I've recently noticed an influx of fantastic four interest from the general public and see this makes me so happy. Its like when people actually engage with the source material they start to realize "oh these guys are actually cool" or "now i get it"
I'm just gonna hope the newly-interested people decide to check out the current run. It's absolutely fantastic and could make a fan out of anyone. The stories are all interesting in unique ways, the characters are all deeply loveable, and the art is great (especially the covers, just gorgeous), and it absolutely nails the positive and friendly vibe that the FF are supposed to have. I adore it.
As a result of a book I worked on about his art, I got to meet Jack Kirby at his house. He told me a few choice nuggets, such as: Ben Grimm/The Thing was always Jack's avatar in the Marvel universe. The Yancy Street Gang was based on the one Jack himself was in as a kid. So to symbolically atone for his behavior by having The Thing endure their torment. He also told me that it was a good thing for Stan Lee that Jack had become a pacifist, or he'd have kicked Stan's ass on a regular basis.
@@TitularHeroine He laughed when he said it, so it was meant in good nature, at least at the time. Jack was known to be a fighter and Stan was known to be a pain in the ass, so who really knows...😉
FINALLY some recognition for Unstable Molecules, I swear there's hardly anything about it on the internet these days, which is such a shame, there's a LOT to dive into there. It actually won the Eisner for best limited series in 2004, Marvel hardly ever gets that kind of prestige these days. I love that book so much, it is extremely bleak but I similarly viewed it as an "indie film" type of take on the characters when I read it just over a yearish ago. In my mind I likened it to an Alexander Payne movie, but Jim Jarmusch is also apt. The fake supplemental material parts are so neat and well done, and adds this whole meta layer to what could honestly just be a standalone book from Image completely divorced from the F4. It's got enough attention to detail as a period piece to function that way, but the layering of the F4 on top of the period piece elements, and the subversion of expectations/character dynamics from the F4, adds another rich layer to the book. The final monologue from Reed in particular really struck me emotionally and stuck with me for a good long while. It's just remarkable and I wish Marvel were more willing to publish works like it again. F4: Life Story, which I think is underrated, has a somewhat similar bleak tone, with obviously superheroics and more recognizable elements from 616, but it's not the same.
Aside from the occasional Ennis piece, Marvel sees very little in a lot of theses ideas now a days. That’s not to say there isn’t high quality comics but almost all marvel comics ( I think all at the moment ) fall into the superhero category and don’t really want to see the value of these characters in non superhero context. It’s something DC does alot better
My single favorite comic book channel. Love your delivery and the emphasis you put on the ART. A crime you don't have more subscribers but it's just a matter of time.
Wow! Talking about turning a turd into lemonade… the impetus for this video was the recent “what if micky/FF” comic… and you still created a great review of other (and potentially better) weird Fantastic Four stories. You, good sir, are simply a genius, thank you!!!
For what i understand, Stan Lee had no problem with making fun of himself, so i don't think he would have cared about what if making fun of himself, though Kirby probably wanted to be careful due to the fact he had already lost his job at DC and didn't want to cause problems due to not wanting to lose his job again, which is something he was known to be worried about when he re entered Marvel. On Unstable Molecules, i think the concept of using superhero characters as if they were real life people at the time they were created is an an interesting concept, but the problem is that they mainly used it for creating a really depressive story without much of a point.
"Super heroes but they're real people!" "They all hate each other, one of them is a racist/homophobe, the writer really hates one of them and writes them like a mean spirited parody, and the female member is treated like trash, and at some point gets a venereal disease for no reason"
Uh, hate to disagree with you, but I actually enjoyed Marvel Knights 4 by writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacas , which ran for 30 issues, not 14. I found the premise of the team being taken out of their element, and forced to work real jobs very interesting, and humanizing. I understand it might not have been popular, but to say NO ONE likes it might be a little bold.
Yeah i think that Mcniven art had a lot to do with the “4” series making it to 14 issues. I believe it was his follow up to civil war which made a lot of folks fall in love with his style
I don't think so, at least not exactly. 4 was published beginning in 2004, and the first Civil War storyline began in 2007. So yes, people loved McNiven's art, but for other reasons. They hadn't yet seen it in Civil War.
