Strain VS Support | K-Pop Female Vocalists (A4 - F5)

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  • Note by note comparison of strained/unsupported singing VS. supported/resonant singing from female Korean vocalists
    STRAIN: A lack of proper support, accompanied by the singer forcing out the note by squeezing the throat muscles together and raising the larynx, and potentially having tension in the jaw, neck, tounge, etc. Creates a closed, sometimes yelled sound and is unhealthy for the vocal chords.
    SUPPORT: Using proper breathing techniques to ''support'' the voice, achieved by using the diaphragm to control the airflow against relaxed, connected vocal chords, unobstructed by tension. Creates a healthy, open sound.
    It's worth noting that even if a singer has developed proper support, they'll still start straining at some point, depending on how developed their technique is. Likewise, a singer appearing in the ''strain'' category does not mean they necessarily strain throughout their whole range. Most singers have a ''supported range'', in which they're able to properly support their voice, and when singing outside of that range, they'd strain/be unsupported. More info and examples on that can be found in this video: • Strain VS Support 2 | ...
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  • @mayanotopsleep
    @mayanotopsleep 7 років тому +5566

    It sounds different when you hear supported vocals it feels like your weight is being lifted but a strained one puts back the weight

    • @bitesbitz
      @bitesbitz 7 років тому +116

      gabriella joyce yupp same

    • @valentineyves
      @valentineyves 7 років тому +3

      gabriella joyce Yup

    • @HereIStandbyU
      @HereIStandbyU 7 років тому +312

      I feel like I'm suffering with them when its strained. Its kind of weird.

    • @valentineyves
      @valentineyves 7 років тому +21

      HereIStandbyU Same!

    • @yaoibabe
      @yaoibabe 7 років тому +46

      gabriella joyce I like to call support voices "full bodied" ;)

  • @animefan320
    @animefan320 7 років тому +2629

    SM really trains their vocalists well.

    • @kat_hj2128
      @kat_hj2128 7 років тому +304

      Nobu Especially seeing the crazy improvement of their artist like taemin and Luna over the years. They have so many great vocalist at SM, too many to count lol

    • @biazacha
      @biazacha 7 років тому +228

      Nobu also if you look to older groups like SuJu and SNSD almost all the members learned how to proper sing live after some years of career, even the dance line, do not like the company but I give this credit to them

    • @trblmood
      @trblmood 7 років тому

      Nobu excl tiff

    • @animefan320
      @animefan320 7 років тому +143

      No, including Tiffany. Tiffany does get scream-y at times, but that doesn't mean she can't sing. Don't be hateful.

    • @markleesicecream9540
      @markleesicecream9540 7 років тому +49

      If only they knew how to treat them right

  • @pinkynas
    @pinkynas 7 років тому +594

    I'm very impressed with Apink Eunji. She's so relaxed with those high notes and always use support technique.. I would love to see her collab with Taeyeon, Ailee, Rose, Jihyo and Hwasa. All my favourite vocalists.. :D

    • @Carolina013
      @Carolina013 7 років тому +47

      pinkynas I would die if I hear a collab between Taeyeon and Eunji TT ❤ oh my, that would be heavenly... PinkShide is life.

    • @kvt99
      @kvt99 6 років тому +23

      She has done a collab with ailee, luna, and solar(?)
      i forgot what the stage is called but they were known as E.L.S.A

    • @paho5260
      @paho5260 5 років тому +9

      I think she’s the best vocal in KPOP with Ailee, but Eunji is more versatile.

  • @Tumini1026
    @Tumini1026 7 років тому +563

    I don't like SM as a company but they invest their money well on vocal trainers dude

  • @meghnashankar591
    @meghnashankar591 7 років тому +3315

    someone once told me if you strain it'll sound like the highest note you can reach but if you support it'll sound like you still have room to go up even if you don't. you can really tell that difference here. i also notice the straining notes tend to sound a little more closed off, like their throat is sealed shut.

    • @hansolbling8141
      @hansolbling8141 7 років тому +112

      Meg Shankar that's basically what straining is lmao

    • @resurgingflame
      @resurgingflame 7 років тому +134

      Meg Shankar that's literally what straining means😂

    • @PickleJarr
      @PickleJarr 7 років тому +140

      Meg Shankar EXACTLY. Belting a high note should feel like you can still go higher. That's one sensation as a singer to watch out for.
      It's also a very good mantra when someone is starting training their voices.

    • @meghnashankar591
      @meghnashankar591 7 років тому +21

      Andreanata Noivan sorry i forgot to put this in. meant for the people asking what the difference was

    • @meghnashankar591
      @meghnashankar591 7 років тому +1

      Hansol Bling ^

  • @stinw.9226
    @stinw.9226 7 років тому +4049

    Interestingly, in this list the same girls often appear in both categories, meaning people shouldn't judge too harshly by just hearing one performance. Everyone's voices have ups and downs :)

    • @moriyunjae93
      @moriyunjae93 7 років тому +319

      Stin W. that means she is inconsistent with the support

    • @kennie39
      @kennie39 7 років тому +68

      Let's wait for The snowball or that they got older and learned

    • @chaoe123
      @chaoe123 7 років тому +12

      Stin W. not so hyang

    • @jesusrivera0509
      @jesusrivera0509 7 років тому +148

      it shows inconsistency, like yuju, or just when their supported range ends, like solar, solji, and uji, they do great in the middle notes but not so much with the higher notes

    • @moriyunjae93
      @moriyunjae93 7 років тому +15

      chaoe123 true so hyang tho

  • @bee5120
    @bee5120 7 років тому +1073

    Here you can really see SM's great quality training impact by how every SM artist that was shown is in the "Support" category.
    Many people easily discredit SM for only prioritizing visual appearances and/or dancing talent but it's always been clear that the company puts so much more effort into training their artists to vocalize with proper technique so they sing with more quality and professionally.
    Heckn, even Tiffany who is often the target of being a weak vocalist is shown here singing "Support" technique.

