Ive never lost any sleep over it. And sometimes I chain it up the night before a trip, which means about 24 hours of compression. We'd have to do some scientific testing but my bet is that an extremely hard slam while wheeling is much worse than tying it down for a while.
Those quick links are underrated, maybe try a single length of 3/8s with hooks on either end. Out back, a chain with a grab hook on one end, a slip hook on the other would be better as well. If the tensioner on your setup slips, your jeep is comin off.
Ya, I get a lot of flack about it but works for me. I have since started using a pipe to get more leverage on the binders and I can get it really tight.
Not saying you are wrong by any means. The "Break over Boomers that you are using in the back can be very dangerous. When pushing them over with a lot of pull, they can come back on you and do a lot of damage. I haul equipment and drilling rigs for a living. Mostly oversized stuff. We use Ratchet Boomers because they eliminate the danger of being hurt. This came about company wide after a Break over Boomer came back and broke a drivers arm. The Ratchet Boomers are a little more expensive but it's hard to steer in the mud with a broken arm or busted face. Safe travels and happy muddin!
snap binders arent that dangerous. there is plenty of dumb fuck truck drivers out there. i honestly prefer ratchet binders but there's nothing wrong with a good snap binder. if you dont have a brain go haul van trailers.
I'm using some heavy duty chains I got from Home Depot. It seems to work good for my Jeep which is about 4,000lbs as well. I use my angle grinder to cut the chain.
As a noob when it comes to working on cars, and a first time jeep owner, Your channel is a great resource for information. I loved the tune up and air up/down videos. Can you recommend a channel where I could find cool videos like yours, but pertaining to a Grand Cherokee? (hint: Buy a grand cherokee)
Well its not helping but Ive never had a problem. there are two ways of thinking... some tie down to the axle to keep from compressing the suspension, some tie down to the frame to keep from body roll. I do both.
I was skeptical at first, but I like your system. I would have to do more research on those threaded connector links before I trust them, tho. They are probably pretty strong, I just have never researched them.
the threaded links are not leagal for your use. You should tie down on the axels. it gives you solid tention vs the frame mounting way allows movement in suspention. Plus i had a problem with my xj springs and shocks colapsing when i tied down to the frame.
Hey man I just picked a used car trailer and the trailer tire have some camber while hard turning on uneven terrain with a load. Is this “normal” for a tandem axle? Or are my axles bent? Otherwise the tire drive straight down the road with and without a load. Any help would be appreciated
please for the love of god do not chain down your trucks like this guy... you get pulled over by any kind of DOT with your vehicle strapped down like that you will be red carded and not allowed to go back on the road till you fix it
+georgewastaken first off you should tie down to the bed or frame of the trailer not to the bump rail at the front and snap binders and very very very frowned upon
Ditch the Quick Links...not good...Also should attach to the frame of the trailer for better strength. Something to consider may be to cross tie the vehicle front and back. This will ensure that you will control side to side movement. Just some observations you may want to consider.
Thanks again.. forgot to read the comments before the second Q.. I am moving in a couple days and was having trouble finding good tie down straps so kind of rushed.
However, I think your setup is perfecty safe as even your quick links are splitting the load on all corners and I imagine your entire Jeep is probably only in the 5,000 # range. I do like the use of chains, tho, as they are more durable than straps. However, in my case, if I get back into hauling my toys around, one of my toys is a Corvette and I would feel more comfortable using straps around that. ;) Just something I'll have to think about if the time comes.
Nice job very informative!! Now i know how to trailer my 13" lited chevy. Thanks!! Quick question. I dont have an e-brake could i just use a chain snatch like you had used in the rear?
I'm not saying what you're doing to tie down is wrong, but after a run in with the police, we only use grade 70 transport chain and components. If something ever goes wrong with those chain quick links on the highway, lives could be at risk... But I don't see that happening anytime soon unless they're dollar store ones!
I don’t know that I would chain down the frame isn’t that sprung weight? Bumps in the road compress the springs and will eventually cause the chain to snap. And replace those threaded links with a binder but the ratchet ones not the one you got on the back I see them on the road all the time broken
just got my trailer and have to put the fsj on to see if where it ends up being so weight is correct as to i can get correct angle on the straps using bumper or axles . will have too see
What type of chain are you using and what is the weight of your vehicle? I have a full size 84 6.2L diesel Blazer that weighs about 4000 lbs I believe. How can you cut the chain to size?
ya, I bought them in a pack of two, i believe they had one hook for each chain and I cut them to get four chains, two with hooks. The links I got from HD too but they are the weakest link. check out the comments for more talk about them.
