I'd say restore the drive on that Hudson and keep it in that shell. Maybe add back the parts that it's missing. It's a neat piece of history regardless.
You may not have ever seen alot of Lionel American Flyer made since 1979 but so much of it is like the 1950s Gilbert tradition. The 6-48745 Smoking caboose with a red & black paint scheme is beautiful and it smokes good too and lighted also. The U.P. Bay window Caboose, 6-48727, another one with stamped metal frame and interior lighting. Red marker lights at both ends you have to see to appreciate the beauty and detail. Metal chassis are just like Gilbert. Both çars are from 2009 and 2013, not easy to find now. You would love to have both caboose's, I am sure of that!
Make it a Hudson. Carve up a Casey Jones or even a beat up Franklin if you want a Ten Wheeler. The Petticoat Junction "Hooterville Cannonball" is a Ten Wheeler, they are old style engines.
Not sure if you noticed your 21168, being an early version, has a knuckle coupler. Most that I have seen have a Pikemaster coupler. I tend to shy away from stuff with Pikemaster couplers. A few years ago at an auction I bought a Prairie Marksman set just because the 21168 had a knuckle coupler.
You were busy. 😉 I will be at the Greenberg show on the 23rd in Wilminton, MA with my two grand daughters who love my Flyer trains. Oh sure blame me for your caboose acquisitions. Those AM wood side cabooses are exquisite. I will check my references (Doyle, Deger, Factory Repair Manuals) to be sure, but the 293 only had a plastic tender labeled New York New Haven Hartford, a diecast trailing truck (I think it is referred to as a "D" truck) under the cab, reverse unit in the tender and was direct 5 wire only. Hope this helps.
The 293 has an incorrect tender, you need a plastic USRA NH tender. The 21085 can be repaired, using a replacement wheel/wheel puller. Nice 300 Atlantic! Very early ones had the reversing unit (E unit) in the boiler. The 21068 CJ is a gem, and we’ll worth the gluing effort. Please make a repair video on Gilbert’s 2 Step Reversing Unit (E Unit), as many of us know nothing about how it works, and how to maintain and repair them. Soldier on, Austin! 🚂😊
I have been to trains shows in Franklin and Indianapolis, and other central Indiana locations. The nearest significant trains show to me happens only in January and is about 3-1/2 to fours hours away, each way. I did go to a small train show here last last year will little to no expectation of seeing any American Flyer there. it was much smaller than I expected, and only one or two people I spoke with had ever heard of American Flyer or S gauge. I did find a Union Station, minus the steps, but otherwise like new, and a crossing signal. Both are now on my layout. That is the first time I have gone to a train show and come home with every piece of American Flyer that was offered at a show. If I had that Hudson, I would restore it to what it was, maybe with a custom paint job. If it can run on your layout with those scale wheels, I would keep them. If not, you can probably find a S scaler who might want them.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video but it frustrated me some. There just doesn't seem to be any train shows in my area or at least I never hear of any. But, I love the E8, what a beast. As to that one you may want to reconfigure, I wouldn't know where to begin but knowing you my thought is go for it, make it a 10 wheeler. Quite the haul you shared with us. Thanks Austin.
Love the E-8. I have a Union Pacific AA set. They have very impressive details. As for the Hudson, don't change it to any other wheel arrangement, keep it as a Hudson; although the scale drivers might not be happy running through Flyer switches and curves. Unless you can't find scale pilot and trailing trucks, I would keep the scale drivers and chassis as and add a Flyer Hudson pilot with truck and an AF Hudson trailing truck. In my opinion, those scale drivers look too nice to give up. As for modifying Flyer locomotives, the Atlantic Coast Tidewater Division's web site includes a really nice section of locomotives by one of their members, Joe Deger. If you haven't visited it yet, I highly recommend it. Finally, thanks again for continuing to share your Flyer adventures with us.
Yes they do. There are UA-cam video links posted on the ACSG web page for most of them. Just click on the picture of the individual locomotive and scroll down until you get to the video link. @@AustinsAmericanFlyertrains
I'd say leave the Hudson as a Hudson. It would be neat to see you make a 4-6-0, but I think that shell would not look right. You could try that with a 280 series shell? I need to get me one of those CNW style cabooses, they look great!
