[Clip from Ep. 125] Rosaria Butterfield: Dangerous Books in the Church
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If I watched this without any prior knowledge of this book or the author, these comments would lead me to the assumption that the author holds to affirming views and theology, and is not willing to commit to difficult biblical truths. Comments to the effect that Preston Sprinkle is ‘leading people along the wrong path’ and suggesting he is promoting a ‘gospel that requires no self-denial’ certainly suggest that he is in favour (in the context of this book) of people embracing ‘self-identity’ and in favour of transitioning. More broadly it would suggest that he affirms same-sex relationships. That is a gross misrepresentation. Furthermore, while I think it would be fair to ask questions about the particular section discussed, I believe a more nuanced approach and a wider discussion of the context of that particular passage would be more helpful. I believe it is important to call out wrong or misleading teaching, however I believe that the tone of this conversation and belittling comments directed toward the author were ungracious, and not a fair representation.
Would really love to see Preston on the show, he is a great speaker and christian, and I think you'd find his explanations to be very beneficial as it does feel like Rosaria is being slightly uncharitable with his words here
100% would LOVE to see you guys reach out to this brother in Christ and ask him to dialogue on this.
"slightly" uncharitable...
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
Yes women should always keep their place and not speak to forcefully to the men.
Preston is scared of the truth. He cannot stand for the truth. He dances around the truth under the guise of being "careful". JESUS never danced around the truth.
It’s sad to see three cowards criticizing someone as valuable and knowledgeable as Preston sprinkle and go on to hide on a high horse, unable to have a conversation claiming that he is so greatly heretical that it’s not worth an open dialogue between accused and accuser.
Oh my goodness, you no longer EVER appear in my feed! I had to search for you to find you. Thank goodness you're still going strong! Bless you, Becket!
Why didn't you interview the author for clarification? Christians should be able to have civil conversations about disagreements and issues.
Amen!!!!! ❤
She didn't want to talk
Preston has tried to speak with her…
I was directed here from Sprinkle's response to Butterfield's criticism. This grieves me. I'm such a huge admirer of these three (and always will be). I take Butterfield's caution seriously re: anything that erodes our understanding of the gospel, and not having read Embodied, I'm quite open to the idea that Sprinkle has said some things that need to be sharply challenged. My grief, however, is that Sprinkle has reached out to have a direct conversation with Butterfield about this and was denied. It's just bad behaviour to make these kinds of accusations publicly but not be willing to engage Sprinkle (even privately) when he tells you you're misrepresenting him. I'm grieved to see this from someone I admire so deeply.
Absolutely. Sorry but she's not very brave, not being willing to talk to him.
Pray for all of them - and for ourselves, as we try to love those with SSA and other feelings that deny God’s design & holiness.
Dr James white has spoken out on Sprinkle as he is in support of those who are transgender as well as homosexual affirming them. What shock and plunges my heart is that he along with messy grace as well as other reformers like gospel colliation has endorese these sinfulful idealogies all for the sake of being loving. I hear the testimony of messy grace pastor and he asked the lord to give him messy people. And this is certainly not from the Lord cause if it was he wont be condoning such sin in his church. This grieves me alot to hear such a testimony and to see what has occured.
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Thanks for engaging, sorrow. I'm not familiar with messy grace, however, I am familiar with Preston Sprinkle and the Gospel Coalition it's just simply and obviously (if you read their stuff) false to say that they affirm homosexual relationships. As for the comment of the messy grace pastor, don't equate welcoming messy people with condoning sin. That's precisely the mistake the Pharisees made when they criticized Jesus for hanging out with tax collectors and prostitutes. If the church can't call messy people, it can't call anyone. Again...I'm not familiar with messy grace, so maybe they are condoning sin. But that's not a fair conclusion based simply on what you've referenced.
@sorrowinchrist3387 Actually...upon further investigation, it turns out I am somewhat familiar with messy grace (i.e. Kaleb Kaltenbach), and I would say the same thing about him as about Sprinkle and the Gospel Coalition...he VERY clearly does not support same-sex sexual relationships as godly. So again, I'd caution you against Pharisaism in criticizing these fellow believers.
Love seeing these 3 beautiful trophies of His grace and hearing their thoughts. ❤
Thank you for the refreshing splash 💦 of truth!
Amazing, and thank you for sharing! These truly are the LAST DAYS promised to believers in the Bible! Come, Lord Jesus, and take Your people home!! 🙏🙏❤❤👍👍😊😊👏👏
No one knows when the last days are. We do know these are our last days. We must be strong and very courageous to walk in truth, speak truth.
I wish Preston was here to defend himself. It would be interesting to hear him discussing this with Becket.
AGREED. Becket should try to get Preston on in order to provide some clarification.
I would like to hear a conversation between Sprinkle and Rosario. I feel as though they come from different perspectives. I appreciate his humility when he speaks. However there are some things that definitely need some push back but I think that this video is a bit harsh. I know that people who have come out of the lgbtq lifestyle will have a different perspective and can say things that others cannot, which is important. . He does try very hard to understand where people are coming from and how they got where they are. Perhaps not well at times and perhaps this is his flaw; however I’m not sure this was a completely fair review without his perspective. Just a Christian sisters thoughts ❤
When did truth become relative to our understanding? We have forgotten our first love and are now following after deceptions of demons in order to fit the proper mode of Christianity that will engage the world rather than the clear proclamation of the Gospel.
@@ashleyhowardfarmer6227- Truth begins with representing the reasons of the other party you want to disprove adequately. Not just because this is a fundamental requirement for a decent scholarly debate but because the 9th Commandment is at stake.
Rosaria has much good to contribute, but she misrepresented Preston Sprinkle in her review. The use of "scare quotes" MAY indicate derision or skepticism of an idea, but it may also indicate a sense of irony. To write about "the fall" does not necessarily imply derision or skepticism. Rather, it would be an invitation to explore the nuances of what is meant by the doctrine. Rosaria chose to use the worst possible meaning associated with what Preston wrote in his book, Embodied, thus poisoning the well, and negatively coloring the rest of the discussion in this video clip. In agreement with Rosaria, Preston could have tightened up his theological analysis, as the Gospel Coalition review also stated. But the wholly negative characterization of Embodied in this video is seriously unfortunate. Becket: you should get Preston on your channel to offer a response. Furthermore, Rosaria is certainly well-read enough to know that most Reformed interpreters speak of Adam's Fall in terms of "felix culpa," Latin for "O, Happy Fall." Is she willing to dump the language of felix culpa that critics of the Reformed tradition find objectionable?
love that she's never heard of a theology of disabilities.... guess she needs to stick her head outside of her comfort zone and learn more about the world around her.
and then love that she calls "quotation marks" "scare quotes" - sorry lady, can't call someone out saying something's made up and then make your entire argument based on something that's made up.....
