What are the downfalls of owning this hybrid car. What major maintenance would be needed. Can this crown get minimum 200k miles or more if taken care of?
This is the one I want. The Limited is the only trim level that you can get an interior color other than tomb black. I would rather get >40mpg and 600 miles of range than the high performance version. A number of reviewers have complained about lack of driver’s seat headroom so that is a concern. I too wish this was a lift back.
The lack of driver's seat headroom is in keeping with the lack of passenger seat headroom in the back. 🤨Why couldn't they have lifted headroom 4 inches the way they lifted the seating position 4 inches? The design craze kicked off by the original sloping Mercedes CLS sedan in 2004 is still distorting the shape of sedans from their original practical mission. Is it any wonder practical people are forced into CUVs?
@@rightlanehog3151 I’ve had the problem in a few Lexus cars too. My sense when sitting in them was that the seat could/should be able to go a few inches lower. That’s why I’m concerned with this car.
I purchased the Crown Limited 3 months ago. So far, it’s been absolutely amazing. I consistently get better gas mileage than projected. Usually I’m getting 48-54 mpg. The ride is very smooth, the advanced driver assistance and technology is spectacular, and the interior is sheer luxury. The seats are unbelievably comfortable which is really nice for longer drives. Overall, I love it and do not regret the purchase one bit. I also agree with Kirk, the limited trim is the way to go. I test drove both the limited and the platinum. While the platinum is faster, the fuel economy definitely suffers. The only big difference is that the platinum gets the automatic parking assist. I preferred the smoother, more fuel efficient limited trim.
I like this Crown. I was hoping you could get the Limited tech package without those 21s. I feel like the ride will be smoother and tire replacement will be more reasonable with the standard 19 inch wheels.
I test drove a Limited and a Platinum today. After driving the Limited, I almost left. I didn't like the sound or feel of the 2.5 with the CVT at all. When I stepped hard on the gas, the car seemed to say, "please don't do this too often." It did not feel like a $45k car. Then I drove the Platinum. To me, it felt totally different. It was smoother, quieter, the steering felt crisper. Maybe that's because of the rear wheel bias of the Hybrid Max system. I wouldn't consider buying the Limited for $45k, but I'd consider the $50k Platinum. The engine/drivetrain felt more than $5k better. As for the looks, It's a love/hate thing, right? To me it's different look in a good way. I really like the Crown, but like others have said, a liftback would have been preferred as would a contrasting interior option on the Platinum. But I'll tell you what I do hate - the front end of just about every Lexus. I despise that spindle grill. Even Lexus admits it's a polarizing look, and yet they tag every car with that front end. However, since we're talking about $50k vehicles, we have to take a serious look at an ES. Then the problem becomes, if you want AWD you're looking at the ES250 with a non-turbo in-line 4. Only with the ES350 can you get the nice V6, but you lose the AWD and have to settle for front-wheel drive. To stick with the hybrid idea, you're now looking at the ES300h with the non-turbo in-line 4 and only front drive. That's like the worst of both worlds. For those saying it's an easy choice to run to Lexus, I'm not seeing it yet.
Kirk, The XLE with a lower price, a little more sidewall for a smoother ride and sensible cloth upholstery seems like the most rational choice. Having said that, there is nothing rational about Toyota North America sending us this Crown instead of the 3 superior models shown at 0:17
Thank you for the coverage of the new Crown. Some will love it and others will be totally turned off by it. IMO it looks like it should be a replacement for the Venza not the Avalon. It makes me even happier that I bought the new 19 Avalon Limited. I'm hoping it gives me the same carefree service that my bought new 2000 XLS did. On a recent road trip with cruise set just above the speed limit I got over 34 mpg with one tankful getting 35.1 mpg on interstate driving. Not bad for a comfortable cruiser with 301 HP. As for the 2000 XLS, I passed it down to my granddaughter when I bought the 2019. It is still her daily driver and still only requires regular maintenance.
Hello Kirk, I followed you over from your recent guest appearance on Toyota Jeff's channel. 🤩 I certainly agree the 41 mpg models will have a broader appeal. I really hope we get the Estate we saw in Japan to give the untouchable Outback some competition. I believe the Crown drivetrain is set up for Regular gas rather than the Premium we see on the Lexus side. Please correct me if I am wrong. 🤔
Thanks for the follow! Jeff is great. You're correct about the mpg numbers being ran on regular as well as the HP numbers on regular. However the acceleration numbers toyota posted for these Crowns is on 91 octance.
@@KirkKreifels will there be smaller wheels for effeincy , cost, and less rough ride? possibly change the housing area for more trunkspace for the rear wheel housing?
