Is Limited Run Games Really Selling Burned Games?!
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- Limited Run Games has been known for doing small runs of games across different current generation consoles, however for a few years now they've been doing pressings of new AND old games for older consoles. These include the N64, NES, and for this specific example the 3DO. Although many people don't like the Limited Run Games pre-order structure, long wait times for shipping, or other policies, this situation with D: The Game for 3DO was the biggest surprise I've seen come from Limited Run Games. This begs the question: Is Limited Run Games really selling burned games?
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D for 3DO is a burned CDR, not a pressed disc:
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Yeah just burning some CD-Rs and slapping a nice cover on the box is not worth $60-$70 even more so when they don't work.
On a side note i have a old burner and CD-Rs if anyone wants to hit me up 😂
Shameful!
I really wanna see a new release for the PS2 and PS1 with original discs. But the fact that this company is doing this is honestly WILD. Thanks for warning us, Mario.
Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see proper pressings of PS1 or PS2 titles due to the extra protections needed, such as the wobble groove on the PS1. To my understanding PS1 production completely ceased many years ago, and the final PS1 pressings were being sold on Square-Enix's shop.
@@MrMario2011 I remember reading up about that a while back, if I remember correctly it was some Final Fantasy discs and they were silver as well. It's such a shame that we probably won't ever get to see brand new PS2 and PS1 discs like the Dreamcast has been getting.
And hey, while you're still here, you mind making any videos on Xbox 360 disc drive flashing? I've heard about some new methods come up where you only need your computer to flash them, although tutorials are hard to find.
@@MrMario2011
There is a user out there working on a crazy way to burn in the wobble onto CD-R and they have had some success. Looks promising 😁
it is pretty shocking and quite honestly embarrassing, i'd expect this from some ali express vendor
There's been a few over the years that I know of like Street Fighter 15th anniversary and Alpha Anthology collections, a lot of the SNK games and the first two Yakuza games.
A big problem with CD-Rs and other recordable discs (except M-Disc) is that the organic dyes used will deteriorate over time rendering the disc unusable. Pressed discs will last significantly longer if stored properly as, like the name suggests, are pressed pieces of plastic with the pits physically present in the plastic.
Absolutely true
I saw a report from the company stating that they are deeply sorry.
They explained that they are still pressed discs but using CD-R manufacturing processes - of course that's just marketing mumbo-jumbo as they went on to state that the reason was because they were having compatability issues with the 3DO with some of the manufacturers...
I highly doubt that, a pressed CD should work 100 times better than a CD-R...
The fact is though this was a big no no for them, they tried to pull a fast one and got caught out and now they are paying the price.
The only way to fix this is to issue out proper pressed discs to all those involved free of charge.
I would be pissed too if I paid that sort of money for a "professional" reprint of a game, just to find out that it was done in some dudes bedroom on an old PC that still had a working CD burner.
Absolutely, this was no accident. If anything the statement absolutely proves that they were aware these were not pressed discs.
Awesome that Twisted showed up in those online listings. That's a super fun game. Played it with friends 30 years ago and family just a year or so ago. What a mess about those CD-Rs.
Non-working CD-Rs at that!
Recently I modded a broken ps1 I bought, and fixed to read burned games.
I already have a modded ps2 with a large sata drive, but for nostalgia sake I wanted to play ps1 games on original hardware.
I picked up a spindle of cdr's and a usb dvd writer.
And man I wasn't ready for the rabbit hole I was about to go down.
Some copies worked(but with skipping audio and FMV's), or just didn't work at all. I did some researched and found that if you put the ps1 on its side it can read them better. After realizing that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I researched even further, and found that with a multimeter you can tune the ps1's laser to read burned games.
That's when I decided nobody has time for that when you already have a modded ps2 that can play backups from the hdd and nobody would be able to tell the difference.
It is a sham though tbh I had no clue discs were pressed until recently, I just thought every thing was burned.
High quality media, an older/nicer burner, and burning at a slow speed like 4X goes a long way for the PS1 😜
You forgot to mention that CD-Rs are also based on chemicals that degrade over time. A pressed CD can last forever, a CD-R can't.
Absolutely true.
Is that actually true? I have seen lots of ps1 and early pressed media deteriorating from age. After all it's just plastic.
@@freeziekatnot true.
