22:20 amazing. I had this exact thought yesterday morning after training in the garden. No 2 body shapes are exactly the same, therefore every martial expression will be different. (I was having an imaginary discussion with people who are too quick to criticise how a certain martial expression looks on the surface - of which there are many who make this complaint.) When one realises this, it can remove some anxiety about 'doing it correctly' when that self criticism is based on replicating the form of a more senior practitioner. Another very informative video Master Yang. Thank you 👊☯️ edit: I recall also i was thinking it is like the same grape variety giving a different flavour/expression to the wine produced depending on where in the world it is grown 👍🏼
another fascinating lecture on the evolution of xing yi....so a stretch in the pokey was serendipitous in that it led to creation of half-step BENG/WOOD fist...wow ...when life hands lemons make lemonade
Hi Sifu Hai Yang, Appreciate you making these videos for greater exposure to the community. I've dabbled in xingyiquan and other internal arts for quite a while now and I've come across this term "Orderly in 4 extremities" from xingyi and would seek your thoughts/advice on the matter. the details are as follows 4 Extremities of Xingyi "The tongue is the extremity of the muscles; the fingernails and toenails are the extremities of the tendons; the head hair and body hair are the extremity of the blood; the teeth are the extremity of the bones. Touch the tongue to the upper palate to settle the qi so it can descend to Dantian and make the muscles strong.Curve the fingers and toes inward slightly so that qi pours into the nails and tendons. When the hair stands up all over the body, and on the head like pushing up a hat, there is courage and the whole body is strengthened. Gently clamping or touching the teeth together enables qi to flow into the bone marrow" From my understanding, The statement refers that a practitioner should adopt a physical posture where every joint starting from the feet exerts constant pressure all the way to the tongue/palate to create a unified posture, and how the physicality of such posture can create an effect on one's mental state where one can feel increased confidence, vitality & health from adopting such posture. I do have a feeling that my understanding to be limited as I wasn't formerly trained by any master, and would like your inputs on this. Thank you.
Theoretically most of the knowledge I have learned and put it to real use is actually coming from him ,3 powers,3 levels of change out and inward,3 breathing techniques, connection to Dao was very essential to him ,the difference between stillness and growing the root , reading some of his teachings I understood the importance of using the old methods for changing the bones, tendons and especially the final stage of cleaning the back brain which is the real goal if someone wants to grow, that is why lifting up from the spine and doing it properly as one full circle could help ,also the principal of steps and hitting I started to apply Yi , everybody knows to step hard and crush when he punching,but he said that in second level there is no sound ,this open the door for so many things for me ,also I understand what is short power from his teachings and most importantly I remember he was quote many proverbs and this helps me a lot,like the absence of Will is a true Will or Dao is not away from the man,the man beginning to act and Dao is going away! Really for me the little things like that open my eyes, starting to get interested in The book of changes and how old Chinese characters in alfabet looks like , little by little things became more clean and I understand how much ignorant I am even when it comes to my own being, know yourself and your enemy 100 wins,but I am not knowing even myself,how could I know my enemy? I am very much sorry for the post, very long , just wanted to share the respect and appreciation for real,I hope you don't mind, thanks for the nice topics- I am learning something new every time!
Great points even for a non practitioner of Xing Yi or Ba Gua; Stepping explanation so valuable for Martial Arts practitioners; Great parallel with the Taoist concept of refining and emptiness! Thank you Master Yang
Perhaps this was not your intention sir, but my take-away from this very cool video reinforced my beliefs as a young man when I first learned of G.Y.S. That belief is: Not even a prison cell can stop a man from developing himself. A 5x5 foot space is plenty room for that man to keep his strength and remain a threat. And chains can't stop the spirit if the heart and the body are aligned.
Thank you for presenting another informative video. Have you lectured on the Daoist Qigong marrow washing, muscle change exercises in the same way you lectured on interpretation of Chinese proverbs?
Excellent information, have really enjoyed your understanding and explanations. Now going back and absorbing previous posts. Thank you for your time and dedication in spreading your unique knowledge of internal arts.
I never looked at the beng chuan half step as anything more than simply a way to bounce power into the hand but I never tried to integrate other elements into it.
a very important point made by SIFU the stepping in XING YI is capable of generating more power and concomitant release of energy through FA JING.. (.this seems very obvious now that SIFU has pointed it out... but I did not deduce it on my own ) ... than BA GUA...BA GUA seems important for evasion and circling around an opponent's blind side ( but that is my deduction ...not SIFU's )
Thank you for another information packed video! You have a video about choosing which internal style(s) to practice. At least regarding xingyi and bagua in my opinion, after watching this video,anyone who practices either of these would benefit greatly from practicing both. Do you agree Hai Yang?