@@bokehcreativesfineartstudi4304 she didn't say she'd never heard of them. Sprinkle used their arguments to make a point with a mere vague allusion, not an actual citation of or even reference to anything they said.
@@janedunsworth8728 my bad. sounds like she's very knowledgable about them than, I guess how she expressed it sounded an aweful lot like she didn't think it was real.... but my hearing has been said to be bad.
@@janedunsworth8728 She says she "never heard of a disability theologian" at 5:45.
This honestly is a minor issue though amongst a really uncharitable misrepresentation of Preston. Not to mention the misrepresentation is based on a conflating of transgender and intersex conditions.
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
Rosarie has not misrepresented as i can show you in the book where he stands and show you his stance on transgender.
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We are lost as Christians in many ways - Calvinism notwithstanding - we must test ALL claims that rely on men and their opinions rather than the clear Gospel. Totally agree.
I’ve read and listened to both Mrs. Butterfield and Preston Sprinkle. I love Rosaria’s testimony and I love Preston’s careful scholarship and his heart for people. I was disappointed with Mrs. Butterfield’s critique without clarification and discussion with Preston first!
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
@@sorrowinchrist3387 Preston does not support either but nor does he treat those in the lifestyle with contempt! If you can’t have a conversation with someone you can never influence them!
@@thebestu9415 Yes he does and i can prove it :) But listen to Dr Jame white or even listen to Rosarie?
It's called passion and commitment to the word of God and we need more if it!❤
Would you consider inviting preston sprinkle on your show to talk about these things? From what I've heard from him I don't think he believes a lot of things this video makes him out to believe. I love all of the people on this roundtable discussion as well as preston sprinkle, so it confuses me to see you all disagreeing. It feels like something is missing
She quoted his own words 🙄
@@karenhubbard5037 ..... and misrepresented Preston Sprinkle in the process. I love Rosaria, but this was uncalled for.
@@clarkemorledge2398 Not sure how she misrepresented him, being that she used his own words.
@@karenhubbard5037 When Preston Sprinkle is putting "the fall" in scare quotes, as Rosaria put, it does not mean what she thinks it means. The question Sprinkle is trying to raise is how to make sense of why some are born intersex and most others do not. An analogy might be in terms of blindness. I have a friend who is blind, but she has a sense of hearing that is very, very acute and powerful. She experiences the world in ways that others will never have. That special sense of hearing is a gift. It would be dishonoring to the Lord to call that gift a product of "the fall." But she would not have that gift if she was not blind. Perhaps there are ways that intersex persons have some sort of created gift that others do not have. This does not negate the fact that both blindness and intersex are in some sense products of "the fall." Furthermore, this is NOT a denial of Adam's Fall more generally. I would encourage you to read Sprinkle's book and then make your own judgment for yourself.
@@karenhubbard5037 bahahahaha but she "scare quoted" lol
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Beckett. I thank god for you. You wish to glorify him and give voice to people who are truly Christians. Thank you brother to lead us among the wolves
Amen ❤
Thank you for all of you following Christ and speaking the Truth in love.🙌🙏
Rosaria is so great a blessing! We could listen to her and learn from her so much more than what airtime we find of her. Praise God for you Becket! You surround yourself with many godly people, providing so much knowledge and direction to those of us, that want truth, and the application of it in our lives. Please pass on to Rosaria how very much we appreciate her insight and teaching.
I love her unpacking of Christian books which some have praised. It goes to show how many masses are deceived by the prevailing culture!
Preston addressed this on his podcast, you really should listen to him explain and read his book before jumping to conclusions. He DOES believe in the fall, so she literally spends minutes complaining about a something he believes in. Total strawman argument. 🤦🏻♀️
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
To Rosaria, Becket, and Christopher-- thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! This is pure gold!
But have you read the book?
Preston actually responded to this clip, and to me it addressed a lot of mischaracterizations that were used here: ua-cam.com/video/QW6r7ER31cM/v-deo.html
Yup, I listened to that first then came here, it's so sad people would actually listen to her and 'cancel' Preston or name call without ever actually giving him a chance. He's been a huge part of the reconstruction of my faith.
I agree!
If Rosario had half the patience for Preston’s argument that she had for herself the lesbian professor, she would not be saying the things she says THE WAY she says them here.
This is IMO a disagreement about approach rather than core theology. Predictable but still disappointing.
Beckett, Rosaria, have a discussion with Preston Sprinkle. Be adults.
amen
Spot on !
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
I interpret the quotation marks for emphasis for readers who are non-believers. I believe his primary target audience is not a Christian one, per se. Many Christians benefit from the book particularly in trying to better understand the complexities Preston so deftly writes about. I did not interpret it as anything other than a clarification.
So grateful for all of your ministries. Christopher, Rosaria and Becket.
5:27 My first thought was that this sound a lot like ideas presented in disability theology. Many of them sound a lot like this with this type of reasoning. Nancy Eiesland was probably one that Preston was referring to.
good clip
“Because it’s a gospel that requires no self-denial” BINGO
Thank you again Becket, such important information
Bravo to all of you. This was so necessary!! Keep spreading the Truth!! Thank you!!
So very good. THANK YOU Rosaria.❤
Thank you Becket ❤️Great information.
It’s so encouraging to hear people able to call a spade a spade. I’m in full agreement with her comments. However, there is a mocking tone in the way it’s discussed that I think does all three a disservice. Even as we admonish each other, there’s a way that we do so that leaves a taste of being so assured of our rightness and correctness that is almost smug in its expression. And that makes me sad here despite my agreeing with the crux of their discussion of this book.
I agree with you. I hate the smugness. HOW we talk matters as much as what we say because it's a reflection of our heart towards others, which goes back to loving our neighbor as ourselves... It actually hurts my heart to see how divided the Church is and how we keep drawing these circles, trying to say that everyone who doesn't think like us isn't a child of God, isn't a part of God's family. To me, Jesus was so much more focused on how we live our lives. Let's stop pretending that we're not all influenced by our culture, just like the people of the Bible. It's literally the water that we're swimming in, people. We have so much to learn from each other. The ears need to stop telling the hands that they don't need them and vice versus. If we ain't got charity in our hearts, we ain't got nothing, folks. We have become Pharisees.
