I was calling myself a photographer without knowing any of these info. That's why I was struggling a lot in post by using local settings in Lightroom to correct temperature on different parts of my image, and it's painful and time consuming. I really appreciate the awesome and useful video. It's full of information that is really necessary to anyone who is serious about photography.
Yeah man. You can create wonderful images without ever knowing this stuff. But this type of thing not only helps you realize your vision when your environment is less than ideal, but it's great for building consistency, decreasing post process time and therefore making more money!
Robert Hall Photography I fully agree with you! Thanks for the informative videos you make and keep it up. Looking forward to watching the following episodes about gels.
. . . "gels are propably the most underused tools in photography" -- very true. that´s because noone really knows when and how to use them - including myself -). I´d never thought about using them (talking about the corrections filters) because I thought I could fix it in post. Turned out to be quite difficult, so thank you for this series on videos you made on the topic. I´m glad you produce all this content on Godox products -- without it a lot of us Godox users would be kind of left hanging in the air. There isn´t much coming from the company itself, and the other channels I´ve found so far dealing with Godox aren´t as consistent and well done as yours. So thanks again! Greetings from Germany, Heiko.
I spent 40 years developing instructional materials on technical topics. Congratulations! This was clear and audience-centric. My next step would be to follow it up with a workshop in which people apply what they learned and get feedback on their work. You are a great communicator. If you have ever thought about hosting a workshop I have two words of advice, "Do it."
Just by chance i stumbled over one of tour videos with gels outside and immediatly felt it was the next step for me to learn om my road to master this art of ours and today i got them so this serie of videos was really helpfull thank you !!!
Great video! This is something I deal with daily in my real estate photography. Outdoor light flooding in the window combined with the light from incandescent bulbs in the interior fixtures.
Real estate has gotta be so rough. I can only imagine the overcast color coming in from outside combined with lights of all sorts of colors and tints. Do you find that people tend to have consistent color lighting throughout their homes or is that often screwed up?
@@robhallphoto I would say 90% of the homes I shoot have mixed lighting not to mention all the color casts you will get from painted walls or certain types of flooring. A lot of photographers like to turn off the inside lights to battle the mixed lighting but I feel that looks odd. When you go to look at a home to potentially buy you don't walk through the house with all the lights turned off! So I tend to adjust my shutter speeds to minimize ambient light and then use my AD200s to bounce light off the ceilings which are usually white in most homes to get the most accurate color. I just feel using flash in real estate looks so much better than ambient only or HDR.
Look at Rich Baum's channel on UA-cam. He uses flash and ambient blended light for real estate. Nathan Cool Pro also very good. Bit of post production involved but it works great.
Great video... You should mention the color meter built into almost all digital cameras, PRE white balance! In fact, use of PRE white balance with a grey or white card would make for an excellent stand alone video. Cheers!
Just getting into all this and this presentation helped me a lot. Its hard to get your head around at first but if you persevere it will all click the key is to practice. I set up a fluffy toy in the kitchen got some CTO & CTB and just cracked on with the help of you tubers like this. I set up my pixapro softbox/beauty dish with my Yongnou speedlight (not HSS) cut out some squared to cover the flash and then changed my WB to 2500 Kelvin and just dialled in settings that I felt happy with. It was fun to see how all this worked and I can see the potential for more creative photography once I purchase a decent flash. But for now Im still in the practice mode and getting it all into my brain.
I loved this video so much thank you Robert.. please keep making these videos for color temperature etc with gels, you really fueled my creativity with this!!!! Not only is it the best video on color temperature with or without flash that I've ever seen with your multiple pictures of different light color sources and what the camera settings did to those pictures, but it really gave me a new grasp point of view and perspective on color temperature and balancing lights sources that will take my photography and creativity to the next level. Thank you so much! You have a real knack for explaining things in a way that is easy to understand. This could be like many of Hollywood's best movies start out slow but then become awesome classics as time goes on and some of the most watched movies. So don't worry about the low view count..
