
Idek if I pronounced it correctly 😭
I'm very happy you got an opportunity to play all these amazing fan games. Not going to lie The reason I came was specifically because of omens.
Well I disagree with some of your criticisms like the story, tree Palace, tornado stages and cars2 BS. I am glad you enjoyed the game....(sometimes)
I really think you should have left the "controversy" out of the video.
I did leave the controversy out of the video lol
@@SFproductions1 sigh... well just to let you know cars 2 music wasn't stolen 😊
alright well they sound oddly similar lmao
@@SFproductions1 not even a little bit.
P.S Metal Ember and E.G.G.M.A.N sound very "similar" too
Using motifs from Sonic games is one thing. I mean Tree Palace has that iconic Green Hill melody in the back. But Area 99 and the Cars 2 track literally sound identical that can't be a coincidence
I recommend Megamix Mania & Hellfire Saga - both recently at the Hacking Contest.
This is going to be a big comment.
I want to touch on Sonic GT's level design. The levels are playgrounds for you to create your own routes with the openness. Perfect for speedrunners or style runners. Like this: ua-cam.com/video/r-s83rdQGxs/v-deo.html
The characters do kind of reflect this too. For example, Ray is slower than everyone else but his flight allows him to cut corners that others can't to make up for it. This kind of level design is also great for experimenting with the best ways to beat the races. Not to mention that kind of gameplay and level design combination flows perfectly with the Combo Star system that this game has.
I also wanted to mention Omens. You say the level design is inconsistent, but I'm not quite sure how that's a bad thing. One kind of level design for the whole game would be incredibly homogenized. For example, Chao Paradise is a casual jaunt through the beach and the aesthetic and layout reflect that. While Citadel of Lotus is a chaotic gauntlet to save the world. Tree Paradise can flow smoothly too once you learn the level.
Now about Shadow's levels. You could technically play them like Sonic, but your Chaos powers are integral to a lot of them. Aside from Moldy Jungle and United Railroad, switches aren't required. Even then, you can bypass slower parts of Moldy Jungle with Chaos Dash. Honestly, the best designed Shadow stage to me is G.U.N Arsenal because you might think it's a tutorial on hitting switches, but you don't have to hit a single one. Take a look: ua-cam.com/video/2U4ogH9YzZI/v-deo.html The team really knew what they were doing when they designed these.
One last thing, the level design makes even more sense when you consider that a lot of the game has parallels to the Ori series. Like the Gnarl chase being the sandworm section of Ori and the Will of the Wisps, and Tree Palace and Waterfall Chase being the Ginso tree section of Ori and the Blind Forest.
One last tidbit. Sonic After the Sequel. I'm shocked you said it's more of the same with worse level design. Worse how? I can see how it's maybe more platform heavy sometimes, but that's all. It dials up the spectacle and player engagement at the same time.
Great video and you have a new subscriber!
This all just boils down the personal preference at the end of the day. I just found ATS's level design to be very repetitive and boring. Same with the omens stuff. But that's just me.