@@StrangeBrainParts Oh so that's why I didn't found it, thanks. Wild at Heart was already on my watch list from another David Lynch. Nicolas Cage make me want to by a snakeskin jacket eventhough it would probably look very kitsch.
Ultimate FF was actually the partial basis for the other FF movies too. The book injected Doom into the origin, after all. And so did the movies. It's just that the 2015 film also borrowed the element of experimentation, rather than space flight, as the cause of their transformations. Rise of the Silver Surfer, though, borrowed from the Ultimate universe the idea of Galactus manifesting from a distance as a giant cosmic cloud. So both versions stole equally. I have long suspected that Marvel used the Ultimate line as a vehicle for experimentation. Elements they played with have been appearing ever since in various ways. The Avengers EMH cartoon had them, and so did the Avengers in the MCU. Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury was such a popular idea that Marvel soon found a reason for black Nick Fury to take over as the leader of SHIELD before Jackson ever appeared in the MCU. And when the Ultimate line was pretty much done, what did Marvel do? They killed off Ultimate Spidey and vilified Ult. Reed, also doing away with UFF and UXM. In short, they dismantled the experiment. I confess, I do love the idea of Jackson as Fury. But it just doesn't seem right cast the old Howler aside that way. Still, I care a lot less about that than I do about Marv being killed to make a statement about cancer. And the main reason I still care about that is that it means the best Captain Marvel story of all time- Marv vs. cosmic cube-powered Thanos- will remain unknown to most MCU fans. Doesn't really matter, though. No movie could ever convey how Starlin's art brought the experience to life, anyway. So why even care?
I do remember the quote for Morrison's 1 2 3 4 take is that Sue was attracted to Namor because he is the elemental opposite of Johnny which is the secret desire. Like you, I think this is Morrison going for shock value when the Jemas era was all about shock value for marketing. The only possible nugget of truth that theory might be based on, is that back in the Kirby/Lee run the first Puppet Master story has the Puppet Master send his daughter Alicia disguised as Sue through the aid of a mere blond wig, to the Baxter building . When she is apprehended, Ben thinks about how uncanny her resemblance to Sue is other than the wig. Later on, of course, Ben and Alicia fall in love, but in John Byrne's run she breaks up with him to marry Johnny instead, so the implication is that Johnny is attracted to someone with a close physical resemblance to his sister. Interestingly by that line of logic, the implication early on is that Ben might have been secretly attracted to Sue, but that never developed that I know. Anyways, I only thought about this because the Morrison quote seemed so out of nowhere that I would never have made the connection except I read the Kirby/Lee run after that quote, and would never have thought about the implications otherwise.
Don't forget the Marvel Zombies FF, where Reed exposed the team to the zombie virus, just to prove a point. I've never looked at Reed the same way since...
You do know it's an elseworld story, right? And being an elseworld story, that means the writer/s can do whatever they want. Classic, consistent, characterization be damned. Good writing is also optional. That's like looking at Injustice's Wonder Woman and thinking, for whatever reason, that mainline Wonder Woman would also act like that. Even though, clearly, she wouldn't. At least in the hands of good writers, she wouldn't.
1-2-3-4 is one of my favorite FF comics. I've never noticed any kind of attraction between Sue and Johnny in that story. I would genuinely like to know where yu can even find that in the story.
I suppose it doesn't quite match up to what this video was about, but I liked the U-Foes in Hulk #254. Another foursome decide to expose themselves to more cosmic rays than Reed & Co. did to gain even greater powers than the Fantastic Four, and come into conflict with the Hulk when Bruce Banners tries to save them. It was just a one-issue story where they seemed to die at the end, but apparently they brought the U-Foes back later, which I found out when trying to find their origin story.
Actually I recently picked up What If? #11 probably the only What If issue I own/kept in my collection. Not that I don't like the series, just that was the most meaningful to me. Nice to see it featured 🔥
I kind of like the awkward ending. If you hadn't explained it, and just rolled credits and ended it, it would have left an air (error, maybe) of tension.
Thank you for this,I bought this as a kid but didn't understand what they were going for.Now I do and I like the fact Kirby came up with,and pulled it off.
