I believe the evidence for Angel being genderfluid is still in a speedpaint of Angel that Viv did on her UA-cam. I recall her mentioning it in that video's description as saying something to the effect of "I just don't see him as genderfluid, just a guy who likes drag and feminine clothes". It should still be up for anybody who wants to look for it, I came across the information while binging her speedpaint content in mid 2020.
@@topazbennett95 owah thanks for enlightening me to this video >:] i dont rlly check through vivzie's channel so i feel glad to know she has many banger videos
I mean a whole essay could be written about how problematic it is that flamboyant men or masculine women are PRESUMED to be some other gender, rather than just being a dude who's feminine or a chick who's masculine. But that's a whole other topic. Angel is just a dude that likes dressing up, and he's not any less of a guy because of it, nor is he a guy in spite of it.
@@jadecoolness101 See, I'm all for the genderfluid rep, but I think it was a wise choice to distinguish the idea of Angel as a drag performer vs Angel doing drag to express his gender fluidity. There are gender fluid people who do drag, but there is a certain bias among cishet audiences that doing drag is just what being gender fluid just is in its entirety, and I think Viv wanted to avoid that potentially harmful messaging. I think the current set up we have in the Hazbin cast is perfectly servicable, since we have a range of characters who express at all different points on the gender spectrum and have a large diversity of orientations on top of that. That way if a character is more stereotypically feminine and also gay like Angel we have characters who still buck that trend, so the representation comes off as more authentic since its not just one gay character embodying all the gay tropes.
I imagine it probably won't be an absolute factor in the show, but I really hope she still uses the feral/creature-like forms for some scenes in Hazbin. It can create some REALLY interesting scenes and build up to really show just how demonic these demon characters can get. Plus, terrifying animated creatures are a plus in my book.
I think they'll keep that. The pilot and Alastor's prequel comic hint to it with Alastor having a clearly more demonic secondary form that he can morph in and out of at will. Similar for Charlie, with her temporarily growing horns, having red scleras, and all of her teeth becoming sharp for a moment during her musical number.
yea I definitely agree! I also think it could create rly interesting emotional scenes since it was mentioned that they turn into those forms when scared/excited? If they keep that concept that is
Viv already put a creature/final demon form transformation in Helluva Boss episode 6 (with Stolas), so it's likely that we'll see more of it in the future at some point
Glad to know I wasn't the only one who caught it. It doesn't really bother me either way, but I like knowing at least SOME of my memory is still good. lol
@@AngelCnderDreamer cis is a shortening of the term cisgender. Cisgender is the opposite of transgender, it is a person who identifies with the gender associated with their sex (ie a girl who is not trans; a cis girl)
I remember being a really big fan of Angel Dust a few years ago when I first found his concept stuff. one thing I found really interesting about his character was that, originally, the duller the pink in his fur appeared, the soberer he was; so this meant that Angel was almost never sober. I just thought that was kinda a fun concept but understand if it was changed before Hazbin Hotel's pilot
As a really old fan of vivz the 2016 one probably is the best one considering he actually had more detail than now hes simplified to fit animation. With the hat the gun his suit
@@geeswithane7yrago303 , Yeah, everybody has their preferences. :). I’m actually not a fan of the design you mentioned because to me it looks far too plain. It gives Angel a boring type of look. His current design is bright and looks good on him. 👌. I just prefer his current design’s coloring. I haven’t known of Vivziepop until pretty recently. I very recently looked at her old stuff, but I prefer her newest stuff. The designs are better and the drawing talent is better. In my opinion.
I agree with that sentence of trying to balance old Angel dust with him constantly pranking and always screaming is pretty difficult anyways im glad that Vivz toned down Angel's character.
I think she only toned him down a little bit by the time Hazbin Hotel rolled around. Not a whole lot. He's still got some interesting things about him, just look at the "Addict" music video.
