We have a neutered boy and are trying to bond a spayed girl after he lost his bonded sister in November. The boy is really chilled, doesn't love a lot of fussing, hates being picked up (which makes these repeated dates all the worse) but also has never bitten at all. In terms of his stress reactions, he either freezes or flees. But the girl is super feisty. She's jittery & speedy, growls and rushes at our hands all the time, seems aggressive if I'm honest but on the other hand, CRAVES attention/petting and doesn't mind being picked up and carried around. She's about 20 months old and has never been bonded. He's 3.5 yrs and had a comfortable bond from birth with his sister. Anyway, we have done a few table top dates where we must continuously pet them or it would turn nasty. One bathtub bonding that we didn't love doing (is just hard to bend over that whole time) that we had to end when she started biting him. And one recent ex-pen date that was AWFUL with continuous fighting for the very brief time we allowed it. My daughter (they are her rabbits) is especially concerned with the upset / stress this could be causing the docile boy as it's always the girl who starts it. Can you give me an indication of just how many BAD DATES you could expect to have before things should improve? I don't think we've given it enough time but my daughter gets very upset that we are forcing the boy into this horrible fight scene!
Hi! Thank you so much for the wonderful videos and all the knowledge. I am so grateful! Making so many changes these last few days to our practices. I'm appalled I did not know this and I hope I have not permanently hurt our young rabbits (sub 1-year) lives. Lots of supervised free roaming since I found your channel. Bunny proofing is underway, hopefully new hay to replace open feed pellets. Clicker training starting today! Thank you so much!! I do have a bonding question for 3 bunny siblings (1 girl - Sage-, and 2 boys - Rosemary and Thyme), we adopted together from the shelter. They've always been in adjacent pens pre-spay and pre-neuter. But we did not switch back-and-forth prior to the surgeries, nor did we swap their bowls and pans. They had the surgeries 4 months ago. We started bonding 3months ago. Sage took to both boys very well. She seems to be the sub - doing most of the grooming and is frequently chased by Rosemary but will also give him tons of grooms all day. Her and Thyme and get along but seem to be more equal with lots of grooming from both. In the beggining it was almost impossible to get Thyme and Rosemary to be around each other, almost instantaneous fighting from Rosemary (very dom; both boys demands instant grooms from each other with that head down position in each other's faces but Rosemary will quickly lunge when he does not get them). So we decided to bond Sage to both (if that's even a thing), and have been swapping the boys between 2 adjacent pens (1 big = Sage + 1 boy and 1 smaller = Other boy). This has helped and they now tolerate 10-15min dates of all 3 together, where I typically pet both boys quite frequently. We all couldn't keep living with 3 smaller pens in a tiny apartment. My only concern is that neither boy has groomed the other and Rosemary skips chasing and nipping and always jumps to these lunges at the face that have removed fur at times (no blood per the vet). Do you have any tips? I will certainly stay patient and committed to safety (no bites since that last one), I love them all and don't want Rosemary or Thyme to end up alone :(. Am I hurting the process by swapping them between Sage? Should I let her form a very strong bond with one and then have the other only see her during dates?
Thank you for this information and especially the bonus tips. I have a male bun. He is 3 and I am now getting a second bun. I am adopting from the county shelter (so many pets there that rabbits are typically overlooked). Nonetheless, I found a 2 year old female rabbit to bond my bun with. I hope all goes well and I will definitely implement your tips.
Fantastic advice here! Everything is covered in detail and this would definitely help anyone looking to bond rabbits first time. Don't get discouraged, my first 2 rabbits bonded easily but the 3rd one required sitting in the pen and refereeing them which took 6 months. It's so worth it to have happy bunnies with family of their own kind.
@@TheBunniesBrigade ha! Yeah that would be…interesting. Although I do think we are sometimes more scent oriented than we are perhaps aware of, its nearly nothing compared to many other animals, like bunnies!