Scale models are fun to photograph and show but the effort required to keep them running and the extra effort for trackwork wears people out. In my opinion highrail (flyonel or am flyer track ) is the path of least resistance and allows easy layout changes when you want to follow a new idea. Some of that stuff was made with high rail flanges and fine scale flanges so it is good to check it carefully before purchase. I would check with NASG on measurement specs and details to confirm what you have. The NASG is the place to pick up parts or sell it if you decide to go that route. CASG l
Austin, I suspect the American Models E8 is in need of lubrication. American Models diesel engines with can motors and nylon gears normally run quieter than it appears yours was. You just can't beat that Union Pacific paint scheme on any diesel in any scale...unless maybe it's the SF War Bonnet scheme! Brooks Stover
I agree with you about the lubrication. I should have waited till after lubrication to run it....but I was so excited to operate it that I threw common sense to the wind. 🙂
Austin, 99.9% certain that there was no variation of the 293 with a sheet metal tender. However, all of the 290 engines did in fact come with sheet metal tenders as far as I know.
You made a reference to a guy who knows more about Flyer than you do but I didn't see anything about who it is? Great Video! That old "900" is that "0" guage with them brass buttons?
@@paulmoore1825 interesting timing....I found a second one that may arrive today. Yes...I've picked up some part to rehab this fella. Since I give customer repairs priority I've been keeping busy with repairs since I shared this video.
Love the shot with the E-8 pulling all of the cars.
The Hudson is a classic, please restore as such. The E-8 is very impressive.
I'd say restore the drive on that Hudson and keep it in that shell. Maybe add back the parts that it's missing. It's a neat piece of history regardless.
You may not have ever seen alot of Lionel American Flyer made since 1979 but so much of it is like the 1950s Gilbert tradition. The 6-48745 Smoking caboose with a red & black paint scheme is beautiful and it smokes good too and lighted also. The U.P. Bay window Caboose, 6-48727, another one with stamped metal frame and interior lighting. Red marker lights at both ends you have to see to appreciate the beauty and detail. Metal chassis are just like Gilbert. Both çars are from 2009 and 2013, not easy to find now. You would love to have both caboose's, I am sure of that!
Nice relaxing video well done.
Make it a Hudson. Carve up a Casey Jones or even a beat up Franklin if you want a Ten Wheeler. The Petticoat Junction "Hooterville Cannonball" is a Ten Wheeler, they are old style engines.
Not sure if you noticed your 21168, being an early version, has a knuckle coupler. Most that I have seen have a Pikemaster coupler. I tend to shy away from stuff with Pikemaster couplers. A few years ago at an auction I bought a Prairie Marksman set just because the 21168 had a knuckle coupler.
You were busy. 😉
I will be at the Greenberg show on the 23rd in Wilminton, MA with my two grand daughters who love my Flyer trains.
Oh sure blame me for your caboose acquisitions. Those AM wood side cabooses are exquisite.
I will check my references (Doyle, Deger, Factory Repair Manuals) to be sure, but the 293 only had a plastic tender labeled New York New Haven Hartford, a diecast trailing truck (I think it is referred to as a "D" truck) under the cab, reverse unit in the tender and was direct 5 wire only. Hope this helps.
Thank you Mike. Well, after seeing your gorgeous wood sides caboose's I was hooked.
Awesome that your grand daughters are going with you to the show!
The 293 has an incorrect tender, you need a plastic USRA NH tender.
The 21085 can be repaired, using a replacement wheel/wheel puller.
Nice 300 Atlantic! Very early ones had the reversing unit (E unit) in the boiler.
The 21068 CJ is a gem, and we’ll worth the gluing effort.
Please make a repair video on Gilbert’s 2 Step Reversing Unit (E Unit), as many of us know nothing about how it works, and how to maintain and repair them.