Yeah now she has a generic looking outfit and her color palette is no different from anyone else's, I can understand why because animation is hard as hell but still, I liked her pilot design better :(
maybe with the use of the Wayback Machine we can see Vivs old work before it was all wiped out. I don’t know exactly what I would look up but i definitely think it could be a helpful resource
I remember the old site, it featured a lot of her zoophobia characters too, it was character bios and the pictures of the characters often had an animated blinking motion
What’s cool, they do confirm on multiple occasions that he is gay throughout the pilot, but address the elephant in the room with his sex work through the comics that he COULD sleep with women but it’ll be an extra cost. Otherwise, he’s an entirely gay character. I appreciate Viv’s details, lots of show don’t tell, especially in the representation department 😁👌🏼
I knew about viv since like 2013 or 14 hard to say, but I used to look at ALL of her art stuff whenever I had the chance, hazbin hotel, zoophobia. But I never expected angel to come so far, she did a great job with his growth but still keeping him as chaotic from when I first saw his sketches
I wasn’t around for any of the early character concepts for hazbin (I was too young to even know what tumblr was XD) so it’s rly interesting to see how long it’s been in the works and how much the characters have changed! I love angel as he is now, but theres just somethin about 2014 feral angel that’s just *chefs kiss*
I remember seeing all of angels past designs on Vivzie’s deviantart around 2016 before she nuked her account, she has a few stray art pieces she left up, but the majority is deleted. Really sad.
It's amazing how much Angel has changed, and how many of the images you managed to find of him! It's genuinely impressive =0 And his scared form looks so cool!
Basically Angel just became an actual character, the original version is veeeeeeery edgy and has that very distinct 2010-2015 feel to it somehow, exactly the kind of character my edgy ass would have adored back then
God do I hope there’s a episode of Hazbin hotel where we go through angel’s old family photos or something and having him get embarrassed by his “Emo phase” That’d just take the cake
I remember a point when he and vaggie were a thing and that cherri and him were gonna be dad and daughter. Glad they changed this but I wish they didn't change cherri and angel not being related since they got this family like bond
God, I’d love a gag in the show where people assume that Vaggie and Angel are a couple and the two would just gag at the comment in disgust. It would be a fun little reference to the fact that they were a couple during early development.
This is a very elaborate and well-made video on the history of Angel Dust, but... 4:45 Is anybody going to mention Beta!Alastor munching on bunnies here!? XD
I still think of him with Vaggie just because, even though their relationship was never truly animated, what we did see has so much chemistry. Pan, bi, whatever, I love him with Vaggie.
4 minutes and 36 seconds in. Blitzo seems to have gained possession of that box of spiders. Did he steal it? Did he buy it off him? Did Angel lose the box and Blitzo found it? So many unanswered questions.
I agree with most of this. I can't confirm the gender fluid fact, but I got turned onto HH from my Cousin way back (the same design time period that you said you got into it). I really liked the idea of (what I heard at the time was he was male and gay) an openly gay male character that was crazy and violent (he seemed very fun, kinda Joker like). So seeing the evolution of my first and favorite HH character as a reminder (with some things I didn't know too) was really cool. Great video.👍
I discovered Viv’s work in 2017. And I personally prefer the old canon where Vaggie was supposed to be his love interest. I feel like his old design made sense to me.
Maybe it would have been better for some. But I really like his new version. Not many characters get shown like he is now. Also moxie from helluva boss. He bi but it’s not really important
@@lizaramirez-garcia5944 it’s just that his older design really stood out with the mauve purple. Now he just looks like Neapolitan ice cream. Just saying
I like him being gay, idk why I'd want another straight couple (it'd also destroy Vaggie and Charlie so also getting rid of the lesbian rep unless people expect Vivzi to pull another female love interest out of her @ss) especially with him and Vaggie, it'd also make the Valintino situation with Angel being a gay p0rnstar who f*cks his boss null and void, unless you expect Angel to ACTUALLY date someone in first place, and still be a c0cksleeve. I mean, think of how many things would have to be completely changed...
His old designs are freaky af. Also, Vaggie as a lesbian knight protecting her angelic princess >>>> Vaggie as a straight action girl who acts tsundete whenever she sees Angel Dust. If you want a straight couples, we already got Moxxie and Millie, Lucifer and Lilith. Also, we barely get nice gay reps in cartoons, please us have Angel Dust and Vaggie.
I don’t like Angel now. Not really his personality or design but it isn’t that bad. Nothing wrong with being feminine, but when he was more crazy and masculine, I liked him more. Especially this design. 7:13
Agreed. I love his 2013-2015 concept when he used to be this batshit crazy mafia guy, because it just made more sense with his past, and he actually looked like he was from the mafia. Now he's just a pink twink.
