Snake Behavior: Instinct vs Learned
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Snakes have very strong instincts which often dictate their behavior. They are also equipped with a very effective brain that allows them to gather information about their environment and learn from that. They will often behave a certain way based on what they've learned. Understanding when the difference between the two behaviors is helpful when interacting with your snake. I'm using mostly pythons and one boa in these examples because they are very intelligent snakes.
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BPs are really smart, but they still have to share their braincells with other BPs, so loading thoughts may take a while lol
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i’m a college student and i’m in a psych of animal behavior class right now and it’s pretty interesting! we talk a lot about learned vs instinct
It's a really interesting subject!
i just learned something about myself today and its that your videos are the fastest ones i click when i see a new upload. great video bob, always look forward to some new GRP
Aw thanks Eric! I'm glad you like them!
Another dope video Bob & Kent! It’s really cool to see my animals come to me by choice instead of me forcing it. I’ve done the whole force them to like me & that didn’t go over well 🤣🤣. Instincts tell them to immediately be still “Shhh, maybe he doesn’t see me & he’ll just go away”
Glad you liked this one KT! Yeah it's cool when a snake approaches you on their own accord.
I love this video. It seems like as a reaction to all the people who anthropomorphize their snakes, some people have gotten to being really reductive when describing their snakes behaviour. It's so silly that snakes and other reptiles were described as mindless robots because their intelligence was tested in cold labs.
Snakes are actually pretty amazing, they are (generally) not social animals which still can develop a relationship of trust with their keeper and other humans. We aren't plugging into a social instinct like dogs and cats, but rather it's a learned trust that does not exist in their wild behaviour.
Even amongst some UA-camrs, there is more talk of morphs, than behaviours. I love the work that Lori Torrini is doing to show how much the snakes are actually capable of.
Yeah I am definitely more interested in the behavior side of keeping snakes than I am the morphs - although genetics is fascinating to me as well and I think morphs are cool. But for an animal thats going to be kicking around for 30 plus years potentially, their behavior and well-being seems to be much more important than their paint job :-)
New camera angle, lots of dinosaur talk, so many snakes, a hilarious test of Kent's instincts! I mean, what's not to love about this video?!!
I hope to see you at the next full moon!! I always get lost on my way to that clearing though....
I'm glad this ticked all the boxes for you Amy! And how many times have we told you to bring a flashlight?
Several times. And I did bring one last time, but the batteries died... Maybe somebody with better directional instincts could pick me up for the next full moon meeting....
@@GreenRoomPythons Right?! We’ve run into each other while lost, looking for that damn clearing. Gotta remember the full moon part😳
Your such an amazing teacher, honestly don’t know what I would have done without your videos when I rescued my ball python 🐍 My fella isn’t a reptile hobbiest but he really enjoys your videos too, keep on being awesome 🙌🏻
Thank you so much, that's a really nice compliment! I'm glad the videos have been helpful
Another cool and interesting video! Yeah, letting a snake just be a snake not only makes for a chill and calm snake but also for a learning experience for us as owners. If I wanted a less 'snakelike' pet I'd have something other than a snake of course. But I love learning (as I still am) what my lil' guy likes to do and where he likes to go. He clearly has preferences and opinions, and yeah... totally does exactly what you describe with the slow-moving caution on a new surface. It's super neat to see him get curious and try his best to get to somewhere out of reach just to see what's over there.
They're always really interesting to watch. Snake behavior is cool 🙂
I’ve had snakes for years, but I really do implement the things you teach on these videos. You give great advice, and I appreciate how much you really do seem to understand them, kind of like Kevin at NERD, but on a smaller scale.
Thank you so much!
My BP is finally coming out of his enclosure and onto my hand. It so rewarding. I feel better about this instead of just taking him out when he’s sleeping. I love animal behavior, it’s so interesting
That's great, glad that's working for you.
Great info for first time snake owners
“Pretend that you’re in an art museum, pretend that you’re fancy for a second…”
Me, literally an art student: Wait, people don’t normally go to their local art museum? Is that fancy? What?