Whats the cheapest 5.5 or 6" lift for an XJ? The rig im building will only be used a few times a year, so I dont want to sink a bunch of money into it.
5/16" G70 chaing is 4,700 WLL, 18,800 break 3/8" G70 chain is 6,600 WLL, 26,400 break lever load binder WLL 5.400, 16,200 break The numbers don't seem that far off, but I just don't trust Reese's rating as it is not very specific as to what they mean by "5,000 pounds". I also could not find a break rating for any of those style of links. If I set myself up with a similar system, I would probaly use G70 clevis slip hooks with latches on those D-rings. continued
There sure are a lot of safety police on the thread. We are not talking commercial transport here. Its just a guy with a toy. He's doing a better job than 90% of the rigs I see going down the road.
Is it bad for the suspension to be pulled down I usually strap the tire to my trailer with my atv on it I strap the the rear right and the front left tire in it doesn't move
@l337pwnage Great info, thank you! I was thinking of getting G70 type hooks as well but I also wanted to keep it cheap as well as simple. As it is, the setup i'm using is very cost effective compared to straps or any other method I can think of.
I guess a cheap way would be arcoss coil spacers and some bastard pack leaf springs. then you'll need new shocks and tires as well. probably an sye too, and a longer or adjustable track bar... well, I guess thats not quite cheap is it? There is no REAL cheap way to get that much lift and have it work properly too.
@bleepinjeep ohh ok,lol,but im not sure about them binders bein illegal in all states but im sure there illegal on the east coast,d.o.t told me there not safe...thats pretty much all i know for chaining stuff and i was also told you should have 4 tie downs on the axles but i've never been pulled over for not straping the axles down cause i useally strap the frame instead and we also have the same trucks,lol mines red and silver
Although it's good to have 4 winch points, it's not *unsafe* to have less than 4. For example, lots of towing companies throw a chain or 2 in the back, and winch the vehicle tight in the front. It is true that vehicles move around, but they won't move sideways. Although in reality, of you have a well maintained vehicle, it should be fine just with the parking brake. But if you have to trailer a vehicle, it's more than likely needing maintenence
just cant seem to get a good answer on how to tie down seem people just say what i feel comfortable with . either tie to axle or the bumpers . i havd fsj and 4 wheel leaf springs
@bleepinjeep I didn't expect to be looking stuff up ;) , but here is what I found. Most info is from U.S. Cargo Control. All measurments are pounds and inches. I found the Reese links, 5/16" (stock or opening?) 5,000 rating (WLL?) Other links I found: 3/8" stock, 1/2" opening SS T316 stainless quick links are 4,000 WLL, break? 5/16" stock, 3/8" opening SS T316 stainless quick links are 2,400 WLL, break? continued
@dkhill27 The ebrake I mentioned in the video was for the towing rig, but setting an ebrake and 4 wheel drive on both vehicles while loading and unloading would be a good idea! as to your question, just make sure you have 4 solid attachment points! And consider adding an ebrake for safety.
i understand the points everyone has made about the quick links but all this DOT stuff is a bit ridiculous the DOT says a lot of things that are said for legal reasons not necessarily logic, theres a lot of lawer talk not all of it is but its there
@NIGHTRIDER995 sorry, i replied with the wrong yt channel then deleted my comment and it deleted yours too i guess. please repost. I was trying to ask if you could give me some more information because i was not aware of that.
i dont intirely agree with the way you tie down your jeep , the snap binders dont get as tight as a a ratcheting binder and can be a major paint to get tight , but like you tip about the electric brake controller
I was thinking the same thing especially when he was tightening them and standing over the arm I was waiting for it to crack his ass those have been known to go thru peoples jaws when they slip out of thier hands
i bet you anything in the world that the best way to secure a vehicle is by every wheel and not by the bumper and rear axle witch every vehicle doesnt have
Mat I'm usually on board with all of you're videos, but on this one I have to disagree with your securment procedures. How you are tying your Jeep down is super unsafe. Those screw together links in the front are in no way capable of dealing with the weight of your rid in the event of an accident. I can promise you that if you ever got rear ended at anything more than a simple bump they would explode into pieces! I'm also not a fan of tying down to the axles. Some people are for it. Some are not, but the way I look at it is when a vehicle is delivered new on a auto carrier they are tied down to the tie downs built into the frame. I've never seen an auto carrier with straps, or chains on the axles.