@@wayn0r I admit the musical episodes are painful to get through, but somewhere between "Archie Survives Off-Screen Bear Attack" and "Cult Leader Attempts to Evade the FBI With Wile E. Coyote Cartoon Style Rocket Ship" you realize you're seeing the absolute peak of what television can do.
Pretty sure the Morrison line comes from an online interview most likely Newsarama but unfortunately none of that stuff is findable now. It was definitely exaggeration (they were going for an eerie subtextual take) but 1234 still rules.
This is cool -- timely, interesting, and recommendations for varying tastes. If that weird innuendo in FF: 1234 is coming from villains making sketchy inferences, as you say, then I might still dig the book. They are still villains, and twisted, after all. I forgot that book was even a thing. Thank you!
When Franklin was growing up Sue and Red moved to the suburbs so he would have a more 'normal' life. And there was a story where they get captured by Dr. Doom and put in a machine to transfer their minds into tiny miniature robots and live their life's without powers and no knowledge of their heroic lives. So I know they are very different but the Unstable Molecules and F4 Suburbia were already done by John Byrne - in a way. And btw I looooved the John Byrne run on F4!! It was arguably the very best F4 ever! Oh and he changed their costumes from light blue to dark blue and it remained like that to this day (a few changes here and there but they would come back to the dark blue ones or some variation of it) I got curious about the Disney one though. Looks like fun as in 'don't take it seriously' fun. The video doesn't say, what was wrong with it..?
It's a shame you didn't think to end this with the backup two-pager from What If? Vol. 2 #41 (1992): David Cullen's "What If the Fantastic Four Was Led By Keith Richards Instead of Reed Richards?" By the way, the earliest "What If?" tales I've found from Marvel were in Spoof #3-5 in 1973. Inc. Steve Gerber's "What if celebrities became Santa Claus?" from #4 feat. Spiro Agnew, Flip Wilson and John & Yoko...
A great look at alt versions Marvel's First Family! Some of these I'd never seen before, and now can't un-see, so thanks for that! LOL My favorite mainstream version of the characters is a nostalgic and sentimental one: When I was six, I watched re-runs of the Hanna-Barbara cartoon series from the '60s. It may look goofy and primitive by today's standards, but it was a lot of fun!
The early FF run is probably my favorite run of any comic. This new movie has already missed the mark and ruined another movie opportunity to do it right 👎
I'm currently reading Fantastic Four. As of this moment I'm on issue 78 Edit: you're telling me the guy that wrote Riverdale wrote Afterlife with Archie? And he dumped it for Riverdale?
@paulakroy2635 marvel is going to be pulling story lines out of there. Intergalactic inhumans, the Defenders from the future, the Atlantians. Stuff he just touched the tip of the iceberg on.
I feel Fantastic Four in suburbia can work okay as a concept with a lot more overhauling. I'm personally enjoying Rocketfellers, though I know you're not the biggest fan of Ghost Machine, it is essentially the same idea.
I sorta LIKE Marvel Knight's Fantastic Four by Aguirre-Sacasa. But it just wasn't as good as Waid, Weiringo, and even the Wait and Kesel's co-written stint.
Its a bit odd being wierdly hateful, riverdale and some of those other shows were some of the most popular shows on television. People genuinely loved them and very sucessful.
If his opinion had been full of nothing but hate, he wouldn't have taken the time to praise some of the writer's comic book work. I don't find anything "odd" about the creator of the video having a strong opinion and expressing it, regardless of how many people disagree.
1234, Unstable Molecules, Fantastic Four Life Story and Tom Scioli's Fantastic Four are in my eyes the worst FF stories next to Byrne's Malice arc. The rest of their stories vary from wacky to really fantastic
Maybe not by Marvel, but there's plenty of lurid stuff like that in the world of indie, underground, and outlaw comics. Divining the state of an entire medium based only on the output of general audience corporate art feels short-sighted.
You’re saying you didn’t even bother reading Morrison’s book just due to an unsavory rumor you couldn’t even confirm? Man, I thought you were more thorough in your research. Let me tell you, I just reread FF 1234 and there isn’t the smallest whif of incest in it. And it’s quite good (it starts annoyingly bad, but it’s for a reason). Please read it, I’d love to know your opinion.