O my god now i know why angel only have two eyes unlike his brother, i was thinking in spiders then i realized he may be inspired in the jumping spider or de ogre faced spider that hace 2 giant eyes with other little 4 in the side maybe that was the idea it makes sense at least for me
hey so having been dealing with frequent crashes, I know how to handle a window crashing taking all tabs with 'em ctrl+shift+t opens the last closed tab, meaning you can keep pressing it until you've restored all the closed tabs (assuming you use chrome, idk if it works on other search engines)
@@loonathehellhound5101 my first one? the one i drew? the gacha face? the furry i drew? pico x keith cringe one? maid pico? ena? freddy fazbear? senpai?
I believe the evidence for Angel being genderfluid is still in a speedpaint of Angel that Viv did on her UA-cam. I recall her mentioning it in that video's description as saying something to the effect of "I just don't see him as genderfluid, just a guy who likes drag and feminine clothes". It should still be up for anybody who wants to look for it, I came across the information while binging her speedpaint content in mid 2020.
FOUND IT: ua-cam.com/video/bzww_9DNl40/v-deo.html
@@topazbennett95 Thanks so much! I appreciate you dug this up for me. It gets a little tough to sift through all of the info after a while.
@@topazbennett95 owah thanks for enlightening me to this video >:] i dont rlly check through vivzie's channel so i feel glad to know she has many banger videos
I mean a whole essay could be written about how problematic it is that flamboyant men or masculine women are PRESUMED to be some other gender, rather than just being a dude who's feminine or a chick who's masculine. But that's a whole other topic.
Angel is just a dude that likes dressing up, and he's not any less of a guy because of it, nor is he a guy in spite of it.
@@jadecoolness101 See, I'm all for the genderfluid rep, but I think it was a wise choice to distinguish the idea of Angel as a drag performer vs Angel doing drag to express his gender fluidity. There are gender fluid people who do drag, but there is a certain bias among cishet audiences that doing drag is just what being gender fluid just is in its entirety, and I think Viv wanted to avoid that potentially harmful messaging.
I think the current set up we have in the Hazbin cast is perfectly servicable, since we have a range of characters who express at all different points on the gender spectrum and have a large diversity of orientations on top of that. That way if a character is more stereotypically feminine and also gay like Angel we have characters who still buck that trend, so the representation comes off as more authentic since its not just one gay character embodying all the gay tropes.
Also Angels chest used to have a skull but now it’s a heart which is interesting
Yeah, the character changed alot
Angel went really went through a "It's not a phase mom!" phase.
@@totallycheckers6494 lol, he went through an emo phase.
@@liviwaslost I wish I was there when he went through his emo phase, that would of been such an amazing journey while going through my emo phase 😂
He went from beint more murderous to being more sexual in a way
Proto angel: chaotic bugs bunny
Angel now: sad clown
He isn’t a sad clown... what? His life is sad yeah he in hell but he an upbeat person in other things
That’s just it though; his carefree demeanor is all just an act to protect himself
@@lizaramirez-garcia5944 sad clown.
@@lizaramirez-garcia5944 Bruh, you just showed the definition of sad clown.
But we love him for that.
I do like Angel’s cream white and wine colour palette.
I imagine it probably won't be an absolute factor in the show, but I really hope she still uses the feral/creature-like forms for some scenes in Hazbin. It can create some REALLY interesting scenes and build up to really show just how demonic these demon characters can get.
Plus, terrifying animated creatures are a plus in my book.
I think they'll keep that. The pilot and Alastor's prequel comic hint to it with Alastor having a clearly more demonic secondary form that he can morph in and out of at will. Similar for Charlie, with her temporarily growing horns, having red scleras, and all of her teeth becoming sharp for a moment during her musical number.