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What are scare quotes?
Wow, when did she get so uncharitable? It's hard to imagine she would misread the book like this by accident. Does she really not know the difference between transgender and intersex? Or does she actually believe that intersex conditions are sinful? It's sad to see her misrepresent Preston's work like this
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Yeah , sadly she seems to be obsessively consumed with her own proclaimed sexual reformation and her conviction of the iniquity of those who remain in lifestyles like her own former one .
I think she believes that intersex is a result of the fall, in that it's a deformity, and not a sin. Whereas transgenders may be confused as to who they are as a result of the fall, but mutilating ones body would be sinful.
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
Depends on the lens one uses when reading the book. Perhaps you don't understand what the Fall means or what can be the symptoms of the Fall - or that you are misrepresenting what Rosaria is saying.
I've been wondering lately. To set the context an old friend of mine at Church would always ask two questions upon seeing you... What is the Lord showing you? and What are you reading in your quiet time? I don't think i've dropped the habit of asking but i just wait a little longer into the conversation these days... What is surprising to me, and having just transitioned from one church assembly where the pastor's interpretation is the only one, regardless if it lines up with scripture (and actually not...) , so i moved on... But what is surprising is first how few people study or going deeper from what my unofficial survey might be. If someone is reading something let's say 10-15% of all the people I'll ask, of that small number of people in the Church that are even reading and studying might be again only another 10-15% of them are reading scripture first then another book... Might be a good reason i might paraphrase some verses and hear people tell me "Dan, that isn't biblical..." huh? Or in a bible study one night we were talking about what faith is. Again paraphrased Heb 11:1 and the person responded with "Well that is your opinion... I believe faith is..." Hehe a younger me would have jumped all over him, but trying to mellow out and be a little more gracious, at least he is in the Bible study ☺ And yes after about four month i tried coming alone side and help clarify it for him, not that i'm some grand know it all, i just point people to what God has said and get people in line with scripture.
But now we get to the point why i'm even leaving a response. I'm getting to the point where i wonder if a Christian reads and studies.... Should it be the Bible or other books written by other men... Or another way i've been considering it there seems to be two facets. One facet is... Isn't it "Spiritual Adultery" to first read other books forsaking God and going after man's wizDUMB? As good as another "Christian Author" might be? Still another person/human as well meaning and honest they might be to scripture, how would they line up in a sense of reliability and authority with scripture...? The second facet, i wonder if we consider reading and studying thing might be in a way more like that tithe. Meaning my tithe when i give should be first to and only to my local assembly... Nothing stops me from giving more *AFTER* i have given my tithe... Kind of a loose parallel but sure you can see the point. There is a basic requirement one could assert should be met, reading the scripture first and tithing first, anything beyond that is more on a free will basis.. Not that reading or learning from other is bad, the first should be one's own personal responsibility...
While there is one more tangent, while we are on the subject that seems rather prevalent. I've seen a couple ministries which have "Public Reading of Scripture" and anyone in the Zoom meeting might stand up after reading a passage and give their own interpretation saying "I feel this is telling me xxx!" "Feeling, nothing more than feelings..." Doesn't matter if it lines up with the scripture... "Feeling, trying to forget life... haha..." That is the other thing i find so prevalent in most churches, or with most professing followers of Christ these days. Many will stay a given passage is teaching 'x'... While if one really gets in and studies or understands what the passage which most orthodox (non-liberal) teachers would say it is teaching is completely different from what what the person said it is saying to them... Not to say God's word isn't living and active, just hard hearing one ramble on what a passage generally is addressing another subject is now all about what it "means to them..." Why would i be so critical about this, the issue is more often when i see/hear this happening it doesn't line up with the rest of scripture... That is why for me it seems there is a problem.
In a nutshell what it seems is happening is with the proliferation with so many Christian authors and books, seems many have an attitude it is perfectly fine to chime in what they think a passage means. Seriously who are you to say 'x' is right or wrong, this is true for me because i think.... Hmmm, The heart is deceitfully wicked?
Anyway as with most stuff, glad to see Mr. Becket bringing attention to this... Last observation we might do well to remember.... The single biggest warning in scripture about the last days.... "Do not be deceived..." But so easy when most professing Christians don't even have a clue what the Bible says. Not trying to be harsh, just my unofficial observation. So in the end just seems more like spiritual adultery to go after foreign gods, oops i mean other sources of truth than the Bible...?
I want you to know that I read your entire comment. I’m guilty of saying sometimes that a particular scripture, “says this to me.” So, thank you for reminding me that it’s not what I think about scripture, but what does God have to say about His word. I’m not a scholar, but I so want my pastor or leader to handle scripture well and teach, what does the Word say. I appreciate your thoughts on this.
@@trinidad2450 Absolutely! Would assert your attitude is exactly what God wants and is best 😊. God knows my sins i'll commit tomorrow, already forgiven and paid for on the Cross... Reading Phil 3:12) Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. I would be more one the side that Christ has done it all, kind of like a set of parents in this case our father has born or reborn us spiritually, and we know that He is the one living out through us... Gal 2:20) I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
While we see other scripture that would tells to work.. Like in: Phi 2:12) So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
Hmm so we do work, might assert the biggest job we must do is simply "Die to ourselves..." That old dead nature even Paul we read "The things i want to do i don't and the things i wish not that is what i do... wretched man that i am..." Sure you know the feeling 😥 But that is the beauty of God's Grace, highlighting God's love, compassion, patients, forbearance and all the reast He has towards us. When i sin and feel ashamed to i run and fashion leafs to cover my shame or should we boldly, yet humbly turn back and ask forgiveness. Might assert that while the devil is our enemy we ourselves are the biggest enemy, the devil can at best only tempt us, we have to give in and do it. This is what i think our primary work in "work out your own salvation..." really is, dying to ourselves, not easy at all and as long as we are here. I'm looking forward to when God will give us a new heart, one of flesh, i.e. (hehe too good not to quote😍)
Jer 31:31) “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
32) not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
33) “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34) They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Anyway love your sentiment and your soft/willing heart to say "I need to remember what God has said". I sometimes ask people when does God ever make sense? I would actually say nearly never to us. God ways are not our ways...
