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  • After I've had the chance to really get a good peek behind the curtain of the three tier system, I have a real fear that some of the best whiskey out there, may never actually make it to your taste buds. The system is broken, and doesn't seem to be getting any better.
    There is actually something you can do about it. Stick around to the end of the video to hear ways you can help make a difference.
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    0:00 Introduction
    0:43 Thank you to our Patreon!
    1:05 Disclaimers
    1:40 The Three Tier System
    3:55 Current State of the Distributor System
    5:03 The Wholesale Tier
    8:57 Shameless Plug
    9:42 Financials
    11:21 What are the Motivations?
    13:50 The Problem for Smaller Producers
    16:58 Solutions for Small Producers
    20:43 Why do Some New Brands Succeed?
    23:21 How Can This be Fixed?
    25:50 GIVEAWAY
    26:49 Support & Show some love
    27:55 Show Philosophy/Sign off
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  • @robertrackuzius3722
    @robertrackuzius3722 14 днів тому +5

    Randy, you are doing a great job as the salesperson and brand ambassador. Your whiskey also has a reputation and quality that speaks for itself. Good job at beating the system

  • @stuartrollings602
    @stuartrollings602 14 днів тому +12

    Another example of our governments ability to add bureaucracy to the consumers! Let free markets reign!

    • @burner27
      @burner27 14 днів тому

      A lot of this is based in antiquated temperance laws. So really religion interfering in secular life.

    • @Jnickel74
      @Jnickel74 12 днів тому

      He literally says at the beginning that, in his opinion, bootleggers with lots of money influenced the system. This is why money/government is the likely cause. I’m sure that the big distillers, producers, and distributors would net let government ease restrictions. So, they are the problem here.

  • @davidmeier1811
    @davidmeier1811 13 днів тому +4

    The wholesaler/distributors have all the power in the system. They are not required to carry a brand, nor are they required to supply a brand to a store or bar. The wholesaler is not motivated to deliver small quantities of craft and makes more $ off sales of big brands. This is great info.

    • @ericbugh5393
      @ericbugh5393 10 днів тому

      The funny part is they say everything takes like buffalo trace. 😂😂

  • @user-ww3ww2jr9c
    @user-ww3ww2jr9c 13 днів тому +2

    Good video Randy! The system definitely is broken and you're 100% right the fault falls on the wholesaler. Nobody should be able to tell us what we can and cannot drink. In my state of Iowa I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that a lot of our state allocated bottles end up in the possession of those that work for the state run wholesalers. It's BS.

  • @garyscheff9343
    @garyscheff9343 14 днів тому +5

    That’s what happens when the states decide, 51 different liquor laws, need a manual in every state

    • @burner27
      @burner27 14 днів тому

      I'm shocked nobody had run on streamlining a federal liquor standard.

  • @jasonczfan8658
    @jasonczfan8658 14 днів тому +3

    I have your 6 year rye and bourbon and they are fantastic. I saw the 15 year a couple of years back and passed on it. So much regret 😞

  • @Redshirt986
    @Redshirt986 13 днів тому +2

    System is definitely broken. Typical bureaucracy is involved. Thanks for the information.

  • @StevenScone
    @StevenScone 14 днів тому +3

    Alabama almost never sees anything from small companies. I'm fortunate enough to live near Tennessee. But for many others in the state they will never see some of the stuff I am able to get. This is unfortunate because these smaller guys is what I like to get.

    • @user-ww3ww2jr9c
      @user-ww3ww2jr9c 13 днів тому +1

      I was just in Nashville and really enjoyed seeing the selection of shelf available bottles. Well done TN

  • @oscarvasquez3552
    @oscarvasquez3552 12 днів тому +1

    It will be interesting to see how their representative program works

  • @Opeokaythen
    @Opeokaythen 12 днів тому +1

    Love the idea for your street team/ambassador program!

  • @joepa99
    @joepa99 13 днів тому +2

    In TN we cant even have spirits shipped to us from out of state. Very arcane laws.