You are right. First it is a Crossover. It is possible that the JDM version has a lift back. Or, knowing that this model would be sold in other markets, Toyota Japan intentionally left the liftback capability off allowing other markets to categorize it as they wish. Toyota U.S. is trying to market this as a Sedan. Its a Crossover, that thinks it's a sedan.
Yeah. I like the 12.3in mid but I personally love the 7inch mid setup from the Camry. I think all screen is overkill considering it doesn’t do much else (except the 3D gauge cluster on the genesis)
@@naveenthemachine Oh, definitely. I just meant how it's integrated in the dash like a normal gauge cluster. The 7 inch display goes very well with the mechanical gauges, it's very elegant. The Camry's is a bit more intense with the surrounds for the gauges and the Land Cruiser 300's is more flat, simple but effective. It even has a battery and oil gauge on the screen. 😂
@@naveenthemachine That said even though I don't like the full screen versions I still think Toyota did it best with the Tundra and Sequoia. Mercedes and BMW way overdo it with theirs.
Too bad Toyota is not on board with Apple's new Car play system. The one which allows you to customize your speedometer and see your car stats via the ODM.
This car intrigues me. I’d like to see the Limited in person and hopefully test drive it. It ticks a lot of my wish list boxes but I just wish it was a hatchback. I wonder how available it will even be considering the massive delays on the rest of Toyota’s lineup?
Kirk, I have a 2021 Rav4 Prime that has almost identical performance numbers as the top performing Crown model (0-60, quarter mile & slalom speed), while getting an estimated 94 MPGe and the freedom to use 40+ EV miles if I wish to go the silent route without using gasoline. And I didn’t mention the extra space the Rav4 Prime has vs the Crown’s limited space. For the price, why didn’t Toyota make the Crown a better performing car?
For this vehicle, one might as well buy a Lexus. I don't think this will be a hit in the North American market. Toyota brought it here so they can charge the premium.
This one is called Toyota Crown Crossover in Asia. Is there any news if North America will get the sedan version of this car? There will be 4 different version of Crown in Asian market, and it would be sad if North America gets only the crossover version.
It's more of a nostalgia for myself when talking about Toyota Crown, instead of power figures. If I'm looking for one, I would love to have a color theme like the old Red Hong Kong Taxi instead of Black-on-Red. That would bring a special favours and a good old memories for my taste! 😂😂😂 (My apologies for the re-post if there's indeed a repeat! It seems like my comment was lost somewhere and no longer to be found.)
A power pano roof, HUD, and owe tilt/telescopic wheel and JBL Synthesis system for better audio would all be welcome for a top line vehicle that is Crown. How does it ride on those enormous wheels Kirk?
@@naveenthemachine what the hell are you talking about .😂.crown has a panorama sunroof and more. You are now putting lies .wow this is the worst comment you have put.😂
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 but it doesn’t open. And the crown pano roof isn’t big. If you saw the center cross bar is too much towards the front. Generally in a panoroof thr cross bar should be a bit further back towards the center
Kirk, great review. Thank you. What do you think about this vs the Avalon limited hybrid in terms of ride quality, quietness, and interiors. Also is the moon roof shorter than usual on the front side? Trying to decide between the Avalon Limited Hybrid, Lexus ES300h and the crown. Reason crown is interesting is the awd, but want it to be as comfortable as Avalon or the ES. Thank you so much. Hope you'll reply with your opinion
Kirk, does the Crown have auto steer on the highway? Basically where you can set the radar cruise and it will maintain speed, and steer the car on the highway without the driver needing to hold the steering wheel .
As hard as I try to like this car, aside from the powertrain, mileage, and raised height I just can't get there. I don't know what the designers were thinking, but the interior is so mediocre for a supposed halo car. I had high expectations for this car, but at this price point, I'm back to square one. Toyota seems to be going in a hundred directions doing an average job instead of doing a few things really well. I'm looking forward to the '23 Accord review.
You wonder what the designers were thinking but designers like to indulge themselves. I would like to know what the product planners at Toyota USA and Canada were smoking or drinking when they chose this over a good looking Crown sedan, stylish CUV and sleekly practical Estate. From what I can see of the interior, it is fine for a car in today's $40k range but lacks some expected luxury for the upper end trims.
@@rightlanehog3151 North America may very well get some of the other variants. In the meantime they may not want to add more models that they can't fulfill anyway.
I would love this whole package if it wasn't for the styling and the "elevatedness". But I guess, as Jeremy Clarkson said about the Panemera, "I can't look at the car if im inside it"
The photo angle in the made me think it was a Mazda 3, which already doesn't have enough headroom. Hopefully North America does get the Estate and Sport crowns
Does this Crown have a slightly higher view of the road? I'm interested with this if it provides a better view during traffic vs a regular height sedan. Thanks!
