@@ecobeastboyz1986 Feel free to send an e-mail at DrDave@DrDaveBilliards.com FYI, I have tons of info and videos and dealing with every aspect of banking here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/
@@DrDaveBilliards but do you HAVE to hit you ball or can you bank and it not be a foul. I have a friend saying that as long as you can see your ball you must hit it and not bank or it’s a foul
Such an understatement, I don't know how many times I had to explain to people why they fouled only to lose the argument because I didn't have anybody "watch" it or that person didn't know what to look for, very frustrating. Thank you Dr. Dave for this video!
Soldier X I was worried the video was too long, but I didn’t want to cut anything else. I already cut a lot to get it down to 20 minutes. Thank you for watching.
It's 11-P.M. here, but the real kicker - - I found Craps & Blackjack a year ago, so my pool game has suffered dearly. (Initially, I was looking up Craps VID's.) Gotta' pick my stick up again!
Its 2:52 and I just finished watching it, haha. And that's after I told myself at the start when I noticed it was 20 minutes "oh, maybe I won't watch this one right now". Glad I did tho, his videos are always good and this cleared some things up for me. I'm always double checking with other players about specifics of rules.
Thank you for putting in the time to making this video. As a beginner, I want to learn to play the proper way, and I feel learning all this can put me on a better starting path. I really like how technical & precise your explanations are.
Wow so my friends and I have hit dozens of double-hits in our life without every realizing it. We only play at the bar occasionally just for something to do and almost always only with eachother, so it doesn't matter anyway, but still interesting to note.
9:10 You can use a similar technique where the position of the cue ball does not allow you to use the edge of the table. Simply hook your thumb in a belt loop and use it to limit your stroke.
bushputz That sounds familiar. See: ua-cam.com/video/zWukirAlb4Y/v-deo.html Although, there, I use a belt loop to help support the bridge hand. I like your idea to use it instead to limit the motion of the grip hand.
I love these videos so much, they've made me such a better player so fast! I actually hit a masse shot like the one at 8:50 to pocket a ball, get shape for the 8, and avoid a double hit for the win just the other day! My buddies were so shocked too
@@mistysaldana3277 You’re welcome. FYI, I have a new video on this topic: Pool Made Simple … How to Easily Detect a DOUBLE HIT FOUL ua-cam.com/video/5IyX1wMZfF4/v-deo.html Check it out.
your videos are very helpfull :) i play billiard for ten years but now i started with playing pool and your vids are perfect for me because i can hold a cue and i can play with english, draw shots, massé,... shortened i know the drill but pool is a different game to master and my playing style is soft and precise. (i played carambole and golfbilliard (i don't know the name in english) ) and your vids really helps me to improve my game and getting better in a short time thanks :)
I’m a brand new player so I really appreciate this. That being said, the intention miscue to prevent a double hit, seemed like a crafty smart play. I wonder why it’s so frowned upon that you could get thrown out of a game or tournament? I appreciate all these videos Dr. Dave!
I'm glad you like it. The only info concerning unsportsmanlike conduct intentional fouls is in Section 6.17 of the WPA rules here: wpapool.com/rules-of-play/#Fouls
As a person who's getting into snooker always wondered if push shots when balls are touching were actually legal in a game of pool.... Now I know by this video thank you Doctor Dave!
So many hilarious moments in this video, really makes things stick :) Thanks again for this video, I now have something to link when people disagree when I call a foul :D
An opponent Made a legal shot and hooked him self then walked away from the table so I said you did not call safety and he said he did not need to call a safety. I asked a referee for a ruling and she said it was still his turn and he refused with an argument so she got the head referee involved and he said to my opponent it was still his turn and you need to shoot and he still argued. The head referee said, what he did was a flagrant foul intentional cheating automatic loss of the match. The head referee picked up the score card, circled my name and said turn it in. I said to my opponent I was sorry, he was pissed. This was at the BCA tournament in Vegas.
His behavior was definitely "unsportsmanlike conduct," in which case the ref has discretion concerning the penalty. He was way out of line, so loss of game or match was an appropriate penalty.
Had a guy try to "show" me some shots that only "real" players know. One was a prolonged contact push shot, the other was that upward tick shot. I just said thats pretty cool dude lol. Extremely thankful for your content. Otherwise I would have to take those guys at their word bc they've played forever and I haven't.
Great Video! Seems like most bar pool players never know the rules. Any chance you will take your pool classes on the road? Would love to see you on the east coast.
12:13 can we take a second to realize that this is insane!? first, that you even touch the cue ball MULTIPLE times, and secondly that is is never considered a foul even knowing this. mindblown... this video is WAY underrated
If I wanna get into a throw down in a bar, I'm calling these illegal hits. In my leagues, legal hit conversation comes up all the time. This is a good video to save.
FYI, a lot more pertinent info and videos can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/ Enjoy!
These foul shot depends on what kind of game you're playing and also depends on agreement with both parties... But most of these foul shots are from 9 ball and 8 ball and 10 ball... I'm talking about the balls hitting a cushion after a hit with a kick shot... Nice Video by the way...
Thanks. You are right ... the focus in this video is on 8/19/10 ball; although, most of the rules apply to all pool games. Concerning "depends on agreement with both parties," if the official WPA rules of pool are always used, there is no need for negotiation or possible disagreements.
Dr. Dave, I have some more questions: 1. Technically speaking, in super slow motion, are swerve shots caused by double hitting at more than one tiny contact point? 2. What would be the result if the last object ball bounced back from the pocket? Thank you sir
I have a question about difference in rules between BCAPL and WPA rules, not related to fouls specifically. This is from BCAPL rules: "Obvious Shot (AR p. 77, 85) A shot in which the non-shooting player has no doubt as to, or does not question, the ball and the pocket. A shot in which the cue ball has a clear path to the object ball and the object ball has a clear path to the pocket. The following types of shots are exceptions and are defined as being "not obvious": a. bank shots; b. kick shots c. combination shots; d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not incidental; e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee. [...] 8. A shot that was obvious prior to the shot will count for the shooter if the shot inadvertently: a. becomes a bank shot because the called ball did not go directly into the called pocket but instead contacted two or more cushions prior to being pocketed in the called pocket, or; b. becomes a kick shot because the cue ball initially missed the called ball, contacted one or more cushions, and then pocketed the called ball in the called pocket." So my question is, if you are playing under WPA rules and you make a shot as described in the BCA 8 a or b (above) without calling it, will it count for the shooter as well even though it is not explicitly defined as a good shot in the rules like it is in BCAPL? It seems to me that it should, because if not that implies that an 'obvious pocket' call is not worth as much as an explicitly called pocket, since if the pocket was explicitly called it wouldn't matter how it got there as long as it was a legal shot. But I am curious about your interpretation as I couldn't find anything about this on the Pool Rule Differences resource page. EDIT: Also, I would appreciate if you could include a section on the Pool Rule Differences resource page for WPA rules. For example, as it is in APA, in WPA you can not hit the 8 ball first if the table is open or it is a foul. It seems like the rule differences page as it is now lists rules have that are different from WPA, so if you choose to not add a section for WPA as well it might be better to remove that part from APA and say you CAN hit the 8 ball first on an open table in the other rulesets, since APA does not disagree with WPA in this instance. EDIT 2: The discrepancy on the Pool Rule Differences page has been fixed (see reply to this comment)
Yes, use the same definition of "obvious shot" in the BCA rules for WPA rules. Both rulesets call it the same regarding "obvious" shots. The only discrepancy you may possibly be interested to know is that for the game of Chinese 8-ball, not played using either WPA or BCA rules, although based off WPA rules, that "obvious shots" that inadvertently go in indirectly will be called a foul if you didn't call the pocket, no matter how obvious.
