The real Tekken 8 starts now.
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- 00:00 Intro
02:40 Technical updates
03:30 System changes
11:25 Alisa
11:53 Asuka
13:07 Azucena
14:48 Bryan
15:53 Devil Jin
16:36 Dragonuv
17:21 Eddy
18:45 Feng Wei
20:06 Hwoarang
22:31 Jack-8
24:03 Jin
24:42 Jun
25:57 Kazuya
33:08 King
37:30 Kuma/Panda
37:41 Lars
38:00 Law
38:37 Lee
39:38 Leo
40:52 Leroy
41:42 Lili SORRY I FORGOT SS+4 CH
46:07 Nina
46:34 Paul
50:09 Raven
51:23 Reina
53:01 Shaheen
54:53 Steve
57:59 Victor
01:02:00 Xiayou
01:02:14 Yoshimitsu
01:03:44 Zafina
01:04:04 Final thoughts
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I'm PhiDX, I play Tekken professionally for DSG, Chipotle, and ArcadeShock. - Ігри
CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS
- Lili SS+4 might be really good. I was busy dooming my bad 😅
I have an idea. Parries guide.
In T3, it all seemed very straightforward. Most of the parries did damage, there were "chickens", okay. Somewhere around Leroy, I lost track. Autoparry this, autoparry that, then add that you have parries that guarantee some attacks and require inputs, parries that don't... I guess every character just learns its own, but maybe a neat tutorial or a tierlist would make sense. Have a good one
Dooming over king and downplaying one of the best in the game huh. Typical Tekken player
“Don’t defend yourself on twitter, kill them in ranked” is a very based line I recommend
Glaze
We made it out of the beta 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Bro, the fact that we survived the dark ages is kinda dope in a way.
This was the first FG I got in on the ground level, the ride was wild.
@@TheXellyou got to experience it all
...2 more years, I feel like.
Tekken 7 spent 1 year and a half in Japan's arcades getting tweaked over and over before it reached consoles. Then a few months before that being loc tested.
Tekken 6 base also spent a while before BR version got released.
What I'm saying is, this is a fine start, but we're barely out of the woods yet.
It wasn't even as bad as people were saying. Fgc is a bunch of whiners
"If somebody is complaining, it gives you a clue about what makes your character good. Take advantage of that..." - PhiDX 2024
But people complaining about everything though
@Drakester671 Yeah, in SF I main Marisa and the amount of times I've been called carried when the character has some massive weaknesses in her moveset and she hasn't even dominated many tournaments.
So happy they revamped Azu to be the stance character she was obviously supposed to be
Yeah man she looks genuinely sick
She could already do swaggy stuff but now with they repurposed her she’s functioning how she was intended
Fr, I used her in her chapter mode and she has so many cool moves I see absolutely no one using
Heat Burst not being able to KO someone is actually huge really happy about that change in particular
I can’t wait to heat burst then jab my opponents
it’s really stupid that you can power crush through it and parry it..
@@rqx999 I’ll allow the parry but power crushes don’t need to be doing more. Tekken is getting way too many 2D fighting game elements and it’s annoying. It’s also funny because people complained about the 2D characters then the devs work to remove a dimension of movement from the game
I know it's a good change but dammit I've been abusing that tactic for so loong!
@@alexandermccalla5098power crushes can get lowed/thrown/powercrush/raged
What other options you need
the buffs on Paul are terrifying.
I don’t feel like Paul should have gotten any buffs. It’s crazy to buff an already high damage character imo
@@Solavation Damage isn't everything. Paul's strength was safety + high damage previously. Well, in Tekken 8 everyone has tons of safe shit that does a million damage. Yeah, getting launched by a deathfist in heat sucks, but most of the cast can do similar numbers at this point. Reina does the same kind of damage. Bryan does the same kind of damage. Claudio, Jin, King, you name them. Those who don't, like Kazuya, can compensate with highly rewarding setups that exploit frame traps, momentum, evasion, plus on block situations or a combination of those.