I go to the Getty museum in Los Angeles whenever I can! Which one of my favorite places. And I'm decidedly not fancy.
I too tend to hunt in the middle of the night seeking food, I see now why I feel a connection lol
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I like how the snake matches the towel or blanket on the wall at the end
@13:20 you said Stella runs haha 😂 i imagine her with limbs running away
Yep, she's a runner!
When my girl is out exploring, as she is pretty big, I always keep a hand on her or something. So she doesn't get scared when I pick her up as she can feel me being there. She sure is a scaredy-cat.
Yeah some of them spook pretty easily:-)
Saw you on the USARK channel and want to check out your content. I like your approach, good stuff. The haunted house analogy is spot on.
Thanks so much Rick! Welcome, glad you liked the video.
Your videos are so cool, man. You can literally hear, from the way you talk and explain about them, how much you love and care for snakes. Subscribed.
Thanks so much, I appreciate the kind words and the sub!
I would appreciate a video going over how you started the target training for your snakes more in depth. I like the idea but not sure how to start with a new snake. Thanks!
If you are able to watch my live stream that starts about an hour from now, put your question in the chat and I will answer for you
I am a relatively new keeper in the hobby. I have a corn snake (3 y/o) and a pueblan milk snake (2 y/o). With both when we got them home, we did our best not handle them right away and let them become secure in their new homes. We also gave them multiple hides, generally two on the cool side, two on the warm side and one in the middle. Once they were established and comfortable in their surroundings, we began socializing with them. I realize these are some of the most docile snakes and a big part of why we chose them. I did consider target training them similar to the vids I have watched with Lori Torrini. Yep, we did our research well before bringing in these new members of our family. The big thing she had stressed was letting the snake decide when they want to be socialized. So, we tried the methods, and they worked. We now have two snakes that will beg to come out of their enclosures. Just like you said it has to be done slow, but they will come out onto our hands. Oddly enough they have their favorite people. Yep, my corn will come out for my daughter but if I come into the room, he has to be on me. Similarly, my milk snake will come out but would rather sleep on my wife if given the choice. True they spend most of their days doing "snake stuff". But they seem to want the activity that socialization brings. Weirdest behavior trait I have seen is my milk, she will sit and stare at you, took us a bit to figure out what it meant. She is smaller and is fed once every 9 days. But if we see this, we know now she has pooped somewhere in the enclosure and wants it to be removed. As long as we go slow, she doesn't run away during the spot cleaning just watches us. I feel that as these snakes are kept in captivity, they will develop more learned behaviors. Yep, once upon a time I thought that they were untrainable pets and was against my daughter's pleas to get one. So glad I gave in.
The first video I've seen of yours. You earned my subscription. Great stiff my kids love it too.
Aw thanks so much, welcome to the channel!
Ah Bob, you know what, I've had a rubbish day, and I sat down to dinner with YT and it was like "Oooh, new GRP video!!" and it really cheered me up.
Also, I don't have anything snakey to contribute because I don't have one (still) so I'll just go with "Bear is my favourite" 😄
I'm so glad the video cheered you up!
Thanks for making me even more smarter about my snakes. To add this level of learning ("128 million years of evolution", for example, used to make a great point) to a hobby that I already enjoy so much is truly a gift.
I'm glad you got so much out of the video! I'm always excited to learn new bits of information as well.
I’m still waiting to see Kent’s reflection in The Inspector’s enclosure glass………😉 Another great video, Bob!! We’re spoiled. 🐍❤️🐍 See you in the clearing, next full moon.
Always good to see you in the clearing Lori! 😂
Great video Bob, I like it when my snakes come out of their own accord onto me. Never convinced with the target training though will look a bit more into that but not sure of why I would want to do that.