Under most implementations of WPA rules, obvious shots do not need to by called. As long as the ball goes in the obvious intended pocket, the shot is good. This is not totally spelled out in the rules, but this is how it is typically implemented.
Thank you for pointing out the hitting-the-8-first-with-an-open-table discrepancy on my rule differences page. FYI, I just fixed it. Only VNEA allows this.
I have a few questions regarding 8 ball pool? What if I call a pocket and the ball Doesn't go directly in but bounces around the table but then still goes in the same pocket is that a legal shot? second question if I call a pocket but my ball bounces off another ball, mine or my oppositions but goes in the pocket does that still count as a legal shot? 3rd ? If I bump a ball on accident or on purpose and it interferes with any balls does my opponent get to put the Q ball wherever they want? thank you, great video.
FYI, all rules can be found here, for both the official WPA rules and typical “bar rules!” billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ A good concise rules summary can also be found there: billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/rules_summary.pdf Under the official rules, all you need to call is the pocket, on any shot. Nothing else matters.
I really appreciate your videos. However, some close up slow motion frames would help me to actually SEE the double hits, etc. Thanks for such detailed information.
What is confusing about the unsportsmanlike conduct shots is that many of them are not under any technical definition currently illegal shots, contact, or stroke; so what about them makes them fouls? That not many people can make them? I'm more confused than ever now.
I guess the week defined hit notion or desired pocketed ball not being the first contact, the intentional miscue on the eight ball first example is especially confusing if it is not a double hit and the balls are contacting (touching) and the stroke through the balls is legal, what about this shot makes it illegal except this vague unsportsmanlike conduct doctrine which can easily be abused or misinterpreted. ? Still confused
FYI, lots of info and videos dealing with all types of fouls can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/ The two main types of unsportsmanlike conduct fouls are intentional miscues and intentional scoop jump shots. They are covered in detail here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/scoop/
Thanks very much for taking the time to post these examples of fouls in American 8 ball pool. Good to know especially if your opponent likes to try to deceive 👏👍
For a shot to be legal, the CB must hit one of your balls first, and then something needs to be pocketed or driven to a cushion. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
I know this is an older video, but the shot at 1:00 that you say is good is also a foul. Your set up is that the eight is frozen so if the cue ball doesn’t get a rail, the eight must hit a rail it isn’t frozen to or leave the frozen rail, hit and object ball then hit the frozen rail in order to be a good hit.
Under the WPA "official rules of pool," the OB does not need to be driven to a "different" rail. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Most of the fouls are becoming more common because how ironic the cue ball are, but they are very rare if the cue ball is jumped off the table or sitting on the table floor while the feet is in the air.
Dave, thanks for the pointing that out. WPA is definitely an outlier with this specific rule and I learned yet another difference in various rule sets!
3:09 How many attempts did you try to make the cue ball ride the rail before you just manually demonstrated the action? I thank you again for taking the time to make this awesome demonstration of the rules in action!
Bca ruling: if a rail is struck first by cue ball to a ball that's on that rail as the object ball rolls away from the rail and back into that rail, it IS a foul. Any ball must touch a rail or object ball must contact a DIFFERENT RAIL for it to be a legal shot. (I'm sure I heard you say if it comes back to the rail it is legal... it is not.)
@@mistysaldana3277 Yep. FYI, all known rules differences between official WPA rules and CSI/BCAPL rules are listed here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences/
Hello Dr. Dave. Thank you for these amazing educational videos, you've helped me to better understand, improve and enjoy my game! Just wanted to know if you have any idea regarding the iligal break (a combination of 3 balls pocketed and crossing the breaking line). On the tournaments I've watched through youtube, sometimes it's applied, and others not. So I'm not sure if it's a WPA and BCA rule. ??? Thanks again and I hope that we have the chance to play some day.
The 3-ball-across-the-line rule is not standard but some tournaments decide to use it. Many tournaments have rules that deviate from the WPA rules slightly. For example rules variations, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/stats/#9-ball
another excellent video, some of your rules are different to what we play in the UK. thanks for explaining the ball must hit the cushion or be potted rule, do you need 3 balls to make it behind the balk line on the break? (been playing 9 ball) don't know if it's the same for 8 ball.can you suggest a link to find the official rules?
@@mikeplant9163 UK rules are different from the WPA “official rules of pool.” For more info and a link to the official rules, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Wow I am realizing that most pool games amongst friends are played breaking 90% of these rules! Most people just know the normal rules....but if you're ever playing tournament pool, I guess these are the rules one has to play by.
Most people who only play socially (not in leagues or tournaments) do use the "official rules of pool." They instead play under what is called "bar rules:" billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/bar-rules The problem with "bar rules" is they vary a lot from one person to the next and from one bar to the next, and one region or country to the next.
@@DrDaveBilliards Good point. With the fouls..... I can't understand how it can ever be used in social pool. The person will dispute it. And without slow motion instant replay, who can ever truly prove a foul? Heck even obvious fouls on a basketball playground get heated disputes. But how can 2 people come to an agreement with no replay?
@@letmebreakitdown2u152 Just like calling fouls with playground basketball, all you can do is hope your opponent is knowledgeable, fair and reasonable. It also helps if there are impartial bystanders who saw the foul and understand what fouls are. Concerning double-hit fouls, they are usually obvious based on how the CB moves. If your opponent doesn't understand this, you can suggest they watch the videos here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/ Then, the next time you play, they might better understand and be more reasonable.
Although snooker/one pocket is second in line right behind billiards, one pocket/snooker and straight pool are next. Then 9-ball. Then 8-ball. Billiards is the bomb!
Makes me wonder how often my buddies and I are fouling with double hits....but we don't have the slow-mo, knowledge, or sobriety to make those detections when we shoot in our pub. :) Those rail shots, though, really have me thinking!
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks to your video I started picking up on some double hits this weekend. I didn't call the other guy on it, though. He's having enough trouble maintaining his composure when I womp him repeatedly. If I tried to explain this to him he might start crying.
I like how you explained the legitamite tournament rules. Unfortunately most people let half or 75% of these slide for casual play. Now if they were playing in a tournament, they would be f&*^ed. Myself included. But I know I'm terrible at pool and know my place. I just play for fun. Or in this case, "casual"
Some of these would only be called in a pro match. Most of the double hits aren't known by the general public. And the beginning 8-ball bank safety I've never seen people call that. Even if it technically is a foul. If it gets that many corners and the target ball then most consider it fine. I remember some of this from Billards and Bowling camp back in 93, but this stuff is rarely enforced outside of official stuff. At the end of the day, all these were decided on at some point anyway. They may have well been different in a different world. Take a ball bounce out in golf. The same rule is opposite in baseball. If you clear the yellow line, it's a homerun regardless if it bounces off a fan's head and back in the field. But in golf you could sink from the tee and it bounce out. And yet the hole guard wasn't put there for any reason other than to catch the ball.