Oh yeah, totally! I’ve been binging the New Adventures of Superman this week (90s nostalgia 😁) and the whole time I can’t help thinking that, if nothing else, surely Lois would be able to SMELL that Clark Kent and Superman were the same person, considering how close she’s always getting to both of them! 😂
I love my current lone free roamer, but bunnies are so speciesist. Why don't they bond w us like w each other? 😭 esp wen we sit w them day in and day out 😢💔 welp, this is what dogs are for 😂🐶
Check out my training videos if you want to develop a closer bond with your rabbits 🙂 I actually just released a video talking about tricks that'll help you bond: ua-cam.com/video/JhTtLNI4n60/v-deo.html
How tall are those x Pens's and how wide is the bar space I really like the look of these this is an amazing helpful video I'm getting a pair originally was a Trio of Sisters from the same litter and they'll be 7 months old on the 9th of January and they're already houses together and they get along great and already bonded they look like identical twins because they're both Blew Eyed White Holland Lops just one has a slightly wider head that's how to tell them apart
Our pen is linked in the description 🙂. It's 28" high and 1.5" between the bars. At your bunnies' age they may be able to squeeze through, so you would probably need to modify this one in order to prevent that from happening - I've zip-tied NIC grids to it before. Once they are fully grown it won't be a problem.
Omg dude thank you so much for this video! My bunnies have that same relationship, both are females and are super stubborn lol they both demand to be groomed and neither will do it🤦🏽♀️
I got two bunnies from a different litters. Both around 6 months old. Both neutered but one only in the last 2 weeks (snowy). I did try a table bonding session and some side by side pens but snowy is very territorial and lashes out immediately at marshy, every time without fail. Is it too soon to try bonding? Should I start swapping out litter trays etc.. now or wait completely for another 4 weeks or so before trying anything. Just for context, we had marshy first and he is fully free roam. We keep snowy in a separate room until we can bond them. Could really do with some advice :-) oh, and they are both male.
Yeah, bit too early for dating. You can definitely start switching litter trays though. If side-by-side pens are to much for snowy you can try opposite, the extra distance might help him chill out a bit. Keep us posted!
@@TheBunniesBrigade Thanks! I just got a Netherland dwarf and I want to get her a partner. But since she's so small I want to get her bonded with another rabbit similar in size.
Great video, thank you. I have a bonded pair, males, 5 months and 4 months, both neutered. They are potty trained, but drive me little bit crazy with their poops. Everywhere. I always clean it immediately. Do you have tips? I really hope they will learn it at anytime....
This tip worked for my rabbits make there spaces smaller like an x pen but let them out for playtime for a few hours though but the smaller space makes them closer to the litter box and clean up there poops once you see them and when they improve slowly increase there space hope it hels
Rabbits will always leave a few poops around to mark and, in my experience, boys are more notorious for it than girls. Give Annette’s advice a go, it could help. I also made a video addressing common litter training problems if you want to take a look: ua-cam.com/video/CT3nCcYJWqY/v-deo.html
@@annettefinn6934 thanks a lot. I tried it already with the xpen, they even poop a lot when they are only in the XPen. It got worse. It wasn't that bad few weeks ago...
It’s not really something they grow out of. It’s just a territorial thing. They will do it quite a lot inside a pen if they’re penned. I just get a few balls near their litter boxes now they’re 100% free roam, and I have a little handheld vac that I use to clear them up.
Ok so I've been slowly trying to bond my rabbits for about 9 months now. They are both in my bedroom with me so I can watch them and for the most part are free to roam the whole house but at separate times. Neither one likes to leave the other. They have an ex pen between them still and they are so lovey to each other through the bars, grooming, eating and laying up against each other but as soon as there is no gate my male takes off therefore making my female chase him. She used to attack him and rip his hair out so we're getting closer. Why is there so much love through the bars and none when they are out together and what else can I do to help them?
I think your girl (who sounds like the dominant) just hasn't yet made it clear that she's the one in charge when they're sharing a space. The fact they're laying up against the bars and grooming is definitely half the battle though. Have you dated them in a completely different space? If they're in a smaller, unfamiliar space your boy will be less inclined to run around and aggravate her, and it'll prevent out of hand chasing.
I tried neutral areas but my girl is all over the place. I've tried smaller areas, boxes, carriers. She is definitely the dominant one and my boy knows it. He has been getting braver and going by her when the pen is open but if she moves he gets scared and runs away. For the most part she isn't chasing him but she'll run if she feels like it. I have odd bunnies. They definitely aren't like all others
pre bonding went great. Good interaction through the gate. Asking for grooming and a little grooming. Face to face... One sweet boy who wanted love from his big bro, but big bro (who was asking for and giving grooming though the bars) immediate and repeated attacks, tornado and now lover boy has a hole in his ear. He did not try to defend himself.