Target training isn't always necessary and I don't target train all my snakes. I've target trained a few ball pythons as an experiment, but there's really no reason to do that other than enrichment... My reticulated pythons and my black-headed python our target trained and I use that as a food cue. It works really well for snakes that are extremely food motivated. It's kind of the opposite of hook training... Also if I have one of my reticulated pythons free roaming and they get into an area they're not supposed to be in I can just target them out of the area and they'll come out on their own, following the target.
@@GreenRoomPythons that makes perfect sense, I may give it a try with my large BHP as she is extremely food responsive and not one that I would like to take a bite from - it will also provide some quality time with her - at arms reach.😉
@@BGPythons It's a good idea, I make sure with the reticulated pythons and the blackhead that I never feed them without the target. So they know that the only time there's food available is when they see that target. They still look for food and still will occasionally try to grab at something they think is food but my guess is the target training helps them to understand when food is really available. They definitely know what the target means and will follow it all over.
The haunted house analogy is spot on! Now I will never think the same way. From now on I’m gonna narrate the spooky attractions as they wander. Lol
I love it! 😅
I feel so famous being on the patreon board!
You ARE famous Chris!
Bob you have quickly risen as my favorite UA-camr. I love the way you blend good husbandry, science, and comedy. It’s just what a look for in my content.
@@Cteodorski Thanks so much Chris, I appreciate that! I'm glad you like the style of the channel :-)
How about "Welcome to Kent's Corner! The most exciting thing that could ever happen to two walls!
That's great, and one he's never said before!
You make me happy and informed. I love you ❤
Aw thanks so much for the kind words!
A thought-provoking video if there ever was one, for python keepers at least. Something we still struggle with sometimes is trying to strike the right balance between handling them enough so as to get them sufficiently used to it so as to not have them freak out when handling is essential, but to still let them be snakes as you put it. Any tips as to how to tell whether one's handling regime is too intensive or not intensive enough for a given snake?
That's a good question Keith. I think just being conscious of their stress level as you see it. So if they're out and about and you see them start to get a little squirrely or start to want to hide all the time, that might be a sign that they've been out for long enough. I have some snakes that I don't handle nearly as much because they prefer to just hide but when I do handle them, they're completely fine with it and still totally socialized. I think a snake that gets really tense and flinchy right when you pull them out is showing you that there not comfortable with handling - but my guess is your snakes probably don't do that.
Another fantastic video on behaviour from you... actually they all are, you have an incredibly chill and welcoming channel here mate =) I've been keeping since the 70s and while yes, I would have a few things to add, they're nothing critical and I need something to put in my own wee videos when they drop ;) More banjo!
Glad you like this one John! It's good to hear from veteran keepers who also enjoy the channel... I like the idea of more banjo :-)
I don’t have a bp and will not own a snake in this lifetime, but I love watching your videos. My wife who doesn’t like snakes also thinks you are a pretty awesome UA-camr. Keep up the amazing work. We need more videos like yours.
That's a huge compliment, thank you so much! I'm glad you both are enjoying the videos :-)
Great video Bob. I'm just completing a video mini series on my hatchlings showing how their behaviours develop and change as they get older, more confident and less nervous. They hatch 100% instinctual and need no help feeding and hiding and being a snake. What I see over time is a gradual "learned" change in behaviour where they stop flinching at every little thing that moves around them. They do this themselves without any "socialisation" or "habituation" and especially noteworthy they do this themselves without regular handling. When I do handle them, they have "learned" that I am part of the regular background "white noise" and not a threat. They do this without a regular handling "socialisation" programme and can be handled with no problem at all.
Learning is a stretch too far for me, because they immediately revert to instinctual behaviour on feeding day and will not recognise or differentiate me from food if I make a mistake. "Trust" requires individual recognition and I don't believe they have this ability, but they do build up a picture of their world and what's in it at any time vs a new and different smell that might be a potential threat. They can safely ignore my scent since its always there and nothing bad happens. This frees them up to focus on different or new scents that might be a threat and need their immediate attention. There is a survival benefit to this behaviour. It's not because they love us. I have tested this during free roaming with sweaty tee shirts placed in their path. My tee shirts are totally ignored. A strangers tee shirt gets checked out and requires their full attention before they move on. This is the total opposite of my cats, which go to sleep on my sweaty tee shirts, but ignore strangers.