  • @donaldday7850
    @donaldday7850 13 днів тому +1

    Thanks for the deep insight on the 3 tier system! One day I'll benefit everyone equally!

  • @robmc6332
    @robmc6332 12 днів тому +1

    Longtime sub, first time commenting. Just wanted to say that I appreciate the insight and honest point of view provided by your channel.

  • @FirstSip-LastDrop
    @FirstSip-LastDrop 13 днів тому +1

    Love the info you continually get out there. Hopefully there is opportunities in government to get change for the betterment of all.

  • @WhiskyForBeginners
    @WhiskyForBeginners 13 днів тому +1

    The more I learn about the three tier system, the more I despise it. It sounds like the system isn't just stupid, but also thoroughly corrupt.

  • @DaWindowLicker
    @DaWindowLicker 12 днів тому +1

    Thanks for bringing clarity of what's going in the industry. This helps consumers to understand what goes on behind our purchases

  • @jaxblaster84
    @jaxblaster84 14 днів тому +3

    Its time for a change, why can wineries sell online direct to consumers but distilleries cant. this would change the market so much and get rid of the secondary prices.

  • @sueschanning
    @sueschanning 14 днів тому +1

    Every liquor store in my area (southwest Louisiana) tells the same story. You have to buy case deals to be able to purchase allocations. Or even what they consider allocations. Penelope white label has been allocated to a smaller liquor store.

  • @christophergermano6740
    @christophergermano6740 12 днів тому +1

    Great video Randy! The deep pockets are trying not to have the law passed in NYS. NYS Legislature just passed a Bill. Lets see it the NYS Governor signs it to make it a law. Read below:
    The New York State Distillers Guild and the New York Cider Association are pleased to report that the New York State Legislature passed a bill that will allow their members to safely ship products to adult consumers (A3132-Lupardo/S2852-Skoufis). If enacted, the bill will authorize intrastate shipping as well as interstate shipping to states where direct-to-consumer (DtC) shipping is legal and that have equivalent license classes. The bill now awaits signature by the governor to be enacted into law.

  • @davidteller7681
    @davidteller7681 14 днів тому +4

    I feel like I need a shower after listening to this.

    • @robmullins
      @robmullins 11 днів тому

      Yeah, pretty disgusting hearing about legalized corruption.

  • @ALaw-gi2rm
    @ALaw-gi2rm 13 днів тому +2

    All whiskey just needs to stay under 100$ if it’s between 4-6 years no matter the brand.

  • @travisrobeson306
    @travisrobeson306 13 днів тому +1

    A lot to digest. Super informative and very helpful. Thank you for educating us! Hopefully this can change in the years to come.

  • @TheNewRevolution
    @TheNewRevolution 14 днів тому +11

    I hate the 3-tier system and have commented on your past videos about this system. I live in Kentucky, I've started just going to distilleries and buying bottles. It's still not ideal. For example, I go to Buffalo Trace about once every 3 months to buy a bottle because they will only sell you one every 90 days. It's ridiculous. I've been a whiskey fan for 30 years, and in the last 5-6 years it's been virtually impossible to get what I want. I found a Weller Antique 107 store pick last Friday for $64. It's the first limited release I've been able to buy at the store all year. I now see retailers gouging the public. It wasn't bad here until about a year ago. I regularly see bottles at retailers now with prices many times what MSRP is. There's a retailer in the town over that has even developed a point system. They have limited releases on their shelves for up to %1000 markup. Every time you buy at the store, you get points. When you've saved enough points, you can trade them in so you can buy a bottle at a normal price.😂 I think it's silly. But it obviously works for this retailer. If you spend thousands of dollars at this store, you can buy a limited release for only a slight markup. This store is not the cheapest store on any product. You're paying more for every bottle you buy. Something needs to change.

    • @concernedcitizen939
      @concernedcitizen939 12 днів тому

      The distilleries buy back their gift shop alcohol from distributors. They do not avoid the three tier system.

    • @TheNewRevolution
      @TheNewRevolution 12 днів тому

      @concernedcitizen939 yeah, just rediculous. Unfortunately, nothing is going to change. There's no incentive for the people who benefit from the system to change it. It does crush small or new distillers. Kentucky is getting into medical marijuana now too. The system developed for that is completely rigged to ensure big business crushes the little guy.