Oh no! Face to face isn’t great when they’re first getting to know each other. Side-by-side is always best. If the more subdued guy was asking to be groomed then this won’t be well received by the dominant guy, so it makes sense he responded in that way. Make sure you jump in before any fights get out of hand. Look for ears back, tense stance, facing straight on - this means they’re about to lunge. Let him fully heal up and then try again in their neutral space. Put them side-by-side, as I mentioned, and pet them both. Keep it super brief. Know that the fact other guy didn’t defend himself is, strangely enough, a good thing for the future of the bond. Just make sure you stop fights immediately. Don’t allow for repeat attacks. Best of luck! 🙂
@@TheBunniesBrigade yup I jumped in. Separated, calmed and it repeated so I had to shut down the session. They were WELL acquainted side by side. Months and months. Went amazing but how they interact through the bars is not an accurate indication of how they'll be face to face. Obvs not going to let them kill each other, but you're also not supposed to end the session after a tiff. I had thick gloves on, and a spray bottle but mean boy was having non of lover boy. Lover boy did not ask for grooming. Mean boy did... and mean boy groomed lover boy through the gate. But once face to face, he would not stop attacking in the span of a few seconds. I'd intervene, give them another second to meet, another attack etc. So I had to end the session. People have argued not to end it on a bad note but it's my job to keep them safe and lover boy was not defending himself so it was totally one sided. in the span of literally a few seconds all this occurred.
@@yeahexceptno Oh, I see what you mean - when you say "face to face" you mean on their dates, as opposed to separated? Sorry, miscommunication. When I say side-by-side, I mean as soon as put them in the dating space literally put their bodies side-by-side and pet them together. Just keep petting. See what results that gets you. You may need to do lots of session just doing that and then end it - baby steps! Don't stress too much at this point that you're having to end things on a bad note, it's fine, you're totally doing the right thing. Your 2 might be the perfect candidates for a car ride, if you haven't tried that already.
@@TheBunniesBrigade Yes, their first bonding date. Was not such a good one. I'm worried about a car ride because if they fight, I don't know what to do with them in the car. They're TERRIFIED of the shop vac so I ran that but mean boy still attacked. Little jerk! He's so cute, too. lol It's going to be a journey, that's for sure. I think there is hope, though because they both have a lot of love to give and lover boy isn't dominant or fighting back at all
I agree, I think there’s definitely hope there. As I say in the video, get someone else to drive and sit in the back with them in a large box. Have your gloves on. If he still tries to fight then pick up one of them up and just hold him and end the car ride. I think it’s worth a shot, you don’t have to drive the car too far.
Is the only way to be successful with this to pen the free roam first rabbit during this process? She gets very angry in a pen and maybe she will get used to it but am worried she will just associate the other rabbit with jail time. But maybe she would just get used to it and it isn't going well with her free roaming either.
This is my question as well. My rabbit pretty much free roams at all times and I fear keeping her back in solidarity will make her angry and dislike the other rabbit
I didn’t have to bond my two rabbits I got one for Christmas and I got him neutered and then got another rabbit but a female and I kept her in a different room for three week and then moved her in the room with my other rabbit they both where in x pens and I let them out for three hours a day each and they could see and smell each other but they were grooming each other and lying besides each other but one day my male jumped into her pen she only two months not spayed but they were flopped beside each other so let them played together and they never fought so them I let them live together in the room free roam and let them out for free roam
Awesome! Sounds like you had a very quick, easy bond! Love at first sight 😍. It can totally happen where the bunnies just bond on their own, no dates needed. I’ve heard stories of bunnies at rabbit rescues accidentally bonding like this and then they have to adopt them out as a pair. This actually happened with one of Wally’s speed dates he liked - another bunny came and swooped her off her feet in the couple of days we were thinking about it. Sorry, Wally! 😬
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Oh my gosh! Thank you so much! Feel free to spread the word ☺️
We have a neutered boy and are trying to bond a spayed girl after he lost his bonded sister in November. The boy is really chilled, doesn't love a lot of fussing, hates being picked up (which makes these repeated dates all the worse) but also has never bitten at all. In terms of his stress reactions, he either freezes or flees. But the girl is super feisty. She's jittery & speedy, growls and rushes at our hands all the time, seems aggressive if I'm honest but on the other hand, CRAVES attention/petting and doesn't mind being picked up and carried around. She's about 20 months old and has never been bonded. He's 3.5 yrs and had a comfortable bond from birth with his sister. Anyway, we have done a few table top dates where we must continuously pet them or it would turn nasty. One bathtub bonding that we didn't love doing (is just hard to bend over that whole time) that we had to end when she started biting him. And one recent ex-pen date that was AWFUL with continuous fighting for the very brief time we allowed it. My daughter (they are her rabbits) is especially concerned with the upset / stress this could be causing the docile boy as it's always the girl who starts it. Can you give me an indication of just how many BAD DATES you could expect to have before things should improve? I don't think we've given it enough time but my daughter gets very upset that we are forcing the boy into this horrible fight scene!