I was following along and thinking 'how the heck...' when you rolled into the demonstration with the digital lights and the in-camera temperature adjustments to match each simulation. This video was great along with your other content, especially those that explain why you'd need a particular flash model. I plan on upgrading my Neewer 750II & TT560's to a GODOX V1 & two AD200's based on your videos & my own experience so far. Thanks for the help!
No problem. Yeah he's the only one in the biz doing it. What's nice is it's all the same gels across his Godox products too so it's very consistent if you use different types of lights.
at 1:29 of the video you show that there will be 3 videos on using gels. Can you please update the description with the names/links for those videos? I think I found the second one, titled Flash Photography tips for using colored effect gels. Hopefully that is the one as video #2.
Last month I got a Godox TT350 speedlight and I've been struggling with the white balance. If I take a picture of something dark or grey and bring the raw file into photoshop or DxO, I see that the proper white balance is around 8000k and -20 for the tint, that's a far cry from the 5500k that it's rated at. I've been getting a cool color cast when taking pictures outside when white balancing to 5500k. If I get a perfect gray or white, then the other colors end up looking warm in my factory calibrated monitor, although I guess that's how it's supposed to look like, I'm just not used to it.
Thanks a lot for this useful tutorial series about white balance, one of the more important topics of photography especially when using speedlights in my case, I`m looking forward for the upcoming parts.
Thanks Robert! I started following you because of your previous color correction video. Seeing this makes me happy and looking forward to the next two videos. I’ve been shooting with color correction gels a bit and what a difference they make.
8:03 "Afterwards it will show you the values and you can choose the appropriate gel from there." QUESTION for @Robhallphoto or anyone else: Do you know how to see these values on a Nikon Z? I can't see how to view the values of a custom WB other than importing an image to Lightroom.
Informative Robert. I have been using Rouge round Gels with the Godox H200R head which work well, the gels also have light loss printed on them too.I hope Godox improve and expand the AK-R1 Gels, but I guess it will take time.
Wow. Thank you for this advanced look at gels. I’m going have to watch a few more times to understand. I thought that shooting raw made setting in-camera white balance unnecessary. I hope in future videos you can address this. Much of the time I don’t use a flash but still run into how to manage white balance. I’ve always assumed that raw was the best way to shoot.
Shooting in raw does allow you to modify color. The problem is an image with split color. If you have half of an image lit by tungsten lighting and half by daylight, theres no white balance setting that will make both colors look normal. You could use the raw image to do local adjustments like brushing to potentially make it appear one color, but that's so much excess work when tossing a gel on your flash fixes it completely and looks more natural.
Your videos have been super helpful for figuring out how to use color corrective gels. In this video when you set your custom white balance your camera is giving you the kelvin and tint readings. I'm working with a Canon R6 and can't seem to find that info when I add an image for CWB. I'm wondering if this is a manufacturer difference or if I'm looking in the wrong place. Any idea?
magmods are so convenient! got myself two sets for my two speedlights, best investment so far (for accessories) :D still looking for something similarly simple for my strobe's head... so yeah same issue as you have with your ad200 :/
Nice video. You did a good job explaining something that I don't usually see people do. You can also check out Bobbi Lane who explains how to correct for two light sources in her book. I've always used a color meter. You can get a kenko color meter or an older minolta color meter. Sekonic makes a great one now but it is $1500 and might be a bit much for amateur photographers. Thanks again.
Verry good video! I am looking forward to video 2 and 3. When i shoot at sunrise/sunset i need add a CTO (Full CTO) and when i shoot in the city at night a CTB (Full CTB) is this correct?
Great information but is there anyway you could not put an ad in the middle of your video or at least not let it cut you off mid sentence. Your stuff is super informative and if you ever see deals on the evolve or ad200 let me know because I hate I missed that deal back in December.