    • @chiboy3000
      @chiboy3000 7 років тому +84

      That's good. It's nice to know that SOME people know the importance of technique.

    • @TenshiKTama
      @TenshiKTama 7 років тому +12

      i only saw Tiffany in Strain category. The only other member i saw was Taeyeon in Support category 3x.
      When did you see Support Tiffany?
      edit: oh nevermind it was support

    • @bee5120
      @bee5120 7 років тому +54

      +TenshiKTama 0:57 min -> SNSD Tiffany Support | A4

    • @starling6589
      @starling6589 7 років тому +109

      i'm not a huge fan of SM but i have to agree, i respect them for the proper training they give to their idols. wish other companies could invest more on that as well.

    • @miccheck12imawaterfall79
      @miccheck12imawaterfall79 6 років тому +11

      Yess and i love one of their vocal trainer..hihit..(saw it on sister slamdunk 2)

  • @aliciaejwhite
    @aliciaejwhite 7 років тому +317

    So what we've learned here is that Ailee is incredible haha

  • @kriztellejoycejavier6811
    @kriztellejoycejavier6811 7 років тому +1885

    honestly luna the most underrated vocal of all time

    • @epcotball1287
      @epcotball1287 7 років тому +47

      Kriztelle Joyce Javier FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT 👏👏👏

    • @deeohel
      @deeohel 7 років тому +18

      i think Yuji is also very underrated

    • @meech5407
      @meech5407 7 років тому +8

      Dannea L. Yuju is anything but underrated

    • @deeohel
      @deeohel 7 років тому +12

      WinWinisacutieanddeserveslove omg i just noticed theres actually a typo. who i actually meant was bestie's Yuji

    • @meech5407
      @meech5407 7 років тому +5

      Dannea L. Oh cause I was like where 😂

  • @joeyjose727
    @joeyjose727 7 років тому +2566

    I don't know shit about singing but this was so fucking cool. I mean I don't really know what strained or support technically mean when it comes to this stuff, but the supported singing sounded so great

    • @cosmowjsn3695
      @cosmowjsn3695 7 років тому +20

      Joey Perez oh my god is that raven bitch i'm shook

    • @joeyjose727
      @joeyjose727 7 років тому +9

      Hell yes it is, Season 2 Episode 3, Country Realness, aka her best look
      (I mean thats not true at all, but I still love it)

    • @joeyjose727
      @joeyjose727 7 років тому +2

      Wow it'd be so nice to have talent
      and YES, Raven is still delivering the looks, I've been well fed for years

    • @chaeyoungsbestie414
      @chaeyoungsbestie414 7 років тому +30

      Chloe A When I sing I strain a lot, but when I use support I can't hit the notes like I could when I strain. I have a limited range with support so idk how to go over this hump :( I just sing recreationally and for some extra cash on the side to help my family out, so I don't have access to a vocal trainer. Do you know anything about solving this issue?

    • @lloveComedy
      @lloveComedy 7 років тому +72

      It's basically Stability (Support) vs Mobility (Strain). Singers strains to reach a note outside their range. Or also because they are not using proper breathing technique.

  • @duniaundso6649
    @duniaundso6649 7 років тому +663

    my throat kinda hurts now xD

  • @hhelenawang
    @hhelenawang 7 років тому +428

    thank god for this video - I'm so sick of some idols being lauded as fabulous singers when their strain gives me anxiety. It's so bad for their voices!! Good technique is part of being a musician

    • @IndianaJonas96
      @IndianaJonas96 7 років тому +25

      Helena Wang ok but there are different types of "fabulous" singers. Obviously i dont think they should damage themselves, but they dont only qualify as "fabulous" if their technique is perfect 100% of the time.
      To those who dont study about singing, a lot of the time you dont even notice the technical errors and you just like the tone/emotion of the voice, the melody, the manipulation, or you're impressed by the note/length,strength etc

    • @IndianaJonas96
      @IndianaJonas96 7 років тому +6

      Helena Wang actors have lots of potentially damaging techniques to pull off good performances, it doesnt change how much you enjoy the performance

    • @hhelenawang
      @hhelenawang 7 років тому +31

      that's true, but good technique never impedes a performance. Of course the ability to entertain is also really important, and a performance with pure technique and no excitement isn't worth anything, but I'm speaking as a musician that knows a little (not a lot) about singing and I can say for a fact that it stresses me out listening to performers sing without good technique. It's not that it makes me enjoy the music less, I really just worry for their voices... technique breeds longevity, and I worry about those who don't have it because their voices won't last their career! Also just as a person, there are so many average singers that people think are amazing that I just don't understand. There are quite a few kpop singers who truly have a gift and yet there are those that are praised who barely measure up. It's the hype that really frustrates me. It's demonstrative of a misinformed audience and probably a really stressed out idol.

    • @omgarmyonces3585
      @omgarmyonces3585 4 роки тому +2

      They're idol for a reason honey

    • @jisooturtlerabbitkim7683
      @jisooturtlerabbitkim7683 Рік тому

      @@omgarmyonces3585 Not necessarily, sometimes it's just about having good connections. Of course, a lot of idols work hard to get where they're at, but a lot are not taught to properly support their vocals which leads to straining.

  • @yangchuyou2356
    @yangchuyou2356 7 років тому +1241

    Strain: Using throat
    Support: Using diaphragm

    • @chimanruler15
      @chimanruler15 6 років тому +20

      Indeed.

    • @GetWellSoonR.E.M.
      @GetWellSoonR.E.M. 5 років тому +95

      Sometimes, but people straining could be engaging their diaphragm, but also using other extrinsic muscles in the throat or elsewhere in the body to aid in the sound.

    • @eiryves8554
      @eiryves8554 5 років тому +41

      it's alot more complicated than that, but that's one way of looking at it.