Subscribed! :) Thank you for this, amazing video. Loved the Sims reference!!
Hi! Thank you so much for the wonderful videos and all the knowledge. I am so grateful! Making so many changes these last few days to our practices. I'm appalled I did not know this and I hope I have not permanently hurt our young rabbits (sub 1-year) lives. Lots of supervised free roaming since I found your channel. Bunny proofing is underway, hopefully new hay to replace open feed pellets. Clicker training starting today! Thank you so much!!
I do have a bonding question for 3 bunny siblings (1 girl - Sage-, and 2 boys - Rosemary and Thyme), we adopted together from the shelter. They've always been in adjacent pens pre-spay and pre-neuter. But we did not switch back-and-forth prior to the surgeries, nor did we swap their bowls and pans.
They had the surgeries 4 months ago. We started bonding 3months ago. Sage took to both boys very well. She seems to be the sub - doing most of the grooming and is frequently chased by Rosemary but will also give him tons of grooms all day. Her and Thyme and get along but seem to be more equal with lots of grooming from both.
In the beggining it was almost impossible to get Thyme and Rosemary to be around each other, almost instantaneous fighting from Rosemary (very dom; both boys demands instant grooms from each other with that head down position in each other's faces but Rosemary will quickly lunge when he does not get them).
So we decided to bond Sage to both (if that's even a thing), and have been swapping the boys between 2 adjacent pens (1 big = Sage + 1 boy and 1 smaller = Other boy). This has helped and they now tolerate 10-15min dates of all 3 together, where I typically pet both boys quite frequently. We all couldn't keep living with 3 smaller pens in a tiny apartment.
My only concern is that neither boy has groomed the other and Rosemary skips chasing and nipping and always jumps to these lunges at the face that have removed fur at times (no blood per the vet).
Do you have any tips? I will certainly stay patient and committed to safety (no bites since that last one), I love them all and don't want Rosemary or Thyme to end up alone :(. Am I hurting the process by swapping them between Sage? Should I let her form a very strong bond with one and then have the other only see her during dates?
Thank you for this information and especially the bonus tips. I have a male bun. He is 3 and I am now getting a second bun. I am adopting from the county shelter (so many pets there that rabbits are typically overlooked). Nonetheless, I found a 2 year old female rabbit to bond my bun with. I hope all goes well and I will definitely implement your tips.
Fantastic advice here! Everything is covered in detail and this would definitely help anyone looking to bond rabbits first time. Don't get discouraged, my first 2 rabbits bonded easily but the 3rd one required sitting in the pen and refereeing them which took 6 months. It's so worth it to have happy bunnies with family of their own kind.
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Sharing scent is such an animal thing!!
Totally is. Imagine if we gave each other a good sniff when we meet each other, instead of a handshake or a hug 😅
@@TheBunniesBrigade ha! Yeah that would be…interesting. Although I do think we are sometimes more scent oriented than we are perhaps aware of, its nearly nothing compared to many other animals, like bunnies!
Oh yeah, totally! I’ve been binging the New Adventures of Superman this week (90s nostalgia 😁) and the whole time I can’t help thinking that, if nothing else, surely Lois would be able to SMELL that Clark Kent and Superman were the same person, considering how close she’s always getting to both of them! 😂
Pepper & Wally are too cute!❤
Thank you! ☺️
Wally's sleep twitch is #goals
I wish I could know what he dreams about.