Isa 55:8) “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
9) “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Rom 1:17) For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
Then again the big elephant in the room about God never making sense... Why would He ever pick me? I'm a sinner who had no regard for God, even worse to think if/since i have freedom in Christ (Gal 5:1) I still sin willingly, that power of sin is a bit too strong for any of us. I.e. the work to submit and turn to Christ.. But what makes no sense to me is in my case why did God ever choose me, and for that matter when i willingly continue in sin and He doesn't blot me out. Not that i'm actively living in or rebelling in any great sin willingly, even in the O.T. it says a righteous man falls seven times a day... (Prv 24:16). I might be up to a few 100 or more 😯 Heheh might be okay if i don't go over 490 (seven * seventy)?
@@dand4485 When it comes to rebelling against my Lord, I can say, that I am right up there at the front of the line. Even now, I have to continually bring a particular sin before the Lord, and ask for His power, His strength so that I can do and say and think what is pleasing to Him. I struggle because I remember the past hurts. I know that the Lord has chosen to forget my sin when I’ve asked Him to forgive me, yet I struggle to forget. When I am with that particular person, many times the Lord amazes me that I am able to obey Him when I choose to not follow my desires, inclinations. Am I also willing to accept that this person may never be what I so desire? This is what I am going to wrestle with the Lord about. One thing is for certain, I WILL CHOOSE TO OBEY MY LORD!!!
I read both your comments, and as a faithful servant of God, I have this to share with both of you: In all my years of service and beyond I have NEVER met a single person who showed enough Faith in God to take Him up on His infallible Promise concerning His only True & Faithful Tutelage*, there is, so as to actually turn to Him to be taught by Him alone. *A few of the relevant references concerning the same - eg. Jn 6:45, Isa 54:13, Jer 9:12, Prov 1:23, Matt 11:29, Matt 23:10, Matt 13:52, Jn 14:26, Jn 16:13 etc. In fact people (so-called believers and non-believers alike) assume I am lying when I testify that I am taught by God alone, and that I faithfully Teach & Proclaim only that which He has entrusted to me to!!! Indeed! So, suffice for now that you learn first the God-ordained method (therefore absolutely fool-proof) that He has established since of old to help all Truth-seekers to discern between the Infallible & Irrefutable Word of God and the Worthless & Futile words of men - for the Word of God/or the Gospel (short for God-spelt)/or the Absolute, Infallible & Irrefutable Truth is that which God as the Father first Spoke and Revealed; then the Self-same Word God as the Son (the ONLY ONE to do so) truly & fully Fulfilled, Exemplified, Taught & Reinstated and finally which God as the Holy Spirit continues to Teach & Remind as infallibly promised by God. Just as 1 Jn 5:7 testifies & exhorts us, 'These are the ONLY THREE Valid & Perfectly Concurring Witnesses there is.' All else, whether found within the Bible (refer here Jer 8:8, Isa 43:27, Hos 6:7, Ezek 2:3, Ps 78:57, Mal 3:7, Isa 2:22, Jer 17:5-6, Isa 32:5-7, Matt 7:15-16, Matt 15:19, 2 Jn 9-10, 2 Pet 2, Jude 4 etc. etc..) or without, are nothing but Worthless & Futile teachings of men. It is only appropriate here that I also clarify the meanings of the Triune Identity of God which distinguishes Him SOVEREIGN & ABOVE all, most importantly above the ever-vying Satan who lest we forget is also ONE - so much for minitheism! Firstly, understand that Father truly means The Creator & The Provider - this is the reason it is forbidden to call anyone on earth Father (eg. Matt 23:9). Likewise, Son truly means The Heir, and God being ONLY ONE, He is the ONLY HEIR of all that He created and is to create anew - the reason just as it is revealed none can even hope to partake of the 'divine sonship' without Him (Jn 1:13, Rom 8:14-19, Jn 3:6 & 6:63..). Lastly, God is Spirit (Jn 4:24) and God is surpassingly or incomparably Holy (Lev 19:2, Matt 5:48, 1 Pet 1:15) - the reason just as it is revealed, it is the Holy Spirit who knows and gathers those who are His own (Jn 3:6, Isa 32:16b, 2 Tim 2:19). You see, just as it was prophesied since of old, for eg. refer Isa 9:6, the Son given us is the Mighty God who is also called the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace and the Wonderful Counselor - in other words, the Father, Son & The Holy Spirit respectively.
Trust you will arm yourself with all above truth henceforth and be on your guard. Hopefully, more upon hearing from you. Love & prayers.
@@ninaballerina2807 I like Pro 27:2, have to grant you're not humble. Sorry to say but honestly you're comment seems rather off putting, the tone and self exaltation is notable. The lecturing condescending tone, and self-validating with "Super Spiritual blah blah blah... Come across Loud And Clear!" Seems more reminiscent of a Pharisee than anything else.
Thank you, much DISCERNMENT needed in the body of Christ. Too much Biblical illiteracy in America when we have access to so many Bibles.
I love Beckett's podcast speaking the truth and sharing his testimony along with many others....and sharing whats a lie is so important these days!! Mr. Sprinkles is possibly not who he claims to be/ a non-christian more like it, It needs to be taken out of Church libraries and any Bible study materials,
Oh man… it’s fine to disagree with someone. But suggesting he’s possibly a non-Christian? Have you ever listened to him or read his material? If not, then this statement is out of line. If you have, then you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting him.
Wild. What a strange take from Rosaria.
Love, love, love your show!! So thankful that you are not afraid to speak truth!!!!
I actually read that book, mainly trying to gain better understanding of how to properly biblically handle my daughter living in a same sex relationship and I have read all rosarias books, christopher’s book, and beckets book and finishing Rosarios last book now-I was glad to hear at the end that Sprinkle called homosexuality a sin from what I can remember all the way at the end of the book, I was really stunned at some of the info in the book, but the thing that made me sort of wish I hadn’t read it was a short time later someone sent me an video of Sprinkle and maybe Chan saying that annihilation was proven biblically-which I think Rosaria mentioned in her last book. I thank God for Rosaria, Yuan and then Becket and most of all the Holy Spirit for all the help and testimonies-I expect my daughter and even her “friend” also from a Christian family will have their eyes opened and surrendered and living for God as all yall are. Praise the Lord
Take away The Fall. Take away the need for The Savior.
ABSOLUTELY!!
Who took away the Fall?