Oh, I've read FF 1234. I don't think I said I hadn't, but I can see how one can come to that conclusion. However, I hadn't read it specifically to see if those unsavoury elements were present. Furthermore (and this was kind of the point) I couldn't confirm the quote.
That unstable molecules one does, indeed, sound very icky. I've never been a fan of the Fantastic Four, but that one would not help. However, it also means I was only disappointed by the movies because they were borning, and poorly written, instead of any crappy handling of characters I care about.
Lol that's a modern appearance tainted view. He spent the last bit of his life appearing as the fun grandfather to the marvel universe, but read up about his career and business practices before he was sanitized.
I laughed my ass off at the Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa diss for his TV writing. LOL!! But I did like Unstable Molecules -- I read it as bleak, but not depressing. I hope you do a piece on the best FF takes including the original (of course) the classic Byrne run, and the terrific Waid/Wieringo run (which I can't seem to talk about with some people because of a terrible thing Doom did that they look at as an attack on women rather than a despicable man committing a despicable act)
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I've recently noticed an influx of fantastic four interest from the general public and see this makes me so happy. Its like when people actually engage with the source material they start to realize "oh these guys are actually cool" or "now i get it"
Cuz of Marvel Rivals which is great
@Comicbroe405 that is very much the case.
I'm just gonna hope the newly-interested people decide to check out the current run. It's absolutely fantastic and could make a fan out of anyone.
The stories are all interesting in unique ways, the characters are all deeply loveable, and the art is great (especially the covers, just gorgeous), and it absolutely nails the positive and friendly vibe that the FF are supposed to have. I adore it.
@@Comicbroe405This plus the new movie coming out definitely did it. Love to see it 🙏🏾
@@jamilfrost6217 marvel rivals been doing a better job at getting people invested into these characters then the MCU imo
As a result of a book I worked on about his art, I got to meet Jack Kirby at his house. He told me a few choice nuggets, such as:
Ben Grimm/The Thing was always Jack's avatar in the Marvel universe. The Yancy Street Gang was based on the one Jack himself was in as a kid. So to symbolically atone for his behavior by having The Thing endure their torment.
He also told me that it was a good thing for Stan Lee that Jack had become a pacifist, or he'd have kicked Stan's ass on a regular basis.
Your last paragraph made me chuckle. I feel kinda bad about myself now.... :D
@@TitularHeroine He laughed when he said it, so it was meant in good nature, at least at the time. Jack was known to be a fighter and Stan was known to be a pain in the ass, so who really knows...😉
Cool 😎
Whatever the reasoning was, you gotta admit that ghost rider, spidey, wolverine, and hulk wrecking stuff up is a fun idea.
You are the only other person in the world besides me I've seen talk about Unstable Molecules, it's a pretty interesting take!
Omg the old theme
It's so cozy
glad to hear it again. although i always wanted to know if there is an extended version.
FINALLY some recognition for Unstable Molecules, I swear there's hardly anything about it on the internet these days, which is such a shame, there's a LOT to dive into there. It actually won the Eisner for best limited series in 2004, Marvel hardly ever gets that kind of prestige these days. I love that book so much, it is extremely bleak but I similarly viewed it as an "indie film" type of take on the characters when I read it just over a yearish ago. In my mind I likened it to an Alexander Payne movie, but Jim Jarmusch is also apt. The fake supplemental material parts are so neat and well done, and adds this whole meta layer to what could honestly just be a standalone book from Image completely divorced from the F4. It's got enough attention to detail as a period piece to function that way, but the layering of the F4 on top of the period piece elements, and the subversion of expectations/character dynamics from the F4, adds another rich layer to the book. The final monologue from Reed in particular really struck me emotionally and stuck with me for a good long while. It's just remarkable and I wish Marvel were more willing to publish works like it again. F4: Life Story, which I think is underrated, has a somewhat similar bleak tone, with obviously superheroics and more recognizable elements from 616, but it's not the same.
Allan's review in the video, and your comment here, have convinced me to read it. Thanks!