Unfortunately not true, lots of early CD's are already suffering bit rot.
It's the metal coating that degrades or is eaten by fungus that causes bit rot.
I only like using them for switch games. I've only missed out one game I was looking for. Had to pay a premium for it. As usual there are folks who buy the limited runs and slap them on eBay with a premium shortly after.
The funniest part is if you look up the 3DO release of D on eBay, several of the expensive ones that have sold for $200+ are the LRG release 💀
Damn, Breach and Clear. You really were one of the early ones. I jumped in with Oddword: Strangers Wrath HD and then grabbed anything for Vita I thought looked cool from there. They were how I found out about Skyforce Anniversary, Organ Trail, Xenon Valkyrie+ and Salt and Sanctuary which all ended up becoming some of my favorite Vita games. I never had any issues with them until I got Demon Turf for Switch, I think it took them almost an entire year to get it to me which was ridiculous. I haven't bought any physical games from them since then. While I appreciate a lot of the stuff they get published/made like a lot of the classic game remasters, It's been hard seeing them get progressively worse about customer service over the years. I feel like for the people that are not constantly engaged in the unending cycle of video game industry drama, this was the misstep thatcs gonna turn a lot of people off of them.
Oddworld is a great series to jump in with, splurged on the LE of Munch's Oddysee for the Vita! Everyone complains about the wait times and... Yeah, even as someone who is patient, they've gotten SUPER dragged out. I like that they're no longer limited to 2000-5000 copies, but sometimes I forget I ordered a game until I get a shipping notification well over a year later.
Interesting and informative. I did not know this was happening and I've purchased maybe five or six games from Limited Run. Also, I want to comment on how much I like your style of video presentation. It's very refreshing to watch a video without any played out, overused or obnoxiously loud background music. And no unnecessary and annoying zoom ins and zoom outs for no reason. Keep up the good work. Your video on using a hard drive on the PS2 worked perfectly for me. Thank you!
Really appreciate it, thank you! I hope you have fun with your PS2 🙂
I've been hearing the rumors too. Glad to see you still constantly posting content! I been away from the console scene for way too long so its nice to see an og content.
-Caz ( i think i remember you posting xbox dash leak patch note info i gave out back in the day)
My apologies, but it doesn't seem to be jogging my memory. If you've got any references or links to what you might have shown before, that could help!
@@MrMario2011 haha no worries. i think i used the alias Cazmanian/Caz around that time on the XPG site.(used to post the M$ patch notes early)
I'd like a company to do something similar but not as limited. Like something that isn't for collectors but just for everyone
I believe the problem with that is actually stocking the games, which ones for which systems, and how long stock might be held for. So in that case the pre-order system works well enough since the company knows exactly how much to make due to demand.
@@MrMario2011 I guess Piko Interactive is kinda already that anyways
This is totally nuts from a recognizable company who was well respected by the community for releasing high-quality limited games, but it seems that 'quality' went over their heads. Hopefully, they listen to customer feedback and change that.
Yep, absolutely shocking. Would have expected this from a net new company, not an established one like LRG.
Is the tooling missing to stamp 3do encoded ?
Isn't pressing the discs supposed to be cheaper than burning? With pressing you can make them way faster, just needs more (and more costly) preparation before it happens. Burning is easier to get going for sure but even at blazing speeds, it's going at snails pace compared to pressing. Not sure how many they are making, but I think it's a relatively low number that you need to press for it to be worth it compared to burning (google gemini is says 100+ but it of course depends and nor sure how accurate that is).
Faster, probably not cheaper, but that shouldn't be an issue for a company like LRG unless it's a situation where a release barely sells. I know a few years ago that happened with one PC release where the game didn't sell well enough to make pressing a disc worth it, so they sent the packaging but the game itself was on a Steam key.
@@MrMario2011 yeah. I guess the most Important part is communicating what they are selling properly.
I have a real 3DO and it will absolutely refuse to read any burned CD-Rs no matter what speed it was burned, no matter what capacity the disc is 700mb / 650mb, and no matter what brand or who manufactured it. Some have suggested burning the CD-Rs using old hardware, I have 2x CD-ROM drives from the mid-nineties burn vintage blank discs and those still won't work. It's nothing wrong with the hardware, it's just a fussy system and some people get lucky and have systems that have no problem reading burned discs and others just don't.