    • @SRVandDtrouble
      @SRVandDtrouble 11 днів тому

      At Buffalo Trace you can buy Weller Special Reserve, Blanton's,and EHT EACH so as long as you like variety you have 3 bottles to keep you busy for those 3 months of and bring a friend they can get a bottle too.

  • @Liz_DrB
    @Liz_DrB 14 днів тому +2

    Solid info on tier system. Glad you r expanding your Prideful Goat ambassador program.

  • @bfactor
    @bfactor 13 днів тому +1

    Extremely informative content here. Thank you for sharing.

  • @doubleadave6207
    @doubleadave6207 14 днів тому +2

    Love the show, always informative!

  • @HOUSEBOURBON
    @HOUSEBOURBON 13 днів тому +2

    Thanks for the insider info!

  • @MrGibsn1960
    @MrGibsn1960 13 днів тому +1

    I’ve had many a conversation with my local brick and mortar (Kingwood Texas) about how the licensing is set up. It’s really a crooked system on who gets what and how they have to go about getting allocated items in the shop. It’s ridiculous.

  • @silver3344
    @silver3344 14 днів тому +1

    I agree, and I appreciate the in-depth knowledge you've shared on this. Thank you! As the whiskey community grows, we need to be informed and hopefully have the numbers to influence legislation so we can stop getting shafted in price, supply and choice, and mfgs can have rights to sell their wares direct.

  • @hyseptu1733
    @hyseptu1733 14 днів тому +2

    Truly informative and great video!!!

  • @ehtater
    @ehtater 13 днів тому +1

    Great information, Real talk. Awesome.

  • @WTCrawford
    @WTCrawford 11 днів тому +1

    This video reminds me why I dislike government bureaucracy and lobbyists so much. With that said, I would love to see craft distillers pool their resources and hire their own lobbyists.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  11 днів тому

      They tried in TX. To have enough funding to be effective they need the larger craft distilleries to participate, but at least one of the larger craft distillers was threatened by their wholesaler and pulled out.

  • @lrbtechie
    @lrbtechie 13 днів тому +1

    I really appreciate this type of informative content!

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  13 днів тому

      Glad you enjoyed it - thanks for the feedback!

  • @napsterninja
    @napsterninja 13 днів тому +1

    The more we know. Thanks for sharing the information. No wonder Chesnut farms are pushed hard, but Total Wine is one of the best places for allocated at or close to MSRP around me.

  • @joedunlap6276
    @joedunlap6276 14 днів тому +1

    Thank you Randy. You've been essential in helping me to understand the corrupt system, and why I have such a hard time getting really good bottles, at a FAIR price. Keep up the good work that your doing.

  • @dirtydawg3734
    @dirtydawg3734 13 днів тому +1

    Wow.... I had no idea. Great content

  • @user-bx4jq9pv9w
    @user-bx4jq9pv9w 14 днів тому +2

    Congrats on the remarkable score of 9.0 given to The Prideful Goat 15 by Matt on ADHD Whiskey in his Wednesday blind. Ordered a bottle of The Prideful Goat 8 yr. rye from Bourbon Outfitters a few months back but it was damaged during shipping and the cost refunded since it was no longer available. Guess I’ll try again. Really like to see the smaller producers succeed in today’s crazy market.

  • @juangarces3443
    @juangarces3443 13 днів тому +1

    Here in NH, distilleries are allowed to sell directly to consumers, however, they are local distilleries, small in size. Is this something that's happening as well in other states? and how that falls in the tier system discussed? Thanks --

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  12 днів тому

      There is generally a way in each state to sell direct to consumer, but it is so restricted that it isn't a viable path to market for a full scale business plan.

  • @devipittman6926
    @devipittman6926 13 днів тому +1

    🤯🤯🤯🥃🥃🥃that’s a lot to take in. Thanks for the info.