Love the Crown review. Limited looks like a great choice for me. I'm a Lexus fan....but this Toyota seems to 'come close' to Lexus quality and performance. Looking for a luxury AWD sedan....not many out there. Net Crown seems to fit that bill. Do you anticipate any Lexus equivalent in the next few years? Great review. Thanks.
Hi Kirk. I have a question please. A few months ago, you reviewed the Toyota Camry Hybrid and you said that Toyota did a great job with the air condition system in the Camry, and that the cabin was freezing. But i want to know if the Toyota Crown Limited air condition system is as efficient as in the Camry. Does it cool down the cabin as weel as the Camry? Or the Camry is better in term of air condition. My choice is torn between the Camry and the Crown, but i will take the most freezing car. Thanks.
I would get it with the turbo. Not for the performance, but because if you drive on the highway a lot like I do, it is just so much smoother and easier on the engine getting up to highway speeds. I drove a GM car with the 3800 turbo and put over 300k miles on after getting it with 66k. I've had two similar non-turbo GM 3800 cars prior to and two since, and none of them saw, or will see 200k. The turbo GM got only one fewer MPG's than the non-turbo ones.
While the Avalon was actually stylish, attractive and elegant, this Crown looks more utilitarian and it commands a bit of a price premium over the Avalon. I think it's the marketing department at Toyota knowing customers will simply step up to a Lexus at this price point.
Why did you have your phone plugged in if it has wireless charging and wireless android auto/ apple car play. Was that just a personal choice or it is missing wireless android auto for example?
Thank you for your ride review. This Crown might be the best everyday commute vehicle, a quiet, smooth, and comfortable ride. I cannot wait when Toyota to introduce the 4-Door Sedan version of Crown. That's what is famous and popular for Premium luxury sedans in Japan. Love Crown and Love Toyota.
We need a crown with the front crown emblem from Japan and in Cypress green all around not 2 tone. Love that these are built in Japan. Are Toyota hybrids reliable? What do I need to know about maintenance costs?
Toyota Hybrid is top notch. Be sure to change the hybrid air filter and change the oil every 5K miles. Maintenance cost is not much more than a standard non hybrid car.
Eh...the Crown not being a liftback killed this car for me. A fully loaded gen 8 Camry XSE V6 does most of what the Crown Limited can do for 10k less MSRP.
Kind of on the fence on this car. Definitely the Limited seems like the best choice. But lacking features (heads up). Interior may not be the highest quality but that I’d have to see.
I like what I see, the price could put me out of purchasing one? I will wait to see “Cost” ?? I think I’d buy the limited BUT, 91 octane??? What’s that all about??
simping for cars that are not effceint like they can be for no good reason gets boring. i rather dream of ideals than dream about owning something like this
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 imagine if it was prius prime except you had rear seats facing the rear and small kei car engine charging electric motors with enough battery range for low cost of ownerhsip. solar shades to minimize heat buildup in hot parking lot for having comfortable tempurature quicker and minimize energy loss for battery driving range and battery lonegevity. privacy shades that let in light like toyota century. focus on hydrallic lotus like steering to give confidence of tire grip level to maintian speed without power around turns, to minimize regen brake use for more effinecy and battery longevity. theres much more to say...
To me, the styling does not evoke CROWN. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I see more of a CAMRY style competitor and maybe that is what Millennials want to see. I like the looks of it, but I just don't see a CROWN when I look at it.
Interior seems underwhelming for the price. The two-tone does not fit the personality at all of what this car is meant to be. Very big and heavy but doesn’t take advantage of the size and doesn’t seem any more practical than my IS 350. I know this car is meant for the older crowd which I understand with the quality slow smooth ride, but why does it have the color scheme of a hellcat? Lol idk Im just in the minority that doesn’t understand this car. 😅
Lucky to live in a country where this wonder of automotive Japanese industry, comes year after year, is my opinion this brand doesn’t fit in America. Is like to try to adapt a ford mustang in Japan. The philosophy behind the real crown is exclusively to Japanese way of thinking, which is opposed to America’s. It is a sacrilege to bring such a unique brand to a society that doesn’t understand the value of this brand. The real Toyota Crown is not just a car. Is a blend of refinement , durability and luxury but on the interpretation of Japan philosophy. How many will consider buying a GT 500 made in China?. Every hands that touch that sheet metal,most be American,because there’s a vibes that comes from the love and pride of the guys who make this icon of American muscle. Same thing happening with the Crown. If you don’t understand what’s behind the Crown..? Is a very prestigious brand For all of that , I don’t think , this market idea will last. Just like the Supra Another Toyota Legend ,been misplaced.
They should of never put a cvt into the cheapest trim. It will push away alot of buyers ...not everyone can spend another 10 grand to just have a real automatic transmission .it might be a great vehicle but 50 grand?
