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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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I have no idea why this channel doesn't have more subscribers, you include us in everything you do and explain your work so well. I think it's a shame that so many "fluff" channels with nothing more than narcissistic content are rewarded with millions of subscribers, and fun informative channels like yours are not. But, that's just my opinion... at any rate I really enjoy watching you configure your boat for future cruising and thank you for your efforts to include us in the process. Fair winds and following seas.
I agree. I will never have a wooden boat or travel around the islands but I get a kick out of living vicariously through Peter.
Good man yourself, Peter,
Grafting with your heater,
To get your water warm,
You’re in the best of form,
And now it’s good and hot,
What a shower you have got !
The systems alone on this boat will draw much envy from other boat owners ! Truly professional from the engine , tanks , electrical , plumbing , instrumentation , and everything else that has yet to come . Great job Peter !!!!
We have a simple valve set up that connects our hot water and our hydronic espar system. When the engine is running, the valves are set to 'engine' and it will heat the hot water tank. When the engine is off and we want hot water, I switch the valves over to 'espar' and now the espar system heats the hot water tank. :)
Nothing better than a hot shower after a day of cruising or frolicking around in a boat all day.
Marylan Monroe said it best some like hot but she wasn't a liveaboard cruiser. Nothing beats a hot shower after a day of cruising or crawling around a bilge. A hot shower is also great for those emergency situations, both diy and man overboard.
My friend as usual if it's complicated it your happiness. Anything that is complicated depends on how you can make.. Love your total attention to detail in all your projects. My career in motor yachts as Captain spans 35 years. Thank goodness always in water climates. Again love your making simple more complicated fool proof always
Peter, again you make the complex look simple. Hot solution to a cool problem!
Oooh...look at the Fancy Shamancy Canadians...Heating already Hot Water... ;)
When you install the webasto, use the elctrical wire connected to the ignition (you use now to power the temporary pump) to power an electrical valve to disconnect the engine heat exchanger from the webasto circuit and to open it again when the ignition is on. This stops heat loss in the exchanger when it is not in use ( I am working on an exactly similar project :)
Thanks for the bonus video! Once you install the Webasto, you might see some unintentional heating of the engine thru reverse coolant flow. Since your "primary" heat exchange is lower than the engine, when the water on the engine sides gets hot it will rise and pull cold water in from the engine heat exchanger, starting a reverse coolant flow. If it is bad enough you could put in a check valve to prevent the reverse flow. Might not be too bad, just something to look for. once you get it up and running.
I was thinking the same thing. In the Refinery world we call that a Thermosiphon and it works fabulous.
very interesting presentation of the heating system. It was HOT.
I hope that you get yourself another puppy! Can’t replace Geordie, But honour his memory
I ABSOLUTELY KNOW that you still miss Geordie! I’ve been in the exact Same situation, it’s horrible.
It’s great for me to see that you’re moving on and progressing with the “ ship build” I know that Geordie will remain in your life , for all of your life.
Great , handsome Dog without any question.
I hope that sometime along your life journey you will be able to have another canine companion to enjoy your company. You’d both be lucky and deserved to meet up!!!!!
Love Everything you do. Good Wishes from Dunoon (Scotland)
I installed valves at the engine in my sysimlar system , so if you have a loop problem you can isolate it out from the motor circuit. You can also throttle the flow using ball valves, lastly when on solar ( dump load ) or dock power to make hot water, again you can isolate motor circuit out for heat sink loss. Much motre simple system and less costly or, less maint, or less equipment to fail corrode etc. .
In three boats and one R.V. I had over the years there were bus heaters. I miss them very much.Great when fishing or boating in winter! Once hands get wet you are done in winter. The bus heater defrosted hands in no time Will heat your cabin like hot damn. CHEERS from Sooke P.S. The boats had the bus heater installed at the helm seat or chair.I think there was a shut-off close to the engine outlet but check that one before installing.
You know.. it occurs to me that a systems pamphlet for MV Geordie might be a pretty valuable money making supplement?
My build is not to that point yet of systems, but I would find a pamphlet with diagrams, identified equipment and where it was sourced might be super valuable to people like me!
Just musings!
Goodonyas...helpful info as always!
Hot Hot Hot! Love it! Another informative and educational video! Thanks, cheers.
Mitchell
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I like what you did with the HOT water heater…
The way that you are planning to pipe your space heaters (in series) each heater will get progressivivly cooler water which may be a problem unless the coils get bigger to compensate. You are allso adding the resistance of each heater to the pump head.. If the space heaters are piped in parallel, they will each see the hottest water and the resistance of only the biggest space heater will be added to the pump head. .