Good job, we ll done! Have you considered a 4th video on the Illuminati light and color meter? For $299 at Adorama, it is an incredible tool for measuring color and the app will help you select the right gel. This makes color metering affordable. I use it and don’t want to miss it. Looking forward to your next videos in this series.
Yeah I checked it out at WPPI in 2018 but that was before they were available. I was actually in contact with them for a while but it dropped off before they ever started releasing them. I'll definitely check it out, I'd love to get more accurate color tests for my strobe comparisons too.
I think this is the first time that color measurements are affordable. The app has a library of most common filters. When you select some filters, the display will show you the color temperature of ambient, strobe and strobe + filter. This makes it real easy to select the right filter prior to installing it. Have fun with it.
Excellent video. I've been using the custom white balance on my Sony A1 wrong! I've been shooting the gray card with flash turned on (gelled or naked)and using that Kevin. Sounds like the objective is to measure ambient WB and then to gel to get as close as possible to that color temp which makes sense?
You got it! In the former way, you are getting a "middleground Kelvin". Basically the number if you were mixing light together in a bowl. Unfortunately the light doesn't mix, which results in the split color casts where either light source casts shadows. By identifying the ambient color and gelling your flash to that temp, where either light source hits as well as cast shadows will all be the same temperature.
@@robhallphoto thanks for the response! So realistically if most of us are traveling with just full / half / quarter CTO & CTB, how close do we need to get to ambient? Within several hundred K?
HI Rob, ask a silly question when using the kelvin in my camera the Kelvin reading is opposite the above graph, EG, 2500K on the back of the camera is blue:-(
That's because a camera is compensating for the color of light. 7000k is a blue light, meaning a camera needs it's 7000k to apply a lot of yellow to offset what is naturally occurring.
Thanks - this is really helpful for some events I’ve got coming up soon. I was wondering if it’s usually ok to trust auto WB when using CTO to balance colours in the room, and then edit the WB in Lightroom if it’s needed?
Thank you Robert. You explain the complexity of flash photography very well. Keep producing great videos and I'll keep liking them! Any experience with the Sony flash system HVL-F60RM and the FA-WRC1M transmitter?
Robert - thanks for the info, however I'm confused. Just watched a MagMod video with Trevor Dayley and re: the effect of color temps. he said the opposite of what this video states. Namely lowering the Kelvin setting in the camera to around 3200 will create a blue scene, while 10,000 Kelvin in the camera turns the scene a deep orange/yellow. Your color scale shows the higher the Kelvin temp the more blue the image. Am I misunderstanding something? Appreciate your feedback.
We're both right. My Kelvin scale shows the color of light at various temperatures, lower number is warmer/more yellow light. Higher number is cooler/more blue light. What the camera does to an image at those Kelvin settings is the opposite. It adds yellow at higher temperatures, to neutralize blue light. It adds blue at lower temperatures, to neutralize yellow light. So the cameras WB setting provides the opposite effect of the true color of light.
Great video, just in time and I just bought some gels, can you or do you have a tutorial for a proper way of using/connecting xpro markii with godox tt600? or something like that as I'm new to flash and triggers. You inspired me of buying both last week.
You say not to put gels on bare bulbs but I’ve seen you put gels directly on the AD200Pro ... can you clarify when it’s ok to apply directly to a bulb and when it’s not? Thanks.
In the video I say do not put gels on a flash tube. The flash tube (helical shaped bulb) of the AD200 barebulb is covered by glass, which is safe to put gels on since the glass does not get hot enough to burn a heat resistant gel. But an exposed flash tube (like a PCB Einstein if you remove the diffusion cover) should not be gelled or even touched. Just the oils from your hand can cause the bulb to explode once it gets hot.
@@robhallphoto Ahh ok. I don't think I've ever used strobes that have truly exposed bulbs, which is why I was a bit confused. Thanks for clearing that up!
Thanks for another great video. Does soft box or diffuser change the color temperature? If I use a large soft box over a gelled flash, is light going to maintain the color temperature?