He is also trickier to play than you'd think for a series of factors (the same move having different purposes depending on the range you do it at, the fact that you don't get an "easy" kbd due to backsway and the fact that while backsway options are good they do require you to be creative rather than mindlessly flowchart).
You can play caveman Paul and just do df2 all day and think "wow, why would they buff this guy". Then you get tu Fujin and suddenly your experience will be "How the fuck do I open people up now".
@@Solavationhe definitely needed some buffs but boy howdy did they give him a lot 😂
@@rensmasteredarchives6796 d1 is how you open people up. It has always been his way to open people up. 14 frames and very good reach the it used to be +2 and that was enough its probably +4 or +5 now lol
Trust d1 is the way.
@@rensmasteredarchives6796Except Bryan at least gets punished on every key move if not launched/wall splat punished. Bryan still has the worst hatchet kick/move despite the execution and lack of frames/reward his gives. Getting Paul and Bryan’s combo damage was always more difficult than the rest of the cast.
Bryan just now with this patch got an improvement to part of what used to be his identity, counterhit and keep out. So many characters have a better counterhit game and over half the cast has better keep out than Bryan to include Paul. Bryan still can’t get in on players when they turtle with life leads or maintain offense…Paul and Kaz can on top of the much better mix up moves and their damage! Bryan’s ONE buff in how 1,2,1 now reacts on ch is very welcomed. The taunt and everything else are things that should’ve been/were once normal. Only intermediate and above Bryan’s will notice any of his positive changes.
6:24 - " Avoid Reddit, I recommend that " 😂😂
If "learn the matchup" was a hive mind. Not always ofc but the subreddit can be pretty elitist more often than not, ngl.
it's a good advice in general.
people there unironically say that feng and reina are dead now after the patches 🤣
i spent the 2 first months of tekken 8 release over there and when i delete Reddit i felt like half of my brain didn't work from listening to tekken Redditors
I deleted Reddit this past week finally. It got so tiring to come back to.
I always knew king was a mishima
this guy’s passion and enthusiasm for Tekken motivates me even more to learn the game. Love the in depth analysis and understanding for the game
He seems generally to be a really nice guy.
well it is his job
@@yoshuv9758 having passion can push you to work harder, but you don’t become passionate purely because it’s your job to do something.
Just my two cents, don't worry about making them shorter. Obviously subjective but I enjoy longer content talks like this, lets me put on something and just listen while I do housework without having to constantly be finding a new video on my phone.
Seconded. I love long videos like this.
I third this.
Facts
Dish washing is so much better with something to look over at every once in a while without having to dry off my hands
Quick note on why they removed Bryan taunt scaling is because heat dash at the wall used to give +18 which was a guaranteed taunt for Bryan.
Now that it doesn't anymore they felt that the scaling wasn't necessary anymore
13:51 "The thickness, THE GIRTH"
-PhiDX
I don’t see the difference. Everyone still mashing
It hasn't even been a day 😂
People think a patch is gonna save them from being bad at a game.
Getting smack around huh 😂
3:09 this is the biggest change for me holy shit. I'm ass at recording anything in this game.
I also wish they let us save the actions that we recorded for example if I recorded the Speedkicks' Law drill I could just save all of my recorded actions as a preset and the next time I'm in practice mode I could just apply this preset and don't have to re record everything.
I would also love the ability to be able to share/upload these presets and they would work the same as battle replays i.e just the inputs being shared and downloaded so that we could just download drills that other people have come up with and shared.
The change to Bryan's (1,2),1 behavior on counter hit is actually pretty great, imo. That used to only give really awkward, bad combos previously, but now it has the same crumple as CH 3+4 which leads to significantly better damage and wall carry. Definitely makes getting CH there much scarier than it was before.
Bryan’s changes only affect the intermediate and above Bryan players (I’m personally not complaining!), his changes and the 1,2,1 buff won’t make him any more desirable to play for folks who don’t main him already…and I like that 😎.
Alisa's chainsaws - Crazy that they weren't touched tbh
Here is a tip. When they start doing that nonsense. Just grab. Slight window to sneak a grab in.