  • @billybruticus4719
    @billybruticus4719 13 днів тому +1

    Is the 3 tier system the problem or is it the regulation of it the issue? Seems like there's a problem with the wholesale and retail tier. Like plenty of other industries in this country the system is supposed to work for the people but money seems to get in the way

  • @Ilikebourbonalot
    @Ilikebourbonalot 14 днів тому +1

    Oh yea! I'm all in!

  • @OutsideTheStar
    @OutsideTheStar 13 днів тому

    Hey I’m super excited to see your product is coming to Wisconsin!!! Was extremely excited when I found out today who your distributor is 😏

    • @OutsideTheStar
      @OutsideTheStar 13 днів тому

      Btw I can pitch sales for you up here. No problem. (GB) 😉

  • @Brendon321
    @Brendon321 14 днів тому +1

    Thanks Randy, always appreciate your videos. I hate this system and wish we didn't have to go through this BS to get good bottles (or any bottles period). Thanks again for the information ✌️

  • @007jpool
    @007jpool 11 днів тому

    Fantastic content as always, very informative and I'm going to pick up a bottle of the prideful goat. I'm also in real estate in the San Antonio area and I'm finishing a really nice bourbon room. We should connect on this ambassador endeavor for sure.

  • @burner27
    @burner27 14 днів тому +1

    I feel like 200 years of alternating teetotaler/temperence movements have continued to muddy the waters here.

  • @frankrivera1666
    @frankrivera1666 13 днів тому +1

    The system needs to be changed.

  • @curtisahvakana7206
    @curtisahvakana7206 11 днів тому +1

    Very educational

  • @antroque35
    @antroque35 13 днів тому

    Do you have a list of store where Prideful Goat is available in Northern California by any chance?

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  12 днів тому

      www.pridefulgoat.com/pages/store-locator
      Call ahead! I don't know who has run out of inventory.

  • @MichaelSullivanCincinnatux
    @MichaelSullivanCincinnatux 14 днів тому +1

    Is there any indication that the bourbon boom now includes enough politicians who are also bourbon enthusiasts that there might be some traction on issues that wholesalers traditionally block via lobbying? Similarly, are there any moves by bourbon consumer groups to engage in collective lobbying to promote reasonable adjustments to the 3-tier system?

  • @JoeScar412
    @JoeScar412 17 годин тому

    I’ve always wanted to get summa dat Prideful Goat! Being a rep is even better. My name is going on the list.

  • @timfishback6137
    @timfishback6137 14 днів тому

    Never tried this product, is it available in Colorado?

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  14 днів тому +1

      We lost our wholesaler in CO. You can find stores that used to carry it on our website. Call ahead to see if they still have inventory.
      www.pridefulgoat.com/pages/store-locator

  • @frankmastromauro5630
    @frankmastromauro5630 14 днів тому +1

    Good video

  • @robertharper2158
    @robertharper2158 15 днів тому +1

  • @jmartinez4460
    @jmartinez4460 14 днів тому +1

    I saw the PG 15 year last year for $250 I couldn’t do it. For me it was to much because I didn’t know anything about it.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  14 днів тому

      That bottle was originally released at $140. My wholesaler bumped their margin and pushed the price way up. We fired them, but the stores who have it at a high price are usually charging a normal margin.

  • @khaldounsamman9128
    @khaldounsamman9128 13 днів тому

    I thought you were gonna talk about Springbank Cask Strength :(

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  13 днів тому

      Ironically that is what we drank on the podcast I did with Dewayne Poor. He has a single barrel.

  • @caseyD2016cubs
    @caseyD2016cubs 13 днів тому

    I’m in. Let me work for you.

  • @kogac6351
    @kogac6351 14 днів тому +1

    That was gross and enlightening. Thanks, R!

  • @dirkdiggs
    @dirkdiggs 14 днів тому +1

    Funny how DC skirts the law, rules for thee and not for me, not surprised 😏

  • @BourbonBlenders
    @BourbonBlenders 13 днів тому +1

    Sign me up Randy🥃

  • @codyburgess7034
    @codyburgess7034 14 днів тому

    Wouldn’t the evidence prove that the odds of the best whiskey in the market come from the largest distilleries who like 3 tier? I get the argument but there are so many options of NPD and Craft that is not good I don’t mind that it separates the wheat from the chaff.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  14 днів тому

      I get your point, but there have been a couple of distilleries that I have come across that have a great product, but are struggling with market penetration due to system restraints.