Fouls might not be called in some home pool rooms and bars, but they are certainly called in most leagues and tournaments (amateur or pro) and by any decent players who know the game.
Dr. Dave 1. Should the referee always wait for cue ball to stop before judging a failed snooker escape? 2. Can the referee himself touch the moving cue ball after the last object ball is potted? Thanks!
@@Busboo It is not proper, but I can understand the impatience with waiting for the CB to stop moving when it is totally obvious it won’t scratch or hit any other balls.
I think everybody should use the WPA official rules of pool when they play pool. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ But many Americans in casual settings prefer "bar rules:" billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/bar-rules
I have seen that. Thanks. FYI, other methods to prevent double hits are demonstrated in the videos linked in the bullet list near the bottom of the page here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
@@DrDaveBilliards : Thanks Dr. Dave. I hope you wont mind my asking you to judge another shot in one of Efren's games. The controversy occurs on the seven ball, near the end of the snippet, around minute 4.05: ua-cam.com/video/DbRpK2mgPAY/v-deo.html
@@rogerscottcathey I don't think it was a double hit; but it is too close to call, even advancing the video forward frame by frame. In situations like this, where a foul is not obvious, the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter.
Amazing Video. Quick question. If i make an object ball in a pocket i didnt intend to or call, is that ball in hand for my opponent or just loss of turn or both?
Double contact shots are my pet peeve. Sooo many people in my experience cant understand why it's a foul. On top of that it can change a game in a single shot. The shooter could have a straight angle and lots of clusters on the table, then the cue ball goes flying 60mph completing changing the layout on the table.
Great video even tho some of these rules don’t apply as I play 2 shot pool or world rules. Fouls including jumping the ball and touching by accident is a foul on purpose is loss of frame. Other than that pretty similar.
I'm not sure what "world rules" you are referring to. The "official rules of pool" are the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA) World Standardized Rules (WSR). They are used in international professional pool tournaments and are the basis of most league system rules. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Hi I have a couple questions about 8 ball. Do you only put the cue ball behind the headstring when doing the break shot? For example if I have ball in hand after my opponent fouls I can put it anywhere on the table right? It doesn't have to be behind the headstring?
The CB goes behind the headstring only for the break and after a foul on the break shot. FYI, answers to all rules questions can be found in the videos, info, and links here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for putting this video together! This will help me to either avoid or start barfights...depending on the size of my opponent! *joke*
Some guy I was playing tied himself up on his last shot. It was the cue ball, 8 inches, my ball, 8 inches, and the 8 ball, all on (near) the rail with the 8 just 2 inches from the pocket. The little bastard scoop jumped it and he and another idiot started cheering and high 5ing each other. He comes over to me... "Good game..." and I said, "Yeah, except that the shot you took was not legal." "That is not a legal jump shot." Actually, folks like that are too dumb to instruct, because they are not going to believe you anyway. Especially not in a hick bar setting.
Hello Dr. Dave. Your video helps me a lot. Thank you. I have a question about driving a ball to a cushion. Someone told me that if an object ball is ON(frozen) to a rail, that object ball became a part of the rail so that if another object ball hits that ball(frozen to a rail) it will be considered as hit a rail (legal shot). Is it true??
No. That is not true. Under standard WPA and CSI rules, after CB-OB contact, a ball (any ball) must be driven to a cushion (or pocketed). A ball already touching a cushion is not "driven to a cushion" and it is not considered "part of the cushion" (because it is not).
My opponent gave me a push shot foul on a shot where no objectball was in the near. Just because i played it with slow speed to hold position and for him, it looked like a push shot. In my mind, it was legal because i felt no wrong stroke and even i pushed it, i don't think i could hold the speed. It was just a shot in the middle pocket cueball 1 diamond away from rail and objectball about 1.5 diamonds away with a little angle. I accepted his call but for my mind it was a legal hit.
1:26-1:29 The sctrach accures together with potting a ball. What happenes to that ball in case of: 1. It belongs to your type of balls. 2. Its your enemies 3. Or it doesnt matter you respott them back on the table? Thanks! ❤
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks alot! ❤️ Bonus quastion (if you dont mind). Is there acctualy any situation when you respot The ball/-s.? (Us for example during the break [1:st hit in The match] and accedently pot The Black alone) cuz if you pot Black and White even during the first shot you lose {if i get it right}. Thanks alot.
@@ivanjarlwallen2263 If you pocket the 8 on the break, you have the option to spot it or re-rack. FYI, all detailed rules (and concise summaries) can be found here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Few questions, I'm aware below are all ball in hand fouls. However: 1. What happens to the ball pocketed if u pocket the ball on a foul? 2. What happens to the ball if u hit ur or the opponent's ball off the table? 3. What happens to the pocketed ball if u hit the opponents ball first and pocket ur ball?
FYI, you can look up answers to these and any rules questions via the links to the rule set of interest here: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ Under WPA rules: 1. stays down 2. stays down 3. stays down
@@DrDaveBilliards thats how I've been playing but recently I've seen so many different rules pop up , somewhere I saw if u hit a ball off the table u have to put it back in the middle , so alot of confusing info out there
Question for you that wasn't covered. This recently happened to me. I played a safe on my opponent in 9-Ball, leaving him no chance to make a good legal hit. Additionally, the lowest numbered ball (the 1 ball) was directly in-line with the 9-ball, which was 1 foot from a pocket...an easy combo with if I were to get ball in hand. Normally, an opponent that knows they wouldn't get a legal hit, resulting in ball-in-hand, would hit the cue ball into something to at least break up that combo opportunity. But because of the unique way the cue was hidden (opposite end of the table, surrounded by 3 other balls) it would have been near impossible, even with the most flamboyant push/foul. So instead, my opponent just shoots the 9-ball into the pocket with his cue. I have searched VNEA/BCA/APA/APP, etc... rules and have not found anything the covers this. To "me" this is borderline "unsportsmanlike conduct" and worthy of a forfeit of that particular game. No different really, that when you know your opponent is going to make an easy winning shot you left them and before they shoot, you grab the (9-ball) and just pocket it by hand, conceding the game. When I asked the tournament director, I was just told I get "ball-in-hand"..... thoughts/opinions/facts about this????
Under WPA, that would be an "unsportsmanlike conduct" foul, probably resulting in loss of game. If not, the 9-ball should be replaced where it was, and you should get ball in hand.
Maybe you can help me with a rule and/or foul question. Recently in a small tournament, my opponent reached into a drop pocket and pulled out a previously pocketed object ball. He used the ball to check the clearance between two object balls on the table to see if the cue ball would fit through. I know your not allowed to do this but I don't know what the penalty is. Ball in hand? Dirty look? Slap on the wrist?
It is considered an unsportsmanlike conduct foul. In a refereed match, it could result in ball in hand or even loss of game, at the discretion of the referee.