Good tech and bones, but lackluster interior and exterior design. Interior accoutrements lacking, minimal color selection, and trim dressings. I'll wait for the redesign of Lexus ES350 before I commit. Was hoping "The Crown" would live up to its moniker.
Yeah I loved the 6. I had strongly considered the signature model. But the tight rear seat, small trunk, low quality 360 cam, and the touchscreen locking you out when the transmission is in drive prevented me from choosing it
@@naveenthemachine The rear seat is bigger than most SUVs and only the Sonata at the time had more space. The trunk is pretty big and has one of the largest passthroughs of any of the other sedans. Hard to beat. These new cars are only focused on the size of a touchscreen and the rest of the packaging seems to be poorly thought out.
Idk why but I love the 2.5L hybrid system. It’s so simple, reliable and relatively smooth for what it is.
I do as well.
Yea.. it's not simple. Well engineered would be the right term.
@@timothydevries383 mechanically it is simple. No torque converter or clutches and no real gears. No reverse gear either
@@timothydevries383 tim you are just blindly hating. The toyota hybrid system is robust and relatively simple.
What are the downfalls of owning this hybrid car. What major maintenance would be needed. Can this crown get minimum 200k miles or more if taken care of?
This is the one I want. The Limited is the only trim level that you can get an interior color other than tomb black. I would rather get >40mpg and 600 miles of range than the high performance version. A number of reviewers have complained about lack of driver’s seat headroom so that is a concern. I too wish this was a lift back.
The lack of driver's seat headroom is in keeping with the lack of passenger seat headroom in the back. 🤨Why couldn't they have lifted headroom 4 inches the way they lifted the seating position 4 inches? The design craze kicked off by the original sloping Mercedes CLS sedan in 2004 is still distorting the shape of sedans from their original practical mission. Is it any wonder practical people are forced into CUVs?
@@rightlanehog3151 I’ve had the problem in a few Lexus cars too. My sense when sitting in them was that the seat could/should be able to go a few inches lower. That’s why I’m concerned with this car.
@@oldsnwbrdr Toyota New Global Architecture represents a lost generation for taller drivers.
Kirk said he'd been getting 45-50 mpg
Always having ample headroom and legroom in cars is one of the few benefits of being short, I speak from experience.
I purchased the Crown Limited 3 months ago. So far, it’s been absolutely amazing. I consistently get better gas mileage than projected. Usually I’m getting 48-54 mpg. The ride is very smooth, the advanced driver assistance and technology is spectacular, and the interior is sheer luxury. The seats are unbelievably comfortable which is really nice for longer drives. Overall, I love it and do not regret the purchase one bit. I also agree with Kirk, the limited trim is the way to go. I test drove both the limited and the platinum. While the platinum is faster, the fuel economy definitely suffers. The only big difference is that the platinum gets the automatic parking assist. I preferred the smoother, more fuel efficient limited trim.
I like this Crown. I was hoping you could get the Limited tech package without those 21s. I feel like the ride will be smoother and tire replacement will be more reasonable with the standard 19 inch wheels.
I test drove a Limited and a Platinum today. After driving the Limited, I almost left. I didn't like the sound or feel of the 2.5 with the CVT at all. When I stepped hard on the gas, the car seemed to say, "please don't do this too often." It did not feel like a $45k car. Then I drove the Platinum. To me, it felt totally different. It was smoother, quieter, the steering felt crisper. Maybe that's because of the rear wheel bias of the Hybrid Max system. I wouldn't consider buying the Limited for $45k, but I'd consider the $50k Platinum. The engine/drivetrain felt more than $5k better. As for the looks, It's a love/hate thing, right? To me it's different look in a good way. I really like the Crown, but like others have said, a liftback would have been preferred as would a contrasting interior option on the Platinum. But I'll tell you what I do hate - the front end of just about every Lexus. I despise that spindle grill. Even Lexus admits it's a polarizing look, and yet they tag every car with that front end. However, since we're talking about $50k vehicles, we have to take a serious look at an ES. Then the problem becomes, if you want AWD you're looking at the ES250 with a non-turbo in-line 4. Only with the ES350 can you get the nice V6, but you lose the AWD and have to settle for front-wheel drive. To stick with the hybrid idea, you're now looking at the ES300h with the non-turbo in-line 4 and only front drive. That's like the worst of both worlds. For those saying it's an easy choice to run to Lexus, I'm not seeing it yet.
Kirk, The XLE with a lower price, a little more sidewall for a smoother ride and sensible cloth upholstery seems like the most rational choice. Having said that, there is nothing rational about Toyota North America sending us this Crown instead of the 3 superior models shown at 0:17
I agree this one we're getting is the LEAST desirable of the 4...
I've said it before...and I'll say it again...does this not remind people of the Honda CrossTour? Not sure that is good or bad...