Probably depends on who made the laser assembly for your 3DO. The system manufacturer might've even used laser assemblies from various manufacturers. Panasonic, Goldstar, Sanyo, Creative Labs and Samsung each made and marketed their own variations of 3DO systems. So each one of them is likely built differently.
It's a disappointing news nonetheless.
The know their target market audience, scalpers that will never open the box
I sold burned discs in the 90's so i basicly was way ahead of my time. :)
You made me laugh so hard on the end, thanks
I'm curious how much you paid for your burner back then?
@@MrMario2011 my first burner was around $600 and then the scsi hdd and card besides. This was around mid 90's.
Used it alot for PSX games.
Can you tell me what the difference between a "pressed disc" and a non one are?
Terminology should be pretty self-explanatory? Pressed discs are pressed in a factory, burned things are something you can make in your bedroom.
Burned Blu-Rays is easy to spot, because they often have a black layer which means they were burned and not pressed.
Mr. Mario FTW 👍💪 Definitely Amateur move selling burnt disc
They've since responded owning up to it and claiming they could not get the quality control down for pressed 3DO discs, so they went with CD-R burns. I'm just so perplexed by it.
Rather go flashcarts and ODEs for my retro gaming needs. Was going to be a matter of time that a company would try this!
I have a game boy card writer I wonder if they'll hire me to make their next release
Same, yo.
While it's upsetting that the game discs (CD soundtrack is professionally pressed) are burned, I'm probably more upset that Limited Run only made "D" available for the 3DO. "D" would have been a good starting point to remaster & re-release Kenji Eno's games physically for modern consoles. Either sold individually or in a collection set, "D" "D2" "Enemy Zero" "Trip'D" "Flopon Kun P!" "You, Me, & The Cubes" "Panic Restaurant (with original end credits)" "Short Warp", all need a new lease on life.
I believe that's part of why so many D fans bought this - show your support with your wallet and hope the money can help fund other endeavors such as ports to newer consoles.
Unfortunately any supporters got burned.
How long has this been going on?
Should I be popping my limited run first ever disc for ps5? I bought two of Cthulu does Christmas (or something, been a while since I bought them) and I played to completion one of them, and kept the other one sealed. Is my PS5 Cthulu disc gonna be on a CD-R?
Should I check by shoving Cthulu into a portable cd drive onto my laptop?
No
there are some technical issues for pro-CD that most of people dont know , the minimum ammount of copies you can make is 300 CDs, and for some press companies 500 CDs, so if you wanna make 100 copies or less it would be impossible to find any factory that can do that for you, you can ask your local band and they probably explain you this kind of issues.
I have no doubt about that, just like I have no doubt that LRG sold more than enough copies to press. You can see it in the fact that the included soundtrack was pressed, which makes this even more hilarious 🤣
Unless I missed something, Limited Games is just the front facing reseller/publisher but they always go through other third parties to make their products.
Limited doesn’t make anything other than final assembly and shipments.
So my guess … who ever they contracted to make the 3DO disc sucked and failed miserably and Limited has a big issue on their hands now due to poor quality control.
They've had quality control issues before - the Monkey Island Anthology that they sold for PC is complete junk because an installer file is missing for disc 1... oh, and it was ALSO burnt onto CD-Rs.
Limited Run have never puiblicly acknowledged either of these things, and instead have only dealt with them through hush-hush support tickets. Shady company run by shady people.
@@pausebreakreviews I'm not really defending them, just pointing out that it's not like the Limited Run crew is at home with a burner making this stuff. They hired someone to do it and that company produced crap.
Over the years I've had a few instances where discs had bad data or were missing files from big publishers and had to fill out mail in forms to get sent replacement CDs or Floppy Discs.
It happens. Not okay, but it happens.
Limited Run Games absolutely knew about this as they've now publicly released a statement about it. They claim with their testing that they could not get good results from pressed discs, but claim they got working results with CD-Rs.
LRG might not have been sitting at a desk with a burner, but they absolutely knew how the discs were being produced.
@@MrMario2011 Oh ya, they totally HAD to know. I think it was more hoping no one called them out on it because the "quality" was still good, and it worked. I'm like you, I have a lot of Limited Run games. Lots of carts for Switch but actually a whole pile of PS4 games too. Can't just burn those to a Blu-ray disc. So, I haven't run into an issue like this yet. Overall been happy with the quality.