@@orchidfield6did you listen to the video? Do you understand the implications of the context of "putting in air quotes 'the fall'"?
I love the show and the content that is discussed. However so far the conversation is very one sided.I would love to see Preston on the show with all of you so that he can address the ongoing concerns that you all seem to have with him. I've read 'People to be loved' and loved it and watched quite a bit of his show, he seems to be one of a few people that are addressing the gap between the church and LGBT people in meaningful ways.
Dr James white also object to Preston as preston stand with homosexual lifestyle as a Christian if you read his book carefuly. He also stand with those who are biologicaly male trying to mask and be a women. How can you stand by and not be alarmed!
@sorrowinchrist3387 have you gone down and replied to everyone's comment with the same thing? Why are you quoting James White?
@@rashidah9307 Have you lost it and become affirming to Preston gay agenda? Answer now? Dr James white reject Preston gay agenda and SO SHOULD YOU! Or quit Christianity! If you want to affirm stop hiding as a Christian! And come out as LGBTQ!
@@sorrowinchrist3387 - Sprinkel does not stand with homsexual lifestyle. Read more carefully and quote more precisely and do not relay on hearsay, else you violate the 9th commandment.
Boy she loves to throw around the phrase "heretics;" she's very generous with her usage of that
I literally heard her say in another interview that she loves the word "heresy" and "abomination" and hates the word "nuance"
I love to hear her talk/teach, but I do wish she allowed more time for Becket & his other guest to interject their thoughts.
This is sad. From what I know about Butterfield and Sprinkle, they are in basic agreement on the historic, orthodox, biblical sexual ethic, i.e., that sexual activity is appropriate only in a one-woman-one-man covenant marriage. Her characterization of Sprinkle's views appears uncharitable, inaccurate (as far as I can tell from reading him) - and then she refuses to engage in conversation with him! She seems determined to put the worst possible spin on what he says. Disappointing - hadn't seen this side of her before, but it makes me wary. Yuan piling on also lowered him in my esteem.
I'll say again, what makes you think that Preston didn't turn down an invite from them? He's got a lot to hide from Christians who oppose him.
@@peoplelover2024Preston reached out to Rosaria. I had hoped to see a dialogue. Her husband responded and said she can’t talk to Preston. When Preston asked if he could share their email exchange, Rosaria’s husband said no, and instead gave a short statement. Preston doesn’t seem to be the one hiding things. It’s fine to disagree, but it’s discouraging to see her continue to publicly misrepresent him.
This feels like a bad faith critique. There are a lot pf conclusions that are jumped to here.
Exactly the words I was thinking. A completely bad faith critique. Spreading disunity in the body of Christ.
I think it is clear that Becket is not interested in balance. Look at all the posts he likes. Maybe he gets a kick out of being uncharitable to other brothers in Christ. Has he mentioned Preston being invited on? Also Preston has responded and made this interaction look really bad 🙏🏽
Chosen But Free is a dangerous book
Only if you’re a Calvinist.
It's in Black, Red and on White paper, are we reading the same word of GOD and how are they not seeing what's written?
Man. I’m so disappointed by this interview. This seems like SUCH a silly thing to ‘debate’. I’ve read both Rosaria and Sprinkle and I think they should be coming together. This is disunity at its finest. This is exactly what the enemy wants us to be focused on. I believe Preston believes in inerrancy of scripture and I think Rosaria is missing it altogether.
Preston attends my old church, Calvary Chapel Boise. He is allowed to have his conferences there-3 so far in last 3 years.
Becket Cook, I believe you, along with your two friends, have better ways of helping others give their lives to Christ. Thankfully, the three of you are blessed not to suffer with aphasia. You can speak fluently, and in my beliefs, are you born again? yes
I love the 3 of you speaking truth about all of this when so many (so called Christians, churches, etc) are so ready to accept to all of lies … we do need you and all others who are doing this … finding you Becket has been a miracle for me 😊
Somehow I knew Sprinkle would be involved in this video.
Thank you, Rosaria! We need more “cranky grandmas” like you!
This is an uncharitable and incorrect review/accusation of a brother in Christ. There is a charitable, gracious way to disagree with a brother and point out what you believe to be a signifant error in theology; sadly, they completely missed the mark. For those joining Rosaria and Christopher in mocking the idea of disability theologians, you might look up theology of disability. Arrogance and ignorance are an unpleasant combination, especially in a follower of Christ.
What is the name of the book, pls? Who wrote it? Preston who?
Embodied by Preston Sprinkle.
The word’s called discernment, and Rosario has it.
I'm glad to find this site and read the comments questioning Rosaria's actions against Preston. For a long time (maybe 10 years) I've had a still quite voice warning me about her stridency. I recall reading how she was speaking out about only using the Psalter for church music. She came from a very self-righteous position on this issue. I thought, "wait a minute, here.....how does only using the Psalter sit with Paul's teaching to use psalms, hymns and spiritual songs" in worship (Ephesians 5:19)? Well, I couldn't be bothered to actually speak up about this, but since then I've been careful to read her "pronouncements" with an eye to "Is this biblical?" She definitely violated scripture by not addressing this privately with Preston, and hiding behind her husband and pastor is just plain goofy. I would add "ditto" to her jumping on CRU at a public event.....that isn't the way believers are to address grievances. In conclusion, I encourage Rosaria fans to be careful before jumping on her bandwagon.
I agree with you. We really shouldn't be on anyone's bandwagon. We've all got blind spots and biases, and we all have a lot to learn... from each other. And perhaps especially from our brothers and sisters in Christ that we disagree with. Pride is so sneaky in the way that it gives us a sense of entitlement to judge, be uncharitable, and avoid hard things like having hard conversations with people we disagree with...
Hot air
Yes, sadly she’s doing very similar things against Cru. Rosaria has an amazing testimony! It’s so sad to see how she’s publicly misrepresenting other believers.
I don’t get it. I looked up gospel coalition Canada and three of the first four books they recommend to read to understand ‘pride month’ are rosary’s and Christopher’s. (Sorry Becket).
I’m so confused by the way in which the term evangelical is used and characterized. So many now say that they are evangelical and are indeed aiming to be more conservative and biblically literal.
For example, this is online when googled, “Mainline Protestant churches predominantly have a liberal theology while evangelical churches predominantly have a fundamentalist or moderate conservative theology.