I loved that miniseries when it came out. I might have to dig it out and reread it now! 👍🏼💙👍🏼
Unstable molecules isn't rally my thing but i love that it exists, and you're right that the book wouldn't be made nowadays
Aside from the occasional Ennis piece, Marvel sees very little in a lot of theses ideas now a days. That’s not to say there isn’t high quality comics but almost all marvel comics ( I think all at the moment ) fall into the superhero category and don’t really want to see the value of these characters in non superhero context. It’s something DC does alot better
I was there for Guy Davis on artwork!
The greatest theme song is back. Excellent. Very good. Well done.
My single favorite comic book channel. Love your delivery and the emphasis you put on the ART. A crime you don't have more subscribers but it's just a matter of time.
Peter David's new fantastic four mini brought back the Spider-Man team. It was pretty fun.
The man so needs to create and market his own stuff and get away from the corporations.
They were in What If...? 78 as well, and there was an Iron Man version of the same team in the What If? Newer Fantastic Four one-shot
Wow! Talking about turning a turd into lemonade… the impetus for this video was the recent “what if micky/FF” comic… and you still created a great review of other (and potentially better) weird Fantastic Four stories. You, good sir, are simply a genius, thank you!!!
For what i understand, Stan Lee had no problem with making fun of himself, so i don't think he would have cared about what if making fun of himself, though Kirby probably wanted to be careful due to the fact he had already lost his job at DC and didn't want to cause problems due to not wanting to lose his job again, which is something he was known to be worried about when he re entered Marvel.
On Unstable Molecules, i think the concept of using superhero characters as if they were real life people at the time they were created is an an interesting concept, but the problem is that they mainly used it for creating a really depressive story without much of a point.
"Super heroes but they're real people!"
"They all hate each other, one of them is a racist/homophobe, the writer really hates one of them and writes them like a mean spirited parody, and the female member is treated like trash, and at some point gets a venereal disease for no reason"
Uh, hate to disagree with you, but I actually enjoyed Marvel Knights 4 by writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacas , which ran for 30 issues, not 14. I found the premise of the team being taken out of their element, and forced to work real jobs very interesting, and humanizing. I understand it might not have been popular, but to say NO ONE likes it might be a little bold.
Don't hate it, embrace it. Good job.
I never picked up on any incestuous subtext in Morrison's "Fantastic Four: 1234," mini-series. How weird.
Yeah i think that Mcniven art had a lot to do with the “4” series making it to 14 issues. I believe it was his follow up to civil war which made a lot of folks fall in love with his style
I don't think so, at least not exactly. 4 was published beginning in 2004, and the first Civil War storyline began in 2007. So yes, people loved McNiven's art, but for other reasons. They hadn't yet seen it in Civil War.
12:24 I did not know that David Lynch quote but now I'll remember it.
It's what Laura Dern says in the movie Wild At Heart. :)
@@StrangeBrainParts Oh so that's why I didn't found it, thanks. Wild at Heart was already on my watch list from another David Lynch. Nicolas Cage make me want to by a snakeskin jacket eventhough it would probably look very kitsch.
Another great video! I'm a very minor patron, but appreciate all your work greatly
There's no such thing as a minor patron. Thank you very much!
Ultimate FF was actually the partial basis for the other FF movies too. The book injected Doom into the origin, after all. And so did the movies. It's just that the 2015 film also borrowed the element of experimentation, rather than space flight, as the cause of their transformations. Rise of the Silver Surfer, though, borrowed from the Ultimate universe the idea of Galactus manifesting from a distance as a giant cosmic cloud. So both versions stole equally.
I have long suspected that Marvel used the Ultimate line as a vehicle for experimentation. Elements they played with have been appearing ever since in various ways. The Avengers EMH cartoon had them, and so did the Avengers in the MCU. Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury was such a popular idea that Marvel soon found a reason for black Nick Fury to take over as the leader of SHIELD before Jackson ever appeared in the MCU. And when the Ultimate line was pretty much done, what did Marvel do? They killed off Ultimate Spidey and vilified Ult. Reed, also doing away with UFF and UXM. In short, they dismantled the experiment.