  • @bob-rogers
    @bob-rogers 21 годину тому

    Washington State has distillery-to-consumer sales.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  15 годин тому

      I said "Generally speaking producers are prohibited from selling direct to consumer, and when it is allowed it is onerously restricted".
      I don't know the laws in Washington, but I doubt they are allowed to ship unlimited quantities direct to consumers without passing it through the wholesale tier.

    • @bob-rogers
      @bob-rogers 13 годин тому

      @@BourbonRealTalk To be fair, if you want unlimited quantities you're probably not a consumer 🙂
      We were in Seattle not long ago and we visited Copperworks. I was surprised to find out they could ship me the whiskey we tasted. By buying two bottles they paid for the shipping, and since we were out of state it was exempt from sales tax.
      It's a nice little distillery if you're ever in the area, and their product tastes really good. The two bottles had the exact same grain bill, except one used Vienna malt instead of plain malt. All the other variables were identical. The Vienna malt makes a substantial difference. My wife prefers the one with the plain while I prefer the Vienna.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  2 години тому

      @@bob-rogers I see. There likely is a 3rd party shipping retailer that is acting as the 3 tier system. They white label a website for the producer so consumers think they are buying direct from the producer, but the three tier system is still involved.
      When I say unlimited this is what I mean. Let's say you visit a distillery in TX that has 6 different SKUs. You have a great time and you want to buy one of each. Until recently they were only allowed to sell you 2 every 30 days, and shipping was not allowed. All purchases had to be in person. The state was fighting for shipping, but the Wholesaler lobby was too powerful. The wholesalers ended up offering a compromise. The wholesalers would tell the legislators it was OK for them to increase the limit to 4 every 30 days, as long as the producers would drop the shipping request for at least the next few years. The little producers knew the shipping request would likely be stopped by the wholesaler's lobby, so they took the deal. Now they can sell 4 of their 6 SKUs, but not all 6.

  • @StillLivinginthewoods
    @StillLivinginthewoods 13 днів тому +2

    Government mandated middle men are always a pain in the A.
    They wouldn't exist in a truly free market.

  • @brianshay6836
    @brianshay6836 14 днів тому +2

    Nothing worse than being harangued by TW employees who push nothing but Spirits Direct products and know next to nothing, in many cases, about whiskey. I cringe each time one of them approaches.

  • @luckyspag1346
    @luckyspag1346 14 днів тому +1

    The tree tier sucks

  • @BourbonForageFishing
    @BourbonForageFishing 14 днів тому +1

    3 Tier system -
    Another example of why you never give government power....

    • @eafarrar
      @eafarrar 13 днів тому

      I think you mean corporate lobbyists.

    • @BourbonForageFishing
      @BourbonForageFishing 13 днів тому

      @@eafarrar
      What do lobbyist lobby for?
      Government regulations to secure Monopoly powers. Happens in every industry. Freer market's/ liberalization = the correct answer to the problem

  • @sideshowonacid
    @sideshowonacid 14 днів тому +1

    I’m glad you are talking about this candidly.

  • @YoJimBo851610
    @YoJimBo851610 13 днів тому +1

    245👍

  • @burner27
    @burner27 14 днів тому

    This craziness with bourbon is why i am gravitating toward Scotch.

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  14 днів тому +1

      Scotch faces the same issues.

    • @steveno7058
      @steveno7058 13 днів тому

      @@BourbonRealTalk nah. Scotch rarely gets marked up over retail price like allocated Bourbon

    • @BourbonRealTalk
      @BourbonRealTalk  13 днів тому +1

      @@steveno7058 Maybe check out the video. This video isn't about price gouging.

  • @420
    @420 13 днів тому

    Can someone drop a timestamp to the whiskey part?