Bad
Crosstour seemed so cool, they should bring it back!
Honda being ahead of it's time
I love the crosstour. I’d love to see it return cus I cannot find one used with low mileage.
Just got the Platinum in grey and black, no way I would settle for the lower grades. I love this POWER.
Thank you for the coverage of the new Crown. Some will love it and others will be totally turned off by it. IMO it looks like it should be a replacement for the Venza not the Avalon. It makes me even happier that I bought the new 19 Avalon Limited. I'm hoping it gives me the same carefree service that my bought new 2000 XLS did. On a recent road trip with cruise set just above the speed limit I got over 34 mpg with one tankful getting 35.1 mpg on interstate driving. Not bad for a comfortable cruiser with 301 HP. As for the 2000 XLS, I passed it down to my granddaughter when I bought the 2019. It is still her daily driver and still only requires regular maintenance.
Let's see what Toyota has to offer when your Avalon Limited is due for replacement in 2038.
Hello Kirk, I followed you over from your recent guest appearance on Toyota Jeff's channel. 🤩 I certainly agree the 41 mpg models will have a broader appeal. I really hope we get the Estate we saw in Japan to give the untouchable Outback some competition. I believe the Crown drivetrain is set up for Regular gas rather than the Premium we see on the Lexus side. Please correct me if I am wrong. 🤔
Thanks for the follow! Jeff is great. You're correct about the mpg numbers being ran on regular as well as the HP numbers on regular. However the acceleration numbers toyota posted for these Crowns is on 91 octance.
@@KirkKreifels Thanks for the clarification. Of course an Outback with the Crown's Hybrid drivetrain would be a good second choice.
@@KirkKreifels will there be smaller wheels for effeincy , cost, and less rough ride? possibly change the housing area for more trunkspace for the rear wheel housing?
The worst part about this Crossover is that it doesn't have a liftback.
what’s a lift back?
You are right. First it is a Crossover. It is possible that the JDM version has a lift back. Or, knowing that this model would be sold in other markets, Toyota Japan intentionally left the liftback capability off allowing other markets to categorize it as they wish. Toyota U.S. is trying to market this as a Sedan. Its a Crossover, that thinks it's a sedan.
Yes, having the cargo versatility of a crossover or SUV would've made too much sense.
Totally agree. It is literally killing the versatility
If it has a liftback, then you wouldn’t buy their other crossovers 😁
Why not have a lift back as SUV are basically hatchbacks. That would’ve sealed the deal for ultimate sedan hatchback crossover thing.
I must say the gauge cluster and infotainment display are well executed. No cheap as hell two screens slapped on the dash.
Yeah. I like the 12.3in mid but I personally love the 7inch mid setup from the Camry. I think all screen is overkill considering it doesn’t do much else (except the 3D gauge cluster on the genesis)
@@naveenthemachine Oh, definitely. I just meant how it's integrated in the dash like a normal gauge cluster. The 7 inch display goes very well with the mechanical gauges, it's very elegant. The Camry's is a bit more intense with the surrounds for the gauges and the Land Cruiser 300's is more flat, simple but effective. It even has a battery and oil gauge on the screen. 😂
@@naveenthemachine That said even though I don't like the full screen versions I still think Toyota did it best with the Tundra and Sequoia. Mercedes and BMW way overdo it with theirs.
Too bad Toyota is not on board with Apple's new Car play system. The one which allows you to customize your speedometer and see your car stats via the ODM.
I’ll wait to see how long it takes to actually get one and how much of a market adjustment is slapped on it by the dealers.
Wow great from Toyota to cool the wireless charger! They get very hot.
I like it but I just wish it was a lift back for more practicality. That's my only gripe though. Lol
All I wanted was a heads up display and ambient lighting lol
Agreed. Seems like a missed opportunity.
exactly. they know what to do next time.
@@the_alpha1111 it has ambient lightning just really low
@@JoTwinSticks can’t wait for a night test drive review
As an (2021) Accord hybrid owner, I’m interested in this vehicle. Great video Kirk! 🔥 👌🏽
This car intrigues me. I’d like to see the Limited in person and hopefully test drive it. It ticks a lot of my wish list boxes but I just wish it was a hatchback. I wonder how available it will even be considering the massive delays on the rest of Toyota’s lineup?
Kirk, I have a 2021 Rav4 Prime that has almost identical performance numbers as the top performing Crown model (0-60, quarter mile & slalom speed), while getting an estimated 94 MPGe and the freedom to use 40+ EV miles if I wish to go the silent route without using gasoline. And I didn’t mention the extra space the Rav4 Prime has vs the Crown’s limited space. For the price, why didn’t Toyota make the Crown a better performing car?