All modifiers will warm or cool the flash a little bit, but not to the extent that it will offset your gel. At most it should deviate like 100K or so, and if it does more its due to aging of the materials or a really cheap softbox.
Not currently. They said they'd be adding them but yet to make any announcements. I've been using the kits from flashgels.com cause they are cut perfectly and accurate.
@@robhallphoto Thanks Robert, so if I understand correctly, YES but with third party gels from flashgels.com and not from Godox. If so, fine by me! I'll check flashgels.com
Great video, thanks for the info. I am going to ask a silly question? If going higher in temperature is cooler and low is warmer, when then it LR the temp is opposite as you go higher it is warmer?
Think of it like light color is the outdoor air and post production is a heating/cooling system. Proper white balance is just like a comfortable room. If the air is very cold, the furnace has to heat (add warmth) to even it out. And if the air is very warm the AC has to cool it to even out. The act of choosing your white balance (in camera or in post) is the method of compensating for the color of light. So in order to make blue light (let's say 9000k) white, you have to add lots of yellow. And to make yellow light white you have to add lots of blue. That's why it's represented in the inverse manner.
This is a great video..thanks so much. Question: How do I know, when I walk into a room, what kind of light im looking at? Many times its obvious but not always.
By "type" do you mean style of bulb? You can almost associate them with periods in time or type of building. A classic church is more likely to have incandescent bulbs or potentially replacement CFL bulbs whereas an older office will likely have florescent tubes behind diffusion panels. More modern interiors are using all sorts of configurations with LEDs. I really don't know how to explain how to know other than, knowing what each of the bulbs look like.
Hey Robert. After watching your video yesterday, I started to search for gels for my V860II and AD200. Just checked Magmod website and found out their new octabox (Magbox) which you can add gels to your light inside the softbox. It looks interesting. Have you ever used this softbox? Any thoughts? I'll appreciate if you can review it.
Hi Robert! have a question and I would really appreciate it if you could clarify it for me. If I am photographing in a very large indoor environment in which I must balance the ambient light with the flash light, but I have an extreme situation of lamps with lights at 2800 Kelvin and another at 7000 Kelvin, is it possible to balance these extremes using the CTO or CTB? Thank you for your attention! Thank you very much
If there's split color in the ambient light sources, the only way to eliminate it is if you can underexpose the dimmer one enough to eliminate its impact on the photos, and then gel your flash to the remaining light source. It also depends how isolated they are from one another. For instance if its can lights with alternating temperatures, there's really no eliminating that difference. But if you have ceiling light at 3200 but window light coming in and both bounce around, then the ambient white balance is probably somewhere in the middle.
Actually when you are talking of fire, blue is the hottest area and orange the area most oxygenated, thus coolest by far, but I got it anyway. Thank you for this video series!
Blue flame is the hottest (degrees) and most cool color Orange flame is the coldest (degrees) and most warm color. It's the same as how colors work on the Kelvin scale.
Kudos! Beautifully presented without a single wasted word!
This is gold. Understood all this stuff about gel and colour balance. Makes sense.
Robert Hall: you are one of the best instructors out there! Thanks for making your explanations concise and easy to grasp! We appreciate you.
I was calling myself a photographer without knowing any of these info. That's why I was struggling a lot in post by using local settings in Lightroom to correct temperature on different parts of my image, and it's painful and time consuming. I really appreciate the awesome and useful video. It's full of information that is really necessary to anyone who is serious about photography.
Yeah man. You can create wonderful images without ever knowing this stuff. But this type of thing not only helps you realize your vision when your environment is less than ideal, but it's great for building consistency, decreasing post process time and therefore making more money!
Robert Hall Photography I fully agree with you! Thanks for the informative videos you make and keep it up. Looking forward to watching the following episodes about gels.
One of the best gel explanation in UA-cam for sure!!!! Keep doing it like that 💪🏽🙌🏽🎉
I agree!
