Neurological dysregulated injury and brain injury from SSRI and abrupt taper can be very physical. It pulls twitches burns presses nerve- muscle pain and pulsating electricity. How to deal with it?
Have you listened to the Mindful Gardener? He’s the polar opposite to you, but same concept. He’s Canadian and a bit off-color, but hysterically funny. He didn’t take psych meds, but had severe TMS. His techniques take forever though. Thanks for your work!
Along with pain and a few other symptoms, my most troubling symptoms are morning terror that takes hours to get rid of and toxic naps. Did you have anything like this. I’m looking for hope that these techniques can help me too. Thanks!
Hi, I didn't have morning terror but I had a bunch of very weird and disconcerting sleep problems, among the other things I dealt with, and those resolved with a TMS approach. With TMS it's quite common to develop conditioned responses; that is certain sensations can get associated/triggered by certain things, times, places, stress. For quite a while I used to get panic every day at exactly 5pm. A TMS approach is about breaking that conditioning. I think sometimes on withdrawal forums they come up with terminology that can reinforce the idea that a certain set of sensations/experiences are always a withdrawal phenomenon. But this is not always the case. I don't really know anything about your situation but if the ideas of TMS and Sarno or Howard Schubiner or the many other people in this space, if they resonate with you, then yes you may wish to pursue this approach.
@@gustavtms you didn’t get hurt like you could have. It’s that simple. You know just by reading. I think the big difference is whether you get tardive injuries or not. Tardive akathisia, tardive dystonia etc. The first few times I came off benzodiazepines were not like the last couple. Call it kindling, call it tardive madness, trauma on top of trauma, it has been life altering. “Withdrawal” is brain change being unmasked. It’s always trying to rewire with what is left. Things cannot rewire and you can worsen months off like me. Most of my worst symptoms erupted tardive 4-18 months off. Journaling is great, I’m sure but people in raging akathisia cannot work on anything. I don’t want family thinking you can voodoo mind trick yourself out of some of this. I’ve lost 24 friends to benzodiazepine injury and things like chronic akathisia since March 2021. Some were 3, 5, even 9 years off the medications. There is definitely damage. No doubt.
@@gustavtms Perhaps we should define protracted withdrawal. I understand it to mean we still haven't recovered at around 18 months and are likely to take two years. Others define it as having severe symptoms beyond the acute stage of a few months. Which definition are you using?
I would suspect that protracted withdrawal might be defined similarly to other types of injuries: it’s when “symptoms” continue beyond the expected time of recovery. Acute withdrawal, if I recall correctly, is generally defined between 4-8 weeks. However that’s not to say that everyone fits into this category. For some people acute withdrawal could very well last longer than that, maybe several months, maybe even six months, I don't know. Personally if I were looking into this, I don’t know how far beyond that I would go before I started looking into alternative perspectives like TMS because it would rule out a potential opportunity to resolve it. I know it’s common in withdrawal communities to emphasize very long recoveries because this is what they see (withdrawal forums are filled with people who’ve had it the worst). But the people within these forums have rarely tried mindbody approaches like TMS (they can even be discouraged to do so) so the idea that protracted withdrawal syndrome starts at such a date or probably ends at such a date I think is based on incomplete information. I doubt there’d ever be a TMS study on protracted withdrawal like’s been done on chronic pain and Long Covid, but this has transformed the way these situations are understood as new information has come to light. Ultimately though I would most emphasize that it is really up to each person to define their own situation for themselves and it’s not important what I think. Generally for people who arrive at the concept of TMS, they’re at their wit's end and might be beginning to suspect that, on some level, their ongoing pain or tiredness or protracted withdrawal sensations or whatever they’re going through, doesn't make sense to them anymore as unique syndromes. So they seek an alternative explanation and TMS or a similar learned neuroplastic concept resonates with them and then they may pursue it.
@@gustavtms Thanks for your interpretation. I thought about grief and the mourning process and how they say it takes about 2 years on average to reach acceptance and start feeling a bit better about things. And grief is a very physical feeling. I don't think it is something we can rush either as we each find our way through the maze. I wonder if a similar thing is happening after cessation of these pills. We've got used to taking them to calm ourselves down or ease our pain, releasing muscle tension, and now we have to find other ways to deal with life and everything it throws at us. Bit of a shock to the system and everyone is so different so we each take the time we need. However I don't want to let Pharma off the hook too easily as this unnatural chemical alteration is clearly harmful as it doesn't allow us to process anything the way we need to, really messes with our heads! Anyway, thanks for your reply
@@gustavtms My reply to you seems to have vanished so not sure you have seen it your end? And BTW this video does not appear on my subscribers list even though I am subscribed. I only saw it as a recommendation! Weird
This is slightly unrelated to the video but my Dad has had back pain for 40 years. 15 years ago he had surgery however the pain still comes and goes. I feel that John Sarno's work can help however he is very reluctant to the concept. Can you recommend a book or video I can show him to help him consider the possibility?
Most people will reject Sarno's work, especially at first. I did too. Everyone's different but this is the video that changed my mind: ua-cam.com/video/0VyH1laOd2M/v-deo.html
Thank you for this great information, Gustav!
Thanks, appreciate it!
Neurological dysregulated injury and brain injury from SSRI and abrupt taper can be very physical. It pulls twitches burns presses nerve- muscle pain and pulsating electricity. How to deal with it?