Perhaps you already have this planned, but a water heated defroster for the windshield would be nice on those wet Northwest crossings.
Another great instructional video, hot not cold!
We use giant heat exchangers at work for chilling milk and they are very reliable.
Hi, I love your adventure.
I've been following you for a few years.
Good system, but I think you better put all your bushaeters and waterboiler in parallel instead of series.
greetings from Belgium
That engine sounds beautiful!
Having engine generated hot water is cool!
That little heater exchanger idea inline with the webasco heater is a brilliant idea. looks like your plan has been well thought out and executed. looking forward to seeing it all installed should serve you well ...cheers
Peter maybe a problem with that system you probably already thought of it but you are effectively installing a one pipe heating system
Like the old systems in houses the problem is the water will cool after each pass through the small radiators so the last one in the run will be Luke warm ?
This happens on domestic heating systems when people try to add rads onto one a pipe run meant for a single radiator ,
However I know your an all round clever sod so I suspect you thought of this and have it covered 👍 my mrs just gone upstairs to watch soaps cos I got travel with geordie on again 😂😂
Nice job Peter well thought out planning should do the job nicely Hot 🔥 showers this summer YAY I'm glad to have enjoyed the second video of the week Cheers 🍻 my friend enjoy your upcoming week!! 😃
I love how you're utilizing the heat from the engine to help create hot water. It's kind of an old fashioned new fangled way of doing it.
Did a similar setup, using a 20 plate exchanger made by Badger. I used a similar Hydronic heater, it was an Espar. The freshwater side was plumbed into out hot water output line. With the Espar running the plate exchanger was efficient enough to supply enough water for continuous very hot shower, or sink water. It took about 5 minutes run time to have this hot water. My hot water electric heater had 2 exchangers, so engine hot water plumbed thru one and Espar hot water thru other. Antifreeze circuit thru Espar, went to hot water heater exchanger, plate exchanger, and the thru 3 floor exchangers and back to Espar. The plate exchanger when supplying hot water say for a shower, will steal about 80% of heat from water.
That is plenty quick, my hot water takes around 30 minutes to get up to temperature, there is 25 liters of water in the calorifier and that is shared with a heating system too
As you say some like it hot hot hot interesting solution like the bus heaters
Hot dam that beer sounds good!
Watching from Cape Coral, Fl. And the temp here is 85 degrees and for this time of the year that is hot. Love and look forward to your channel.
In your setup the cabin heaters wont have very much hot water until the the water tank is warmed up. the way we always done it was, hot water from source to diverter manifold or a simple T. A valve at the outlet of the t or each manifold outlet. This lets you control where you want the hot water to go. As for the cabin heaters, you can run them in series with a bypass(as you've shown) or parallel (the way we do) which uses more hose but easier to isolates a problem circuit and also makes it easier for future upgrades/expansions. But that's just me, I like separate systems, I hate all-in-ones. The last all-in-ne I had was a stereo with the AM/FM radio, record player, 8 track, cassette, and reel to reel all built in the one cabinet, what a monster compared to things today, I wish that I had kept it.
Awesome bonus episode! Thanks Peter!
Great work on the hot water Peter! As usual!!
Looking good, great hot progress. At end you drew diagram of your 'bus heaters', that will work, but water gets cooler as it goes along in series configuration. Pipe them in parallel instead, balancing will be easy and you will have even temperature distribution.
I was wondering downtown Vic today, showing some friends parliament, and I can't believe you're surviving in the inner harbour. The noise from the protestors is so bad! I don't know how you do it!
Really hot episode. The ale sounds super also. I do ;ike all the episodes because you explainhow and why youdo things..Like the hot exchanger too.
Boating in the summer sun gets you warm not hot......
Happy Presidents Day, Pete (I know you are Canadian)! Another beauty!
Cold weather and wind inbound this week.
Hot! that's just mean giving us that word. Well maybe not I think you'll enjoy being hot even in the cold winters there. Maybe not not as hot as here in Australia, but hot enough. Good job with the explanation and schematics.. very helpful though maybe not much use to me here. Cheers.
Your Baomain half inch brass electric solenoid valve is on its way Peter ....you should have it in a couple of days...cheers...
Usually not a good thing to be “in hot water”…but in this case it is brilliant!!
Couple of zone control valves connected to separate thermostats and your system will be automatic
Fantastic video as usual Peter. Hope you have a great week.
I could be wrong but.... the moment your webasto is off you will no longer have flow in your secondary part (because you put the changer in between)
or you always want to heat your heating part, but in that case the bypass can be removed completely.
The disadvantage of your setup as you describe it now is that your webasto cannot be used as a "pre-heater" for your diesel.