Soldier on, Austin! 🚂😊
I have been to trains shows in Franklin and Indianapolis, and other central Indiana locations. The nearest significant trains show to me happens only in January and is about 3-1/2 to fours hours away, each way. I did go to a small train show here last last year will little to no expectation of seeing any American Flyer there. it was much smaller than I expected, and only one or two people I spoke with had ever heard of American Flyer or S gauge. I did find a Union Station, minus the steps, but otherwise like new, and a crossing signal. Both are now on my layout. That is the first time I have gone to a train show and come home with every piece of American Flyer that was offered at a show.
If I had that Hudson, I would restore it to what it was, maybe with a custom paint job. If it can run on your layout with those scale wheels, I would keep them. If not, you can probably find a S scaler who might want them.
You da man!
Thoroughly enjoyed the video but it frustrated me some. There just doesn't seem to be any train shows in my area or at least I never hear of any. But, I love the E8, what a beast. As to that one you may want to reconfigure, I wouldn't know where to begin but knowing you my thought is go for it, make it a 10 wheeler. Quite the haul you shared with us. Thanks Austin.
Thank you Gary. I'm surprised to hear this with the population density in your part of the country.
Love the E-8. I have a Union Pacific AA set. They have very impressive details. As for the Hudson, don't change it to any other wheel arrangement, keep it as a Hudson; although the scale drivers might not be happy running through Flyer switches and curves. Unless you can't find scale pilot and trailing trucks, I would keep the scale drivers and chassis as and add a Flyer Hudson pilot with truck and an AF Hudson trailing truck. In my opinion, those scale drivers look too nice to give up. As for modifying Flyer locomotives, the Atlantic Coast Tidewater Division's web site includes a really nice section of locomotives by one of their members, Joe Deger. If you haven't visited it yet, I highly recommend it. Finally, thanks again for continuing to share your Flyer adventures with us.
Thanks Paul. I checked the link you sent me. Those are some very impressive creations. Do they run as well as they look?
Yes they do. There are UA-cam video links posted on the ACSG web page for most of them. Just click on the picture of the individual locomotive and scroll down until you get to the video link. @@AustinsAmericanFlyertrains
I'd say leave the Hudson as a Hudson. It would be neat to see you make a 4-6-0, but I think that shell would not look right. You could try that with a 280 series shell? I need to get me one of those CNW style cabooses, they look great!
Thanks for the thoughts....and yes...the caboose is a must!
Scale models are fun to photograph and show but the effort required to keep them running and the extra effort for trackwork wears people out. In my opinion highrail (flyonel or am flyer track ) is the path of least resistance and allows easy layout changes when you want to follow a new idea. Some of that stuff was made with high rail flanges and fine scale flanges so it is good to check it carefully before purchase. I would check with NASG on measurement specs and details to confirm what you have. The NASG is the place to pick up parts or sell it if you decide to go that route. CASG
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Austin, I suspect the American Models E8 is in need of lubrication. American Models diesel engines with can motors and nylon gears normally run quieter than it appears yours was. You just can't beat that Union Pacific paint scheme on any diesel in any scale...unless maybe it's the SF War Bonnet scheme! Brooks Stover
I agree with you about the lubrication. I should have waited till after lubrication to run it....but I was so excited to operate it that I threw common sense to the wind. 🙂
Austin, 99.9% certain that there was no variation of the 293 with a sheet metal tender. However, all of the 290 engines did in fact come with sheet metal tenders as far as I know.
Thanks Michael...I've never seen a 293 with a metal tender. But the longer I study AC Gilbert the more I realize I do not know.
You made a reference to a guy who knows more about Flyer than you do but I didn't see anything about who it is? Great Video! That old "900" is that "0" guage with them brass buttons?
The old 900 is a 1946 #320 American Flyer Hudson in S gauge.
If you watch the video on a computer a link come up at this point.
restore it back to a hudson!
Hey Austin, what of the Hudson with scale drivers? Have you worked on it or have plans for it?
@@paulmoore1825 interesting timing....I found a second one that may arrive today. Yes...I've picked up some part to rehab this fella. Since I give customer repairs priority I've been keeping busy with repairs since I shared this video.
The only difference between an E8 and an E9 is the headlight bezel. Yours identifies as an E8.
Thanks John.
How old is your E 8 ?
I purchased it used but with little to no run time. I was told that the engine was purchased in the past 10 years or so.