You can jab her too and lock her out of using them. Also, if you get up in her face she has a harder time using her mobility.
All they had to do was reduce the chip damage
@@herpderp4078 reduce the frames lol
As an Alisa main, its way to easy to beat her, all you have to do is block mid, all her attacks or mid or high. She has very telegraphed lows, really easy to beat
The real Tekken really begins now. I have been handing over an asskicking to those purple and blue rank flowcharters. Welcome back sidestepping and thank God for evading command throws.
All Reina nerfs I completely blame Anakin for I know for a fact everyone watched his video and every mirror match I fought with Reina spammed that forward forward 2 move. They basically killed it themselves. For the most part I’m not to hurt but I def think it’s not fair that my rolls are no longer considered crouching so people can just literally jab me and put me In a combo cause I rolled? Seems like they just made it more like your supposed to mix up with rolls which is kinda annoying cause I felt like the rolls were under utilized in the first place
Yeah I was already getting hit out of the rolls like 70% of the time lol, I don't think I'm ever going to use them now.
As a reina main who didn't abuse ff2, agreed. I think people hyped it up way too much.
bro thanks for taking the time to do content please never stop, other people are so half ass at explaining things you do a perfect job on making it understandable and entertaining too, my adhd brain is very grateful
Claudio’s 2 1 2 in starburst change is a huge buff to his combo damage and wall carry
Came here to say this, nobody understands Claudio lol. His buffs in this patch are definitely not nothing. People are going to notice losing half their life bar off a single frame trap
The Claudio glow up
Yup, pretty much spot on!
The game has matured a bit, and Namco has nerfed the strongest characters, and buffed the weakest, and promised not to do further changes.
The worst game-gimmicks and OP mechanics have been toned down and the game feels a bit more professional and not too scrubby.
Now the real grinding can begin.
As a Steve main, I used to pray for times like this 😭
I might join yall lol 😂 I got Jun to Garyu because she was easy to use for a new player but Steve got them hands lol
Steve stocks up omm🔥
@@nt3xplain I’m telling you once you learn how to win with Steve it makes picking up any other character so easy
Steve do got them hands, join the gang, guv.
One side effect of the Steve fc df2 buff is that you can now launch between the hits of Alisa’s hellsweep (i16 interrupts the second hit, i17 trades)
Great vid PhiDX, love your analytical way of breaking things done. Makes big patches like this easier to digest. Especially for new players
Great stuff, phi. Thanks! ❤
I started playing Paul a couple of weeks ago, saw his patchnotes, and then I went like "my god.... oOo;". It's freaking awesome! :D
They made f,F+2 safe cause all the extensions are delayable. So Asuka gets more safe string mixups. It's a pretty underrated move, but now hopefully people start using it.
Buffing asuka was so unnecessary
@@exiledhebrew1994Don’t worry Asuka mains will say all the buffs are useless and the char is still unusable. Most Asuke mains still think the character is low damage lmao.
@@Phoenix-ff4leshe needs it bro trust me Im an asuka main (dont trust me Im an asuka main)
@@Phoenix-ff4le lol; she has Tsunade strength now
@@exiledhebrew1994 She been had it bro, my homie been doing 90 dmg off a launcher with wall splat since launch week. Asuka is no joke.
Glad to hear Nina wasn't changed that much. She’s still going to be insane. Haven’t tested anything yet as I haven’t played in a few days, but excited to get home later and see how everything is.
She’s still good
Yeah, I went on a 7 game win streak first time playing in 6 days. lol
Yeah, Rip made the point in his stream on the patch notes that Nina doesn't have any really obviously messed-up moves you can point to (like e.g. Victor did with the power crush + running 2 + Expulsion) so she was less likely to eat significant nerfs. As a non-player myself, i would've said Blonde Bomber if i had to pick one such move for Nina (and maybe Wipe the Floor after seeing what Arslan was doing with it) - and whaddaya know, those were the ones that got relevant nerfs!