Have you listened to the Mindful Gardener? He’s the polar opposite to you, but same concept. He’s Canadian and a bit off-color, but hysterically funny. He didn’t take psych meds, but had severe TMS. His techniques take forever though. Thanks for your work!
Thanks, I've heard of him but haven't really checked out his stuff yet!
@ he’s very funny. He definitely suffered a ton of anxiety and OCD after, I believe, many medical issues and antibiotics. No issues after years now.
Along with pain and a few other symptoms, my most troubling symptoms are morning terror that takes hours to get rid of and toxic naps. Did you have anything like this. I’m looking for hope that these techniques can help me too. Thanks!
Hi, I didn't have morning terror but I had a bunch of very weird and disconcerting sleep problems, among the other things I dealt with, and those resolved with a TMS approach. With TMS it's quite common to develop conditioned responses; that is certain sensations can get associated/triggered by certain things, times, places, stress. For quite a while I used to get panic every day at exactly 5pm. A TMS approach is about breaking that conditioning.
I think sometimes on withdrawal forums they come up with terminology that can reinforce the idea that a certain set of sensations/experiences are always a withdrawal phenomenon. But this is not always the case. I don't really know anything about your situation but if the ideas of TMS and Sarno or Howard Schubiner or the many other people in this space, if they resonate with you, then yes you may wish to pursue this approach.
@@gustavtms you didn’t get hurt like you could have. It’s that simple. You know just by reading. I think the big difference is whether you get tardive injuries or not. Tardive akathisia, tardive dystonia etc. The first few times I came off benzodiazepines were not like the last couple. Call it kindling, call it tardive madness, trauma on top of trauma, it has been life altering. “Withdrawal” is brain change being unmasked. It’s always trying to rewire with what is left. Things cannot rewire and you can worsen months off like me. Most of my worst symptoms erupted tardive 4-18 months off. Journaling is great, I’m sure but people in raging akathisia cannot work on anything. I don’t want family thinking you can voodoo mind trick yourself out of some of this. I’ve lost 24 friends to benzodiazepine injury and things like chronic akathisia since March 2021. Some were 3, 5, even 9 years off the medications. There is definitely damage. No doubt.
What is your opinion on the time frame for protracted withdrawal? I understand it to be over 2 years, would you agree?
Hi. Which timeframe? Do you mean how long protracted withdrawal might take to resolve on its own without any intervention?
@@gustavtms Perhaps we should define protracted withdrawal. I understand it to mean we still haven't recovered at around 18 months and are likely to take two years. Others define it as having severe symptoms beyond the acute stage of a few months. Which definition are you using?
I would suspect that protracted withdrawal might be defined similarly to other types of injuries: it’s when “symptoms” continue beyond the expected time of recovery. Acute withdrawal, if I recall correctly, is generally defined between 4-8 weeks. However that’s not to say that everyone fits into this category. For some people acute withdrawal could very well last longer than that, maybe several months, maybe even six months, I don't know. Personally if I were looking into this, I don’t know how far beyond that I would go before I started looking into alternative perspectives like TMS because it would rule out a potential opportunity to resolve it. I know it’s common in withdrawal communities to emphasize very long recoveries because this is what they see (withdrawal forums are filled with people who’ve had it the worst). But the people within these forums have rarely tried mindbody approaches like TMS (they can even be discouraged to do so) so the idea that protracted withdrawal syndrome starts at such a date or probably ends at such a date I think is based on incomplete information. I doubt there’d ever be a TMS study on protracted withdrawal like’s been done on chronic pain and Long Covid, but this has transformed the way these situations are understood as new information has come to light.
Ultimately though I would most emphasize that it is really up to each person to define their own situation for themselves and it’s not important what I think. Generally for people who arrive at the concept of TMS, they’re at their wit's end and might be beginning to suspect that, on some level, their ongoing pain or tiredness or protracted withdrawal sensations or whatever they’re going through, doesn't make sense to them anymore as unique syndromes. So they seek an alternative explanation and TMS or a similar learned neuroplastic concept resonates with them and then they may pursue it.
@@gustavtms Thanks for your interpretation. I thought about grief and the mourning process and how they say it takes about 2 years on average to reach acceptance and start feeling a bit better about things. And grief is a very physical feeling. I don't think it is something we can rush either as we each find our way through the maze. I wonder if a similar thing is happening after cessation of these pills. We've got used to taking them to calm ourselves down or ease our pain, releasing muscle tension, and now we have to find other ways to deal with life and everything it throws at us. Bit of a shock to the system and everyone is so different so we each take the time we need. However I don't want to let Pharma off the hook too easily as this unnatural chemical alteration is clearly harmful as it doesn't allow us to process anything the way we need to, really messes with our heads! Anyway, thanks for your reply
@@gustavtms My reply to you seems to have vanished so not sure you have seen it your end? And BTW this video does not appear on my subscribers list even though I am subscribed. I only saw it as a recommendation! Weird
I had to come off my antidepressant abruptly will I be ok can I use this
Hi, saw your email.
This is slightly unrelated to the video but my Dad has had back pain for 40 years. 15 years ago he had surgery however the pain still comes and goes. I feel that John Sarno's work can help however he is very reluctant to the concept. Can you recommend a book or video I can show him to help him consider the possibility?
Most people will reject Sarno's work, especially at first. I did too. Everyone's different but this is the video that changed my mind: ua-cam.com/video/0VyH1laOd2M/v-deo.html