    • @GetWellSoonR.E.M.
      @GetWellSoonR.E.M. 4 роки тому +22

      @@thunderstorm__8147 exactly. So many people try to couple support as being a sound free from tension with diaphragm support. All support is is engagement of the diaphragm while singing. Plenty of the examples in the strain catagory can be using their diaphragm, but also pushing or forcing their sound. Healthy vocalizing can occur even without using alot of your support. Often times, a healthier sound comes from less trying

    • @GetWellSoonR.E.M.
      @GetWellSoonR.E.M. 4 роки тому +13

      @@thunderstorm__8147 the biggest thing about SLS is that the sound should ALWAYS be easy. Regardless of belting, chest voice, head voice, falsetto, loud or quiet. The sound should never feel like it takes alot of effort. Whatever sound is easier to produce and is sustainable is what matters.

  • @markleesicecream9540
    @markleesicecream9540 7 років тому +2484

    Fun fact if you hear a whine or a gasp off air at the end of high notes that means they're most likely straining.

    • @azee7492
      @azee7492 7 років тому +176

      like IU three high note? she always have that little squeak at the end

    • @chidera1113
      @chidera1113 7 років тому +139

      Min Q yeah, those are always strained

    • @Mimi-mq2wj
      @Mimi-mq2wj 7 років тому +13

      Taeyeon's slave but when do you get to breath in singing

    • @goosegoose5526
      @goosegoose5526 7 років тому +24

      Stan talent Stan Hoshi,sana, taehyung and got7 singers take quick breaths

    • @Mimi-mq2wj
      @Mimi-mq2wj 7 років тому +5

      Fat Pineapple thanks ☺️

  • @michelleceje
    @michelleceje 7 років тому +141

    hearing Taeyeon, Ailee and Eunji sings really amuse me. They're such a great singer and sings hard songs with like no effort

  • @IDK-fp9uf
    @IDK-fp9uf 6 років тому +167

    Poor Yuju, her technique is actually good compared to rookie girl-groups' main vocalists that their supported range stop in A4, Bb4 or B4, while her supported range goes 'till a C#5 and she has a good volume output. Such pity that her company just pulls her away from her range with those high notes on their title tracks.

    • @pterocardio
      @pterocardio 3 роки тому +18

      i think it's weird to say it's the company's doing when she's shown to add a lot of adlibs of her own. i've seen her randomly modify notes to make them higher, sometimes adding F5s in runs. from what I've gathered, she genuinely likes to sing that high herself and it's not really the company forcing her to do it.

    • @nishatjeonkim2096
      @nishatjeonkim2096 3 роки тому +18

      @@pterocardio exactly. She likes singing and she probably enjoyed doing those high notes before they really took a toll on her voice.

    • @theeepidural6144
      @theeepidural6144 3 роки тому +8

      @@nishatjeonkim2096 luckily i hope she’s resting her voice since Eunha has been taking over and she seems to be getting better on her B4s again which is progress

    • @felixprism
      @felixprism 3 роки тому +2

      @@theeepidural6144 yes, let's hope for the best for yuju....

    • @theeepidural6144
      @theeepidural6144 Рік тому

      @健杰 she’s always supported in the 5th octave ik that, i’m talking about how tense she was. Yuju did regress cause she lost her resonance in the 5th octave, that myth that she lost support i agree is stupid. but i knew that she always supported up there

  • @oduwo
    @oduwo 7 років тому +2661

    So what I've gathered from this is that Ailee is a god

    • @michhelada1422
      @michhelada1422 7 років тому +20

      Zoe Jordan pretty much xD

    • @teddykal9838
      @teddykal9838 7 років тому +60

      Zoe Jordan
      not really search so hyang that is a god XD

    • @xVVhite
      @xVVhite 7 років тому +29

      Zoe Jordan i mean look at her, she looks like shes doing it so effortlessly

    • @teddykal9838
      @teddykal9838 6 років тому +20

      LazyBean
      Its because she does

    • @riahjb1393
      @riahjb1393 6 років тому

      Yes

  • @liamdo151
    @liamdo151 7 років тому +1972

    The supported notes sounds really beautiful, free, powerful and have the singer's tonality

  • @redraselom5610
    @redraselom5610 7 років тому +131

    When Sohyang suddenly appeared, I was like, "Holy shit, why did you include a non-human here!". XD

  • @natm8368
    @natm8368 7 років тому +111

    So Hyang supports to infinity and beyond LOL

  • @synovelle
    @synovelle 7 років тому +3388

    To strain is to force the note to come out- it comes from the throat, and is damaging to the vocal cords. There is no real air in it.
    To support is to sing from the gut, meaning that you're using your diaphragm to push the notes out. It's much more natural and is less likely to hurt your vocal cords. It's called support because there's proper air support behind the notes.
    Those who strain have been trained to just reach the note in whatever way they can. They haven't received proper training. They haven't been taught how singing works inside the body, they're just told to make it sound good.
    Those who support have be trained very properly and have been taught how singing works inside your body, not just how it sounds.
    Straining makes notes sound pitchy and out of tune sometimes. Those who strain generally sound younger, even if they aren't young in age.
    Support is much more powerful, and you usually hear more vibrato in it. Those who use support sound much more mature.

  • @katiekawaii
    @katiekawaii 7 років тому +1121

    As someone with very little understanding of singing technique, I find it fascinating that you can see how different their faces look when straining vs supporting. In the "support" clips, it almost looks like they're just opening their mouths and releasing the sound into the world rather than making it happen. In the "strain" clips, it looks like there are muscles in the face and neck being tightly controlled to push the sound into shape. So interesting.

    • @HBickford96
      @HBickford96 6 років тому +66

      katie kawaii Because that almost is what they're doing. With proper support, notes are much easier to hit and let soar while strained singing taxes the muscles in your face and especially your neck which is quite dangerous in the long run.

    • @BOREDOM6969
      @BOREDOM6969 6 років тому +24

      There is also a short gasp after their strained notes, an evidence that they push into their notes

    • @izonexbae
      @izonexbae 4 роки тому +1

      katie kawaii
      But then you have Yeonjung

    • @xrrgr
      @xrrgr 2 роки тому +3

      @@izonexbae this is true, straining doesn't always make you tighten your face. tho some singers train themselves to look relaxed even when their voices aren't

  • @laramiaizz
    @laramiaizz 7 років тому +201

    Minah looked so proud with her strained note..