I would love to see a feral sir pent. Im a sucker for snakes
yea I definitely agree! I also think it could create rly interesting emotional scenes since it was mentioned that they turn into those forms when scared/excited? If they keep that concept that is
Viv already put a creature/final demon form transformation in Helluva Boss episode 6 (with Stolas), so it's likely that we'll see more of it in the future at some point
I don’t remember the originally website but I do remember the post with vivzie saying that she’s changing angel from gender fluid to cis
Glad to know I wasn't the only one who caught it. It doesn't really bother me either way, but I like knowing at least SOME of my memory is still good. lol
Angel Dust being a feminine male gives me so much validity as a masculine female
Cis? I am not familair to that term. ^ ^"
@@AngelCnderDreamer cis is a shortening of the term cisgender. Cisgender is the opposite of transgender, it is a person who identifies with the gender associated with their sex (ie a girl who is not trans; a cis girl)
@@Sinc3r3ly Ah I see. o: Thank you for answering my question. ^ ^
I remember being a really big fan of Angel Dust a few years ago when I first found his concept stuff. one thing I found really interesting about his character was that, originally, the duller the pink in his fur appeared, the soberer he was; so this meant that Angel was almost never sober. I just thought that was kinda a fun concept but understand if it was changed before Hazbin Hotel's pilot
Angel’s current design is the best design of him, OF ALL. 👌. I had NO IDEA he had looked SO DIFFERENT at first. 😲😲
7:10 I like the current one and all, but.. my favorite is this version.
@@redpanda6497 same
As a really old fan of vivz the 2016 one probably is the best one considering he actually had more detail than now hes simplified to fit animation. With the hat the gun his suit
@@geeswithane7yrago303 , Yeah, everybody has their preferences. :). I’m actually not a fan of the design you mentioned because to me it looks far too plain. It gives Angel a boring type of look. His current design is bright and looks good on him. 👌. I just prefer his current design’s coloring. I haven’t known of Vivziepop until pretty recently. I very recently looked at her old stuff, but I prefer her newest stuff. The designs are better and the drawing talent is better. In my opinion.
I agree with that sentence of trying to balance old Angel dust with him constantly pranking and always screaming is pretty difficult anyways im glad that Vivz toned down Angel's character.
I think she only toned him down a little bit by the time Hazbin Hotel rolled around. Not a whole lot.
He's still got some interesting things about him, just look at the "Addict" music video.
does anybody remember that angel and vaggie we're supposed to be a couple?
Yeah me too
Hehehehe..... 69-
Also yeah- I kinda wanted to see it tho-
and he was bi
I realise that too.. In wiki
I remember her website so vividly because I was like in middle school and obsessed with her art as a 12 year old
@mercury_stuck_in_1984 your bad at math I’m 17 💀
@mercury_stuck_in_1984 I’ll have it marked 😁
In speaking of evolutions, I kinda miss Vaggies darker emo design. You really got a feel for her character
Yeah, I personally liked that design better. If anything, she's the one who's gone through the most changes.
Yeah now she has a generic looking outfit and her color palette is no different from anyone else's, I can understand why because animation is hard as hell but still, I liked her pilot design better :(
2013 Viv: " I don't really like the idea of involving drugs with characters"
Me in 2021: Oh how the turn tables..
5:45 I'm crying over how easily Arackniss just murders and flat out doesn't care I hope that he's like that in the show tiny baby badass man
Nobody :
Automatic captions : This is Korean.
maybe with the use of the Wayback Machine we can see Vivs old work before it was all wiped out. I don’t know exactly what I would look up but i definitely think it could be a helpful resource
I remember the old site, it featured a lot of her zoophobia characters too, it was character bios and the pictures of the characters often had an animated blinking motion
Fun fact about past angle, apparently he was going to be cherry’s DAD yea crazy right.
What’s cool, they do confirm on multiple occasions that he is gay throughout the pilot, but address the elephant in the room with his sex work through the comics that he COULD sleep with women but it’ll be an extra cost. Otherwise, he’s an entirely gay character. I appreciate Viv’s details, lots of show don’t tell, especially in the representation department 😁👌🏼
Running around and screaming like a madman- sound like inosuke XD
Lol, yea it does
I remember Viv’s old website
I was only ever on it for maybe an hour but yeah
I miss it a lot
I knew about viv since like 2013 or 14 hard to say, but I used to look at ALL of her art stuff whenever I had the chance, hazbin hotel, zoophobia. But I never expected angel to come so far, she did a great job with his growth but still keeping him as chaotic from when I first saw his sketches
I love your channel and this video, and I was surprised when I saw that you don’t have a lot of subs!
Thank you so much! It might be because I split my attention between two different channels.