I watched a handful of videos yesterday and this is by far the best explanation of the patch changes in a shorter and digestible manner. Glad to hear from the best teacher yet again!
Looking forward to seeing how this shakes things up
I’m sure someone has already pointed it out but Lee’s rising 2,3 into heat burst was like a prayer every time. They extended the range just for that. Honestly they could have nerfed lee across the board otherwise and Lee mains still would have been celebrating lol
good god finally - practice mode saves settings \o/
As a yoshi main, and especially just a general stance character enthusiast, Im very happy
Same, I always wanted the new stance transitions and he finally got them and I'm content
As a stereotypical purple dragu scrub from t7, the downwards hitbox extension for wr2 (and even df4) is more than enough to make up for no longer being able to open-whiff b4 for free :) always felt like I couldn't trust his offense with low-profilers!
Much love for being the go-to for tekken content with a brain, keep it up Phi!
46:40 hey Paul main here (2k matches, Tekken King) he is “good” because of his strong defensive moves. But to consistently pull off high level defensive play in this game is super difficult and almost exhausting. Sometimes it feels like you hold back for 10 seconds just to try your luck with his “strong” moves just to lose turn again or be power crushed. While you have many stances and transitions, people after Purple ranks know the setups and how to option select beat them. So it really felt like Paul was falling behind every character in the sense of being on your face and maintaining an offensive. So the changes to distance from heat engagers and follow ups from knockdowns are very welcome. I agree with you tho even I can’t see where that 13f launcher came from but ig we’ll see what happens :) and thanks for the video super helpful
An example of what I meant with losing turn with strong moves is, using old uf2 or f1+2. You had some +frames but you ended up so far away it was basically neutral again lol
Fire analysis! Thanks for this. I will definitely be going back through it in the future for a reference. Steve mains ate good this time. Unfortunate that pkb d2 is techable after heat dash tho. But hey, Sonic Fang from crouch is crazy.
Yo Phi, I haven't quite tested it yet, but I believe that the While Rising 3 being +6 now is to make it more reliable hit confirmable? could be wrong
Great video phi, thanks for making it
How cool I get to see this game evolve in real time. I'm glad I got to play the builds with the overpowered Azucene attacks in all. I'm actually going to miss the unique feeling of sidestep ducking and full punishing her running 3,2.
And I have that be a part of the legacy and with the community was all focused on is I really enjoyable part of seeing the game advance. The tournaments have already been crazy and fun and as a legacy player of over 26 years I can immediately tell these changes are moving in the right direction to make it even more enjoyable
Very excited that Paul got some great buffs.
@PhiDX I discovered the move changes has allowed Victor to have a new combo route that does 90 damage minimum no wall required! The exact combo is (any floater) df42, iai 2, df42, iai 42 (new way to spin), db11, perfumer 1+2 which leads into a guaranteed ff2. I’m trying new wall combo routes for him involving perfumer 1+2 as well
Victor stance stuff seems sick I can’t wait to try it out!
People hate on him so much but I love playing as him
He gets to much hate when you realize that other characters are way better then him In my opinion
@@eliprochet57 soooooo true
The devs confirming that Victor was a “easy to use character” with essentially braindead offence. 😂
Yoshi madness let's gooooooooo
Hwoarang got shafted hard and I'm crying rn
I agree Phi, glad after all this time, Kazuya finally got added into Tekken 8, and for free too.
Thanks Murray, you're a real nice guy.
fix kazuya nice fellow
FIX KAZUYA you-
:)
@@ArchieGamez good fellow
edit: :)
But they didn't help Devil Jin enough...
@@crayolaandruby4303ill say it for yall... fix kazuya nga ( i don't even play him)
Thanks for the super fast patch analysis, coach! My main barely got touched, and got buffed overall imho. 😎
"Heat burst cannot KO"
This change alone made me totally confident they know what they're doing and Tekken 8 will keep on getting better.
Stepped a heat burst today. Felt like Tekken again
Look at y'all happy for nerfs cause y'all not good at the game 😂
@@superbadisfunmy Get outta here, scrub. Acting like you're better than Knee or Arslan who complained about heat burst activation being too strong.