You forgot to mention that Wang Xiangzhai was also his disciple! And that standing practice in Santi Shi was very important in his teaching. That had a big impact on the development of Yi or Dacheng Quan.
the main purpose of this video is to introduce Guo Yunshen, not his students. Also, as for Wang Xiangzhai is Guo's disciple or not is still questionable. So, better to "forget" him in this video.
@@HaiYangChannel You mentioned Sun Lutang as famous disciple and his changes to Xing Yi so I thoght Wang XiangZhai should be also mentioned. I never hearde that there is any doubt that he was also a disciple of Guo Yunshen. He is mentioned everywhere as his disciple. But that standing practise was important in his teaching must be true because Sun Lutang also emphasized it.
I love your stepping method it is different from mine but I really love your fluidity I will send you my variation I hope you can get a chance to review it
Thank you for the wonderful video. CS Tang and Alex Kozma have written about the influence of Song Shi Rong on Sun's style. Are you familiar with this?
Thank you. From what I've read and seen in interviews the Song branch considers their distinguishing difference to be a modification of Xingyi based on the Neijin Si Jing. I'm looking into this and find it interesting.
Actually, Nei Gong Si Jing has been widely applied by all the Xing Yi school since that document provide some fundamental principles of any style of practice.
Hi Master Yang, very good video. You mentioned practitioners from the town where Guo Yunshen lived. Are there videos of these people somewhere on the internet? I’d be curious to have a look! Best Fred
Hello, how did Guo Yunshen add extra power to his woodfist without striking say a punch bag whilst in prison and whilst wearing fetters . Did he just perfect his body mechanics for the half step? I have heard he explained the mechanics were the same as how one would jump over a ditch. Is there any history to explain how he trained in the fetters in prison and how he trained once out of prison? Did static stance training take over due to lack of space in his cell he taught Wang Xiangzhai to standstill . As Wang's main training was static stances for yiquan maybe this is how xingyi evolved. What is your opinion on this?
@@HaiYangChannel ok very interesting. Do you know of any texts or books that talk more about him? the ba gua my teachee learned was in his linage. I have only ever heard his name in a article written by master liu jing ru about 20 years ago. Thank you
@@HaiYangChannel I'm asking because I rea extensively from various sources. They point to the marraige of these three methods. I know studying the whole, increases the few. But as you have so stated, sometimes one does'nt have the time to devote to the whole art. Am I asking for a shortcut, No, just want your honest opinion on practicing the three. Thank you.
Interesting half step story. But Chinese culture has tendency to make up a story for a creative work or giving merit for a famous person. Thanks for the info though
Sure, that tendency is something he calls "Cultural Utopianism" and he actively rebuts it in his videos. Please watch his other videos, especially on Chen Tai Chi debate and also the one on Wudang where he talks about it. But, Guo Yunshen's story mentioned in this video is not Cultural Utopianism. He is a legit part of Xingyi history and you can look at the practice before and after his time to see his contribution.
Very interesting, thank you! It is interesting to hear about Baji as well.
Glad you enjoyed it!
22:20 amazing. I had this exact thought yesterday morning after training in the garden. No 2 body shapes are exactly the same, therefore every martial expression will be different. (I was having an imaginary discussion with people who are too quick to criticise how a certain martial expression looks on the surface - of which there are many who make this complaint.) When one realises this, it can remove some anxiety about 'doing it correctly' when that self criticism is based on replicating the form of a more senior practitioner. Another very informative video Master Yang. Thank you 👊☯️
edit: I recall also i was thinking it is like the same grape variety giving a different flavour/expression to the wine produced depending on where in the world it is grown 👍🏼
Yes, I agree with you. Following the principles is different from copying movement.
Agree!!!
another fascinating lecture on the evolution of xing yi....so a stretch in the pokey was serendipitous in that it led to creation of half-step BENG/WOOD fist...wow ...when life hands lemons make lemonade
"when life hands lemons make lemonade", very interesting!
Hi Sifu Hai Yang,
Appreciate you making these videos for greater exposure to the community.