I feel "socialisation" as in regular forced handling sessions (as opposed to free roaming without touching) is detrimental to a snakes wellbeing and serves no purpose other than to stress them out. Snakes are not social animals, they don't like or need handling and there is no benefit to the snake whatsoever in regularly handling. They do however "learn" not to stress out when handled gently and will tolerate it as in your example. This is what we are after in our snakes, a snake that doesn't stress out if we pick it up. A snake that doesn't go off food if you look at it funny. But we don't want a snake that is so desensitised through forced handling that it actually stops being a snake. As a breeder, I feel my snakes breed best when left alone. Minimal disturbance is the best way to successfully breed. For a pet owner, this will be a different threshold, but I think we need to be cogniscent of the fact that handling is for us, not for the snake. They do learn to tolerate, but keeping handling below a stress threshold is an essential part of their husbandry. Daily forced handling, no matter how tolerant a snake has become always causes issues.
If you don't mind, I will reference this video in my own because its such a good example of a balanced common sense approach to our snakes. Good job mate! Don't agree 100% on all of your videos, but this one I wouldn't change a thing! I know you won't agree 100% on all of mine, but it would be a boring world if we didn't challenge each other on the details.
Hey Rob, good to hear from you! Yes please, I'd love for you to reference this video in yours. I agree with you that socialization doesn't really have anything to do with the snake becoming a "social creature" and it's probably not the best term to use to describe working with a snake so that it doesn't stress when we have to handle it. I think you're right that a hatchling will naturally become more confident as they grow and age even just over a few weeks time. That's probably a built-in instinct as well to be extremely fearful and just wanting to hide when they're that small. Everything is out to get them at that size so they better have some hiding strategies right away.
another hit man ,,, i did enjoy ,,,,
Thank you, Glad you liked it!
I appreciate your videos, I always learn so much!
Thanks so much! Glad you like them :-)
another great video of insight
Thank you!
Thank you for another Wonderfully informative video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good one! Nice examples of instinct versus learning.
Thanks Lori!
Love your videos
Im new to this channel and i plan on getting a ball python😄 your videos have been helping me a lot. Thank you🐍
That's great, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
ooo that black box condo super cool!..I'm guessing your house is snake roaming friendly?.
Yes it is, I have a video all about how to make your house safe for free roaming 🙂
@@GreenRoomPythons I will for shure check out that video!my bf cousin rescued a king snake today some bad owner released him , this in Michigan n winter snow on ground !omg .good thing he found him, he in good home now. he also owns a bp.n crested gecko thought I'd share this story with you
Fantastic allegory with the haunted house vs new territory for snakes. Also omg new GRP ❤️ always happy to see a new video!
Thanks so much, glad you liked this one!
Another great Kent's Corner! I love the Behavior videos. How snakey minds think is one of the coolest things about these little dudes.
I agree, it's really fascinating stuff!
@@GreenRoomPythons Also Steve Biscuits is an optimal dog name.
@@lorrainemunoa791 I hope somebody names their dog that
I agree with your synopsis for the most part. I watch a lot of Robs videos as well. I like that you both perform experiments.
He disagrees with me about the benefits of desensitizing from occasional gentle handling. And he does seem to have a lot of conformation bias when observing snake behavior.
I think some enrichment and handling is good for stress management and mental development, but of course people can overdo it or do it too soon
Yes I agree, you can definitely overdo it!