The Crown needs a hatchback variant to lure SUV/CUV and Subaru owners to it.
no a wagon version, suv's are too npc
looks way better than most of the Lexus on the market.
Except the LC or ES
So around $50K for this as shown trim?
It's a nice car but things are sure getting more expensive. This should be more like $40K imo.
For this vehicle, one might as well buy a Lexus. I don't think this will be a hit in the North American market. Toyota brought it here so they can charge the premium.
Seems like a great touring car.
50k but no hud, digital rear view mirror, ambient lighting…
This one is called Toyota Crown Crossover in Asia. Is there any news if North America will get the sedan version of this car? There will be 4 different version of Crown in Asian market, and it would be sad if North America gets only the crossover version.
Nah, I got the 2024 Platinum Hybrid Max and NFs given. Very fun to drive with 340HP. And the ground distance is 5.8-in
We love our new Crown Platinum in gray and black, the power is amazing. I would never buy the lower grades.
Give us the hatchback! The Crown looks great, but the trunk doesn't work for most people, especially active families with kids and dogs.
5:28. The lovely groan of the CVT......
It's more of a nostalgia for myself when talking about Toyota Crown, instead of power figures. If I'm looking for one, I would love to have a color theme like the old Red Hong Kong Taxi instead of Black-on-Red. That would bring a special favours and a good old memories for my taste! 😂😂😂
(My apologies for the re-post if there's indeed a repeat! It seems like my comment was lost somewhere and no longer to be found.)
Does anyone know when this will be released?
A power pano roof, HUD, and owe tilt/telescopic wheel and JBL Synthesis system for better audio would all be welcome for a top line vehicle that is Crown. How does it ride on those enormous wheels Kirk?
All those are missing on the crown but the Avalon has those. Even A Camry has both a hud and pano roof
Surprisingly well.
@@naveenthemachine what the hell are you talking about .😂.crown has a panorama sunroof and more. You are now putting lies .wow this is the worst comment you have put.😂
@@naveenthemachine Wow that's a super odd decision.
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 but it doesn’t open. And the crown pano roof isn’t big. If you saw the center cross bar is too much towards the front. Generally in a panoroof thr cross bar should be a bit further back towards the center
Skip first year. Also, would like to fully see other variants
Kirk, great review. Thank you. What do you think about this vs the Avalon limited hybrid in terms of ride quality, quietness, and interiors. Also is the moon roof shorter than usual on the front side?
Trying to decide between the Avalon Limited Hybrid, Lexus ES300h and the crown. Reason crown is interesting is the awd, but want it to be as comfortable as Avalon or the ES. Thank you so much. Hope you'll reply with your opinion
Kirk, does the Crown have auto steer on the highway? Basically where you can set the radar cruise and it will maintain speed, and steer the car on the highway without the driver needing to hold the steering wheel .
As hard as I try to like this car, aside from the powertrain, mileage, and raised height I just can't get there. I don't know what the designers were thinking, but the interior is so mediocre for a supposed halo car. I had high expectations for this car, but at this price point, I'm back to square one. Toyota seems to be going in a hundred directions doing an average job instead of doing a few things really well. I'm looking forward to the '23 Accord review.
You wonder what the designers were thinking but designers like to indulge themselves. I would like to know what the product planners at Toyota USA and Canada were smoking or drinking when they chose this over a good looking Crown sedan, stylish CUV and sleekly practical Estate. From what I can see of the interior, it is fine for a car in today's $40k range but lacks some expected luxury for the upper end trims.
@@rightlanehog3151 North America may very well get some of the other variants. In the meantime they may not want to add more models that they can't fulfill anyway.
The Platinum in gray and black is the best looking car made.
Imagine talking to yourself aloud while alone in the car! 😮
Is that camera behind the steering wheel annoying? IE does it beep/ become intrusive?
I would love this whole package if it wasn't for the styling and the "elevatedness". But I guess, as Jeremy Clarkson said about the Panemera, "I can't look at the car if im inside it"
The photo angle in the made me think it was a Mazda 3, which already doesn't have enough headroom. Hopefully North America does get the Estate and Sport crowns
I don't like the styling in the outside but it's growing on me.
Does this Crown have a slightly higher view of the road? I'm interested with this if it provides a better view during traffic vs a regular height sedan. Thanks!
I sat in one. Taller than my Lexus ES, sort of like the Subaru Outback, but not as high as my wife’s Lexus NX.
@jml9550 I can totally see that. Good reference regarding subaru outback!
Soooo the panoramic roof doesn't open?
It's has a face and back only a mother can love..
A family member went from the Avalon to the new Crown. Really nice car. Very comfortable and good looking in person. They are very happy with it.
Is there another difference between the limited and the platinum besides the 360 camera, dual paint scheme, wheels & the engine?