I attend ECO Presbyterian which is now one of the most conservative and expository sects of Presbyterian. The term evangelical in their context is missional. So confused ….
I think me and Becket are cut from the same cloth… we’re trying not to chuckle at the same places in this clip! 😊
When someone claims not being able to understand a phrase (disability theologian) because an author doesn’t cite their source (which took 5 seconds to google) makes them “Some old grandma like me” I have a hard time believing them. It makes it even harder when they are doing an online video interview; they clearly have the technology skills to search out a phrase on the internet.
Not only that, she basically accuses Preston of making up the term, like it doesn't even exist outside of the pages of his book which it definitely does. And the fact that she's never head of disability theology before really calls into question her credibility speaking on these issues and the fact that she refuses to even engage with ideas that differ from her own.
I am extremely grateful for Rosaria's ministry and her profound witness to the Holy Spirit's power to change a human heart. However, in this particular case, Rosaria is unambiguously wrong. I can't imagine a more clear example of poor reading, especially from a professor of literature. Reading Embodied "very carefully" as Rosaria says she has done refutes her critique, and refutes Christopher's comparison of Preston's writing to that of atheists and Rob Bell. Disagree and debate these matters all day long - I'm for it. But publicly labeling someone as a false teacher, a new age advocate, or comparing a fellow Christian to an atheist, without being willing to engage that person publicly about their views, is cowardly.
The fact that Butterfield will only discuss her diatribe against Preston Sprinkle in an echo chamber is highly concerning.
A person puts something in square-quotes if they don't believe its true?! - Sorry, but as a PhD and former university scholar Rosaria should know better.
Agree. Perhaps Preston knows some of his audience won’t be familiar with the term “the fall”. That would be another reason to use scare quotes even if you believe in it (like I just did).
In response to an earlier comment, I think it’s loving to speak the truth and warn others. I wonder if the apostle Paul was referred to as a shrill-moralist and know-it-all for saying, for example, “O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you… are you so foolish…?” (Gal. 3:1-3)
Rosaria, thank you for taking a stand for truth. You take to heart the exhortation in God’s word, “Study to show yourself approved unto God… rightly handling the word of truth.” 2Tim 2:15. Beckett, thank you for hosting!
LET'S BLUR THE LINES!
IT IS WRITTEN!:
IN THE LAST DAYS
DARKNESS WILL COVER THE EARTH AND GROSS DARKNESS THE PEOPLE!
SHALOM
The best way to understand why Preston Sprinkle put “the fall” in quotes would be to engage with the author. It’s unfortunate that this kind of evangelical malpractice and fear mongering happens. Want answers and to model Jesus like behavior? Talk with Preston.
This lady is good
Wow, I honestly have heard great things about Rosaria, but she was not very charitable here! Preston on the other hand was respectful and spoke well of Rosaria, though he clearly differs. I think he had the better approach to disagreement...
Becket it’s so great you keep featuring rosaria and Christopher. They’re rock solid Christian’s and Rosaria’s communication is so incisive and thoroughly reformed. And I bought Christopher’s book.
1:50
So blindness and deafness are sins.
John 9 answers this well
Amen Rosaria!
this clip is so disappointing. i saw C. Yuan at a Rethink conference, I've listened to R.Butterfield on Socrates in the City and I have attended Preston's conference and have read the book. What I find so insulting is the condescending laughter and comments that emerge in the 7 min I watched this. Christians being so accusatory with other Christians.. here we go again. Butterfield was UNWILLING to allow Sprinkle to respond yet she makes these claims? That is hugely irresponsible and heretical in my opinion..Even if you posture yourself as having the right perspective of this, what about Matthew 18:15? "If your brother sins, go and point out their fault.."? It DOES NOT SAY throw daggers at them in a condescending way. You are required as a believer to address the issue. It's irresponsible Christianity, harmful and terrible journalism. They are VERY clear about their theological principles, post-modern, really? Check with them and you'll see their perspectives are valid and theologically aligned with the Bible, are yours?
I just love all 3 of you for your love and devotion to Jesus and promoting the truth of the beautiful gospel. Thank you for pointing out the subtle but very suggestive language of a "bible scholar" (yes, those are scare quotes lol) who craftily spins the truth for a lie. This especially grieves me because more and more children are profoundly confused and their identity is based on these false teachings. Too many parents are concluding that in order to love their child, it means to walk their teenager/young adult for "medical treatments/procedures" (oops, scare quotes again ) that are so harmful, that they remind me of a horror story out of a nazi concentration camp. I call all this subtle teaching nothing less than child abuse and its ripple effects are doing so much damage to our children's minds and souls. A person's value and worth is so much more than this and it's amazing that God thought so too and came to redeem us all. Love and hugs to you three 🙂
Talk about being selective. He very obviously believes in the fall. And intersex is... biological. So... maybe we should be careful talking about birth defects as a sinful desire?
It's not a brag if you've never heard of a disability theologian.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for warning ⚠️ us about books like this. It's so hard to know what books (and there are so many) are ok. My family is just starting to read and study the Bible (which I know there are many translations) and my granddaughter (14 almost 15 yrs old) will pick a list of "recommended" books she got from I'm not sure where 📚 and then I'm trying to figure out if those are going to be biblically sound or not. It's hard. One of the books she wanted had something like "finding your true self and living the life you are meant to live on the front" and I had this feeling I just wonder what that might be about. She reads very little, so when she does read I want it to be the right books if it's supposed to be Christian nonfiction and about faith. I am learning so much and realizing how much confusion there is about the Bible and Christianity. 😞😔 My daughter is new to the Bible and is always being questioned about her faith & the Bible and it seems like people are always trying to disprove the Bible and we are always trying to explain it, defend it. When my daughter asked "who is Isaiah?" I knew we had a long way to go!!
John Cooper from the Christian band Skillet has a book called Awake & Alive to Truth (I’m pretty sure that’s the name), it would be a good book to read. Maybe both of you could read it and talk about it together.
I hope you find a second opinion about Preston Sprinkle before writing him off, because he is very orthodox and not at all heretical -- he is also about 1000x more knowledgable than all 3 of these people as relates to LGBT things. Rosaria completely misrepresented him here and it was quite unfair and unfortunate.