Hi Dr.Dave. apologies but I have another question which I hope you can resolve for us please?. In 8-ball, once the groups are allocated, is it legal to play a cannon (or combination shot) so long as you hit your nominated ball first and pot a ball of the same group in the nominated pocket?. For example if I am stripes and cannon the 10 into the 13 and pot I pot the 13 into the called pocket does play continue or does play pass to your opponent?. We've read the WPA rules and we can't agree on whether or not this is permitted
All that matters is hitting a legal ball first and pocketing the called ball in the called pocket. Anything else goes. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Had a question for years, including in tournaments. If you have the last ball of your kind (solids/stripes), and you sink both that ball and the 8-ball, AND you call the entire shot including both balls, is this still legal? If so would it depend on whether the 8 ball goes in before or after the other?
After CB-OB contact, either the CB or an OB must hit the rail. That is the only requirement. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Dr Dave. I have a have a question that I hope you can help me with please?. When racking does the apex ball or the 8 ball go on the foot spot?. And could you refer me to the set of rules please if that is possible?. Trying to settle a disagreement as to which is correct. Thanks
The apex ball is always on the spot in 8-ball. In some 9-ball tournaments, the 9 is on the spot with the apex ball in front of the spot. For rules info and resources, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/ and for 9-ball racking and breaking info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/
At 3:20 if you use left or right English during the shot would you double hit? I was taught if the balls are close or frozen to use left or right English to prevent the double hit, just wondering how accurate that is.
That can work, but it is certainly not a sure thing. For more info, see the videos dealing with how to avoid double hits in the bulleted list near the bottom of the first section here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
I have a combination question for bar pool LOL if I'm solids and I want to use a combination with a 8-ball in the middle is that okay like one ball - eight ball - three ball
All that matters is hitting one of your balls first and making the called ball. Anything else goes. For mor info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
*Table of Contents:*
- legal shot (0:21)
---- driving a ball to a cushion (0:32)
---- balls jumped off the table (1:30)
---- foot on floor (1:35)
---- aiming aids (1:47)
---- outside interference (2:02)
- double hit (3:26)
- double hit detection (5:10)
- double hit avoidance (6:57)
---- small-gap angled hit (7:01)
---- elevated cue (7:14)
---- inside vs. outside spin (7:40)
---- short bridge and stroke (8:22)
---- small-gap grip tighten (8:30)
---- highly elevated cue (8:43)
---- hand against the rail (9:08)
---- reverse stroke with cue on table (9:28)
---- frozen CB shots (9:52)
-------- twice-as-full aiming system (10:58)
---- elevated follow shot (11:42)
- wrong ball first (12:37)
---- watching CB motion (12:53)
---- watching OB motion (13:31)
---- 3-frozen-OB proposition (14:10)
- miscue fouls (15:59)
---- herding unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (16:47)
---- cue lift unsportsmanlike intentional miscue foul (17:15)
---- unsportsmanlike intentional miscue safety foul (17:38)
---- illegal "scoop" jump shot (17:55)
- push shot (18:37)
---- push past frozen ball proposition (19:37)
- Pool Rules Quiz (20:01)
*Supporting Resources:*
- rules resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
- pool league rule differences: billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences
- pool fouls resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/
- double hit resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
- frozen CB resource page (with super-slow-motion video): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/frozen/
- twice-as-full system: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/frozen/aiming/
- “which ball hit first?” resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/wrong-ball-first/
- miscue resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/
- push shot resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/push/
- Pool Rules Quiz: billiards.colostate.edu/rules-quiz/
I have a question about banking is there possibly an email where I can contact you.
Can one bank if the other players ball is in front of yours. But you can slightly see you ball from
Behind the other players ball
@@ecobeastboyz1986 Feel free to send an e-mail at DrDave@DrDaveBilliards.com
FYI, I have tons of info and videos and dealing with every aspect of banking here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/
@@ecobeastboyz1986 Yes, if there is enough room to get the necessary angle to the pocket.
@@DrDaveBilliards but do you HAVE to hit you ball or can you bank and it not be a foul. I have a friend saying that as long as you can see your ball you must hit it and not bank or it’s a foul
The blowing on the ball just had me laughing! Good video, Dr. Dave.
SlickRick4EVER 😂😂😂😂👍
dude same
SlickRick4EVER I almost didn’t include this because I thought it would inspire the immature UA-cam viewers out there to write: “Nice blow job”
@@DrDaveBilliards Lmao!! I never would have thought of that. I would rather stick to the subject at hand than my mind in the gutter.
@@DrDaveBilliards top kek
we need this to play on loop in every pool hall in the world please
Nolan Castellano I agree that this would be quite helpful. I am often shocked by how little even some very good players know about all of this stuff.
Such an understatement, I don't know how many times I had to explain to people why they fouled only to lose the argument because I didn't have anybody "watch" it or that person didn't know what to look for, very frustrating. Thank you Dr. Dave for this video!
Cant believe I just watched a 20 min long video on pool fouls at 2 am
Soldier X I was worried the video was too long, but I didn’t want to cut anything else. I already cut a lot to get it down to 20 minutes. Thank you for watching.
Same here, but at 1am. Good watch tho
It's 11-P.M. here, but the real kicker - - I found Craps & Blackjack a year ago, so my pool game has suffered dearly. (Initially, I was looking up Craps VID's.) Gotta' pick my stick up again!
Exactly me 2 days later Bro
Its 2:52 and I just finished watching it, haha. And that's after I told myself at the start when I noticed it was 20 minutes "oh, maybe I won't watch this one right now". Glad I did tho, his videos are always good and this cleared some things up for me. I'm always double checking with other players about specifics of rules.
“If your opponent is unethical or doesn’t like you very much”......that comment had me dying!!! Great vid Dr.
Dave your videos are incredible and it is obvious you are an educator.
Thanks!
Thank you for putting in the time to making this video. As a beginner, I want to learn to play the proper way, and I feel learning all this can put me on a better starting path. I really like how technical & precise your explanations are.
FYI, I have lots of helpful,resources for beginners here:
billiards.colostate.edu/beginner-help/
Check them out.
Wow so my friends and I have hit dozens of double-hits in our life without every realizing it. We only play at the bar occasionally just for something to do and almost always only with eachother, so it doesn't matter anyway, but still interesting to note.
Best explanation of pool fouls I've ever seen. Thanks!
Thank you! You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Thanks, Dave.
It's been a couple years since I've shot, but the sound of the miscue still hurts like it was yesterday. Oof. Heartbreaker.
@@Dustin_the_wind You’re welcome.
The miscues sound is definitely heartbreakingly harsh.
9:10
You can use a similar technique where the position of the cue ball does not allow you to use the edge of the table.
Simply hook your thumb in a belt loop and use it to limit your stroke.
bushputz That sounds familiar.
See: ua-cam.com/video/zWukirAlb4Y/v-deo.html
Although, there, I use a belt loop to help support the bridge hand. I like your idea to use it instead to limit the motion of the grip hand.