I confess, I do love the idea of Jackson as Fury. But it just doesn't seem right cast the old Howler aside that way. Still, I care a lot less about that than I do about Marv being killed to make a statement about cancer. And the main reason I still care about that is that it means the best Captain Marvel story of all time- Marv vs. cosmic cube-powered Thanos- will remain unknown to most MCU fans.
Doesn't really matter, though. No movie could ever convey how Starlin's art brought the experience to life, anyway. So why even care?
Nice little David Lynch memorial at the end.
Planetary has got the best Fantastic Four version I've read.
I think Grand Design and/or Full Circle would have also been good entries into this video! Love the content as always!
I do remember the quote for Morrison's 1 2 3 4 take is that Sue was attracted to Namor because he is the elemental opposite of Johnny which is the secret desire.
Like you, I think this is Morrison going for shock value when the Jemas era was all about shock value for marketing.
The only possible nugget of truth that theory might be based on, is that back in the Kirby/Lee run the first Puppet Master story has the Puppet Master send his daughter Alicia disguised as Sue through the aid of a mere blond wig, to the Baxter building .
When she is apprehended, Ben thinks about how uncanny her resemblance to Sue is other than the wig.
Later on, of course, Ben and Alicia fall in love, but in John Byrne's run she breaks up with him to marry Johnny instead, so the implication is that Johnny is attracted to someone with a close physical resemblance to his sister.
Interestingly by that line of logic, the implication early on is that Ben might have been secretly attracted to Sue, but that never developed that I know.
Anyways, I only thought about this because the Morrison quote seemed so out of nowhere that I would never have made the connection except I read the Kirby/Lee run after that quote, and would never have thought about the implications otherwise.
I always thought Ben was attracted to Sue, but reasonable enough to drop it once she showed attraction to Reed.
Ben being into Sue pops up here and there, but never as a major plot point
I love the idea of The FF trying to fit in suburbia. Like The Incredibles
Interesting as always
Their Planetary version could also be explored
Because they’re actually interesting?
"So... Thanks for that, Marvel and Disney!"
Don't forget the Marvel Zombies FF, where Reed exposed the team to the zombie virus, just to prove a point. I've never looked at Reed the same way since...
You do know it's an elseworld story, right? And being an elseworld story, that means the writer/s can do whatever they want. Classic, consistent, characterization be damned. Good writing is also optional.
That's like looking at Injustice's Wonder Woman and thinking, for whatever reason, that mainline Wonder Woman would also act like that. Even though, clearly, she wouldn't. At least in the hands of good writers, she wouldn't.
The Four from Planetary are more interesting than any of these official versions.
Good luck with the coming year! Looking forward to your videos
1-2-3-4 is one of my favorite FF comics. I've never noticed any kind of attraction between Sue and Johnny in that story. I would genuinely like to know where yu can even find that in the story.
I suppose it doesn't quite match up to what this video was about, but I liked the U-Foes in Hulk #254. Another foursome decide to expose themselves to more cosmic rays than Reed & Co. did to gain even greater powers than the Fantastic Four, and come into conflict with the Hulk when Bruce Banners tries to save them. It was just a one-issue story where they seemed to die at the end, but apparently they brought the U-Foes back later, which I found out when trying to find their origin story.
I've always thought the U-Foes were really cool. Great team & nemesis concept.
@@TitularHeroine I could never get past the name, which is how hillbillies pronounce "UFOs"...
Actually I recently picked up What If? #11 probably the only What If issue I own/kept in my collection. Not that I don't like the series, just that was the most meaningful to me. Nice to see it featured 🔥
Does anybody else miss the robotic voice intro?
I kind of like the awkward ending. If you hadn't explained it, and just rolled credits and ended it, it would have left an air (error, maybe) of tension.
Great video. Very informative
Morrison 100% made the statement. He later said it was to do exactly what you said, as clarified in a later interview.
Thank you for this,I bought this as a kid but didn't understand what they were going for.Now I do and I like the fact Kirby came up with,and pulled it off.
If you can't have a great time watching Riverdale, I don't know what to tell you. Absolutely the most buck wild narrative work I've ever seen.