They might have lived long enough to see themselves die the villain instead of the hero 😀
Right at 15:00, MrMario2011's boss gets tired and wants to take a nap.
She had to switch sides!
If Songbird can glass master their production runs there’s no reason LRG shouldn’t.
300% agree!
It’s good to see Mr. Mario.
can't wait to see the new wave of videos about them releasing clock tower on a $5 usb
Same
Same thing for Trip World DX
Ok you know what makes me laugh is the game is easy to pirate on your own why buy it and funniest thing only the 3do slim reads vcd and cdr disks not the fat 3do consoles
People out there wanted a nice collector's edition of one of their favorite games, expected it to be pressed onto something nicer than a CD-R, and also wanted to support projects like this to hopefully get more.
I get that but honestly
Lets be real, Limited Run have been greasy for a long while.
Not the good kind of grease either!
Limited run burned a lot of good will 🤣🤣. Nice pun 👍 I don’t get the collector’s edition thing anyway these are not originals and you can burn your own iso. More interesting would be a video on your Xbox 360 skills, burning for that system a bit of a lost art at his point
I have several videos covering that!
What's the difference between a pressed disc and CD-R? One is professionally made in a factory and the other is your uncles mix tape that he made in 2003 to play in his beemer.
Man, i want some burned 360 games now, i don't have a modded console
Skip the burning and jump straight to a RGH 😁
@@MrMario2011 honestly don't have the money, and want to keep my slim 360 legit
On top of that, it depends on the quality of the disk that they use. The best CD's to burn games is Memorax
Hell no, bring on that Taiyo Yuden goodness.
Companies are milking a dead cow with rhe CD-R's. But its cool to see some official revivals
It would be cooler if they were properly pressed!
@@MrMario2011 I fully agree. Pressed disc costs are very little compared to burning discs (time is money)
I heard verbatim discs are really good
True Verbatim discs are good, not the cheaper media with Verbatim labelling on it.
@@MrMario2011 oh there's a difference? so like the big 100-packs from walmart aren't legit?
Glad I've only ever bought switch cartridges from them and not discs
Looks like they made a tweet, an half assed one if you can call it that.
Yep! TL;DR being they couldn't get quality right for pressed discs, CD-Rs worked fine with their tests, but no other 3DO games have been pressed/burned, just D. All other 3DO titles are on hold for now until this is resolved, and they're offering full refunds to anyone impacted.
@@MrMario2011 They couldn't get quality right for pressed discs, so they threw quality out the door entirely by going with CD-Rs... what bonehead made that decision?
I would actually advise against using a Blu-Ray burner, burners these days that hook up to the SATA ports on your motherboard do not burn at slow enough speeds to create good burns on CD-R's
I use an external slim DVD burner to burn CD's because it can burn at low speeds that means my target platform for the CD will be able to read the CD properly.
I hope that the GBA carts they'll ship out for Shantae aren't gonna be produced cheaply.
Thankfully they can't burn a cartridge as easy as a CD!
Does that mean my physical copy of Streets of Rage 4 is faulty?
Is your copy of Streets of Rage 4 faulty?
@MrMario2011 It works just fine, but will the Game Card wear out or corrupt faster than any of my physical games on Nintendo Switch?
I thought most of the older systems didn't even have cd protection.
Sega cd and Neogeo cd could run from normal CD-r's without any mods..... so I figured 3do had no issue
That's correct, certain models of the 3DO don't read CD-Rs well though.
Nice dogo at 15:03
She's a pro.
Wow.
Has Limited Run Games responded yet?
They have! I'm paraphrasing, but in short they claimed that pressed discs they were trying to make did not have good results from their testing, yet they were able to have better results with CD-R.
This is the only game they have completed for the 3DO so far, no other 3DO games will be made until this is resolved, and they are offering full refunds.
I feel like limitedrun suffered from logistic issues ever since COVID. Switching suppliers, shipping services, and releasing very bizarrely niche games. The scope of LGR was to pick up physical editions for digital only games, now they widen too much
I agree with your last statement for sure, it just seems they strayed away from their original vision.