I love my current lone free roamer, but bunnies are so speciesist. Why don't they bond w us like w each other? 😭 esp wen we sit w them day in and day out 😢💔 welp, this is what dogs are for 😂🐶
Check out my training videos if you want to develop a closer bond with your rabbits 🙂 I actually just released a video talking about tricks that'll help you bond: ua-cam.com/video/JhTtLNI4n60/v-deo.html
How tall are those x Pens's and how wide is the bar space I really like the look of these this is an amazing helpful video I'm getting a pair originally was a Trio of Sisters from the same litter and they'll be 7 months old on the 9th of January and they're already houses together and they get along great and already bonded they look like identical twins because they're both Blew Eyed White Holland Lops just one has a slightly wider head that's how to tell them apart
Our pen is linked in the description 🙂. It's 28" high and 1.5" between the bars. At your bunnies' age they may be able to squeeze through, so you would probably need to modify this one in order to prevent that from happening - I've zip-tied NIC grids to it before. Once they are fully grown it won't be a problem.
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Thank YOU! ☺️
Omg dude thank you so much for this video! My bunnies have that same relationship, both are females and are super stubborn lol they both demand to be groomed and neither will do it🤦🏽♀️
I got two bunnies from a different litters. Both around 6 months old. Both neutered but one only in the last 2 weeks (snowy). I did try a table bonding session and some side by side pens but snowy is very territorial and lashes out immediately at marshy, every time without fail. Is it too soon to try bonding? Should I start swapping out litter trays etc.. now or wait completely for another 4 weeks or so before trying anything. Just for context, we had marshy first and he is fully free roam. We keep snowy in a separate room until we can bond them. Could really do with some advice :-) oh, and they are both male.
Yeah, bit too early for dating. You can definitely start switching litter trays though. If side-by-side pens are to much for snowy you can try opposite, the extra distance might help him chill out a bit. Keep us posted!
Can two rabbits of different breeds be bonded?
Of course! Breed has no bearing on how or if they will bond. As you can tell, Pepper and Wally are completely different breeds.
@@TheBunniesBrigade Thanks! I just got a Netherland dwarf and I want to get her a partner. But since she's so small I want to get her bonded with another rabbit similar in size.
Great video, thank you.
I have a bonded pair, males, 5 months and 4 months, both neutered.
They are potty trained, but drive me little bit crazy with their poops. Everywhere. I always clean it immediately.
Do you have tips? I really hope they will learn it at anytime....
This tip worked for my rabbits make there spaces smaller like an x pen but let them out for playtime for a few hours though but the smaller space makes them closer to the litter box and clean up there poops once you see them and when they improve slowly increase there space hope it hels
Rabbits will always leave a few poops around to mark and, in my experience, boys are more notorious for it than girls. Give Annette’s advice a go, it could help. I also made a video addressing common litter training problems if you want to take a look: ua-cam.com/video/CT3nCcYJWqY/v-deo.html
@@annettefinn6934 thanks a lot. I tried it already with the xpen, they even poop a lot when they are only in the XPen. It got worse. It wasn't that bad few weeks ago...
@@TheBunniesBrigade okay, thanks a lot for your answer. Do you think it could get better when they get older?
It’s not really something they grow out of. It’s just a territorial thing. They will do it quite a lot inside a pen if they’re penned. I just get a few balls near their litter boxes now they’re 100% free roam, and I have a little handheld vac that I use to clear them up.
Ok so I've been slowly trying to bond my rabbits for about 9 months now. They are both in my bedroom with me so I can watch them and for the most part are free to roam the whole house but at separate times. Neither one likes to leave the other. They have an ex pen between them still and they are so lovey to each other through the bars, grooming, eating and laying up against each other but as soon as there is no gate my male takes off therefore making my female chase him. She used to attack him and rip his hair out so we're getting closer. Why is there so much love through the bars and none when they are out together and what else can I do to help them?
I think your girl (who sounds like the dominant) just hasn't yet made it clear that she's the one in charge when they're sharing a space. The fact they're laying up against the bars and grooming is definitely half the battle though. Have you dated them in a completely different space? If they're in a smaller, unfamiliar space your boy will be less inclined to run around and aggravate her, and it'll prevent out of hand chasing.