Yeah, I could have done without that part. Seemed a little… self unaware.
@@wayn0r I admit the musical episodes are painful to get through, but somewhere between "Archie Survives Off-Screen Bear Attack" and "Cult Leader Attempts to Evade the FBI With Wile E. Coyote Cartoon Style Rocket Ship" you realize you're seeing the absolute peak of what television can do.
And i thought the bruce wayne x barbera romance was cringe
I liked Fantastic Four Life Story and Pixar's The Incredibles as the best versions of FF
As always, great video!
The Steve Ditko of comic UA-cam returns with another banger!
Pretty sure the Morrison line comes from an online interview most likely Newsarama but unfortunately none of that stuff is findable now. It was definitely exaggeration (they were going for an eerie subtextual take) but 1234 still rules.
I live for your super dry humor
I think of all of these, of which I've read none, the only one of interest to me is Unstable Molecules.
This is cool -- timely, interesting, and recommendations for varying tastes.
If that weird innuendo in FF: 1234 is coming from villains making sketchy inferences, as you say, then I might still dig the book. They are still villains, and twisted, after all. I forgot that book was even a thing. Thank you!
I kinda want the Mickey Mouse / F4 review now
Amazing as always. Cheers
When Franklin was growing up Sue and Red moved to the suburbs so he would have a more 'normal' life.
And there was a story where they get captured by Dr. Doom and put in a machine to transfer their minds into tiny miniature robots and live their life's without powers and no knowledge of their heroic lives.
So I know they are very different but the Unstable Molecules and F4 Suburbia were already done by John Byrne - in a way.
And btw I looooved the John Byrne run on F4!!
It was arguably the very best F4 ever!
Oh and he changed their costumes from light blue to dark blue and it remained like that to this day (a few changes here and there but they would come back to the dark blue ones or some variation of it)
I got curious about the Disney one though. Looks like fun as in 'don't take it seriously' fun. The video doesn't say, what was wrong with it..?
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's Four lasted for 30 issues.
Loved it
Great video. I wonder what you thought of Fantastic Four: Life Story and Fantastic Four: Grand Design.
Grand Design! That's the one I get mixed up with Unstable Molecules! I couldn't think of the name!
I didn't think there was a darker version of the Fantastic 4 besides the Ultimates.
This makes me happy
I thought this was going to be a video of bad Fantastic Four hot takes lol
You missed the most bizarre of them all:
Mangaverse's Fantastic Four.
It's a shame you didn't think to end this with the backup two-pager from What If? Vol. 2 #41 (1992):
David Cullen's "What If the Fantastic Four Was Led By Keith Richards Instead of Reed Richards?"
By the way, the earliest "What If?" tales I've found from Marvel were in Spoof #3-5 in 1973.
Inc. Steve Gerber's "What if celebrities became Santa Claus?" from #4 feat. Spiro Agnew, Flip Wilson and John & Yoko...
Keith Richards the guitarist? Yeah, I’m gonna read that right now. Love the Stones.
I love your content 😊
Keep them coming! Hope you are okay
What's funny is this video being uploaded a couple days after I finished reading the Jack Kirby era of the Fantastic Four
A great look at alt versions Marvel's First Family! Some of these I'd never seen before, and now can't un-see, so thanks for that! LOL My favorite mainstream version of the characters is a nostalgic and sentimental one: When I was six, I watched re-runs of the Hanna-Barbara cartoon series from the '60s. It may look goofy and primitive by today's standards, but it was a lot of fun!
Aguierre-Sacasa's Women of Spider-Man three part arc was fantastic.
Goat uploaded again
Appreciate the intro song return!
Please never change your intro sound
The early FF run is probably my favorite run of any comic. This new movie has already missed the mark and ruined another movie opportunity to do it right 👎
I don’t see what’s wrong with a Mickey Mouse comic for children featuring them as the Fantastic Four?
Love the What If... ? versions of the Fantastic Four.
I'm currently reading Fantastic Four. As of this moment I'm on issue 78
Edit: you're telling me the guy that wrote Riverdale wrote Afterlife with Archie? And he dumped it for Riverdale?
That's so unfortunate. I was loving that comic.