I wonder what mvg has to say about this as he works for them
Nice video! My thoughts as you requested:
I agree, and like to add: Limited Run is indeed massively different than a Dreamcast hobby market selling a CD-R! Most of those people are homebrew hobbyists and their customers are too, generally speaking.
It’s understandable considering their situation, from both the seller and the customer that the game would be a CD-R and not an official GD-ROM.
Limited Run however, is on the shelves at Best Buy. They’re full commercial retail. The standard of quality for their products should be higher, and customers that see their brand in a prominent store like Best Buy - whether they are buying online or on-site, WILL expect a legit CD-ROM.
Especially when it’s never disclosed before sale. That’s just plain deceptive.
Definitely have that expectation for a retail place like LRG! I'm unsure if you've followed the Dreamcast scene a ton, but many homebrew devs still manage to get their games pressed to CD!
Dang
Dang indeed.
No company should be selling a professional product on a burned disc. I hsve a Japanese 3do slim and it doesnt like some on cd-r
lots of systems lasers do not like cd-r's
Love your name
Thanks, MarioMania05
Pretty crazy stuff, I don't care or get collecting old media or media at all, hate it actually. Even though I'm not a collector of discs and old media I would never ever imagine someone who would order these games would pay the price or be happy with a burned disc.
Worst part was that it was never disclosed, can guarantee absolutely no one who bought the game expected to get CD-R discs.
@@MrMario2011 That's even worse. This is just straight-up false advertising in your face.
@MrMario2011 I can't even imagine a discussion taking place where someone says "let's just burn these and put nice labels on them" and no one saying what a horrible idea that is. It's actually more confusing than anything.
It's fraudulent, straight up. I feel bad for everyone who got burned 🚒
I would agree with you there.
Wow. 😂
they specifically admitted to selling cd-rs. even if they did work it would still be ridiculously overpriced. also please don't defend limited run games, this is why they get away with shit like this.
Not sure where I defended this practice? I was bringing up points that some people might bring up to claim it isn't a big deal.
@@MrMario2011you were defending them as a company.
Got a timestamp to that?
0:38 not even a minute into the video. @@MrMario2011
Saying that I've liked the company for the most part and that I've been a customer for years isn't me defending them, not sure what to tell you. If that's the logic, then is any place you do business with a place that you're defending simply for being a customer?
Timestamping my transparency is not the epic own you might think it is, especially since you're the only one liking your own comments here.
You know what the biggest take-away is from this fiasco? The people that buy from these guys are going to continue doing so. SMH
Here's a serious question. Is Ltd Run even licensing this stuff? Top to bottom via every rights holder?
WRT "sealed" collectors - just wait till these folks get older, there's huge money to be made in dementia treatment - invest now.
Limited Run does acquire the licenses to redistribute their releases, which is why it has taken them so long to acquire certain titles.
i always thought Limited Run was bs.
Goldstar 3do's don't play burnt cdrs. Im so glad I skipped this garbage. I almost bought it.
I've never liked the way this company does business. This doesn't surprise me even a little bit.
A burned CD will never will never be as easy for an old console to read as a pressed - likely lowering the life of the console drive.
A burned CD won't last as long as pressed.
A decent portion of my 15+ year old CD-Rs are trash with spots of clear plastic where media should be. Granted usually due to poor storage, but still. All my 15+ year old pressed CDs are fine.
For sure. Thankfully many of my CD-Rs are still going, but that's factually correct that they will be harder for a disc drive to read. Apparently several models of the 3DO do not like CD-Rs at all.
Somewhere in the middle of the aughts, I ran into tons of games/movies that would just not read (rip) properly. It got so annoying. The discs were new and pristine too, but they looked off, like they had kind of a rainbow sheen where it kind of looked like the metal foil wasn't well adhered to the plastic disc. So, yeah, you can't always trust a press either.
If the game was supplied with pressed discs the game would be so expensive nobody would buy it. CD-Rs are cheaper. Customers should have been asked or given the option to which they prefered.
That's absolutely incorrect, pressed discs aren't expensive enough to make a change in the price, especially since the price was originally set with the idea of pressed discs.
There should have never been an option because it should have been pressed since the beginning.
69... nice!
xDDD
LRG doing an awful job, what a news...
More at 5!
You're better looking than your avatar.
I'm in a better place now than I was when the avatar was made 😛
Whoa… got my attention with this one…
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