14:25 is Legendary
51:45 That Reina imitation
clip it and ship it, new sub notification pls
Bryan's CH on the last hit of 1,2,1 is actually super good, the reward is so much better for landing it. Also the increased range for mach kick and d4 is hella good.
Some good Azucena buffs to point out:
Lib2 now wall splats and went up to 14 damage from 11
BT3 now tailspins adding more versatility (and damage) to her juggles
The hwoarang ws2 could be a bigger buff in certain matchups as it’s increased range means he’s a lot better at ducking and launching highs
The 3f added recovery for both players on Jin’s zen u1 is worth mentioning I think, I found that weirdly difficult to launch for some reason and it was like the bane of my existence in the Jin mirror lol
also i have to add i’m going to miss king’s old wavedash, i loved messing around with it for fun and always got hype seeing other people do it
The GEN 3 situation for Jun is definitely a solid buff. On hit you can pretty go for whatever FC mixup you want because of the threat of a counter hit WS 2.
38:52 the heat burst range increase for Lee was done to make his i14 ws launch consistent, it would drop like crazy before
As a Paul Main this patch was a huge win but he’s still legacy mode compared to other characters. Been training with Jin in spare time
All three of my characters got buffed, let's go
Excited for these patches sounds way more balanced. I can’t wait to get off work so I can play. Thanks for detailing the changes!
I love King, and I play Jun and Nina too. I very much enjoy it when you go off on us. Please continue, good Sir.
Just making sur ebut heat burst is the t pose then hit move right? Heat smash is the basically super they do by expending all of their heat right?
So heat smash can still kill but not the little hit that nirmally acts as a combo extender.
Correct
I play Kazuya and love your videos, man. I'd genuinely love to see how you approach piloting Kazuya. Seriously, I'm trash and need a PhiDX Conceptual Guide to Kazuya.
I play Azucena, Raven, and Victor and I’m pretty happy about all of the changes they got. Especially Victors changes. Being more of a stance/read character is makes him look and play cooler IMO
I'm only halfway through this video but I'll comment for the algo. Great content as usual
King is The King of Iron Fist Tournament
As a Hwoarang main, I am a bit sad about those nerfs. I think you could have mentioned the slight buff to his parry tracking or definitely his WS 3 buff of making the net damage standard to 22 whether the opponent is mid-air or on ground now.
As someone who mains king and Djin i see this as an absolute win.
A note, all command throws can be stepped to the right, 2 breaks cannot be stepped to the left, so if youre stepping, keep in mind on a step left have your 2 breaks ready
Now maybe i can get my Yoshi to Bushin👀
Where should I go to get more in depth learning about Victor?
Hi Phi!
Love your videos and big fan. Wanted to share this message as a thank you for covering this Patch Notes because as a newer player it is quite hard to understand all the changes.
For anyone else reading this I also want to share my take on Kazuya buffs.
I also am a Kazuya main. I will be honest, you are not wrong about Kazuya downplayers. Some people who play this character need to learn to play his strengths and find ways to get away from situations where he's weak. My main gripe with the character pre patch was honestly just his inconsistent combos (being slightly off axis meant you couldn't do your mid 70 damage combo options).
I will admit CD1+2 sounded pretty nasty to me as well when I read the patch notes. I can imagine this being reverted and wouldn't be mad at that. In corner this will be horrible to go against I imagine. I'd hope it gets changed however it was pretty useless before buff. I think the move just needs a solid identity that isn't oppressive. A couple moves seem this way to me where they are completely useless (not even niche) to go for besides... aesthetic? Besides that, 1+4 being usable more in Heat now might also be strong. I think that's probably the strongest most underrated move. Personally, I would have taken a change for WS44 or DF44 to be neutral or slightly + on hit (it's -5 OH). FF2 unga bunga brain changes are good for overall neutral health although I think Devil Jin's FF2 shouldn't have been nerfed. The pushback was pretty good, even too good and it still is safe. Making his wavedash mixup game more oppressive seems like an odd direction to me. The universal nerf to Heat Dash wall staggers being +18 is also is a welcome nerf to Kazuya.
