Yes! You made this extremely simple and easy to understand! I have a EE roo and blue, white, brown, and green egg layers. I can't wait to start hatching now that I have a better understanding of genetics! Thanks so much!
Very thorough and informative presentation! Can you please consider doing a video on the genetics and tactics of breeding poultry e.g. how many breeding groups to use, closed or rotating; how long do I use the same members of a given group for; line breeding etc. It will be really useful. There is a plethora of information out there and it can be quite overwhelming.
Oh, shades of Genetics class with Dr. Charles "Chicken" Thomas a professor with the Mississippi State Poultry Science Department. I had always wondered why the Genetics class required for Biology majors was taught by a PS prof until I saw Whiting Farms chickens!
I prefer the old time genetic nomenclature where they used to put a + sign after the allele that is of a wild type nature(found on the original Red Jungle Fowl) for example in this case in the Oocyan allele. On the Oocyan allele there are three allelic mutation: The wildtype o+(lower case for being recessive and + for being wildtype) which is the non-blue egg shell mutation, the O (for Oocyan) and a Chinese Oocyan mutation that is caused by the same Endogenous Retrovirus EAV-HP but on a different part of the allele(so they are different but are allelic to each other). Another example is the single comb mutation is p+ where the pea comb is P their cross would produce a P/p+ offspring, if you put P/p+ you would understand that P is dominant but a mutation of the wildtype p+ found on the Red Jungle Fowl, the / is the separate them. so to me P/p+ is much better than Pp
Okay, so I have two F1OE eggs in my incubator (it was a BCM and a cream crested legbar) the F1OE hens were mixed back to the cream crested lebar. So the F1OE eggs I'm incubating would have a 50% change of being blue and a 50% chance of being spearmint, correct? Great video. I'd love to see more examples. Like an F1OE with an EE or another OE or something
So there are only 2 egg colors Blue and white Blue is dominant over white All brown egg layers lay white eggs with a brown cover layer which is separate from the egg color it's basically painted on after the eggs made
Curious how you house your hens. Are they tagged by generation and housed by breed, or are all generations separate (I'd imagine that would be a lot of pens). What are the most generations you've gone for a final color?
Almost every bird is tagged with a number and color. I wish I had the ability to keep every generation separate! I’m working on an F12 olive egger currently, but it’s almost impossible to tell it’s an OE because of how brown the egg has become
Once you back cross, is it considered a BC1 OE not an F2 OE? I thought an F2 was an F1 bred to an F1 that lays olive. Doing this over time you will only get olive.
I’ve never used BC1 before. In order for it to be considered an F2, it means the the first generation had to reproduce. I guess I should have just stuck with 1st and 2nd gen. to avoid confusion. Breeding OE to back to a brown egg layer will continually produce 50/50 brown/olive offspring. Breeding OE to OE will continually produce blue, olive, and brown layers.
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while I can certainly appreciate this, I think it's overly simplistic and not quite accurate... there is no brown egg gene. It's blue or white. And the terminology "F2 cross" is wrong - it would be considered a BC1, as the offspring (F1) are backcrossed to one of the parent stock. F2 would be F1xF1
Yes! You made this extremely simple and easy to understand! I have a EE roo and blue, white, brown, and green egg layers. I can't wait to start hatching now that I have a better understanding of genetics! Thanks so much!
Thank you!! That was the goal 👍🏻. Good luck with your breeding!
Thank you for making chicken genetics accessible to the masses 😀
Now THIS is the content I signed up for! Great job!
Very thorough and informative presentation! Can you please consider doing a video on the genetics and tactics of breeding poultry e.g. how many breeding groups to use, closed or rotating; how long do I use the same members of a given group for; line breeding etc. It will be really useful. There is a plethora of information out there and it can be quite overwhelming.
I agree!!
The way you broke it down and showed the eggs was awesome thank you
This was an excellent video with excellent well presented clear information. What a breath of fresh air. Thank you!