That was a hot episode on circulating heat peter👍👍
Make sure the stored water stays hot enough to avoid bacteria in the tank👍
Absolutely 140 degrees minimum
It might be a hot week for the boa, but right now I' prefer a dark scotch ale. That looked soooo good!
I love how you think things through so well on your projects.... I have a problem of finding out the hard way on a lot of mine....
A heat exchanger is usually made from copper plates, they work more efficiently when mounted vertically with the hot side at the bottom. They are also usually insulated, but that probably doesn't matter in this application. I was a bit concerned that the two main loop pumps would fight each other, it might be better with one pump and a solenoid controlled selector valve to switch the heating loop in or out? Good job so far.
Stainless steel plate heat exchangers are ubiquitous in the HVAC industry especially in Europe.
@@normanboyes4983 thanks for letting me know, I'm not familiar with that industry. In my experience I've rarely seen anything other than copper. Even the stainless steel plate ones contained copper baffles.
For your control valves at the space heaters, you might consider a better valve than a ball valve. Ball valves are for on or off control. For flow control, you'd want something like a globe valve to get better fine tuning of flow.
Hi Peter. I like your plan for hot water distribution and use on board MV Geordie. I noticed in the video that one of your engine lines passes between the oil extractor pump and the back of the engine. You may already have a plan for this, but where that hose is now has high risk of wearing through from engine vibrations. The hose should be wear-protected or rerouted. I had a similar problem on board my Marine Trader. Cheers!
Hello Peter! Can you also heat the interior spaces with shore power to the watertank?
PS - Love your inspiring videos of cozy yathclife in BC - great alternative to watching the news in Europe these days!
Fredrik
Just got to see the boat from across the harbour as I am waiting for the black ball, looking good. Didn't realize you share a marina with other UA-camrs sailing blue moon
Maybe add a warning light incase it gets too hot in the engine compartment when you install the diesel heater. Cheers 🍻
In my opinion the engine will heat when it's not running due to convection, as a remote electric block heater does.
Your work as usual is HOT! HOT HOT!
I have another option that you did not mention.... I was working out something similar for my RV. your water heater is a heat bank which could be used to run your loop to your bus heaters without the webasto or the engine running. IT would not work for long but you would get some heat from it.
I’m hot here in Florida watching another great episode. I’m noticing the engine compartment is filling up fast.
That’s so impressive Peter. You must get a picture in your head of how your going to tackle a certain project, but the thought that must go into it must make your head hurt. I know it does mine. I might do a similar HOT Water system to yours on my boat. It is fantastic. 👍😂🇬🇧🔧
Great system! Once again, I’m only half kidding, about suggesting clear acrylic panels on the floor instead of plywood so that we can always admire the beautiful mechanical design elements of your engine and utility installation. But then I always liked my model airplanes better before covering their skeletons. Cheers m’by!
This intro shows off your beautiful cabinetry to perfection. I enjoyed watching you build them and they look great. now on to actually watching the show.
Great episode. I really enjoyed your detailed explanations. I think the woodwork the end looks warm and inviting as well. Great job. your efforts are building a great boat. nice clean installation.
My only comment would be to do a supply and return loop for the cabin heaters so all get an equal temp supply and then the return comes from the last heater and the others tee in on the way.
Nicely done sir!
A wonderful hot topic!! Thanks for drawing the schematic, it all makes sense now.
I heard an old-timer "boiler-maker / machinist / mechanic" describe the internal combustion engine as an incredibly efficient boiler. The prop PTO and alternator are just the gravy...less than 30% of the thermal cycle.
That engine Bay looks so nice.... You have really done a fantastic job Peter.....
Some like it hot, some like it cold. I like my showers hot and my beer cold.
Send some of that heat my way. we have had 2 blizzards in 3 days and it is anything but hot. tired of shoveling snow
Peter I love the engine, is there anyway you could put a transparent cover over it instead of ply and carpet. In my humble opinion it would look Hot!
With all those sources of heat, I think your boat will be pretty hot!
Peter, I hear you struggling with the term, "hot water heater" since I'm sure folks have pointed out that it should be simply called a "water heater" since it's redundant to call it a "HOT water heater."
I also look forward to the results of your use of 3 bus heaters on one loop. Each time the water goes through a heater, won't you lose so much heat that there will be little energy left, especially by the third loop? My understanding of heating systems requires a separate loop from the source for each radiator/fan. Perhaps 'tuning' the water flow with ball valves will work, but I'd suggest thermostats in each 'room' and electrically controlled valves to restrict how much water (heat) each area requires.
Interesting plumbing project Peter.
WABASCTO IS USED ON MOST OF THE BIG GIGS IN ALL OF CANADA THEY ARE A WELL KNOWN ITEM
well done
If you don’t have shut off valve’s on all those bus radiator’s it will be HOT HOT HOT this summer.