I've dabbled in xingyiquan and other internal arts for quite a while now and I've come across this term "Orderly in 4 extremities" from xingyi and would seek your thoughts/advice on the matter.
the details are as follows
4 Extremities of Xingyi
"The tongue is the extremity of the muscles; the fingernails and toenails are the extremities of the tendons; the head hair and body hair are the extremity of the blood; the teeth are the extremity of the bones. Touch the tongue to the upper palate to settle the qi so it can descend to Dantian and make the muscles strong.Curve the fingers and toes inward slightly so that qi pours into the nails and tendons. When the hair stands up all over the body, and on the head like pushing up a hat, there is courage and the whole body is strengthened. Gently clamping or touching the teeth together enables qi to flow into the bone marrow"
From my understanding,
The statement refers that a practitioner should adopt a physical posture where every joint starting from the feet exerts constant pressure all the way to the tongue/palate to create a unified posture, and how the physicality of such posture can create an effect on one's mental state where one can feel increased confidence, vitality & health from adopting such posture.
I do have a feeling that my understanding to be limited as I wasn't formerly trained by any master, and would like your inputs on this.
Thank you.
Yes, in Chinese, it is called 四梢, a concept derived from TCM. Your understanding is very good. Thank you for sharing.
Theoretically most of the knowledge I have learned and put it to real use is actually coming from him ,3 powers,3 levels of change out and inward,3 breathing techniques, connection to Dao was very essential to him ,the difference between stillness and growing the root , reading some of his teachings I understood the importance of using the old methods for changing the bones, tendons and especially the final stage of cleaning the back brain which is the real goal if someone wants to grow, that is why lifting up from the spine and doing it properly as one full circle could help ,also the principal of steps and hitting I started to apply Yi , everybody knows to step hard and crush when he punching,but he said that in second level there is no sound ,this open the door for so many things for me ,also I understand what is short power from his teachings and most importantly I remember he was quote many proverbs and this helps me a lot,like the absence of Will is a true Will or Dao is not away from the man,the man beginning to act and Dao
is going away! Really for me the little things like that open my eyes, starting to get interested in The book of changes and how old Chinese characters in alfabet looks like , little by little things became more clean and I understand how much ignorant I am even when it comes to my own being, know yourself and your enemy 100 wins,but I am not knowing even myself,how could I know my enemy? I am very much sorry for the post, very long , just wanted to share the respect and appreciation for real,I hope you don't mind, thanks for the nice topics- I am learning something new every time!
Interesting post, thank you.
thank you, is there any sources from where to find guo yushen writings in english?
Great Video, thank you!
I always enjoy your history videos.
I hope you will also make a video all about Xingyi stepping variations.
That is a specific topic, let me think about it.
I thought this channel was about Daoism, but I still enjoy the videos
Well, partially true. Thanks,
Great points even for a non practitioner of Xing Yi or Ba Gua; Stepping explanation so valuable for Martial Arts practitioners; Great parallel with the Taoist concept of refining and emptiness! Thank you Master Yang
Thank you for your input.
Great series 🙏
Thanks,
Perhaps this was not your intention sir, but my take-away from this very cool video reinforced my beliefs as a young man when I first learned of G.Y.S. That belief is: Not even a prison cell can stop a man from developing himself. A 5x5 foot space is plenty room for that man to keep his strength and remain a threat. And chains can't stop the spirit if the heart and the body are aligned.
Yes, external factors can create an effect through internal factors.
Great discussion - as always.
Thanks,
Thank you for presenting another informative video. Have you lectured on the Daoist Qigong marrow washing, muscle change exercises in the same way you lectured on interpretation of Chinese proverbs?
Not yet. That is about a specific practice, which is not the focus for this series. Thansk
Excellent information, have really enjoyed your understanding and explanations. Now going back and absorbing previous posts.
Thank you for your time and dedication in spreading your unique knowledge of internal arts.
Glad it was helpful!
I never looked at the beng chuan half step as anything more than simply a way to bounce power into the hand but I never tried to integrate other elements into it.
So, give it a try.
@@HaiYangChannel I will and I will let you know how it goes
a very important point made by SIFU the stepping in XING YI is capable of generating more power and concomitant release of energy through FA JING.. (.this seems very obvious now that SIFU has pointed it out... but I did not deduce it on my own ) ... than BA GUA...BA GUA seems important for evasion and circling around an opponent's blind side ( but that is my deduction ...not SIFU's )
thank you for your input.
Thank you for another information packed video!
You have a video about choosing which internal style(s) to practice. At least regarding xingyi and bagua in my opinion, after watching this video,anyone who practices either of these would benefit greatly from practicing both. Do you agree Hai Yang?