I love these videos so much, they've made me such a better player so fast! I actually hit a masse shot like the one at 8:50 to pocket a ball, get shape for the 8, and avoid a double hit for the win just the other day! My buddies were so shocked too
I’m glad to hear it.
Very well made indeed. I learnt a great deal. Had no idea that billiards could be a thesis subject, but with this level of detail why not
Thank you for covering the dbl hit, I'm constantly having to explain all the aspects of that.
@@mistysaldana3277 You’re welcome. FYI, I have a new video on this topic:
Pool Made Simple … How to Easily Detect a DOUBLE HIT FOUL
ua-cam.com/video/5IyX1wMZfF4/v-deo.html
Check it out.
your videos are very helpfull :) i play billiard for ten years but now i started with playing pool and your vids are perfect for me because i can hold a cue and i can play with english, draw shots, massé,... shortened i know the drill but pool is a different game to master and my playing style is soft and precise. (i played carambole and golfbilliard (i don't know the name in english) ) and your vids really helps me to improve my game and getting better in a short time thanks :)
I’m a brand new player so I really appreciate this. That being said, the intention miscue to prevent a double hit, seemed like a crafty smart play. I wonder why it’s so frowned upon that you could get thrown out of a game or tournament?
I appreciate all these videos Dr. Dave!
I'm glad you like it. The only info concerning unsportsmanlike conduct intentional fouls is in Section 6.17 of the WPA rules here:
wpapool.com/rules-of-play/#Fouls
Ut fantastic Dave I've seen few these there confusing at times thanks for awesome lesson.
As a person who's getting into snooker always wondered if push shots when balls are touching were actually legal in a game of pool....
Now I know by this video thank you Doctor Dave!
I didn't know about 2:27! I only play casually with my mates so it'll be good to tell them we can be more lenient about bumping other balls.
The technique at 9:32 is fabulous. It'll save me from miscuing on that reach across length of the table shot.
I'm glad you like it, and I hope you get to use it effectively.
Dr Dave, If your not in the "Hall of Fame " , you should be. Definitely enjoy you videos... I have always learned something about Billiards.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you like and benefit from my stuff.
The blowing part cracked me and led me to the comments section 😂😂😂😂
So many hilarious moments in this video, really makes things stick :) Thanks again for this video, I now have something to link when people disagree when I call a foul :D
An opponent Made a legal shot and hooked him self then walked away from the table so I said you did not call safety and he said he did not need to call a safety. I asked a referee for a ruling and she said it was still his turn and he refused with an argument so she got the head referee involved and he said to my opponent it was still his turn and you need to shoot and he still argued. The head referee said, what he did was a flagrant foul intentional cheating automatic loss of the match. The head referee picked up the score card, circled my name and said turn it in. I said to my opponent I was sorry, he was pissed. This was at the BCA tournament in Vegas.
His behavior was definitely "unsportsmanlike conduct," in which case the ref has discretion concerning the penalty. He was way out of line, so loss of game or match was an appropriate penalty.
Unbelievably well described. Thanks!
Thank you. And you're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
All the casual people I play need to watch this video. How many damn times do I need to explain that you need to hit a cushion and double hits?
Now you can just play the video for them. :)
Does white circles ( dots for training) were can I find them to buy?
See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/training/teaching/
Had a guy try to "show" me some shots that only "real" players know. One was a prolonged contact push shot, the other was that upward tick shot. I just said thats pretty cool dude lol. Extremely thankful for your content. Otherwise I would have to take those guys at their word bc they've played forever and I haven't.
Some of those illegal shots are fun as “proposition” shots, but not useful in actual play:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/trick-shot/propositions/
Great Video! Seems like most bar pool players never know the rules. Any chance you will take your pool classes on the road? Would love to see you on the east coast.
I do not have plans to travel to give lessons or courses. I'm kept busy enough doing lessons and courses in Colorado.
Nick, bar pool players really don't play pool right. In my eyes, they really are pool bangers.
12:13 can we take a second to realize that this is insane!? first, that you even touch the cue ball MULTIPLE times, and secondly that is is never considered a foul even knowing this. mindblown... this video is WAY underrated
Agreed. I wish every pool player (especially every leagues player) was required to watch this video.
If I wanna get into a throw down in a bar, I'm calling these illegal hits. In my leagues, legal hit conversation comes up all the time. This is a good video to save.
Agreed. I wish all league players (and people that play in bars) were required to watch this video. There would be a lot less "misunderstandings."
Now these are the rules I was looking for!!!!! Finally
FYI, a lot more pertinent info and videos can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
and here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/
Enjoy!
I play all of these rules except for scoop shots. We allow them so as not to accidentally tear the fabric on the table and is generally agreed upon
These foul shot depends on what kind of game you're playing and also depends on agreement with both parties... But most of these foul shots are from 9 ball and 8 ball and 10 ball... I'm talking about the balls hitting a cushion after a hit with a kick shot... Nice Video by the way...
Thanks. You are right ... the focus in this video is on 8/19/10 ball; although, most of the rules apply to all pool games. Concerning "depends on agreement with both parties," if the official WPA rules of pool are always used, there is no need for negotiation or possible disagreements.
Dr. Dave, I have some more questions:
1. Technically speaking, in super slow motion, are swerve shots caused by double hitting at more than one tiny contact point?
2. What would be the result if the last object ball bounced back from the pocket?
Thank you sir
1. No. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/swerve/
2. It is just like any other missed shot. Play continues.
great instructional vid... any chance you can do one on stalemate situations?
Thanks. Stalemates are on my list, but not very high up. Hopefully, I’ll get to it some day.
Snooker vids: Tequila Snooker / Pool vids: Dr. Dave
Dr. Dave You are awesome.
That moment you realize you've been potentially playing wrong for years without even knowing. Thanks Dr Dave, will work to be a more legit player!
I have a question about difference in rules between BCAPL and WPA rules, not related to fouls specifically.
This is from BCAPL rules:
"Obvious Shot (AR p. 77, 85)
A shot in which the non-shooting player has no doubt as to, or does not question, the ball
and the pocket. A shot in which the cue ball has a clear path to the object ball and the
object ball has a clear path to the pocket. The following types of shots are exceptions and
are defined as being "not obvious":
a. bank shots;
b. kick shots
c. combination shots;
d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not
incidental;
e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee.
[...]
8. A shot that was obvious prior to the shot will count for the shooter if the shot
inadvertently:
a. becomes a bank shot because the called ball did not go directly into the
called pocket but instead contacted two or more cushions prior to being
pocketed in the called pocket, or;
b. becomes a kick shot because the cue ball initially missed the called ball,
contacted one or more cushions, and then pocketed the called ball in the
called pocket."
So my question is, if you are playing under WPA rules and you make a shot as described in the BCA 8 a or b (above) without calling it, will it count for the shooter as well even though it is not explicitly defined as a good shot in the rules like it is in BCAPL? It seems to me that it should, because if not that implies that an 'obvious pocket' call is not worth as much as an explicitly called pocket, since if the pocket was explicitly called it wouldn't matter how it got there as long as it was a legal shot. But I am curious about your interpretation as I couldn't find anything about this on the Pool Rule Differences resource page.