new cars normally dont have straight axels unless a fullsize truck or jeep and ive seen strap on an auto carrier they do just fine even around the axles
Matt All kinds of things that can go wrong in this video. Please rethink most of the things that was done here, Hate to see someone with no experience get hurt from trying what you got away with. To many to list.
Wesley Redondo LOL, he must not had it adjusted right, the rear tires of his truck almost came off the ground....maybe if he didn't have those fucked-up shades on, he could have seen it "foot" was not screwed down close to the ground....SMFH
Never cross tie!!! If one side ever comes lose the tension of the opposite side will pull the vehicle crooked on the trailer in turn loosening that side as well then you have nothing holding that end of the vehicle!!
awful awful awful example DO NOT DO THIS. buy axle straps and run them around the axles. cross your straps in an "X" pattern doing your best to achieve 45 degrees of angle for each strap while trying to have a downward slope to the straps. the body roll from the jeep on the trailer is of no concern.
these aren't plastic toyota bumpers XJ offroad bumpers are heavy gauge steel and grade 8 bolted to the frame. In other words he is basically tying to the frame when he ties to the bumper ( which is not good as it is sprung weight) but not an underrated attachment point. XJ offroad bumpers are rated for recovery which is many times stronger than what is needed for towing or trailering!
I love how matter of fact u are back in the day😂😂😂
Those chain links aren't DOT approved for securing a vehicle. They can stretch over time so be careful
every time an angel gets their wings a clevis is made...err something like that.
Ive never lost any sleep over it. And sometimes I chain it up the night before a trip, which means about 24 hours of compression. We'd have to do some scientific testing but my bet is that an extremely hard slam while wheeling is much worse than tying it down for a while.
Those quick links are underrated, maybe try a single length of 3/8s with hooks on either end.
Out back, a chain with a grab hook on one end, a slip hook on the other would be better as well. If the tensioner on your setup slips, your jeep is comin off.
Ya, I get a lot of flack about it but works for me. I have since started using a pipe to get more leverage on the binders and I can get it really tight.
Sweet, glad you are here!
I cut the front fenders almost up to the crease. But I also narrowed the front end (dovetailed it) and am able to fit 36" tires.
Not saying you are wrong by any means. The "Break over Boomers that you are using in the back can be very dangerous. When pushing them over with a lot of pull, they can come back on you and do a lot of damage. I haul equipment and drilling rigs for a living. Mostly oversized stuff. We use Ratchet Boomers because they eliminate the danger of being hurt. This came about company wide after a Break over Boomer came back and broke a drivers arm. The Ratchet Boomers are a little more expensive but it's hard to steer in the mud with a broken arm or busted face. Safe travels and happy muddin!
snap binders arent that dangerous. there is plenty of dumb fuck truck drivers out there. i honestly prefer ratchet binders but there's nothing wrong with a good snap binder. if you dont have a brain go haul van trailers.
Guinelle1 Wow! What a profound statement. How ever will I match the wit of such a smart person as I am just a Dumb Fuck Truck Driver?
Yes
We are all human and even the best of us can have an offish day. Why not exercise safety. Everybody is entitled to a safe work environment.
I'm using some heavy duty chains I got from Home Depot. It seems to work good for my Jeep which is about 4,000lbs as well. I use my angle grinder to cut the chain.
As a noob when it comes to working on cars, and a first time jeep owner, Your channel is a great resource for information. I loved the tune up and air up/down videos. Can you recommend a channel where I could find cool videos like yours, but pertaining to a Grand Cherokee? (hint: Buy a grand cherokee)
Well its not helping but Ive never had a problem. there are two ways of thinking... some tie down to the axle to keep from compressing the suspension, some tie down to the frame to keep from body roll. I do both.
I was skeptical at first, but I like your system. I would have to do more research on those threaded connector links before I trust them, tho. They are probably pretty strong, I just have never researched them.
everything u did was wrong….