I tried neutral areas but my girl is all over the place. I've tried smaller areas, boxes, carriers. She is definitely the dominant one and my boy knows it. He has been getting braver and going by her when the pen is open but if she moves he gets scared and runs away. For the most part she isn't chasing him but she'll run if she feels like it. I have odd bunnies. They definitely aren't like all others
pre bonding went great. Good interaction through the gate. Asking for grooming and a little grooming. Face to face... One sweet boy who wanted love from his big bro, but big bro (who was asking for and giving grooming though the bars) immediate and repeated attacks, tornado and now lover boy has a hole in his ear. He did not try to defend himself.
Oh no! Face to face isn’t great when they’re first getting to know each other. Side-by-side is always best. If the more subdued guy was asking to be groomed then this won’t be well received by the dominant guy, so it makes sense he responded in that way.
Make sure you jump in before any fights get out of hand. Look for ears back, tense stance, facing straight on - this means they’re about to lunge. Let him fully heal up and then try again in their neutral space. Put them side-by-side, as I mentioned, and pet them both. Keep it super brief. Know that the fact other guy didn’t defend himself is, strangely enough, a good thing for the future of the bond. Just make sure you stop fights immediately. Don’t allow for repeat attacks. Best of luck! 🙂
@@TheBunniesBrigade yup I jumped in. Separated, calmed and it repeated so I had to shut down the session. They were WELL acquainted side by side. Months and months. Went amazing but how they interact through the bars is not an accurate indication of how they'll be face to face. Obvs not going to let them kill each other, but you're also not supposed to end the session after a tiff. I had thick gloves on, and a spray bottle but mean boy was having non of lover boy. Lover boy did not ask for grooming. Mean boy did... and mean boy groomed lover boy through the gate. But once face to face, he would not stop attacking in the span of a few seconds. I'd intervene, give them another second to meet, another attack etc. So I had to end the session. People have argued not to end it on a bad note but it's my job to keep them safe and lover boy was not defending himself so it was totally one sided. in the span of literally a few seconds all this occurred.
@@yeahexceptno Oh, I see what you mean - when you say "face to face" you mean on their dates, as opposed to separated? Sorry, miscommunication.
When I say side-by-side, I mean as soon as put them in the dating space literally put their bodies side-by-side and pet them together. Just keep petting. See what results that gets you. You may need to do lots of session just doing that and then end it - baby steps! Don't stress too much at this point that you're having to end things on a bad note, it's fine, you're totally doing the right thing. Your 2 might be the perfect candidates for a car ride, if you haven't tried that already.
@@TheBunniesBrigade Yes, their first bonding date. Was not such a good one. I'm worried about a car ride because if they fight, I don't know what to do with them in the car. They're TERRIFIED of the shop vac so I ran that but mean boy still attacked. Little jerk! He's so cute, too. lol It's going to be a journey, that's for sure. I think there is hope, though because they both have a lot of love to give and lover boy isn't dominant or fighting back at all
I agree, I think there’s definitely hope there. As I say in the video, get someone else to drive and sit in the back with them in a large box. Have your gloves on. If he still tries to fight then pick up one of them up and just hold him and end the car ride. I think it’s worth a shot, you don’t have to drive the car too far.
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Is the only way to be successful with this to pen the free roam first rabbit during this process? She gets very angry in a pen and maybe she will get used to it but am worried she will just associate the other rabbit with jail time. But maybe she would just get used to it and it isn't going well with her free roaming either.
This is my question as well. My rabbit pretty much free roams at all times and I fear keeping her back in solidarity will make her angry and dislike the other rabbit
I didn’t have to bond my two rabbits I got one for Christmas and I got him neutered and then got another rabbit but a female and I kept her in a different room for three week and then moved her in the room with my other rabbit they both where in x pens and I let them out for three hours a day each and they could see and smell each other but they were grooming each other and lying besides each other but one day my male jumped into her pen she only two months not spayed but they were flopped beside each other so let them played together and they never fought so them I let them live together in the room free roam and let them out for free roam
Awesome! Sounds like you had a very quick, easy bond! Love at first sight 😍. It can totally happen where the bunnies just bond on their own, no dates needed. I’ve heard stories of bunnies at rabbit rescues accidentally bonding like this and then they have to adopt them out as a pair. This actually happened with one of Wally’s speed dates he liked - another bunny came and swooped her off her feet in the couple of days we were thinking about it. Sorry, Wally! 😬