    • @jeanienguyen1543
      @jeanienguyen1543 6 років тому +28

      laramiaizz I thought it was so funny omg

    • @mrloverman2.0
      @mrloverman2.0 6 років тому +2

      laramiaizz ikr 😂

    • @lostgypsygurl
      @lostgypsygurl 6 років тому +90

      laramiaizz i think she was proud that she was able to hit the note which she did she just didn't do it in a healthy way. She was hurting her throat in the process

    • @hannahuwu4499
      @hannahuwu4499 5 років тому +70

      What’s wrong with it? She was proud that she was even able to hit it.. of course it wasn’t the correct technique but let the girl be proud of herself..

    • @lastly4431
      @lastly4431 5 років тому +3

      HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @lly9213
    @lly9213 7 років тому +90

    Why don't I see any comments on Eunji? She did well tho :D

  • @ayokekw
    @ayokekw 7 років тому +420

    I've always found that strained singing was much thinner and nasally sounding compared to that of supported singing which is more "rounded" and wholesome.

    • @julianna9882
      @julianna9882 6 років тому +10

      ohship thats the whole point, when you support your voice you make it the most open and rich as you can.

    • @zeff8820
      @zeff8820 3 роки тому +1

      Bullshit lol.....even the support one in this video sound tiny, thin and whiny because they losing their tone...they're not a good singers at all...

  • @KitsuneMale
    @KitsuneMale 7 років тому +3477

    I think this is a nice idea but explaining to people what strain and support mean would help them understand the video a little better.

    • @ohsehun9660
      @ohsehun9660 7 років тому +338

      KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) Totally agree, she/he should put their explanation first in the beginning of the video so there is no confusion from the fans.

    • @Jessicanly
      @Jessicanly 7 років тому +341

      i honestly didnt know what it meant but by listening you hear the difference. i can understand now

    • @arinafaktor1430
      @arinafaktor1430 7 років тому +1

      KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) щ

    • @KitsuneMale
      @KitsuneMale 7 років тому +2

      ?

    • @venusvirus3071
      @venusvirus3071 7 років тому +75

      KitsuneMale (KpopVocalAnalysis) please explain to me about strain and support mean.

  • @AegyoKpop913
    @AegyoKpop913 7 років тому +28

    4:48 I can't get over that flawless note, that resonance!!!

  • @spotify5635
    @spotify5635 6 років тому +16

    9:17-9:20 I think that was the most pleasing thing I’ve ever heard.

    • @masonkyle6318
      @masonkyle6318 14 днів тому

      you're so real for this comment, 100% agree

  • @wiikillinboredum
    @wiikillinboredum 7 років тому +975

    ailee has me shook

  • @missboldsen
    @missboldsen 7 років тому +1108

    For people who can't tell the difference between strained and supported, from a view of someone who doesn't know about singing from a professional point of view but just a music lover:
    Pretty much every time someone strains their voice while singing I can physically feel it in my forhead and my nose because when I hear that kind of sound I can feel that the singer uses a lot of force/air and probably can't breath properly (often I momentarily stop beathing when singers strain their voices)
    I don't know if this is this happens to me because my brain thinks the voice I hear is my voice...
    When I hear a voice which is supported I can feel it more in the back of my head/throat and it almost feels like I can breath better.

    • @kittyflufflove5894
      @kittyflufflove5894 7 років тому +71

      The first thing you learn while learning how to sing is the right posture and how to relax your jaw. Strained notes are being forced out and happen because you tense your jaw. That's really bad for your vocal chords. With the right technique you can learn how to avoid that. That's also how you can hear if someone had vocal education or if they are just "people who sing".

    • @Dreamaparadize
      @Dreamaparadize 7 років тому +15

      you could be a case of some sort of synesthesia

    • @notmyname3556
      @notmyname3556 7 років тому +12

      my music teacher thought me to sing while touching the back of my head for high notes. lol.
      I was a soprano in school choir. So it kinda work.

    • @wonderfulhearts
      @wonderfulhearts 7 років тому +8

      missboldsen i feel this, too. i thought I was the only one.

    • @aloevera420
      @aloevera420 7 років тому +33

      For me, I can actually feel my own throat hurting when I hear people straining

  • @pauletah101
    @pauletah101 7 років тому +44

    B4 is like a easy peasy for Jeong Eunji.

  • @minnie1751
    @minnie1751 7 років тому +70

    Eunji, Luna, Ailee, and Taeyeon 😍

  • @kikenna
    @kikenna 7 років тому +690

    Listening to Ailee hit them notes is like listening to an angel ascend from heaven tbh

    • @bajeebies
      @bajeebies 6 років тому +3

      leave it to the choir people i think it would be best to say ailee leaves the ears in constant eargasm ugh

  • @rainbowcake1818
    @rainbowcake1818 7 років тому +623

    After watching this i feel like i'm gonna cringe listening to high notes in kpop

    • @user-vr8ey3by6p
      @user-vr8ey3by6p 7 років тому +85

      Soloey Solo you will i promise

    • @eri6984
      @eri6984 6 років тому +2

      Ahahahahha I feel like I become an expert 😂😂😂

  • @fazreanaathira-278
    @fazreanaathira-278 7 років тому +36

    luna's high notes give me a quick goosebumps

  • @lvnsuji5672
    @lvnsuji5672 4 роки тому +46

    7:24 she's the best vocalist from a girl group in the history of kpop. please play attention to lina y'all she's from a group called 'the grace (csjh)' and they are under SM and have been on hiatus for like a decade but they are the best vocal group in korea. it's a shame sm didn't invest in them really

    • @GuinevereYT
      @GuinevereYT Рік тому +3

      You need to know Lee Younghyun, vocalist from Big Mama (Gen 1)

  • @niamhkmcg
    @niamhkmcg 7 років тому +695

    of course ailee demonstrating support queen of stable vocals

    • @MsJasperRathbone
      @MsJasperRathbone 7 років тому

      Niamh McGrath what was the song she sang at the beginning?