Oh you're in Mississippi! I was thinking about getting the Platinum but The limited is more gas efficient.
Love the Crown review. Limited looks like a great choice for me. I'm a Lexus fan....but this Toyota seems to 'come close' to Lexus quality and performance. Looking for a luxury AWD sedan....not many out there. Net Crown seems to fit that bill. Do you anticipate any Lexus equivalent in the next few years? Great review. Thanks.
are these Crowns available in California? I have looked everywhere and it seems like none of the dealerships have them.
i still wish it is a hatchback.
Great info!
Can the eye cam be turned off. If so, does it affect other safety features? What happens if tape is put over it or one wears dark glasses?
Hi Kirk. I have a question please. A few months ago, you reviewed the Toyota Camry Hybrid and you said that Toyota did a great job with the air condition system in the Camry, and that the cabin was freezing. But i want to know if the Toyota Crown Limited air condition system is as efficient as in the Camry. Does it cool down the cabin as weel as the Camry? Or the Camry is better in term of air condition. My choice is torn between the Camry and the Crown, but i will take the most freezing car. Thanks.
I would get it with the turbo. Not for the performance, but because if you drive on the highway a lot like I do, it is just so much smoother and easier on the engine getting up to highway speeds. I drove a GM car with the 3800 turbo and put over 300k miles on after getting it with 66k. I've had two similar non-turbo GM 3800 cars prior to and two since, and none of them saw, or will see 200k. The turbo GM got only one fewer MPG's than the non-turbo ones.
The avalon, especially the last gen actually was a good looking sedan, this just looks like a generic crossover.
As much as some loved to call the Avalon front end Charlie Chaplin mustache, I think it’s more attractive than the crown
True. Toyota shouldn't have killed the Avalon for this. This would've been a lot better as liftback.
While the Avalon was actually stylish, attractive and elegant, this Crown looks more utilitarian and it commands a bit of a price premium over the Avalon. I think it's the marketing department at Toyota knowing customers will simply step up to a Lexus at this price point.
@@chezzyperson3339 K8 looks cheap and overpriced, like it was.
Why did you have your phone plugged in if it has wireless charging and wireless android auto/ apple car play. Was that just a personal choice or it is missing wireless android auto for example?
Thank you for your ride review. This Crown might be the best everyday commute vehicle, a quiet, smooth, and comfortable ride. I cannot wait when Toyota to introduce the 4-Door Sedan version of Crown. That's what is famous and popular for Premium luxury sedans in Japan. Love Crown and Love Toyota.
its already a 4 door sedan
We need a crown with the front crown emblem from Japan and in Cypress green all around not 2 tone. Love that these are built in Japan. Are Toyota hybrids reliable? What do I need to know about maintenance costs?
Toyota Hybrid is top notch. Be sure to change the hybrid air filter and change the oil every 5K miles. Maintenance cost is not much more than a standard non hybrid car.
Nice review. New feature Proactive Driving Assist is very natural to me; it could cover many careless human errors.
True but add many computer error.
What package is the facial recognition included in, the sensor on the steering wheel?
Eh...the Crown not being a liftback killed this car for me. A fully loaded gen 8 Camry XSE V6 does most of what the Crown Limited can do for 10k less MSRP.
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@@KirkKreifels UA-cam had me banned for a longtime for corny dad jokes.
If gas prices were lower, I'd consider getting the Platinum with a regular 6-speed tranny and the Hybrid MAX 2.4 motor.
Is that fuel efficiency using regular grade fuel (87 Octane) or does it require higher grades?
Kind of on the fence on this car. Definitely the Limited seems like the best choice. But lacking features (heads up). Interior may not be the highest quality but that I’d have to see.
Hi. What do you know about the phev crown
It looks like a hatch back, then make it a hatch back.
But still the price wise… I rather go with Lexus instead or XLE if not last solution would a Venza/Harrier for that price.
GH would look good on 21’s too. So I guess no cheap trims on flagship models 🙂
I like what I see, the price could put me out of purchasing one? I will wait to see “Cost” ?? I think I’d buy the limited BUT, 91 octane??? What’s that all about??
Hi Kurt. Since you have driven both the 2023 Toyota Crown Limited and 2023 Lexus RX 350h by now, which one is quiet at 70 mph?
I test drove both. RXH is quieter.
So who's the target demographic for this?
Avalon buyers? Lexus ES buyers?
@@KirkKreifels Exactly! Great looking car, but how many of your friends own a $50,000 sedan?? A Highlander Hybrid makes more sense for most people.