Rosaria comes off very ivory towerish. So does Yuan 🙏🏽
It is imperative to address every false claim, and because his book is public his claims must be addressed publically. After this video though, wouldn't the Biblical response be to reach out to Preston yourselves and have a dialogue with him? You could be like Priscilla correcting Apollos' theology in Acts 18. He is open to dialogue, and it would be beneficial to talk to him. Wouldn't it be amazing to walk away from a conversation with him knowing that he listened to you bring every word of his and your own back to scripture? How beneficial would it be to watch him possibly repent of his thinking or be able to expand on his thoughts with you and then be provided proper correction when necessary? Have you guys tried to reach out to him at all?
What makes you think they haven't reached out and Preston has declined?
@@peoplelover2024 They never said that they did at all. Rosaria has talked about Preston more than once and has never said that she has tried to speak with him at all. If they did, they would have said that they tried and he refused to listen. I will say that there is the possibility that they did but based off of how Preston has been brought up more than once and no talk about any effort for personal correction has been made, I doubt that they have.
@@peoplelover2024 If they did, great! If they haven't, I would argue that that is unbiblical. Scripture is profitable for correction (2 Timothy 3:16). We are called to expose darkness (Ephesians 5:11) but we are called to loving correct one another (2 Thessalonians 3:13-15, Galatians 6:1, Acts 18, Matthew 18)
Preston has tried to reach out to Rosaria so he can clarify his viewpoints with her. In reply, her husband and his fellow pastor wrote back and told him she would not speak with him because he is a heretic and has distorted the gospel. So basically she’s shut the door completely but continues to speak about him publicly without seeking understanding. I like a lot of Rosaria’s stuff, but that is extremely disappointing to me.
@@nathanmcindoo6013 I had no idea, that is so unbiblical and heartbreaking that she would refuse to reason with a brother but is so willing to speak awfully about someone she is refusing to talk to. Wow
I just discovered her, but I love Rosaria! She just tells it like it is!
What are the dangerous books? This is confusing.
Embodied by Preston Sprinkle. He believes in a traditional sexual ethic but also humanizing of the LGBTQ community and helping to disciple them with compassion and love. Rosaria refused his requests to meet privately or publicly to clarify anything she would like to know. You can find his responses to her on his website.
Read the Aquarian Conspiracy by Marilyn Ferguson. That explains it.
Wow Rosario your amazing! Thank you for showing us this false teacher
Ms.Rosaria is leaving NO CRUMBS. ❤
I think this type of conversation is dangerous, irresponsible and unbiblical. The bible is very clear about how to handle conflict/disagreements ( Matthew 18:15-20). Start with the source. Why isn't Preston Sprinkle on the show also? I am not saying your content is wrong, instead, how you approach this conversation isn't biblical. It just becomes the worldly way of creating disharmony, conflict and another way to gossip. In the name of what or Who? I love Rosario's conversion's testimony , however, all glory goes to the LORD, which is biblical also. I know she underwent major criticism before and after conversion. I was surprised to hear her misquote the book, speak with a dramatic tone and refusal to talk with Mr. Sprinkle himself.
Yeh, “Keep it simple, Stupid”. 😣
I'd never heard of scare quotes in Australia. I wouldn't have seen it as such a bad thing without you explanation. The rest of what you quoted would have put up red flags though.
cause.... there's no such thing as "scare quotes" - they are called "quotation marks" - she's trying to use fear mongering for quotation marks.... sad
Neither had I, because that is only one use for quotation marks. She needs to talk to Preston Sprinkle but refused to do so.
She's wrong about what he believes.
It is so strange because God said everything He created wass good. Yet common sense shows that 2 men or 2 women do not fit, it's simply unnatural, like Rom 1 says, and this is not to indult those eho have this predilection.
With all due respect, this has been the issue since the church split 500 years ago. This is not new!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my mind, this is the worst kind of review. Not just because it's casting barbs at the voiceless, but also because of the severely uncharitable lines taken. But most of all, because I think this kind of discussion is unbiblical and the exact thing we see in the world (worldly). While it is not possible to be "united" to every supposed believer, to treat someone like this who was given a good review by TGC, and is widely considered to be orthodox, seems to strike at the very heart of "preserving unity", "having no divisions among you", and "they will know you are Christians by your love [for one another]" (1 Cor. 1:10, 1 Pet 3:8, Eph. 4:1-6, Phil. 2:2, 2 Cor. 13:11, Colossians 3:14, John 13:35). By all means, call out clear heresy, and seek to restore a brother who is committing it, but also be very careful in making that public accusation unless you know you're accurately representing him and his position. "The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him." (Prov. 18:17 NASB)
One point of irony: assuming I heard her correctly, Rosaria seems to be looking down on parachurch resources. What are her books and this very podcast?
Dangerous lies!
I'd like to read a medically sound, orthodox christian book on transgenderism. However, it doesn't sound like 'Embodied' is that. Does Sprinkle's book lead a person to the conclusion that surgically/medically changing genders is a good and beautiful notion in general? Because I know only seriously disastrous cases of people who have done this (MANY of them, over 50 years, the newest ones quite recent). I do sympathize with the sexually confused and/or dysphoric, but I do not at all see encouraging them to attempt to convert their gender surgically/hormonally etc. as a good end. And those who encourage this effort in others are either too naive or deliberately deceptive.
[To be fair, for those who were born intersex or sexually ambiguous, this is a completely different, and 100% medically legitimate issue.]
‘How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the Lord,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the Lord,
what kind of wisdom do they have?
From the least to the greatest,
all are greedy for gain;
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit….
¹¹ They dress the wound of my people
as though it were not serious.
“Peace, peace,” they say,
when there is no peace.
¹² Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
Jeremiah 8:8-9, 11-12
Sometimes I think Jeremiah was preaching directly to us in June 2023…
My daughter and son in law are caught up in Sprinkle’s “theology in the raw”. I am heart sick.
No reason to be. Preston‘s show is extremely thoughtful and enriching, engaging honestly with Scripture with a desire to honor Christ.
your daughter and son-in-law sound like people seeking after God and not stuck on the theology of fear mongering
@@stina13187 this
Disability theologian 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Disability theologians are theologians who specifically study disabilities in light of God's word. It's quite important and beautiful and has been huge especially among the deaf community.
One of the things they consider is whether or not it is appropriate to say that disabilities are a result of the fall or did God beautifully, purposefully, and wonderfully knit together disabled people? Do we count the disabled as less than? Or do we realize their profound worth and value? They are a gift to the church, an essential part of the body. So, Preston was asking is it appropriate to call intersex people (those born with chromosomal abnormalities that result in atypical features and genitals) results of the fall? Or did God knit them together beautifully and they are a gift. That is a major question that disability theologians try to tackle. It's not laughable. These are actual beautiful images bearers we are talking about.