    • @niamhkmcg
      @niamhkmcg 7 років тому +9

      i believe it's the korean version of one day more from les misérables

    • @teddykal9838
      @teddykal9838 7 років тому +6

      Niamh McGrath queen of vocals is so hyang

    • @justleaveaileealone1254
      @justleaveaileealone1254 7 років тому +2

      Naeyons and minas dildo mann sohyang ain't kpop singer

    • @AegyoKpop913
      @AegyoKpop913 7 років тому

      Indeed.

  • @rachelle8894
    @rachelle8894 7 років тому +197

    If you strain: clean cut voice sound, sounds on the edge of screaming, shallow, almost visualization of a plane
    If you support: round sound, often more intense voice vibrato, almost like yawning

  • @khadijahsani3574
    @khadijahsani3574 7 років тому +42

    Its so hurt hearing the strained ones.

  • @jillmae3400
    @jillmae3400 6 років тому +64

    Vocal Goddesses EUNJI, TAEYEON, AILEE 😍

    • @huhjanus
      @huhjanus 5 років тому +4

      Eunji the Main Vocal eunjiiiii!!!!!!!!

  • @joshuadelacerna5631
    @joshuadelacerna5631 7 років тому +1982

    too sad that many newly debuting groups are becoming mediocre to weak in terms of vocals especially for the males

    • @Xxxsorrow
      @Xxxsorrow 7 років тому +213

      I agree. But for girl groups, there's Blackpink and Red Velvet. I think Wendy is one of the best vocalists of this new generation of idols. Her voice is so powerful.

    • @rachelle8894
      @rachelle8894 7 років тому +529

      Blackpink does not have good vocals. The only one is Rose, but she strains. Regarding Red Velvet, I don't stan them but I agree wholeheartedly :)

    • @munxox
      @munxox 7 років тому +361

      Xxxsorrow blackpink doesnt have good vocals lmao, they have stable vocals, theyre better with the rap and dancing

    • @aquariuslove5709
      @aquariuslove5709 7 років тому +330

      Xxxsorrow Where did you get the idea of BlackPink being good vocalists from? the only vocalist in the group is Rose and she's even worse than Jihyo who is an average vocalist.

    • @znrva8115
      @znrva8115 7 років тому +324

      don't forget Mamamoo☺ their vocals are super good tho. even the rapper can sing

  • @sfs5293
    @sfs5293 7 років тому +330

    This video shows that just because singers have their bad singing moments, doesn't mean they CAN'T sing. People should learn

    • @sfs5293
      @sfs5293 7 років тому

      SAMMY JUNG i have no idea what u mean

    • @resqxe_1422
      @resqxe_1422 4 роки тому +2

      sfs040 even if there is a moment when a singer strains, it doesn't mean they are entire.h bad at singing.

    • @sleepyearth
      @sleepyearth 4 роки тому +2

      It is not bad singing moments. It's bad singing. Period. People like you should learn. Like really learn what is the differences between support and strain.

    • @sleepyearth
      @sleepyearth 4 роки тому

      @@resqxe_1422 It do means they don't know how to use good vocal technique to sing. We can also predict all of these strained singing will destroy their vocal if they goes on using the same technique.

    • @resqxe_1422
      @resqxe_1422 4 роки тому

      off-kilter I'm aware but some of the vocalists who strained, are able to support as well, there's just moments where they are straining to release the note (not trying to justify that it's right). I know it's not good for the vocalists, in the long term.

  • @ryujinryuk
    @ryujinryuk 6 років тому +10

    I love how proud minah is while straining the fck out of that note

  • @goldenp3arl874
    @goldenp3arl874 7 років тому +154

    Of course Davichi, Ailee, Sohyang, Hyorin, and Eunji are the support they are actually goddesses

    • @GuinevereYT
      @GuinevereYT Рік тому +2

      Hey you forgot Seungyeon and Younghyun

  • @cacacrumbs
    @cacacrumbs 7 років тому +83

    I'm the part where it shows Yuju straining and then Yuju supported back to back.

  • @zee3e
    @zee3e 7 років тому +218

    the video of luna signing always makes me smile

  • @misspurpleswan
    @misspurpleswan 7 років тому +352

    strain makes me uncomfortable when listen to them. goddesses taeyeon, ailee and luna awesome.. yuju gfriend sounds have a big potential to improve her technique..

    • @yuankent9
      @yuankent9 6 років тому +2

      misspurpleswan same but sometimes i find strained high notes funny I don't know why. I think I'm crazy lol

    • @slaypa
      @slaypa 2 роки тому

      welp i hope she can blast her technique again, after joining source mushit and debut as Gfriend in general the girls never been thought a vocal lesson and they always push Yuju to do High note that out of her comfortable range and then BOOM!! 2018-2020 Yuju had some reggresion but after they left Soumu and Yuju now starts her vocal lesson to her old vocal coach again before she debut so i will hope she improved her techniques again

  • @fishflakes
    @fishflakes 7 років тому +33

    SO HYANG'S VOCALS ARE NO JOKE

  • @Szaknj
    @Szaknj 7 років тому +1965

    Ailee truly has a voice as beautiful as beyonce's

    • @heeheehaheho5649
      @heeheehaheho5649 7 років тому +18

      Ikr

    • @daisy-jh9if
      @daisy-jh9if 7 років тому +25

      Christina Heart THEY WOULD SLAY US LIKE DAMNNNN

    • @teddykal9838
      @teddykal9838 7 років тому +163

      Chaelee lin
      but beyonce has better technique considering her mezzo testitura she has better lows and mids and beautiful runs
      beyonce is beyonce
      ailee is ailee

    • @sis-2010
      @sis-2010 6 років тому +7

      Beyoncé? I think that's a bit too much, no offence

    • @AteezheadlinesMAWAZINE
      @AteezheadlinesMAWAZINE 6 років тому +4

      I find Ailee to be in the top two for me vocally [FEMALE} in Korea however, she is not able to reach Beyonce's lower register. Also, as long as the songs don't have Beyonce's riffs and runs, it would be a great duet. She can't do those either.