What a big miss that this does not come with a liftback….could have been a nice SUV alternative
I’m 6’3 wonder if I fit lol
The crown is a excellent vehicle and a class leader .❤👑. Excellent video kirk . Haters will always exist.
simping for cars that are not effceint like they can be for no good reason gets boring. i rather dream of ideals than dream about owning something like this
@@kalmmonke5037 well crown is excellent car and its sad that people like you talk like this.😂
@@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961 imagine if it was prius prime except you had rear seats facing the rear and small kei car engine charging electric motors with enough battery range for low cost of ownerhsip. solar shades to minimize heat buildup in hot parking lot for having comfortable tempurature quicker and minimize energy loss for battery driving range and battery lonegevity. privacy shades that let in light like toyota century. focus on hydrallic lotus like steering to give confidence of tire grip level to maintian speed without power around turns, to minimize regen brake use for more effinecy and battery longevity. theres much more to say...
Will the 2023 Toyota Crown be assembled in Japan Kurt?
Yes it is built in Japan
I just don’t know why someone would buy anything but the XLE grade of this. Just buy a Lexus ESh for this kind of price
To me, the styling does not evoke CROWN. That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I see more of a CAMRY style competitor and maybe that is what Millennials want to see. I like the looks of it, but I just don't see a CROWN when I look at it.
Not me, I prefer the Platinum Max.
I agree, give me Over 300 hp.
@@alexnutcasio936 you can get 300hp in a Camry for a lot less
Good thing they have different strokes for different folks.
I love our Platinum gray and black two-tone, The lower grades would disappoint me.
@@naveenthemachine You couldn't give me anything else Toyota makes.
Interior seems underwhelming for the price. The two-tone does not fit the personality at all of what this car is meant to be. Very big and heavy but doesn’t take advantage of the size and doesn’t seem any more practical than my IS 350. I know this car is meant for the older crowd which I understand with the quality slow smooth ride, but why does it have the color scheme of a hellcat? Lol idk Im just in the minority that doesn’t understand this car. 😅
We need the Cressida!
Nothing here to want to make me move away from my Toyota RAV4 2021 XLE hybrid that weighs 3700 pounds
I'm buying one for grandma!
Reminds me a of the Honda crosstour
I WANT THE CROWN SEDAN!!!!
There is NOTHING about this design that is prestigious or deserving of the Crown name.
it should have it's own new engine &
Hybrid System
Lucky to live in a country where this wonder of automotive Japanese industry, comes year after year, is my opinion this brand doesn’t fit in America.
Is like to try to adapt a ford mustang in Japan.
The philosophy behind the real crown is exclusively to Japanese way of thinking, which is opposed to America’s.
It is a sacrilege to bring such a unique brand to a society that doesn’t understand the value of this brand.
The real Toyota Crown is not just a car.
Is a blend of refinement , durability and luxury but on the interpretation of Japan philosophy.
How many will consider buying a GT 500 made in China?.
Every hands that touch that sheet metal,most be American,because there’s a vibes that comes from the love and pride of the guys who make this icon of American muscle.
Same thing happening with the Crown.
If you don’t understand what’s behind the Crown..?
Is a very prestigious brand
For all of that , I don’t think , this market idea will last.
Just like the Supra
Another Toyota Legend ,been misplaced.
My right ear is alone in hearing this one! Anyone else?
I hope swapping the front Toyota badge for the Crown emblem will be an easy job.
Oh glad this is not a hatchback model !!!
The Toyota two-motor planetary hybrid system also has been more efficient....
In the Camry LE it's rated for 52 MPG.
For a Toyota sedan, pricing is way too high.
They should of never put a cvt into the cheapest trim. It will push away alot of buyers ...not everyone can spend another 10 grand to just have a real automatic transmission .it might be a great vehicle but 50 grand?
Why did my brain think this should be in Cyberpunk 2077
I like it, looks like a porsche and muscular model
Good tech and bones, but lackluster interior and exterior design. Interior accoutrements lacking, minimal color selection, and trim dressings. I'll wait for the redesign of Lexus ES350 before I commit. Was hoping "The Crown" would live up to its moniker.
Toyota lost so many customers with the lower stance on the camerys.
While the Toyota Crown looks nice, I am still very happy with my 2020 Avalon XLE. I will not be changing my Avalon.
I feel like this still isn't even as good as a Mazda 6 5 model years later...
Yeah I loved the 6. I had strongly considered the signature model. But the tight rear seat, small trunk, low quality 360 cam, and the touchscreen locking you out when the transmission is in drive prevented me from choosing it
@@naveenthemachine The rear seat is bigger than most SUVs and only the Sonata at the time had more space. The trunk is pretty big and has one of the largest passthroughs of any of the other sedans. Hard to beat. These new cars are only focused on the size of a touchscreen and the rest of the packaging seems to be poorly thought out.
We want the NX 🤔
Or wait for the Crown Estate? It has a lift gate.
If any of this is real then the fact that the “wagon” model doesn’t come to the US is a tragedy.