Angel’s scared form looks SIIIICK i want it in the show one day
I wasn’t around for any of the early character concepts for hazbin (I was too young to even know what tumblr was XD) so it’s rly interesting to see how long it’s been in the works and how much the characters have changed! I love angel as he is now, but theres just somethin about 2014 feral angel that’s just *chefs kiss*
The picture from 8:09 was also used in Gooseworx’s song.
I remember Viv confirming Angel was genderfluid in the past. I only remember it because some people got pissy about it.
damn angel dust at 4:55 and 5:01 looks extremely badass ngl
I remember seeing all of angels past designs on Vivzie’s deviantart around 2016 before she nuked her account, she has a few stray art pieces she left up, but the majority is deleted. Really sad.
All these artworks bring so much nostalgia for me, back when I used to read her Zoophobia comics, and watch her quick sketch videos. Good times
It's amazing how much Angel has changed, and how many of the images you managed to find of him! It's genuinely impressive =0 And his scared form looks so cool!
Basically Angel just became an actual character, the original version is veeeeeeery edgy and has that very distinct 2010-2015 feel to it somehow, exactly the kind of character my edgy ass would have adored back then
I really, REALLY hope the secondary demon form thing is going to be used, I'd have such a good time designing my own hazbin ocs
Well he is so handsome xD
Despite Angel being gay now....I still think he has great chemistry with Vaggie.
Ultimate mlm and wlw solidarity (after Team Rocket).
God do I hope there’s a episode of Hazbin hotel where we go through angel’s old family photos or something and having him get embarrassed by his “Emo phase”
That’d just take the cake
I remember a point when he and vaggie were a thing and that cherri and him were gonna be dad and daughter. Glad they changed this but I wish they didn't change cherri and angel not being related since they got this family like bond
God, I’d love a gag in the show where people assume that Vaggie and Angel are a couple and the two would just gag at the comment in disgust. It would be a fun little reference to the fact that they were a couple during early development.
This is a very elaborate and well-made video on the history of Angel Dust, but...
4:45 Is anybody going to mention Beta!Alastor munching on bunnies here!? XD
That's not a beta Alastor. It's another character, but I usually forget his name. He's brothers with the other 3 characters
@@MegaEXD Was the green guy supposed to be Baxter, or something? I wonder who the red guy was!
@@KindredKeepsake I don't think any were Baxter. All of the brothers are dragons
@@MegaEXD Oh right, the dragon thing! XD I forgot!
The red character is Hatchet, he did cameo in the Hazbin Hotel pilot as one of the background demons watching the televisions.
Here before this channel may/may not blow up.
Love the ace candles in the background!
8:54
Ha! (Viv)idy
I still think of him with Vaggie just because, even though their relationship was never truly animated, what we did see has so much chemistry. Pan, bi, whatever, I love him with Vaggie.
4 minutes and 36 seconds in. Blitzo seems to have gained possession of that box of spiders. Did he steal it? Did he buy it off him? Did Angel lose the box and Blitzo found it? So many unanswered questions.
thank you :)
very cool! angel dust is my favorite character
its midnight and its dark and when the "owo wat dis" emoji came on it burned into my f....king retinas
I remember the black website with the red text and reading her zoophobia comic on it. But yeah, that's a blast from the past.
I agree with most of this. I can't confirm the gender fluid fact, but I got turned onto HH from my Cousin way back (the same design time period that you said you got into it). I really liked the idea of (what I heard at the time was he was male and gay) an openly gay male character that was crazy and violent (he seemed very fun, kinda Joker like). So seeing the evolution of my first and favorite HH character as a reminder (with some things I didn't know too) was really cool. Great video.👍
Keep up the great work!
Original Angel Dust would definitely FUCK UP Valentino because Angie is more grumpy when bothered and more insane, I kind of like OG Angel Dust
I think It's impressive you dug up all those drawings, and I thought I knew it all Hazbin Hotel lmao
The old design of Angel Dust makes me think about a Dr. Seuss character...
man its crazy to see were viv started to see were she is now, I remember the old web sight
Ahh i remember these, such improovement
I discovered Viv’s work in 2017. And I personally prefer the old canon where Vaggie was supposed to be his love interest. I feel like his old design made sense to me.