That looks good to me. With the chains and ratcheting winch she’s not goin any where. Well done as always sir!
the threaded links are not leagal for your use. You should tie down on the axels. it gives you solid tention vs the frame mounting way allows movement in suspention. Plus i had a problem with my xj springs and shocks colapsing when i tied down to the frame.
Hey man I just picked a used car trailer and the trailer tire have some camber while hard turning on uneven terrain with a load. Is this “normal” for a tandem axle? Or are my axles bent? Otherwise the tire drive straight down the road with and without a load. Any help would be appreciated
please for the love of god do not chain down your trucks like this guy... you get pulled over by any kind of DOT with your vehicle strapped down like that you will be red carded and not allowed to go back on the road till you fix it
+570scm What's wrong with it?
+georgewastaken first off you should tie down to the bed or frame of the trailer not to the bump rail at the front and snap binders and very very very frowned upon
+georgewastaken on the front chains you can not... i repeat CAN NOT use them screw together chainlinks!... they are not safe at all
@@570scm9 was gonna say that also, lever binders are legal but you need to secure the lever with tape or a zip tie to be dot legal
Ditch the Quick Links...not good...Also should attach to the frame of the trailer for better strength. Something to consider may be to cross tie the vehicle front and back. This will ensure that you will control side to side movement. Just some observations you may want to consider.
Thanks man.. all I have is a jigsaw and a hacksaw.. haha Did the hoks come attached already? Did you get the carabiners from home depot too?
Thanks again.. forgot to read the comments before the second Q.. I am moving in a couple days and was having trouble finding good tie down straps so kind of rushed.
However, I think your setup is perfecty safe as even your quick links are splitting the load on all corners and I imagine your entire Jeep is probably only in the 5,000 # range.
I do like the use of chains, tho, as they are more durable than straps.
However, in my case, if I get back into hauling my toys around, one of my toys is a Corvette and I would feel more comfortable using straps around that. ;)
Just something I'll have to think about if the time comes.
sick paint job on the trailer bro
A helpful video. Any harm in crossing the chains in a X pattern in front and back rather than rigging the way you show?
No
Crossover from opposite corner is what I prefer
thanks
Nice job very informative!! Now i know how to trailer my 13" lited chevy. Thanks!! Quick question. I dont have an e-brake could i just use a chain snatch like you had used in the rear?
I'm not saying what you're doing to tie down is wrong, but after a run in with the police, we only use grade 70 transport chain and components. If something ever goes wrong with those chain quick links on the highway, lives could be at risk... But I don't see that happening anytime soon unless they're dollar store ones!
wrong wrong wrong wrong, the front is not even DOT approve...
I don’t know that I would chain down the frame isn’t that sprung weight? Bumps in the road compress the springs and will eventually cause the chain to snap. And replace those threaded links with a binder but the ratchet ones not the one you got on the back I see them on the road all the time broken
I know you tow with a toyota now but what were you towing with back then 1/2 ton 3/4 ton ram? Also what motor trans combo
just got my trailer and have to put the fsj on to see if where it ends up being so weight is correct as to i can get correct angle on the straps using bumper or axles . will have too see
What type of chain are you using and what is the weight of your vehicle? I have a full size 84 6.2L diesel Blazer that weighs about 4000 lbs I believe. How can you cut the chain to size?
How much did you cut your fenders and what size tires? I just bought an XJ for mud racing
ya, I bought them in a pack of two, i believe they had one hook for each chain and I cut them to get four chains, two with hooks. The links I got from HD too but they are the weakest link. check out the comments for more talk about them.
Whats the cheapest 5.5 or 6" lift for an XJ? The rig im building will only be used a few times a year, so I dont want to sink a bunch of money into it.
anything from 16-20 feet will work. mine is right in the middle at 18'
very good vid,but them binders your used on the rear of the jeep are illegal...or atleast they are where i live,just a heads up so u dont get caught
I've watched videos that said you should cross chain. (left to Right, Right To left). Just so the object on a trailer won't slide around.
ugh.. please don't use those quick links
5/16" G70 chaing is 4,700 WLL, 18,800 break
3/8" G70 chain is 6,600 WLL, 26,400 break
lever load binder WLL 5.400, 16,200 break
The numbers don't seem that far off, but I just don't trust Reese's rating as it is not very specific as to what they mean by "5,000 pounds". I also could not find a break rating for any of those style of links. If I set myself up with a similar system, I would probaly use G70 clevis slip hooks with latches on those D-rings.