@@kaciclark85 Thank you for explaining, although I wasn't at all laughing at disabled people. Rosaria Butterfield herself had never heard of the term, nor had Beckett or the other guest. It's not a widely known term or role and as such can understandably sound humorous to some.
With regards to disability, as someone who provides care to two close disabled loved ones, it is apparent to me that Jesus's response to disabled people during His time on earth was to heal them. If they were meant to be disabled, He would not have done so. It is therefore not an insult to disabled to believe - especially since Adam and Eve were made in perfect physical wholeness without disability - that disability is a product of the fall.
At the same time, not every disabled or ill person will experience healing in this lifetime. On multiple occasions in Scripture, God's people are commanded to care, advocate for and to protect those who are disabled or who may be otherwise vulnerable. And God clearly values the life of disabled people, explicitly stating that He made them and placed them on earth among us. Moses had a speech impediment, Apostle Paul had a 'thorn in the flesh' yet God used both mightily. Disabled people are valued and cherished by God.
We are ALL a product of the fall, bearing imperfections in our mind and flesh that God did not originally intend us to bear. I don't believe disabled people are any different. But Jesus died to pay the penalty of mankind's sin, and we are now commanded to love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and to love our neighbours - including and especially those who are disabled - as we love ourselves. God bless you 🙏
@@petalblossom96 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to indicate I thought you were laughing at disabled people. I believed you were laughing at disability theologians. I would encourage you that a Christian posture of humility would take the time to look up terms you are unfamiliar with, to first seek clarification and understanding, before jumping to laughing at people. You mentioned loving your neighbor. Would you want people to misunderstand what you have said and instead of patiently and humbling asking you for clarification would you want them to just laugh at you and post UA-cam videos about you being a heretic?
The concept of disability theologians in decades old. I first heard of them while attending John Piper's church (reformed and conservative). When I come across a field of study or terminology I am ignorant of, I don't just laugh at other's. I seek to understand so I can make a well-educated and thoroughly Biblical critique. It was inappropriate of Rosaria to grossly misrepresent a book and to do so without even seeking to understand the terminology in the book. She could have done a quick Google search. The chapter she is quoting from is regarding intersex individuals. He isn't talking about transgenderism. They aren't the same thing. Preston spends incredible amounts of time distinguishing the two for the reader. She either didn't read the book or is immensely illiterate when it comes to the sciences. In response to individuals with congenital adrenal hyperplasia, she literally says, "Maybe the fall caused us to want things God hates". Having a genetic abnormality is not "desiring things God hates".
I'd really really encourage you to read the book. You don't have to and probably won't agree with everything in it. It follows a traditional Christian sexual ethic. He concludes that you should indeed be the gender God made you, submit to the Lord, not transition, repent, believe, and grow in sanctification. He also addresses how we help disciple brothers and sisters who are struggling with gender dysphoria. How do we handle youth group, bible studies, overnight youth retreats with individuals who are struggling or with the outside world who we are inviting in to these places to help them learn about Christ!
@@kaciclark85 You've made this way deeper than it is, lol. I don't accept that a 'Christian posture of humility requires me to do preemptive research before laughing at things I see on the internet, lol. That's a truly impractical suggestion. And secondly, I wasn't 'laughing at people'. I was, in fact, laughing at a terminology that sounded funny to me and frankly still does. I don't have to defend that.
You appear to be quite emotionally invested in this subject matter and thus quite hypersensitive about it. If that's true, I suppose it's something you cannot really help and I regret that this situation may have made you uncomfortable. But perhaps you shouldn't personalise the behaviours of strangers on the internet so much. Me laughing at a terminology should not be offensive to you. My laughter was not directed at you and it could be argued that your decision to lecture me on my sense of humour is rather presumptuous and patronising. I laughed. It really is not the end of the world.
@@petalblossom96 I believe the point of commenting on UA-cam videos is either to garner likes/dislikes, affirm the content, disagree with the content, or initiate conversation? Out of all of the comments, yours made me the most genuinely curious. Why would someone find the concept of theologians who study disabilities to be eye crying funny?
I'm sorry. I had no intention of being patronizing. I wasn't trying to lecture you on your humor. I was assuming that your laughter meant ignorance of the terminology. Which you confirmed. I figured I would let you know that it is a real and beautiful field of study in Christianity. Honoring God's image bearers and helping us all to be more kind, sensitive, and utterly amazed.
As with all aspects of our lives, don't you think even our humor should be submitted to the Lord? If what I find funny hurts others or leads them to believe that I am mocking people, it's worth examining my humor. If I was having a conversation at a coffee shop with someone and I mentioned disability theologians and you began laughing at what a hilarious term that was...can you see how I might be genuinely curious why you are laughing? Can you see how I politely assumed ignorance of terminology rather than malicious intent?
Your response makes it sound like you were laughing at a cat video. This video is literally calling a brother in Christ a heretic. In the video Rosaria says, "Never heard of a disability theologian *everybody starts shaking head and laughing* not on planet earth. No footnote for some old cranky grandmother like me to understand". I'm saying, this is not the posture of Christian humility. If you are Christian authors with a massive following and you are going to critique a book to the point of calling someone a heretic...spend the literal 30 seconds it takes to simply Google disability theology. That's not impractical. That's love and discernment. That's refusing to be intellectually lazy. That's taming your tongue and avoiding slander and reviling. You joined in on their laughter.
Also, when someone says, "hey, that sounded insensitive and hurtful" the correct response is "I'm sorry". It is technically a form of gaslighting to say that anyone who disagrees with you or finds fault with your behavior is automatically hypersensitive, patronizing, and they shouldn't be offended. If someone says your humor is hurtful and you say, "I laughed. It really is not the end of the world"...that's immature at best. I hope you never accept that kind of dismissive treatment from another human. I'm so genuinely sorry if people have been that cruel to you. Seriously, if you told your husband, "Hey that joke was really insensitive" and he says back, "you're just hypersensitive! I laughed. It's not the end of the world"...that is emotional abuse.
It’s insane to me at just how badly Preston’s view is misrepresented in this video. I’m not surprised though. I’m kinda sick of people who claim to follow Jesus but actually dont. I’m sick of seeing the name of Jesus profaned by this nonsense.