You do have to admit though, Kazuya having an inconsistent combo game while being hard to execute was pretty trash (even Execution gods agreed that they were inconsistent). I hope every character that has these types of problems get fixes especially if they are heavy execution. This is honestly the thing I wanted more than anything besides a 112 (Flash Punch) hitbox fix. Quality of life changes with cancelling Heat consuming options are very welcome. CD44 is still pretty useless as CD41 gives better oki for 3 less damage. Many Kazuya players wanted damage buffs but personally I think the current solution of hitbox fixes are fine because now we actually have consistency and access to our high damage options. Oddly enough, 3 Electric combos do less damage than 2 Electric combos. 4 Electric combos are the hardest hitting combos leading to 102 damage if carried to wall.
I'm a king main, it doesn't bother me at all, you are one of my tekken senseis and i'm learning a lot from you!
i love yoshi, i hope they fixed the issue where when you parry with 1+2 sometimes is not guarantied
Tekken is back. Finally.
King main but i loved the king segment thanks for the help
thanks man!
The reason for the heat burst range buff for lee was to make ws 2 3 into heat burst reliable cause it would whiff previously in a lot of situations as a lee main that's a big w
Been loving the Mishimas so far, guess now i gotta pick up King since he's a Mishima now
Im liking the title!
I rank up and down between colors and the game repeats itself saying that it's my first time ranking to a certain rank. Does this happen to others on PC?
Phi I can't say how much I appreciate comprehensive breakdowns like this without all of Mainmanswe's BS ignoring or dragging down characters he doesn't like. Even the characters you don't like you deep dive as is appropriate.
PhiDx’s, you have the beast taïdo kick on UA-cam I saw from a Tekken player.😂
38:50 - Lee's ws2,3 into Heat Burst frequently whiffed against some characters or after ducking certain moves, so this change is to try and make that combo more consistent.
To do the wave dash previously for king you had to remove the neutral from the input now it easier and I enjoy that don’t need tracking when I can
bryan ch 121's angle is changed allowing for very consistent combos and wall carry, which is nice but not mentioned in the video
Yeah, affects the Bryan player more than the defender imo
@@PhiDX thats fair, 121 was already plenty scary to press into haha
I’m a passionate kazuya Main, and you’ve never given kaz Mains any reason not to like you, phi. You’re awesome.
Thanks for this video! I have a hard time understanding the changes on my own, and this helped me understand so much better
Glad game becomes more balanced for all. Good update 👍🏻
Updat, Paul is absolutely ridiculous right now
Phi u forgot to link the patchnotes just a heads up
No, not ALL King's chain grabs are still homing. In fact, only mostly useless stuff now has homing. JS1+4 and JS2+3 are, indeed, very useful, but the fact that they're homing is not important, it basically an oki tool. Situations where King pressures you with JS in neutral just don't exist.
His cd1+4 and cd2+3 are now steppable and are pretty long in terms of frames. New wavedash is supposed to help him with that. It's not weak, but it's not "pff, very fun, King's chain grabs are homing, sigh" type of thing.
"How do you say this without looking sus- He's pumping his sword, okay?! That's just what it is."
😂
They changed the thickness, the girth huh! No pause huh! ok, Phi! 🤣🤣🤣13:52
Lovely
Hey phi I want to play more defense, but anytime I try to play reactively and punish I basically throw away rounds compared to running unga offense. I got to raijin and it’s my first tekken but want to improve more in that aspect.
It's an attacking game! I'm having to change a lot of my game
I'm ngl I wish they also made it so that certain moves (Alisa chainsaws) don't do an absurd about of chip damage + also nerfed Heat Smash (imo i dont think Heat Smash should be Reversal Breaks) but that's abt it
Yesssah!
33:12
"All the King-mains hate me too!"
Naw man, we lova ya Phi!
In fact, c'mere and let me give you a hug...
Kazuya Mishima: Finally...time to dominate