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There sure are a lot of safety police on the thread. We are not talking commercial transport here. Its just a guy with a toy. He's doing a better job than 90% of the rigs I see going down the road.
mrnetwurm a guy hauling a toy that could potentially kill a person
It’s a 4000lb load. Plenty secure in my eyes
A winch uses a brake to keep the line from free spooling, I wouldn't trust that to hold your jeep on there.
was it narrowed in this video? how much lift?
how long is your trailer bud?
Great video👍
OG video...
Is it bad for the suspension to be pulled down I usually strap the tire to my trailer with my atv on it I strap the the rear right and the front left tire in it doesn't move
OMG...this is the scariest thing I've ever seen! Who told you this or did you think of this on your own?
@l337pwnage Great info, thank you! I was thinking of getting G70 type hooks as well but I also wanted to keep it cheap as well as simple. As it is, the setup i'm using is very cost effective compared to straps or any other method I can think of.
i want to see some videos of you wheelin that cherokee!
What trailer tire pressure are you running.
Did you spoof this whole thing...
Call it how not to doit....
I guess a cheap way would be arcoss coil spacers and some bastard pack leaf springs. then you'll need new shocks and tires as well. probably an sye too, and a longer or adjustable track bar... well, I guess thats not quite cheap is it? There is no REAL cheap way to get that much lift and have it work properly too.
Good job!
@bleepinjeep ohh ok,lol,but im not sure about them binders bein illegal in all states but im sure there illegal on the east coast,d.o.t told me there not safe...thats pretty much all i know for chaining stuff and i was also told you should have 4 tie downs on the axles but i've never been pulled over for not straping the axles down cause i useally strap the frame instead and we also have the same trucks,lol mines red and silver
Although it's good to have 4 winch points, it's not *unsafe* to have less than 4. For example, lots of towing companies throw a chain or 2 in the back, and winch the vehicle tight in the front. It is true that vehicles move around, but they won't move sideways. Although in reality, of you have a well maintained vehicle, it should be fine just with the parking brake. But if you have to trailer a vehicle, it's more than likely needing maintenence
why not just chock the trailer so it holds so you don't have to use the clip on the break?
I like the powering of the trailer brakes. Thanks for posting
Good Video.
@l337pwnage ya, let me know what you find... they are reese quick links and rated for 5,000 lbs.
just cant seem to get a good answer on how to tie down seem people just say what i feel comfortable with . either tie to axle or the bumpers . i havd fsj and 4 wheel leaf springs
You need a securement devices at your four attachment points.
I never tiedown my truck I just use my e brake a put it in gear. I have never had it slide. And I have traveled more then an hour trip
@bleepinjeep I didn't expect to be looking stuff up ;) , but here is what I found. Most info is from U.S. Cargo Control. All measurments are pounds and inches.
I found the Reese links, 5/16" (stock or opening?) 5,000 rating (WLL?)
Other links I found:
3/8" stock, 1/2" opening SS T316 stainless quick links are 4,000 WLL, break?
5/16" stock, 3/8" opening SS T316 stainless quick links are 2,400 WLL, break?
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ya, there is no 1 right way... just a bunch of wrong ways.
yes, 5.5" RE longarm
@dkhill27 The ebrake I mentioned in the video was for the towing rig, but setting an ebrake and 4 wheel drive on both vehicles while loading and unloading would be a good idea! as to your question, just make sure you have 4 solid attachment points! And consider adding an ebrake for safety.
Don't do anything in this video!
why?
theres so much stress on the front 2 chains
King Beckz So? It's not breaking.
Ryan LeFevre once you go over bumps and the jeep starts moving they will snap.