Great information and video as always Bob! It’s been a year since I’ve had Howl and I’m still trying to understand him. He’s a cruiser when he decides to come out and is going at a pretty quick pace around the room. I’ve always wondered if he’s hunting or just exploring. He seems comfortable, he never goes in any hides I provide in the path he goes too. It’ll take me more time to understand I suppose 😅
It shows that he's not fearful In the moment if he's not choosing to go into hides and ball pythons don't typically actively hunt. They're more of ambush predators so I would say probably just curiously checking out the room :-)
@@GreenRoomPythons Thank you Bob for the input :D I’m really happy to hear that. Yay! I’ve got an explorer ❤️❤️
Can you do a video on injuries in snakes sometime in the future? Specifically falls. Mine was being weighed today and fell cause the vet kinda just let her slide right off her hand and hit her head on the top of her travel tub about 6 inches below her and I’m super worried. Vet said it should be fine “and if not, you’re already at the vet!” all jokey and I’m kinda freaking out.
No need to freak out. Snakes fall all the time and they're pretty tough. They can take a fall especially if just a few inches. I've had snakes fall from six or seven feet. You definitely want to avoid that but it's happened before and they're just fine.
Wait, so does that mean that I can’t make my juvenile bald python my cute little snuggle buddy??? So lame! Just kidding but when a reptile chooses to be with you versus away from you or in their enclosure, you said it best in your “Why do people like snakes” video, it’s so rewarding 😁
Yeah that's my favorite thing :-)
Do you wanna catch these hands 🤣🤣🤣 Kent my guy💪🏽🤟🏽
He's very street wise
@@GreenRoomPythons and knows how to carry himself 🫡
had to laugh at the name Steve Biscuits! i named my puppy dog Macie Biscuit when i was 8. she’s 16 now :D
That's a great name, and a long-lived dog!
Always brilliant and entertaining too! 😂
Hey thanks so much Custom Reptile Habitats, I'm glad you liked it!
Steve biscuits is a nice snake name too.
Hi bob, I’m new to ball pythons but we call them royal pythons because ‘we’re better than you’ 😂 we recently got our first one 5days ago. I just want to say that your channel is amazing!! Me and my partner laura have been going through all of your videos the last 2-3weeks and it’s been very helpful!! All the info we need and you make it fun to watch too. Anyways I just want to say keep up what you doing and we’re wishing you all the best from wales (UK)
Hey Wayne, thanks so much, glad you're enjoying the channel! Congrats on that new fancy "Royal python" :-)
@@GreenRoomPythons haha thank you, she’s beautiful
great facts n loved the part where you told is how long they've been on the planet wow !bear one of my top faves of your snakes.his fave cute n markings /pied I love.bp are smart n can learn .n yea instinct impt. let nature rule .
Nature is pretty cool, right?
Hey Bob, what is your favorite snake you own?
That's probably impossible to answer. I could pick some favorites but they would come with explanations. Maybe I'll do that in the next livestream ;-)
Kent and those hands 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for another great video I love them. In your opinion or anybody's opinion does a female or a male ball make a better pet,or does that even have anything to do with the way they act? Ty
There's really no difference
Steve Biscuit, lol. guess my wife is going to have a new nickname for me once she see's this.
It's a fantastic nickname especially for someone named Steve already
Seems like Handsome Dan is growing on you! Are you thinking of keeping him permanently?
Yeah I was thinking of that from day 1 :-)
Nice caramel moustache Handsome Dan ;)
He does have a nice little mustache!
Our family just added the first Banana Ball Python to the mix about 3 weeks ago, and she's 6-7 months old. She is incredibly sweet (read: tolerant) of us, but is also extremely explorative. I've seen her fall from trying to escape her 16" H enclosure multiple times, once lead to a small bleed from a belly scale. And I've let her free roam the office that she lives in, ; she is coooonstantly on the move and doesn't like to hide much. Enclosure readings are great: temps/humidity, etc. But i'm worried she isn't comfortable anywhere since she is constantly looking for new places. Any advice on how to handle a ridiculously explorative BP?
I spent a good chunk of this video wondering why you felt so familiar. You have like, the exact facial and vocal mannerisms of Matt Damon
Omg lol you make learning enjoyable! ❤😂
Aw thanks!