Maybe it would have been better for some. But I really like his new version. Not many characters get shown like he is now. Also moxie from helluva boss. He bi but it’s not really important
@@lizaramirez-garcia5944 it’s just that his older design really stood out with the mauve purple. Now he just looks like Neapolitan ice cream. Just saying
I like him being gay, idk why I'd want another straight couple (it'd also destroy Vaggie and Charlie so also getting rid of the lesbian rep unless people expect Vivzi to pull another female love interest out of her @ss) especially with him and Vaggie, it'd also make the Valintino situation with Angel being a gay p0rnstar who f*cks his boss null and void, unless you expect Angel to ACTUALLY date someone in first place, and still be a c0cksleeve. I mean, think of how many things would have to be completely changed...
His old designs are freaky af. Also, Vaggie as a lesbian knight protecting her angelic princess >>>> Vaggie as a straight action girl who acts tsundete whenever she sees Angel Dust. If you want a straight couples, we already got Moxxie and Millie, Lucifer and Lilith. Also, we barely get nice gay reps in cartoons, please us have Angel Dust and Vaggie.
0:17 ace candle ace candle ace candle
"I don't like the idea of involving drugs with characters-"
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAhahahahaaha he he he...Yeah... that statement aged like a twitter post
If I had to associate one char with vivziepop nowadays, it'd have to be Angel Dust tbh.
Angels demon for is horrifying I am beyond scared
hmm, I think I'm in the wrong place
Tim burton angel as the thumbnail
Angel Dust is a character I'd go gay for.
Thank you too.
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Please don't make my nightmare kill me, I can barely stand what vaggie saw of Alistair in that one video.......
T-T
#AngelDustspinoff
#Angle Dust spinoff too.
a angel fish
8:54 was that a pun I sense
0:13 ctrl+shift+t and thi are back
i think being gender fluid is best for angeldust
Yes it is both too.
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I wanna see a Hazbin/Demon Slayer mashup
3:08 white Husker and Crazy Alastor
The candles on the fireplace mantle are black, grey, white, and purple…
Any significance there?
Edit: The ace flag perhaps?
I don’t like Angel now. Not really his personality or design but it isn’t that bad. Nothing wrong with being feminine, but when he was more crazy and masculine, I liked him more. Especially this design. 7:13
I like it alot too cause it should who he was before he died. He was born into the mafia. Now you can't see that anymore.
Agreed. I love his 2013-2015 concept when he used to be this batshit crazy mafia guy, because it just made more sense with his past, and he actually looked like he was from the mafia. Now he's just a pink twink.
Sorry, my comments kept disappearing for some reason and I had to keep reposting them.
O my god now i know why angel only have two eyes unlike his brother, i was thinking in spiders then i realized he may be inspired in the jumping spider or de ogre faced spider that hace 2 giant eyes with other little 4 in the side maybe that was the idea it makes sense at least for me
*I have memory loss to! And brain damage*
People, bounce the name from the fans, then use the way back machine, it may very well have at least some of it saved
“I very VIVidly remember-“ omg I might be dumb but was that intentional????
It wasn’t intentional. But it’s pretty funny
hey so having been dealing with frequent crashes, I know how to handle a window crashing taking all tabs with 'em
ctrl+shift+t opens the last closed tab, meaning you can keep pressing it until you've restored all the closed tabs (assuming you use chrome, idk if it works on other search engines)
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6:40 they are watching an oprah in helluva boss episode 4 we see someone that looks like human angle dust. i think Viv did an easter egg
you remind me of chaos55t /pos and im immediately subscribing
DeviantArt?
Maybe MySpace?
Angle dust is actually male
I never said he wasn’t. He USED to be genderfluid
Yes I remember the web site.
Let’s gooo
I do
wow
How do I have more subs than you?! Your videos are amazing and you need A LOT more subs!😳
I had it all screenshot on my phone but bring the idiot I am I broke my phone
3:07 pause your video I found Alastor and old husk
I wish I didn't see that angel does geez
Now angle dust has an Evolution.?
Angle dust
Cringe pfp
How is ena cringe?
@@skelvoc old one
@@loonathehellhound5101 my first one? the one i drew? the gacha face? the furry i drew? pico x keith cringe one? maid pico? ena? freddy fazbear? senpai?
@@skelvoc the pico one
No se que decis (._.
Solo vine por la evolucion de Angel que pude descifrar en la portada del video :>
No me puedo imaginar a Angle junto a Veggie xD
Maybe you can find the website with the way back machine? Im sure if someone posts it on reddit they’ll be able to find it.