  • @wenlee1980
    @wenlee1980 7 років тому +89

    jung eunjii really amaze me

  • @justleaveaileealone1254
    @justleaveaileealone1254 7 років тому +119

    the beast vocalists here are Sohyang, Ailee, Son Seungyeon and Davici's Lee Haeri

    • @huhjanus
      @huhjanus 5 років тому +8

      you're missing out on eunji

    • @gg6040
      @gg6040 5 років тому +6

      @Eifanya Leykam solji used to strain a lot..but i think after the hiatus she improved a lot

    • @ElyanaTaenor
      @ElyanaTaenor 3 роки тому

      Taeyeon too WTH?

    • @slaypa
      @slaypa 2 роки тому

      @@gg6040 yes after her comeback in 2018 she is very consistent her C#5 and now she's has some support several peaks D5

  • @dazzlingfire5124
    @dazzlingfire5124 6 років тому +38

    best vocals: taeyeon, ailee(most favorite), eunji (my opinion)

    • @voce477
      @voce477 5 років тому +2

      Dazzlingfire 97 sohyang

  • @DimasRifkyA
    @DimasRifkyA 7 років тому +130

    Please add resonance, you could mark "resonance" with gold or green font, and I hope you explain in the beginning of your video about what is strain, support, and resonance. So all of the KPOP fans would know more about their biases vocal technique.
    And if you don't mind give (X) beside "strain", (check) beside support, and (star) beside resonance.
    And of course this video is so great, I liked this!

    • @EXIDek
      @EXIDek  7 років тому +31

      Thank you, I'll definitely take these into consideration when making the next video :) However I don't rly trust my ears to differentiate between support and resonance, nor my knowledge about the subject to give a proper explanation for the terms but I'll definitely see what I can do, since this video was a little lacking in that aspect :)

    • @rainbowcake1818
      @rainbowcake1818 7 років тому +1

      what's the difference anyway .__.

    • @resurgingflame
      @resurgingflame 7 років тому +14

      Soloey Solo support & resonant is very different. Someone can be supported but not resonant while resonant singing is always supported.

    • @heemi5793
      @heemi5793 7 років тому +6

      Resonance I think is the correct placing of voice within the vocal parts in your head. Support is when you correctly breathe and use your diaphragm without putting much force in your vocal cords. Just sharing my knowledge about singing 😊

  • @rachelle8894
    @rachelle8894 7 років тому +117

    WHO IS THIS U.JI I GOTTA GO STAN HER RN

    • @venusvirus3071
      @venusvirus3071 7 років тому +13

      Rachelle H. Main vocal from Bestie

    • @SunSooTae
      @SunSooTae 7 років тому +4

      Rachelle H. watch all of her solo stages she's so good haha

    • @yyela_
      @yyela_ 6 років тому

      Rachelle H. Hahahaha same! I'm thinking of looking her up after this vid. Her voice's so nice

    • @muhamadazamuddin5925
      @muhamadazamuddin5925 6 років тому +1

      Rachelle H. Please support her & BESTie!

  • @arseniotegari6541
    @arseniotegari6541 6 років тому +64

    Beside So Hyang (of course, she is the ultimate goddess of vocal), Ailee and Son Seungyeon really had me shook! Their resonance and support were really in place and consistent! These 3 are my picks for Korean vocal trinity! What’s your pick?

    • @flakesnow4234
      @flakesnow4234 6 років тому +6

      For me, Lee young hyun. She is the only one who can support up to G5 and G#5 in Korea except Sohyang. What's more, her emotion is really awesome. I'm sorry I can't write this word in English -> 처절함. She can sing a variety of high notes as well as wide genre range.

    • @GuinevereYT
      @GuinevereYT Рік тому +3

      @@flakesnow4234 Lee Younghyun only Consistent support to F#5/G5 but she can support and resonance up to Bb5 at the best!

  • @meyojoy1115
    @meyojoy1115 7 років тому +27

    i love how u bring some underrated great vocals

  • @Aaronferrer22
    @Aaronferrer22 7 років тому +98

    ailee consistently support 💯👌💯👌👌💯💯😃😲👌💯

  • @julis2005
    @julis2005 7 років тому +444

    you should do this with male idols too

    • @EXIDek
      @EXIDek  7 років тому +73

      Yes, a male version is already in progress :)

    • @HereIStandbyU
      @HereIStandbyU 7 років тому +19

      I hope you include GOT7's YoungJae. Sometimes I think he gets parts that are a bit out of his range and its "strain". But I want confirmation.

    • @EXIDek
      @EXIDek  7 років тому +11

      HereIStandbyU I might include him - if you're curious about his technique tho, there's a very detailed analysis of it here :) www.google.dk/amp/s/kpopvocalanalysis.net/2016/09/06/got7s-vocal-analysis-youngjae/amp/

    • @kel-lc3tc
      @kel-lc3tc 7 років тому +8

      +EXIDek For male strain can you add that part in seventeens very nice where seungkwan does that high note?Even in the official audio it sounds strained..

    • @sobeast734
      @sobeast734 7 років тому +1

      EXIDek i cant wait for male version. i am wondering about got7 youngjae's range strain and support too :)

  • @krystelong5242
    @krystelong5242 7 років тому +148

    QUEEN TAEYEON AILEE
    LUNA SOLJI HYORIN AND EUNJI demonstrating great vocal technique

    • @GuinevereYT
      @GuinevereYT Рік тому +1

      If a queen is taeyeon and ailee, sohyang must be a god

  • @mr.mindless6623
    @mr.mindless6623 5 років тому +12

    I love how Yuju fought herself, such a queen

  • @Jane3967
    @Jane3967 7 років тому +23

    SoHyang has me crying since I listened to her Arirang performance

  • @yuliantochandra4003
    @yuliantochandra4003 7 років тому +56

    Son Seung Yeon, Kim Yeonji, So Hyang, Ailee, and lee Haeri nailed it

    • @resurgingflame
      @resurgingflame 7 років тому +4

      YULIYANTO CHANDRA , that's because all of them have a really good technique compared to the other vocalists.

