Were Adam and Eve babies? How would they know how to get babies out?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- Kaitlyn is joined by biblical scholar Dru Johnson this week to answer some very practical questions about Adam and Eve: were they created as babies or adults? How did they know about babies? How would Eve have even known she was pregnant? Along the way, we’ll discuss how to read confusing biblical texts, how to ask good questions of the Bible, and why Genesis is so concerned with procreation.
I'm loving Curiously Kaitlyn. Thank you for making these available via UA-cam.
Yes. I do most of my podcasts through UA-cam.
This is great. Thanks for the thoughtful consideration
Really well done!!
"the church has consistently taught that all humans are fallen from birth"
That ignores the beliefs of eastern church, messianic jewish christians, various strands of old methodism quakerism and anabaptism, and arguably the early church.
Also, if we're going by Augustine, this is the guy who's doctrine of original sin included the beliefs that sin comes from our testicles and that unbaptised babies go to hell.
Male/female doesn't have anything to do with defining being made in the image of God. The animals were made male and female but not in the image of God.
If you take Genesis 1 as the literal story of creation, then Adam and Eve were created as adults. If you read it as the story of God's sovereignty over creation then where Adam came from is beside the point. The point is that God elevated Adam as the caretaker of His garden.
Saying Adam was molded from dust is meaningless in that story, since we're all dust. We're born of dust and return to dust. The important thing would be that Adam and Eve were elevated above the animals as God's representatives on Earth.
Just want to point out that intersex people exist and are still ultimately created and still have inherent humanity despite not being within the sex binary..we may need to find some better language that affirms rare exceptions…it doesn’t at minimum seem affirming to those who are born intersex to say “being male or female is inherent to being a human”
This is only an issue if you hold the inaccurate view that 'intersex' people fall outside of the sex binary.
The term 'intersex' is an unfortunate misnomer as it makes it seem as if these individuals are somehow between the sexes.
Humans only ever have the potential to produce one of two gametes, ova or sperm. Males produce sperm and females produce ova. Some humans experience genetic and/or developmental abnormalities in utero such that their progress along these two developmental pathways is disrupted (sometimes leading to infertility or an ambiguous appearance but not always).
But remember a person's sex isn't classified by the appearance of their genitials, it's determined by the gametes their body has developed to produce (if unsuccessfully).
That's why 'disorders of sexual differentiation' has become one of the more preferred terms as these disorders clearly manifest along the established sex binary.
So there are two kinds of people: Men (with and without DSDs) and Women (with and without DSDs). So actually yes, "being male or female is inherent to being human."
I've ALWAYS wondered, if God made Adam & Eve of a certain age then why can't he make an Earth of a certain age?
Why would he be deceptive like that?
@aosidh so is it deceptive he made Adam and eve fully grown?
@@chrislucastheprotestantview we don't have their remains to examine. But we do have an earth that appears to all honest observers to be billions of years old. That would be a strange trick for god to play - like the children's story about the devil burying dinosaur bones to fool scientists
If this were the case since we see stars that are billions of light-years away, God would have had to create streams of light that look like stars that never existed. Fossils of animals thar never existed, etc. The argument is that this would be deceptive in a way that the first two people being created ex nihilo would not, since they are the only people and are not confused by their own creation.
This is setting aside that much more plausibly, it's a creation myth about the relationship between knowledge and human suffering that never literally happened.
Some people would rather pretend God is playing tricks with fossils than admit they are confused about how the world works. The Bible goes back to the start of agriculture which even accord to the worldly view, was about 11,000 years ago. Native Americans often lived in caves just thousands of years ago. Most people have a very Eurocentric view of how humans "evolved." Turns out, your house and your means of gathering food has nothing to do with evolution.
This one was a tough one ❤ the book of Genesis is amazing!
They were made adults.
When Eve was made Adam immediately liked her, so that means she was of age
Because men don't look at babies that way.
They do in Hollywood.
@@AntiMarxism21stCenturythat's more of a GQP problem than it is a Hollywood problem.
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury
The operative word is - "MEN" Commenter "@move_i_got_this5659" said "MEN don't look at babies that way". sick, evil, deplorable 4-letter-words look at babies that way, MEN do not. There's a diff.
(Well...unless he/she was being super sarcastic).