@@GreenRoomPythons and ty for the code to Blackbox, I just ordered an enclosure for my pied!
@@Kellz58 that's great, I'm sure you'll be happy with it
@GreenRoomPythons you saved me a potentially bad situation before I get him here, I live in Wisconsin and my house temp is not going to maintain his health. So I am taking all precautions, and listening to the BEST. I also went through a reputable breeder, again, your doing. Best wishes to you and yours.
@Miracles57 that's great, happy to help!
Do you think in a very minor and simple way our snakes develop some “social” skill in the sense that us being around them is good for their well being, and they may seek it out? Also as usual great video keep up the good work
I hear a lot of snake keepers claim that their snake wants to hang out with them but I don't believe that's the case. They are just not social creatures and I don't think there's any amount of working with your snake that would make them all of a sudden become a social creature. I think the best we can hope for is that they tolerate us and they might see us as a conduit to coming out of their enclosure or a conduit getting food... A good way to test if they want to hang out with you is to bring them out and put them on your lap and see how long they hang out with you if given the choice to either stay in your lap or crawl away somewhere.
Apparently that discount code isnt valid on certain products for BBC
That's right, the discount code is only good on cages and racks. Their margins are too low already on the accessories to discount.
@@GreenRoomPythons dang
So, we got an 8 month old BP three weeks ago. He is pretty shy and is always in his hide, but he eats live rats good. You said it was stressful to remove them from their hide and pick them up. When would I take him out to train him that I'm okay and to desensitise him to being handled?
I have some handling videos that will help. You can pull them out of their hide occasionally but you don't want to make a habit of it as a daily thing
@@GreenRoomPythons I’ve watched most of your videos. Good stuff. If he never
comes out of his hide, except occasdy in the middle of the night, how do I pick him up?
@@OnRappel just pick him up. No big deal :-)
Hello, i know this is not about this vid, but i have one question, im making an OSB enclosure (with 80x40x40cm) how should i heat this enclosure??
If you watch my ball python care guide, that will give you some ideas on heating. I don't know what OSB is but you'll either heat it with a heat mat from below or heating from above (or both) and you have a few different options if you go from above.
@@GreenRoomPythons Thank you a lot and if you want to know OSB its Oriented strand board
the start of the video i thought when he said you didnt know what he was gonna throw, i thought that meant he was gonna throw it back if thats not confusing :)
I love honny 🐝🌻🌼🐝
This hides look nice
Yeah, I love those black box hides.
Heyy man. Can you please help me with my snake!. My snake let out a white liquid on me and suddenly his tail was thin and he was more active. We got him 2 weeks ago! He still has not eaten. Please help me i dont know what to do. And he looks underweight.
That was just pee, your snake peed on you. I would leave him alone for at least a week to get accustomed to his enclosure. Try to offer him food about a week after you last held him. In the meantime, watch my ball python care guide and that should help with any other questions you have :-)
Dont handle a snake that isnt eating
What is Handsome Dan then? A boa?
Yes he is!
What kind of boa?
@@Brandyalla Central American T+ Fire
He lives up to his name
Lol do you want to catch these hands 😂😂😆😂 these hands 😂😂 this dude 😜😂
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Coming from the man who knows his stuff..
Question tho..
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HOW MANY
snakes do you actually own currently, because of all the knowledgeable facts you give..
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at about 4:20 your right they are very smart but, not smart enough to messure or size up and eat you lol just for the people that think they will
Agreed! That's not smarts though - that's just the instinct to be an opportunistic predator :-)
Bob...u havta buy ur brother/employee a upta date video recorder..
Vhs??
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Mine has learned the sight of the tongs means dinner and forgets to be scared of his own shadow for a few minutes
I'm gonna make people who come over watch this episode....then they'll stop asking me to "dig him out"
That's a great idea ;-)
So when is the best time to handle and socialize babies
Steve Biskit made me laugh.
I hope somebody names their dog that
he goona catch u outside.... LOL.....
He might!