  • @thanhbao8420
    @thanhbao8420 6 років тому +235

    The holy trinity in my opinion is Ailee, Taeyeon and Eunji

    • @blueorangeade712
      @blueorangeade712 6 років тому +27

      Thanh Nguyen Luna is ranked higher then Taeyeon vocal wise

    • @voce477
      @voce477 5 років тому +49

      Thanh Nguyen the Holy Trinity of Korea is Sohyang, ailee and son seungyeon

    • @agielleshtt367
      @agielleshtt367 5 років тому +8

      @@blueorangeade712 luna enji and taeyeon has same ranked of vocal technique

    • @NatWarrior1
      @NatWarrior1 4 роки тому +3

      sem nome Lmao you said “Taste” 😔🤘

    • @badbada3003
      @badbada3003 4 роки тому +4

      @@agielleshtt367 nope luna can support to Eb5 while taeyeon starined at that note

  • @CassandraDidoMedea
    @CassandraDidoMedea 7 років тому +31

    Ailee being a vocal queen as usual 👑💁

    • @GuinevereYT
      @GuinevereYT Рік тому +1

      Sohyang is gonna be a god vocal if Ailee is queen vocal

  • @greysonwang3747
    @greysonwang3747 7 років тому +112

    Hyorin!& Solji

    • @realist4418
      @realist4418 7 років тому +28

      Greyson Wang but solji does strain quite a lot generally or from what I've heard

    • @victory_ao
      @victory_ao 7 років тому +26

      Solji strains because she has high notes in choruses and she has to constantly strain for the notes

    • @victory_ao
      @victory_ao 7 років тому +9

      Sohyang and solji are not the same person. Their vocal ranges are different... And there is a reason why solji is in a group and sohyang isnt

    • @a-aronza380
      @a-aronza380 7 років тому +3

      Vocal fach isn't an excuse (Both are full lyric sopranos), so if she has to strain because she keeps on hitting high notes that shows her limited technique.

  • @Wind123move
    @Wind123move 7 років тому +678

    where is queen of straining park bom ? and where legendary IU 3 straining high notes ?

    • @gisellesmiddlefinger8845
      @gisellesmiddlefinger8845 7 років тому +50

      omg hahaha

    • @OliviaWonka
      @OliviaWonka 7 років тому +154

      wi rep omg lol. I love bom but it's true. I hope she get treatment and a good vocal teacher

    • @alexisaspy2429
      @alexisaspy2429 7 років тому +7

      Olivia Wonka its bc she has a condition that fucked up her throat (idk what its called)

    • @Wind123move
      @Wind123move 7 років тому +175

      crvshn her "condition" is she sang with bad technique & keep damaging her throat over the years
      . she is done for

    • @alexisaspy2429
      @alexisaspy2429 7 років тому

      wi rep true

  • @robertmyers7383
    @robertmyers7383 4 роки тому +16

    So Hyang is on a different level. Nobody can touch her.

  • @EvaMaenen
    @EvaMaenen 6 років тому +34

    Ailee Eunji and Taeyeon are just amazing. They make it seem so effortless.

  • @allie_veto
    @allie_veto 7 років тому +28

    I liked this video. A next video suggestion could be falsetto vs strained head voice vs supported head voice because I really appreciate good head voices

    • @teddykal9838
      @teddykal9838 7 років тому

      Alana O'Brien
      if you like good headvoices search so hyang,whitney houston and park ki young thank me later

  • @santalikedennia3348
    @santalikedennia3348 7 років тому +210

    SM vocalists are the best👍👍

  • @sapphiremurphy4551
    @sapphiremurphy4551 7 років тому +54

    Can we just take a minute to appreciate Luna and Ailee please. 👏🏾👏🏾

  • @mounemuii
    @mounemuii 7 років тому +33

    Ailee and Sohyang killed it dang

  • @sherylyaseen6719
    @sherylyaseen6719 7 років тому +53

    Shoulda put in Luna's performance of "Mom" :')

  • @jas53
    @jas53 7 років тому +446

    omg lol i dont understand.. i know nothing about vocals 😂

    • @EXIDek
      @EXIDek  7 років тому +85

      hehe yeah i probably should've had some definition but i suck at explaining stuff lol.. essentially strain means the singer is relying on tension and closing the throat muscles to produce sound, which is unhealthy and ''bad'' from a technical viewpoint, and often creates the gritty/throaty/closed sound heard in the examples. Whereas support means the singer is utilizing their breath to create a healthy, open supported sound

    • @jas53
      @jas53 7 років тому +1

      EXIDek ohh ok now i understand, thank you~

    • @yiqichai3975
      @yiqichai3975 7 років тому

      I can guess the meaning,strain or support,but it‘s more clear after your explanation

    • @RapIsDeadly
      @RapIsDeadly 7 років тому

      That makes two of us.

    • @MissSushi123
      @MissSushi123 7 років тому +42

      for me its kinda like
      strain = sounds like they forgot to breathe properly before singing and support = breathed properly to sing the note in a hearty way idk

  • @BOREDOM6969
    @BOREDOM6969 5 років тому +19

    Son Seungyeon supports up to F#5
    Ailee supports up to F5 with one G5
    Lee Hyeri supports up to F5
    Yeonji supports up to Eb5
    Hyorin *supported* up to F#5 but she regressed down to D5
    *SOHYANG SUPPORTA UP TO C#6*

  • @xSketchMyLife
    @xSketchMyLife 7 років тому +13

    Eunji, what a queen

  • @oklenabrianlymait8099
    @oklenabrianlymait8099 7 років тому +16

    So Hyang Queen of Resonance
    Ailee Princess of Resonance 😍🖒

  • @angela_pink882
    @angela_pink882 4 роки тому +10

    People also seem to forget it’s not like all of these artists strain every time they hit these notes. Most of the time they start straining when they feel they missed a breath and know they can’t get the note in without their voice breaking.