Made this easier to understand than my biology teacher ever did!
Great explanation on how to achieve a desired shade!
Took me right back to biology class :D
Great explanation! Thanks for the info
Glad I found your channel! Great video thanks .
Saving video for later so I can create my own! 🥰
Thank you breaking it down! Helps alot
Great Video!!!
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Oh, shades of Genetics class with Dr. Charles "Chicken" Thomas a professor with the Mississippi State Poultry Science Department. I had always wondered why the Genetics class required for Biology majors was taught by a PS prof until I saw Whiting Farms chickens!
I prefer the old time genetic nomenclature where they used to put a + sign after the allele that is of a wild type nature(found on the original Red Jungle Fowl) for example in this case in the Oocyan allele. On the Oocyan allele there are three allelic mutation: The wildtype o+(lower case for being recessive and + for being wildtype) which is the non-blue egg shell mutation, the O (for Oocyan) and a Chinese Oocyan mutation that is caused by the same Endogenous Retrovirus EAV-HP but on a different part of the allele(so they are different but are allelic to each other). Another example is the single comb mutation is p+ where the pea comb is P their cross would produce a P/p+ offspring, if you put P/p+ you would understand that P is dominant but a mutation of the wildtype p+ found on the Red Jungle Fowl, the / is the separate them. so to me P/p+ is much better than Pp
Excellent!
Okay, so I have two F1OE eggs in my incubator (it was a BCM and a cream crested legbar) the F1OE hens were mixed back to the cream crested lebar. So the F1OE eggs I'm incubating would have a 50% change of being blue and a 50% chance of being spearmint, correct?
Great video.
I'd love to see more examples. Like an F1OE with an EE or another OE or something
If the Ameraucana is the rooster and the hen is a Black Australorp will the odds be similar?
If you decide to sell some of those olive eggers I would buy some I recall you saying that you’re in New England I’m in Connecticut
So there are only 2 egg colors
Blue and white
Blue is dominant over white
All brown egg layers lay white eggs with a brown cover layer which is separate from the egg color it's basically painted on after the eggs made
Curious how you house your hens. Are they tagged by generation and housed by breed, or are all generations separate (I'd imagine that would be a lot of pens). What are the most generations you've gone for a final color?
Almost every bird is tagged with a number and color. I wish I had the ability to keep every generation separate! I’m working on an F12 olive egger currently, but it’s almost impossible to tell it’s an OE because of how brown the egg has become
When you break it down like this, you make it very easy to understand.
Once you back cross, is it considered a BC1 OE not an F2 OE? I thought an F2 was an F1 bred to an F1 that lays olive. Doing this over time you will only get olive.
I’ve never used BC1 before. In order for it to be considered an F2, it means the the first generation had to reproduce. I guess I should have just stuck with 1st and 2nd gen. to avoid confusion. Breeding OE to back to a brown egg layer will continually produce 50/50 brown/olive offspring. Breeding OE to OE will continually produce blue, olive, and brown layers.
The term F2 may not be correct in this instance. I should have used 2nd gen to clarify. Thank you!
@@fathenfarms9650 ok, I got it now. I think because the OE has no real standard that the terms are used differently by different people.
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Eggers n Bacon killer chart!! Love that 👍🏻
Is there a website where you can find a list of genotypes of each type of chicken?
I was wondering the same think! But I see it’s been a year and no one responded 😭
So is it possible to do the same to get green egg laying turkens. If im mixxing my turken Roo with a prairie egger hen?
Can you do this for speckling as well?
Do you get the same egg color outcome using an F1 cock over BCM hens? The punnet square would have the same outcome, but will the eggs be the same?
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while I can certainly appreciate this, I think it's overly simplistic and not quite accurate... there is no brown egg gene. It's blue or white. And the terminology "F2 cross" is wrong - it would be considered a BC1, as the offspring (F1) are backcrossed to one of the parent stock. F2 would be F1xF1