That system is hot! The one thing that you might think about is how to empty all those circuits if the boat has to be unoccupied in cold weather or stored on the hard. Some strategically placed quick connects for an air compressor hose might be good.
Good on the Wee Heavy! Try a Mcewans if the opportunity ever arises ( you may already have tried it)
Ahhh Mcewans!
I know little about hot water systems and you clearly do!. Thank you for producing this bonus episode which will come in handy when I tackle a very similar project for our boat. Looking at your diagram, I was wondering why you wouldn’t want a valve that you could close to force the hot water through the room heating loop after it leaves your water tank. If it is being circulated by two pumps, won’t the Webasto be fighting the secondary circulation pump?
Most excellent and elegant.
Thanks - interesting - make sure the water in the calorifier going to your taps (and especially shower) is above 60°C (to kill Legionella) before being mixed with cold water to cool it exactly at point of use ( & not before). I'll be interested to see how this is done because we'll have to have a system like this installed in our narrowboat when complete - don't want showers at 60°C! (Dot)
Really enjoying the channel. Thank you for making the videos.
Hot system, faster than I expected. My diesels always had plenty of extra heat.
Love watching your adventures and project solutions! You may have mentioned this is prior videos but where did you source the silicone heater hose and the special gear clamps? Thanks in advance.
Dennis
Good to hear you understand how to control hot water not circulating thru the boat in the summer. I have a friend who figured it out after the fact.
Hot hot hot. Some like it hot hot hot. Hi Peter. Good plan. How much does a Webasto cost and where would one get it ?
Love the Webasco Heat. I'm sure you know Eric at Sure Marine in Ballard is the expert. I don't think you'll need the portion valve at each radiator. Normally they just use an electric switch for the fan in each room. They have a high low and off I would just use a regular switch for on and off. You Want It On full when you need heat. Your cabin thermostat will turn on the circulation pump and your fan power as needed. Check with Eric but I believe you will need to put in a large storage expansion tank on the boiler side. The boiler keeps the water warm regardless of what the cabin thermostat is doing. Then the cabin thermostat Cycles to control your cabin heat but the boiler always stays at I believe 165°. Enjoy the hot water!
You will have some "residue loss" heating the engine, maybe not "heating" per se, more like warming up due to self circulation caused by temperature difference, but I guess this loss is quite small and negligible.
If the output (to "bus heaters") is connected to both the heatexchanger and the T-split/connector (first split after water tank), it must be simpler to (instead of this the scematics drawn with two T-splits) replace the first (from the watertank) with a electric T-split valve that redirects the hot water to the "bus heaters", this also eliminates the need of a secondary pump and since the electric valve draws power when actuated (momentarily) and You only have one pump/Webasto going and draws power.
As always, very interesting and educational. On top, I really like the personal approach not "acting a role" - keep it coming!
Any plans for radiant floor heating like the the airstream? That would be HOT!
Now you need to install a keel cooler to cool the boat when it is Hot outside. Water in this general area is 48F or there abouts. You become an all season craft!
Get a nice Chinese diesel heater which with a liter diesel can warm up your boat for 12 hours
I’ve had to keep a small circ pump in-line as the webasto keep failing on lack of flow when running through the heater vents. It also allows to not rely on the webasto for circulating.
Great stuff. I would try living on a boat. Seems cool. BTW there is no such thing as a "hot water heater". Only a water heater. If the water is already hot, why hot water heater?
As if thre aren't enough valves, fittings. If the typical seawater temp is 60 deg F or less in the summer, then how about some change over valves and use a sea water exchanger to cool all those hot decks throughout the boat? Just my .02
Hi Peter.
There's a couple of problems with the schematic..
A gate valve or soft one way in the bit between secondary..
I have done things slightly different..
Other comments make suggestions..
With the diesel heater use cable like you use to link batteries and reduce by heater..
The exhaust looks like it could do with an antivibration bracket.. to stop shearing on engine plate..
For the header tank (cheapo) use a 2 gallon plastic petrol can (pressure type) .. the type made of thick plastic and big radiuses.. add spigot and pressure release valve (I can give trick to fitting them).. 1 gallon a bit small..
Pronunciation..
Cal-lore-i-fire
the i said as in second i in.. idiot.
Beer may or may not be useful... 🐱 ...
Regards Bella 🐈 and Mark.. S-on-A UK..
Thanks for the schematic of your HOT water system. Have you given any thought to solenoids to control water flow to the different sections?
Great video as always! Especially the beer of the week😇 about your heating system, wouldn’t you need a expansion tank? Water tends to expand when hot..