@@averageuser4367 The stupidity in your statement is ubiquitous in Woke lunacy.
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury The stupidity in your statement is ubiquitous in violent political extremist lunacy. But keep posting. These psychotic posts of yours will surely one day be very helpful to law enforcement officers trying to understand your actions.
- cre a t ures, and their images, were in the heavens as well and as that of cats and dogs (for example)
If Adam came first, my big question is why did God put nipples on him? Inerrant Word of God,
How do you know that God did that?
After all, Noone in living memory ever saw Adam.
- man was created and made in the image of the sons of God (×3) ,and woman was created and made in the image of the morning stars (×3) ,and as to marry ,within the adapted earth, as beginning of (the) Genesis chapter 1 verse 2
The best explanation of the Garden Narrative/myth is that it is an allegory for the Babylonian Exile.
- man ; him man ; t he man :three were made ;not just one
Hi, I'm sort of a fan of the holy post cuz you guys seem like not Marjorie Taylor Green type Christians, I myself am an atheist. I don't understand, how to college educated, really smart articulate people can discuss the details and specifics of at best an allegory. I have several rabbinical friends, who will tell you that the story in Genesis is an allegory. It's okay that you believe in a deity that wants you to have presents on Christmas and all that stuff, and he cares about you I get the need for that, but to argue, or discuss the specific points of a fairy tale is too much for me. I can't watch this show. Please discuss topics that are relevant for today. Things that are happening now in our society and our culture. So many are at each other's throats. Christ called himself the Prince of Peace, I'm sorry but this is dribble.
Fables are lessons told in symbols. It's to communicate meaning values that underpin world view. I don't believe it's meant to be a scientific text. It's religious text.
Scholars create as much heresy as they do anything else. Just a reminder. Please don't curse me for daring to raise my head and make a comment to self-ascribed betters.
Precisely what is it that you create?
@@3eyedcyclops Opposition to bad things and bad people.
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury The worst people are those who are most self-certain that they are "good". How certain are you that you're good, and not bad?
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury So what you're telling me is that you stand AGAINST people and things that you feel are bad. But do you actually stand FOR anything?
@@3eyedcyclops You just described "Left Wing" rioters and Democrats perfectly. Those of us that believe in laws, law and order and obeying the law do so because everyone needs boundaries. Precisely because we do not think we self-certain we are good.
How disappointing. There is hardly a new or a frank bit of information in this whole video.
When will Bible scholars be honest about how taking the Bible as history ruins it and decry this? No discussion about Genesis 1-2 should dodge this fact.
Oh well. I still enjoy so many of your videos, I will keep listening. Most of your videos get good comments from me.
Love Onward!
The point of these is not to say something new, but to package it for a specific audience.
Adam and Eve were created as adults in the fictional creation story.
Perfect reply. Shows the fruit of the Holy Post.
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury I'm not sure if that's a dig at the Holy Post, because I actually like these folks. It's just that for a question like this, the first response to the kid should be, it's just a story the same way that the Hobbit or Harry Potter are stories. The characters aren't real people from history. It's a good opportunity to explain the difference between fact (i.e., human evolution via natural selection) and fiction (i.e., the creation mythology).
@@RLBays It's a direct insult to the activism being peddled by Vischer and his co-mocking henchpersons. If you, or they, do not want to be Christians, admit what you are and go away. You have the right to believe that nothing made everything happen and mock Christians like goons in a HS hallway. As stupid as that is, you have every right to believe it. Now, Vischer, his clique and you, can believe that Jesus was an idiot or a myth. Who cares. But you can't believe that and pretend to be a Christian though. Christians get to care about that. For a moment. Then it's time to wash the pearls and move on.
@@AntiMarxism21stCentury So you're attempting to insult the people you feel insulted by? Not, you know, turning the other cheek? Like Jesus directed his followers to do? Non-Christians don't tend to think that Jesus was an idiot. But I'm sure a lot of people - Christian and Non-Christian alike - will think you are.
@@3eyedcyclops Oh does little boy get his feelings hurt when Christian guy holds up a mirror little boy has to look into? This is a comments section little-bully. No cheeks need apply. You get the poo tossed back to you that you hurl at Christian guy. Just some soap and water and you are quickly forgotten.