EDIT: Also, I would appreciate if you could include a section on the Pool Rule Differences resource page for WPA rules. For example, as it is in APA, in WPA you can not hit the 8 ball first if the table is open or it is a foul. It seems like the rule differences page as it is now lists rules have that are different from WPA, so if you choose to not add a section for WPA as well it might be better to remove that part from APA and say you CAN hit the 8 ball first on an open table in the other rulesets, since APA does not disagree with WPA in this instance.
EDIT 2: The discrepancy on the Pool Rule Differences page has been fixed (see reply to this comment)
Yes, use the same definition of "obvious shot" in the BCA rules for WPA rules. Both rulesets call it the same regarding "obvious" shots. The only discrepancy you may possibly be interested to know is that for the game of Chinese 8-ball, not played using either WPA or BCA rules, although based off WPA rules, that "obvious shots" that inadvertently go in indirectly will be called a foul if you didn't call the pocket, no matter how obvious.
Under most implementations of WPA rules, obvious shots do not need to by called. As long as the ball goes in the obvious intended pocket, the shot is good. This is not totally spelled out in the rules, but this is how it is typically implemented.
Thank you for pointing out the hitting-the-8-first-with-an-open-table discrepancy on my rule differences page. FYI, I just fixed it. Only VNEA allows this.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks Dave!
Kable K You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
I have a few questions regarding 8 ball pool? What if I call a pocket and the ball Doesn't go directly in but bounces around the table but then still goes in the same pocket is that a legal shot? second question if I call a pocket but my ball bounces off another ball, mine or my oppositions but goes in the pocket does that still count as a legal shot? 3rd ? If I bump a ball on accident or on purpose and it interferes with any balls does my opponent get to put the Q ball wherever they want? thank you, great video.
FYI, all rules can be found here, for both the official WPA rules and typical “bar rules!”
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
A good concise rules summary can also be found there:
billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/rules_summary.pdf
Under the official rules, all you need to call is the pocket, on any shot. Nothing else matters.
I love this video, you are so thorough
top 100 of the most valueable videos in pool
emankov Thank you. I wish everybody thought this, especially the countless league players that are clueless about most of this stuff.
@@DrDaveBilliards Well, this clearly helps us win games against them ;)
Great video! I loved your teaching session with Rollie. You are awesome! 😉
Cristian Munteanu Thanks! The Rollie filming session was a lot of fun.
I really appreciate your videos. However, some close up slow motion frames would help me to actually SEE the double hits, etc. Thanks for such detailed information.
FYI, I have lots of super slow motion double hit examples in the videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
Enjoy!
Merci. This was educational Dr. Thanks!
I’m glad you liked it. You’re welcome.
Dr. Dave for president 👍🏻🙂
What is confusing about the unsportsmanlike conduct shots is that many of them are not under any technical definition currently illegal shots, contact, or stroke; so what about them makes them fouls?
That not many people can make them?
I'm more confused than ever now.
I guess the week defined hit notion or desired pocketed ball not being the first contact, the intentional miscue on the eight ball first example is especially confusing if it is not a double hit and the balls are contacting (touching) and the stroke through the balls is legal, what about this shot makes it illegal except this vague unsportsmanlike conduct doctrine which can easily be abused or misinterpreted. ? Still confused
FYI, lots of info and videos dealing with all types of fouls can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/
The two main types of unsportsmanlike conduct fouls are intentional miscues and intentional scoop jump shots. They are covered in detail here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/scoop/
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you
@@DinkyDicots You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. 🤓
Thanks very much for taking the time to post these examples of fouls in American 8 ball pool. Good to know especially if your opponent likes to try to deceive 👏👍
I wish this video were required viewing for anybody who plays pool. If it were, there would be far fewer disagreements and arguments.
If the cue ball hits a cushion first and then my opponent's ball (both are driven to a cushion), is that a foul?
For a shot to be legal, the CB must hit one of your balls first, and then something needs to be pocketed or driven to a cushion. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
@@DrDaveBilliards Hi, Dr. Dave! When you say something do you mean also my opponent's balls?
@@ПавелРябых-щ5х "Something" could be the CB or any OB (including an opponent OB).
I know this is an older video, but the shot at 1:00 that you say is good is also a foul. Your set up is that the eight is frozen so if the cue ball doesn’t get a rail, the eight must hit a rail it isn’t frozen to or leave the frozen rail, hit and object ball then hit the frozen rail in order to be a good hit.
Under the WPA "official rules of pool," the OB does not need to be driven to a "different" rail. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Most of the fouls are becoming more common because how ironic the cue ball are, but they are very rare if the cue ball is jumped off the table or sitting on the table floor while the feet is in the air.
Agreed. Many of the rules and fouls rarely come up, especially in top-level play.
Dave, thanks for the pointing that out. WPA is definitely an outlier with this specific rule and I learned yet another difference in various rule sets!
@@jeffc3755 Agreed. I hope this is one rule they change in the next revision.
3:09 How many attempts did you try to make the cue ball ride the rail before you just manually demonstrated the action?
I thank you again for taking the time to make this awesome demonstration of the rules in action!
I tried a bunch. That’s the kind of thing that only seems to happen when you’re not trying to do it.
Bca ruling: if a rail is struck first by cue ball to a ball that's on that rail as the object ball rolls away from the rail and back into that rail, it IS a foul. Any ball must touch a rail or object ball must contact a DIFFERENT RAIL for it to be a legal shot. (I'm sure I heard you say if it comes back to the rail it is legal... it is not.)
@@mistysaldana3277 Yep. FYI, all known rules differences between official WPA rules and CSI/BCAPL rules are listed here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences/
Hello Dr. Dave. Thank you for these amazing educational videos, you've helped me to better understand, improve and enjoy my game! Just wanted to know if you have any idea regarding the iligal break (a combination of 3 balls pocketed and crossing the breaking line). On the tournaments I've watched through youtube, sometimes it's applied, and others not. So I'm not sure if it's a WPA and BCA rule. ??? Thanks again and I hope that we have the chance to play some day.
The 3-ball-across-the-line rule is not standard but some tournaments decide to use it. Many tournaments have rules that deviate from the WPA rules slightly. For example rules variations, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/stats/#9-ball
another excellent video, some of your rules are different to what we play in the UK. thanks for explaining the ball must hit the cushion or be potted rule, do you need 3 balls to make it behind the balk line on the break? (been playing 9 ball) don't know if it's the same for 8 ball.can you suggest a link to find the official rules?
@@mikeplant9163 UK rules are different from the WPA “official rules of pool.” For more info and a link to the official rules, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Invaluable information!
I’m glad you think so. I just wish all league players would agree with you.
9:50 And this is legal. xD I must play a shot like this next time. Ty Dr. Dave!
Wow I am realizing that most pool games amongst friends are played breaking 90% of these rules!
Most people just know the normal rules....but if you're ever playing tournament pool, I guess these are the rules one has to play by.
Most people who only play socially (not in leagues or tournaments) do use the "official rules of pool." They instead play under what is called "bar rules:"
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/bar-rules
The problem with "bar rules" is they vary a lot from one person to the next and from one bar to the next, and one region or country to the next.
@@DrDaveBilliards Good point.