I am going to check out at least 3 of these. The one with Guy Davis art for sure.
The way you say Skrulls makes it sound like squirrel.
Still, great video.
The Hickman run is sooo underated. It will be mined for years for stories.
Underrated underrated dawg
@paulakroy2635 marvel is going to be pulling story lines out of there. Intergalactic inhumans, the Defenders from the future, the Atlantians. Stuff he just touched the tip of the iceberg on.
I feel Fantastic Four in suburbia can work okay as a concept with a lot more overhauling. I'm personally enjoying Rocketfellers, though I know you're not the biggest fan of Ghost Machine, it is essentially the same idea.
Good video 👍
In Sabrina's defence, it got good towards the end and Kiernan Shipka was great in the role.
The rest is...a fair critique 😂
THE THEME SONG IS BACK!!!
I sorta LIKE Marvel Knight's Fantastic Four by Aguirre-Sacasa. But it just wasn't as good as Waid, Weiringo, and even the Wait and Kesel's co-written stint.
Good lord, Unstable Molecules sounds dreadful, there's nothing worse than a comic that thinks real just means utter misery
I love them they are the best
Its a bit odd being wierdly hateful, riverdale and some of those other shows were some of the most popular shows on television. People genuinely loved them and very sucessful.
If his opinion had been full of nothing but hate, he wouldn't have taken the time to praise some of the writer's comic book work. I don't find anything "odd" about the creator of the video having a strong opinion and expressing it, regardless of how many people disagree.
Surprised you mentioned the Mickey book and not the bootleg soft sequel to the Lee Kirby run also made by an Italian comic author back in the 90’s
1234, Unstable Molecules, Fantastic Four Life Story and Tom Scioli's Fantastic Four are in my eyes the worst FF stories next to Byrne's Malice arc. The rest of their stories vary from wacky to really fantastic
Those Rawhide Kid covers are wild. They wouldn't be published today and i think that's a shame
Maybe not by Marvel, but there's plenty of lurid stuff like that in the world of indie, underground, and outlaw comics.
Divining the state of an entire medium based only on the output of general audience corporate art feels short-sighted.
@@DinosaurKing I meant Marvel wouldn't publish those covers todays and i think THAT'S a shame
Yeah.. RAS should go back to finish the comic books that he started..
yes FANTASTIC FOUR!!!
Jack n Stan then Byrne. Thats it.❤❤❤❤❤
Fantastiic!
You’re saying you didn’t even bother reading Morrison’s book just due to an unsavory rumor you couldn’t even confirm? Man, I thought you were more thorough in your research. Let me tell you, I just reread FF 1234 and there isn’t the smallest whif of incest in it. And it’s quite good (it starts annoyingly bad, but it’s for a reason). Please read it, I’d love to know your opinion.
Oh, I've read FF 1234. I don't think I said I hadn't, but I can see how one can come to that conclusion. However, I hadn't read it specifically to see if those unsavoury elements were present. Furthermore (and this was kind of the point) I couldn't confirm the quote.
That unstable molecules one does, indeed, sound very icky. I've never been a fan of the Fantastic Four, but that one would not help. However, it also means I was only disappointed by the movies because they were borning, and poorly written, instead of any crappy handling of characters I care about.
Riverdale is a masterpiece.
If I watch this video and it's Twitter opinions i swear
EDIT: bizarre *iterations* on the fantastic four, got it
):(- D
Why would Stan Lee get offended. He was constantly poking fun at himself.
Lol that's a modern appearance tainted view. He spent the last bit of his life appearing as the fun grandfather to the marvel universe, but read up about his career and business practices before he was sanitized.
No mention of the "edgy" "Fantastic Three," where Sue shows cleavage and Ben becomes Bane? This needs a part two.
Also: I love seeing my name in the credits.
I laughed my ass off at the Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa diss for his TV writing. LOL!!
But I did like Unstable Molecules -- I read it as bleak, but not depressing. I hope you do a piece on the best FF takes including the original (of course) the classic Byrne run, and the terrific Waid/Wieringo run (which I can't seem to talk about with some people because of a terrible thing Doom did that they look at as an attack on women rather than a despicable man committing a despicable act)