King Beckz well if it kills someone its population reduction
Holy crap I’m trying to learn strapping a vehicle down and I even know this is wrong.
i understand the points everyone has made about the quick links but all this DOT stuff is a bit ridiculous the DOT says a lot of things that are said for legal reasons not necessarily logic, theres a lot of lawer talk not all of it is but its there
@NIGHTRIDER995 sorry, i replied with the wrong yt channel then deleted my comment and it deleted yours too i guess. please repost. I was trying to ask if you could give me some more information because i was not aware of that.
i dont intirely agree with the way you tie down your jeep , the snap binders dont get as tight as a a ratcheting binder and can be a major paint to get tight , but like you tip about the electric brake controller
What do you use for "Clips"? on the hand wench? Great vid thanks!!!!
you should always criss cross your chains to prevent side sway
Good enough, get it on the road. Or just tack weld some angle iron from the trailer to the rock rails to please the Legal Eagles.
there are a few out there. I have a hard time videoing myself so... Check out my other channel: Anythingmanly
you need to cross chain the back and front and stop using snap binders they will hurt you one day
I was thinking the same thing especially when he was tightening them and standing over the arm I was waiting for it to crack his ass those have been known to go thru peoples jaws when they slip out of thier hands
never have
i bet you anything in the world that the best way to secure a vehicle is by every wheel and not by the bumper and rear axle witch every vehicle doesnt have
the bumper on this jeep is attached to the frame well what there is of one on an xj
You could run the winch cable under the Trailer and hook it up to the rear bumper of the Crawler.
Mat I'm usually on board with all of you're videos, but on this one I have to disagree with your securment procedures. How you are tying your Jeep down is super unsafe. Those screw together links in the front are in no way capable of dealing with the weight of your rid in the event of an accident. I can promise you that if you ever got rear ended at anything more than a simple bump they would explode into pieces! I'm also not a fan of tying down to the axles. Some people are for it. Some are not, but the way I look at it is when a vehicle is delivered new on a auto carrier they are tied down to the tie downs built into the frame. I've never seen an auto carrier with straps, or chains on the axles.
new cars normally dont have straight axels unless a fullsize truck or jeep and ive seen strap on an auto carrier they do just fine even around the axles
Where are you located?
He lives in Tennessee, I do believe.
LOL!..... The comments on this video!
snap binders........really safe
y dont u have ramps?
More Macho
The guy that bought my Golf GTI just put the E brake on and didn't even tie it down...
Alan Ackaway I hope he didnt have far to go;)
BleepinJeep from my house in central RI to upstate Mass...
+Alan Ackaway just cause your a dumb fuck doesnt mean anybody else should do that
570scm I didn't. The guy that bought my car did.
+570scm You're a dumbass.
That's different than your other video..
thanks for watching!
(hint: buy a jeep cherokee) haha, thanks but no, it's just me out there
Ou can also use your winch as a point to connect to
Matt All kinds of things that can go wrong in this video. Please rethink most of the things that was done here, Hate to see someone with no experience get hurt from trying what you got away with. To many to list.
I've made an update since then.
no need
That was horrible tie down man. Four points mean four points on each axel, not wrap around on the front.
You talk and sound like Mr Rogers
LOL, he talked about the "foot" in the back of the trail, then he did even use it.....SMFH
he did use the foot
Wesley Redondo LOL, he must not had it adjusted right, the rear tires of his truck almost came off the ground....maybe if he didn't have those fucked-up shades on, he could have seen it "foot" was not screwed down close to the ground....SMFH
Ever try crossing your chains?
Never cross tie!!! If one side ever comes lose the tension of the opposite side will pull the vehicle crooked on the trailer in turn loosening that side as well then you have nothing holding that end of the vehicle!!
DONT DONT DO THIS
your really gonna delete my comment? lol
awful awful awful example
DO NOT DO THIS. buy axle straps and run them around the axles. cross your straps in an "X" pattern doing your best to achieve 45 degrees of angle for each strap while trying to have a downward slope to the straps. the body roll from the jeep on the trailer is of no concern.
is this video a joke? most sketchy strap down job ever
You never use the bumper to chain up you always attach the chains to the frame of a vehicle, this guy is doing it wrong!! I feel sorry for that Jeep
these aren't plastic toyota bumpers XJ offroad bumpers are heavy gauge steel and grade 8 bolted to the frame. In other words he is basically tying to the frame when he ties to the bumper ( which is not good as it is sprung weight) but not an underrated attachment point. XJ offroad bumpers are rated for recovery which is many times stronger than what is needed for towing or trailering!
Need to delete this vid