With the fouls..... I can't understand how it can ever be used in social pool. The person will dispute it. And without slow motion instant replay, who can ever truly prove a foul?
Heck even obvious fouls on a basketball playground get heated disputes.
But how can 2 people come to an agreement with no replay?
@@letmebreakitdown2u152 Just like calling fouls with playground basketball, all you can do is hope your opponent is knowledgeable, fair and reasonable. It also helps if there are impartial bystanders who saw the foul and understand what fouls are. Concerning double-hit fouls, they are usually obvious based on how the CB moves. If your opponent doesn't understand this, you can suggest they watch the videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
Then, the next time you play, they might better understand and be more reasonable.
Although snooker/one pocket is second in line right behind billiards, one pocket/snooker and straight pool are next. Then 9-ball. Then 8-ball. Billiards is the bomb!
17:57 so If he has to get the 8 and an ball has block his cue ball and he jump shot it is not a faul????
... not under the WPA "official rules of pool". You are allowed to jump over obstacle balls on any shot, including the 8-ball.
Makes me wonder how often my buddies and I are fouling with double hits....but we don't have the slow-mo, knowledge, or sobriety to make those detections when we shoot in our pub. :) Those rail shots, though, really have me thinking!
You don't need slow-motion video to detect double hits, but you do need to know what to look for.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks to your video I started picking up on some double hits this weekend. I didn't call the other guy on it, though. He's having enough trouble maintaining his composure when I womp him repeatedly. If I tried to explain this to him he might start crying.
@@mojoxphotography You don’t need to explain it. Just tell h8m to watch the video. 🤓
I like how you explained the legitamite tournament rules. Unfortunately most people let half or 75% of these slide for casual play. Now if they were playing in a tournament, they would be f&*^ed. Myself included. But I know I'm terrible at pool and know my place. I just play for fun. Or in this case, "casual"
This is a super thorough video, great work!
Thanks. I’m glad you liked it.
Mohem you have to put something in a cushion after contact but it can be cue ball only
Thanks for this! super helpful
You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Some of these would only be called in a pro match. Most of the double hits aren't known by the general public. And the beginning 8-ball bank safety I've never seen people call that. Even if it technically is a foul. If it gets that many corners and the target ball then most consider it fine.
I remember some of this from Billards and Bowling camp back in 93, but this stuff is rarely enforced outside of official stuff. At the end of the day, all these were decided on at some point anyway. They may have well been different in a different world. Take a ball bounce out in golf. The same rule is opposite in baseball. If you clear the yellow line, it's a homerun regardless if it bounces off a fan's head and back in the field. But in golf you could sink from the tee and it bounce out. And yet the hole guard wasn't put there for any reason other than to catch the ball.
Fouls might not be called in some home pool rooms and bars, but they are certainly called in most leagues and tournaments (amateur or pro) and by any decent players who know the game.
Any BAC tournament, even in amateur uses these rules.
Another awesome video. Thanks
Never thought of blowing on a ball to avoid scratching, definitely gonna try it the next time a shoot a game with the dudes
It's illegal, but it is still fun.
Dr. Dave
1. Should the referee always wait for cue ball to stop before judging a failed snooker escape?
2. Can the referee himself touch the moving cue ball after the last object ball is potted?
Thanks!
Even though it might seem ridiculous, the proper answers are:
1. Yes
2. No
@@DrDaveBilliards I saw many referees touch the cue ball or announce the rack result or a foul while it is still in motion.
@@Busboo It is not proper, but I can understand the impatience with waiting for the CB to stop moving when it is totally obvious it won’t scratch or hit any other balls.
Dr. Dave, which rules are best for amateur tournaments at our country club? We have one individual and one partner tournament each winter.
I think everybody should use the WPA official rules of pool when they play pool. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
But many Americans in casual settings prefer "bar rules:"
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/bar-rules
Ever see Massey's side arm technique?
Massey video: ua-cam.com/video/4Ouh5J3k9tQ/v-deo.html
I have seen that. Thanks. FYI, other methods to prevent double hits are demonstrated in the videos linked in the bullet list near the bottom of the page here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
@@DrDaveBilliards : Thanks Dr. Dave. I hope you wont mind my asking you to judge another shot in one of Efren's games. The controversy occurs on the seven ball, near the end of the snippet, around minute 4.05:
ua-cam.com/video/DbRpK2mgPAY/v-deo.html
@@rogerscottcathey I don't think it was a double hit; but it is too close to call, even advancing the video forward frame by frame. In situations like this, where a foul is not obvious, the benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter.
Dr. Dave is hair fall on the ball a foul?
If the hair is attached to your body, yes (assuming you are playing under "All Ball Fouls" rules).
Amazing Video. Quick question. If i make an object ball in a pocket i didnt intend to or call, is that ball in hand for my opponent or just loss of turn or both?
Under standard 8-ball rules, that is just loss of turn (assuming you didn't also pocket a called ball).
Part starting at 2:03 was hilarious! Anyways, very important topic !
Double contact shots are my pet peeve. Sooo many people in my experience cant understand why it's a foul. On top of that it can change a game in a single shot. The shooter could have a straight angle and lots of clusters on the table, then the cue ball goes flying 60mph completing changing the layout on the table.
Once the board is disrupted what good is calling a foul at that point?
Looking at this video, I know my husband commits some fouls that I have seen here thanks!! I'll have to have him look at this video!
I hope he listens and watches the video. All pool players, especially in leagues, should be required to watch this video.
Very helpful video!!
Thanks. Please help spread the word. This is one very I wish every league player could be required to watch.
Great video even tho some of these rules don’t apply as I play 2 shot pool or world rules. Fouls including jumping the ball and touching by accident is a foul on purpose is loss of frame. Other than that pretty similar.
I'm not sure what "world rules" you are referring to. The "official rules of pool" are the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA) World Standardized Rules (WSR). They are used in international professional pool tournaments and are the basis of most league system rules. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Also known as English rules. Under wepf.
Hi I have a couple questions about 8 ball. Do you only put the cue ball behind the headstring when doing the break shot? For example if I have ball in hand after my opponent fouls I can put it anywhere on the table right? It doesn't have to be behind the headstring?
The CB goes behind the headstring only for the break and after a foul on the break shot. FYI, answers to all rules questions can be found in the videos, info, and links here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
1:58
Remember that one time O'Sullivan measured with his chalk?
Guess it wasn't pool. LOL
Lol I lost it when he blew on the cue ball 🤣
It actually worked better than I thought it would. That CB was moving fairly fast toward the pocket.
Next shot skid because of spit probably 🤣
great video! are the relevant rules the same for 9-ball?
Winston Double Yes, except for the 8-ball-specific stuff.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for putting this video together!
This will help me to either avoid or start barfights...depending on the size of my opponent! *joke*
Some guy I was playing tied himself up on his last shot. It was the cue ball, 8 inches, my ball, 8 inches, and the 8 ball, all on (near) the rail with the 8 just 2 inches from the pocket. The little bastard scoop jumped it and he and another idiot started cheering and high 5ing each other. He comes over to me... "Good game..." and I said, "Yeah, except that the shot you took was not legal." "That is not a legal jump shot." Actually, folks like that are too dumb to instruct, because they are not going to believe you anyway. Especially not in a hick bar setting.