I have think about it. Thanks,
@@HaiYangChannel Thank you. I understand. 👍
You forgot to mention that Wang Xiangzhai was also his disciple! And that standing practice in Santi Shi was very important in his teaching. That had a big impact on the development of Yi or Dacheng Quan.
the main purpose of this video is to introduce Guo Yunshen, not his students. Also, as for Wang Xiangzhai is Guo's disciple or not is still questionable. So, better to "forget" him in this video.
@@HaiYangChannel You mentioned Sun Lutang as famous disciple and his changes to Xing Yi so I thoght Wang XiangZhai should be also mentioned. I never hearde that there is any doubt that he was also a disciple of Guo Yunshen. He is mentioned everywhere as his disciple. But that standing practise was important in his teaching must be true because Sun Lutang also emphasized it.
Thank you for this video !!!
You are so welcome!
Valiosísima Información, ahora tengo un mejor entendimiento de Beng chuan y puedo potenciarlo !!Muchas Gracias !!!!
You are very welcome.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
thanks,
I love your stepping method it is different from mine but I really love your fluidity I will send you my variation I hope you can get a chance to review it
I sent a video to your website inbox thank you
I will check it out tomorrow. Thanks,
Thank you for the wonderful video. CS Tang and Alex Kozma have written about the influence of Song Shi Rong on Sun's style. Are you familiar with this?
Song was the second generation of Xing Yi, of course later generations got influenced by him. Sun was not an exception to this aspect at all.
Thank you. From what I've read and seen in interviews the Song branch considers their distinguishing difference to be a modification of Xingyi based on the Neijin Si Jing. I'm looking into this and find it interesting.
Actually, Nei Gong Si Jing has been widely applied by all the Xing Yi school since that document provide some fundamental principles of any style of practice.
@@HaiYangChannel thank you for the clarifications. I appreciate everything you've been making lately.
郭老師、宋世栄老師(山西省 大谷県) 十二形心意把拳
Yes.
Hi Master Yang, very good video. You mentioned practitioners from the town where Guo Yunshen lived. Are there videos of these people somewhere on the internet? I’d be curious to have a look!
Best
Fred
Hello Fred, yes, I will find some video clips in the future. thanks
Hello thank you for your video and can you make a video for the founder of bagua zhang. Thank you and happy training.
I have a video in my channel talking about it. Please check it out.
Hello, how did Guo Yunshen add extra power to his woodfist without striking say a punch bag whilst in prison and whilst wearing fetters .
Did he just perfect his body mechanics for the half step?
I have heard he explained the mechanics were the same as how one would jump over a ditch.
Is there any history to explain how he trained in the fetters in prison and how he trained once out of prison?
Did static stance training take over due to lack of space in his cell he taught Wang Xiangzhai to standstill .
As Wang's main training was static stances for yiquan maybe this is how xingyi evolved.
What is your opinion on this?
I will find a chance to answer these questions for you.
@@HaiYangChannel Thank you . I look forward to reading you answers.
Are you familar with one of cheng ting huas students zhang yung de?was nicknamed "boots" zhang because he fixed shoes
Yes, a big name in cheng style.
@@HaiYangChannel ok very interesting. Do you know of any texts or books that talk more about him? the ba gua my teachee learned was in his linage. I have only ever heard his name in a article written by master liu jing ru about 20 years ago. Thank you
Thank you, Sir! This was informative as usual. Are you fluent i. French , by the way?
My French is very poor even though I live in Quebec.
Should people practice San Ti, Pi Quan and Beng Quan to develop internal power?
Sure
@@HaiYangChannel I'm asking because I rea extensively from various sources. They point to the marraige of these three methods. I know studying the whole, increases the few. But as you have so stated, sometimes one does'nt have the time to devote to the whole art. Am I asking for a shortcut, No, just want your honest opinion on practicing the three. Thank you.
Interesting half step story. But Chinese culture has tendency to make up a story for a creative work or giving merit for a famous person.
Thanks for the info though
Sure, that tendency is something he calls "Cultural Utopianism" and he actively rebuts it in his videos. Please watch his other videos, especially on Chen Tai Chi debate and also the one on Wudang where he talks about it. But, Guo Yunshen's story mentioned in this video is not Cultural Utopianism. He is a legit part of Xingyi history and you can look at the practice before and after his time to see his contribution.
I think all the cultures have the same tendency. So, being able to distinguish the core concept from the smog is important.