  • @athenaheung
    @athenaheung 6 років тому +10

    Eunji's high note💕

  • @gandalfthepink563
    @gandalfthepink563 6 років тому +5

    Eunji. Always remembered in my head as a good support singer, and reply 1997 ♡♡

  • @katherinenguyen7558
    @katherinenguyen7558 7 років тому +48

    Yuju is really pretty good though

  • @zalmea3877
    @zalmea3877 7 років тому +30

    I could listen to Ailee all day her voice is amazing. God Bless.

  • @maiiia_nne6837
    @maiiia_nne6837 7 років тому +10

    AILEE'S VOICE IS HEAVEN ASSFGHKLLLLL OMG KMG AILEE I LOVE U GURL

  • @xoxojerusha4406
    @xoxojerusha4406 7 років тому +26

    8:44 had me cracking up and then that girls face they showed ☠️

  • @sxnsxrab7375
    @sxnsxrab7375 7 років тому +201

    Hyorin and Taeyeon queens!

    • @sherylyaseen6719
      @sherylyaseen6719 7 років тому +20

      Sxnsxr AB And Luna (there wasn't enough of her in this video)

    • @moriyunjae93
      @moriyunjae93 7 років тому +8

      Sxnsxr AB lol no so hyang is

    • @sherylyaseen6719
      @sherylyaseen6719 7 років тому +6

      Isn't So hyang not kpop, though?

    • @moriyunjae93
      @moriyunjae93 7 років тому

      Sheryl Yaseen she is a kpop but she isn't an idol

    • @sherylyaseen6719
      @sherylyaseen6719 7 років тому +4

      Isn't K-Pop culture about being an idol? Aren't idols of pop music?

  • @jimintrash552
    @jimintrash552 7 років тому +136

    demi lovato is pure strain

    • @adriana8540
      @adriana8540 7 років тому +4

      Jas // Jimin Trash I don't think so, she has a good technique

    • @TheMschelsea91
      @TheMschelsea91 7 років тому +16

      Adriana M. not really.. i mean, she's not awful but she isnt as good as people think she is

    • @jimintrash552
      @jimintrash552 7 років тому +32

      Adriana M. you need to see some of the performances I'm talking about....It's pretty well known that she strains a lot. I'm not calling her a bad singer either, she obviously got talent.

    • @aangkorra
      @aangkorra 6 років тому

      I always thought she had a raspy kind of voice

    • @deandregimeno7889
      @deandregimeno7889 6 років тому +3

      She doesn't have good technique actually, she strains but I still love her voice. Its very powerful and she sings with emotions.

  • @chung2F5
    @chung2F5 7 років тому +33

    Minah's C5 made me laugh.

  • @Luna-17
    @Luna-17 7 років тому +6

    Perfect ending with Sohyang cutting loose.
    Perfect example of support, resonance, and consistency.

  • @shineevelvet7067
    @shineevelvet7067 7 років тому +29

    Straining occurs too often nowadays. They just teach them to reach the note, not the bells and whistles of how to sing. I haven't been in choir yet but I've learned from many people about this.

  • @xingren1893
    @xingren1893 7 років тому +36

    so surprised to see Dawon in this video.

    • @venusvirus3071
      @venusvirus3071 7 років тому +3

      Vic Yang yes! She's so underrated.

  • @pixiexarmysupportsquad9174
    @pixiexarmysupportsquad9174 7 років тому +14

    Shannon slays but people still choose to sleep on her. Her effortles high notes are crazy.

  • @liimakino
    @liimakino 7 років тому +27

    Ailee Is my life

  • @IDK-fp9uf
    @IDK-fp9uf 6 років тому +7

    ChoA, GaYoon and MinAh are such straining queens, I can't--

  • @huhjanus
    @huhjanus 5 років тому +6

    eunji never strained. what a fucking legend. a vocal legend indeed

  • @ladyjeany6207
    @ladyjeany6207 7 років тому +84

    So Hyang, Yeon Ji, Seungyeon, Ailee, Eunji, Taeyeon daebak....

    • @JakeReeves001
      @JakeReeves001 3 роки тому

      You forgot Lee Haeri! Support to F#5

  • @kacamataech
    @kacamataech 7 років тому +84

    AILEE'S VOCALS WERE CLEAN DAMNNNNN

  • @nolongerasimp2041
    @nolongerasimp2041 4 роки тому +6

    1:38 I actually really liked that

  • @SYEJ92
    @SYEJ92 7 років тому +28

    Eunji

  • @CatCatCaat
    @CatCatCaat 6 років тому +136

    And people call Tiffany bad.....

    • @sydneyeaster3011
      @sydneyeaster3011 6 років тому +46

      Queen POTATO it's kinda sad. I mean tiffany is not an amazing singer, but she isn't as horrible as people make her out to be.

    • @jaythesoldierjts5419
      @jaythesoldierjts5419 5 років тому +13

      A4 shouldn’t be that high of a note for any of these females to support lol

    • @teenysss
      @teenysss 5 років тому +22

      JAYTHESOLDIER JTS yes but hers was even resonant; something a lot of the supported A4s shown in the video weren’t. she really isn’t bad.

    • @zeff8820
      @zeff8820 5 років тому +2

      She only can support up to Bb4 consistenly, at her best up to B4 compared to taeyeon, jessica and seohyun...she's weak

    • @Lucas-or1ic
      @Lucas-or1ic 4 роки тому +19

      @@zeff8820 compared to the others, she's weaker. heck even sunny resonates eb5 which is on par with tae's highest.
      tiffany is better than many idols. that's a fact even if her technique is average.

  • @leifa.lindholm4480
    @leifa.lindholm4480 Рік тому +1

    Really, really good video. Feels like I'v learned something. THANK YOU!