Hello Dr. Dave. Your video helps me a lot. Thank you. I have a question about driving a ball to a cushion. Someone told me that if an object ball is ON(frozen) to a rail, that object ball became a part of the rail so that if another object ball hits that ball(frozen to a rail) it will be considered as hit a rail (legal shot). Is it true??
No. That is not true. Under standard WPA and CSI rules, after CB-OB contact, a ball (any ball) must be driven to a cushion (or pocketed). A ball already touching a cushion is not "driven to a cushion" and it is not considered "part of the cushion" (because it is not).
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for your quick reply!
@@kea888 You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
My opponent gave me a push shot foul on a shot where no objectball was in the near. Just because i played it with slow speed to hold position and for him, it looked like a push shot.
In my mind, it was legal because i felt no wrong stroke and even i pushed it, i don't think i could hold the speed.
It was just a shot in the middle pocket cueball 1 diamond away from rail and objectball about 1.5 diamonds away with a little angle. I accepted his call but for my mind it was a legal hit.
It is certainly possible to “push” a shot like this, but it is also easy to hit it without a push:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/push/
Thank you Dr. Dave :)
I was talking when the cue ball is frozen to my object ball
Me too. See:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/frozen/
1:26-1:29 The sctrach accures together with potting a ball. What happenes to that ball in case of:
1. It belongs to your type of balls.
2. Its your enemies
3. Or it doesnt matter you respott them back on the table?
Thanks! ❤
Under the WPA official rules of pool, it doesn’t matter. Pocketed balls are not spotted with a scratch.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks alot! ❤️ Bonus quastion (if you dont mind). Is there acctualy any situation when you respot The ball/-s.? (Us for example during the break [1:st hit in The match] and accedently pot The Black alone) cuz if you pot Black and White even during the first shot you lose {if i get it right}.
Thanks alot.
@@ivanjarlwallen2263 If you pocket the 8 on the break, you have the option to spot it or re-rack. FYI, all detailed rules (and concise summaries) can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Few questions, I'm aware below are all ball in hand fouls. However:
1. What happens to the ball pocketed if u pocket the ball on a foul?
2. What happens to the ball if u hit ur or the opponent's ball off the table?
3. What happens to the pocketed ball if u hit the opponents ball first and pocket ur ball?
FYI, you can look up answers to these and any rules questions via the links to the rule set of interest here:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Under WPA rules:
1. stays down
2. stays down
3. stays down
@@DrDaveBilliards thats how I've been playing but recently I've seen so many different rules pop up , somewhere I saw if u hit a ball off the table u have to put it back in the middle , so alot of confusing info out there
Thanks for all your great content
@@themohammadmolaei You’re welcome.
Nice tutorial.. thanks
Thank you, and you’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
Question for you that wasn't covered. This recently happened to me. I played a safe on my opponent in 9-Ball, leaving him no chance to make a good legal hit. Additionally, the lowest numbered ball (the 1 ball) was directly in-line with the 9-ball, which was 1 foot from a pocket...an easy combo with if I were to get ball in hand. Normally, an opponent that knows they wouldn't get a legal hit, resulting in ball-in-hand, would hit the cue ball into something to at least break up that combo opportunity. But because of the unique way the cue was hidden (opposite end of the table, surrounded by 3 other balls) it would have been near impossible, even with the most flamboyant push/foul. So instead, my opponent just shoots the 9-ball into the pocket with his cue. I have searched VNEA/BCA/APA/APP, etc... rules and have not found anything the covers this. To "me" this is borderline "unsportsmanlike conduct" and worthy of a forfeit of that particular game. No different really, that when you know your opponent is going to make an easy winning shot you left them and before they shoot, you grab the (9-ball) and just pocket it by hand, conceding the game. When I asked the tournament director, I was just told I get "ball-in-hand"..... thoughts/opinions/facts about this????
Under WPA, that would be an "unsportsmanlike conduct" foul, probably resulting in loss of game. If not, the 9-ball should be replaced where it was, and you should get ball in hand.
9:36
@DrDaveBilliards would it be still legal to execute this shot with one hand, the same way you hold it in this frame?
Yes, assuming you use a legal forward stroke and don't double-hit the ball.
Maybe you can help me with a rule and/or foul question. Recently in a small tournament, my opponent reached into a drop pocket and pulled out a previously pocketed object ball. He used the ball to check the clearance between two object balls on the table to see if the cue ball would fit through. I know your not allowed to do this but I don't know what the penalty is. Ball in hand? Dirty look? Slap on the wrist?
It is considered an unsportsmanlike conduct foul. In a refereed match, it could result in ball in hand or even loss of game, at the discretion of the referee.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks for he answer.
Hi Dr.Dave. apologies but I have another question which I hope you can resolve for us please?.
In 8-ball, once the groups are allocated, is it legal to play a cannon (or combination shot) so long as you hit your nominated ball first and pot a ball of the same group in the nominated pocket?. For example if I am stripes and cannon the 10 into the 13 and pot I pot the 13 into the called pocket does play continue or does play pass to your opponent?. We've read the WPA rules and we can't agree on whether or not this is permitted
All that matters is hitting a legal ball first and pocketing the called ball in the called pocket. Anything else goes. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Just to clarify: This is not about taking a dump in the lido.
Had a question for years, including in tournaments. If you have the last ball of your kind (solids/stripes), and you sink both that ball and the 8-ball, AND you call the entire shot including both balls, is this still legal? If so would it depend on whether the 8 ball goes in before or after the other?
The 8 must be pocketed with a final shot, and only after all of the "suite" balls have been pocketed on previous shots.
Rail after contact. Does it have to be the cue OR the ball you hit? or the cue and/or ANY other ball must hit the rail?
After CB-OB contact, either the CB or an OB must hit the rail. That is the only requirement. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Dr Dave. I have a have a question that I hope you can help me with please?. When racking does the apex ball or the 8 ball go on the foot spot?. And could you refer me to the set of rules please if that is possible?. Trying to settle a disagreement as to which is correct.
Thanks
The apex ball is always on the spot in 8-ball. In some 9-ball tournaments, the 9 is on the spot with the apex ball in front of the spot. For rules info and resources, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
and for 9-ball racking and breaking info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/9-ball/
Thanks very much for the clarification and the link Dr Dave. Much appreciate 👍
At 3:20 if you use left or right English during the shot would you double hit? I was taught if the balls are close or frozen to use left or right English to prevent the double hit, just wondering how accurate that is.
That can work, but it is certainly not a sure thing. For more info, see the videos dealing with how to avoid double hits in the bulleted list near the bottom of the first section here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
I have a combination question for bar pool LOL if I'm solids and I want to use a combination with a 8-ball in the middle is that okay like one ball - eight ball - three ball
All that matters is hitting one of your balls first and making the called ball. Anything else goes. For mor info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
Is it possible to show a closeup of a double-hit in slow-motion? Are double hits usually accidental or intentional?
You can find many slow-motion examples here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/double-hit/
They are usually accidental, but they are still illegal.