. . . "gels are propably the most underused tools in photography" -- very true. that´s because noone really knows when and how to use them - including myself -). I´d never thought about using them (talking about the corrections filters) because I thought I could fix it in post. Turned out to be quite difficult, so thank you for this series on videos you made on the topic. I´m glad you produce all this content on Godox products -- without it a lot of us Godox users would be kind of left hanging in the air. There isn´t much coming from the company itself, and the other channels I´ve found so far dealing with Godox aren´t as consistent and well done as yours. So thanks again! Greetings from Germany, Heiko.
I spent 40 years developing instructional materials on technical topics. Congratulations! This was clear and audience-centric. My next step would be to follow it up with a workshop in which people apply what they learned and get feedback on their work. You are a great communicator. If you have ever thought about hosting a workshop I have two words of advice, "Do it."
Just by chance i stumbled over one of tour videos with gels outside and immediatly felt it was the next step for me to learn om my road to master this art of ours and today i got them so this serie of videos was really helpfull thank you !!!
Excellent explanation and demonstration.
Great video! This is something I deal with daily in my real estate photography. Outdoor light flooding in the window combined with the light from incandescent bulbs in the interior fixtures.
Real estate has gotta be so rough. I can only imagine the overcast color coming in from outside combined with lights of all sorts of colors and tints. Do you find that people tend to have consistent color lighting throughout their homes or is that often screwed up?
@@robhallphoto I would say 90% of the homes I shoot have mixed lighting not to mention all the color casts you will get from painted walls or certain types of flooring. A lot of photographers like to turn off the inside lights to battle the mixed lighting but I feel that looks odd. When you go to look at a home to potentially buy you don't walk through the house with all the lights turned off! So I tend to adjust my shutter speeds to minimize ambient light and then use my AD200s to bounce light off the ceilings which are usually white in most homes to get the most accurate color. I just feel using flash in real estate looks so much better than ambient only or HDR.
Look at Rich Baum's channel on UA-cam. He uses flash and ambient blended light for real estate. Nathan Cool Pro also very good. Bit of post production involved but it works great.
Thank you for this! We had a discussion a few days ago on a photography FB group on this exact topic, so this video will confirm my point.
Thanks so much for this video! :) This is the best explanation I've come across so far - you make gels so much less scary. Thank you thank you!
Muchas gracias.
Thank you. This is the best explaination of how gels are used to the ordinary person like me to understand.
Great video... You should mention the color meter built into almost all digital cameras, PRE white balance! In fact, use of PRE white balance with a grey or white card would make for an excellent stand alone video. Cheers!
Just getting into all this and this presentation helped me a lot.
Its hard to get your head around at first but if you persevere it will all click the key is to practice. I set up a fluffy toy in the kitchen got some CTO & CTB and just cracked on with the help of you tubers like this. I set up my pixapro softbox/beauty dish with my Yongnou speedlight (not HSS) cut out some squared to cover the flash and then changed my WB to 2500 Kelvin and just dialled in settings that I felt happy with. It was fun to see how all this worked and I can see the potential for more creative photography once I purchase a decent flash.
But for now Im still in the practice mode and getting it all into my brain.
I love you dude, really2 love you, you made it all simple and easy to understand. Thank you so much!
Excellent, concise video. Thank you!
BEST Explanation of ALL videos. thank you.
YOU ARE AWESOME!!! Thank you, Robert! The ONLY one who delivers!
:) thank you!
Thank you!!!
This was, by far, the best video I've seen on this subject. Thanks Robert!
That's so encouraging to hear, thank you!
I loved this video so much thank you Robert.. please keep making these videos for color temperature etc with gels, you really fueled my creativity with this!!!! Not only is it the best video on color temperature with or without flash that I've ever seen with your multiple pictures of different light color sources and what the camera settings did to those pictures, but it really gave me a new grasp point of view and perspective on color temperature and balancing lights sources that will take my photography and creativity to the next level. Thank you so much! You have a real knack for explaining things in a way that is easy to understand.
This could be like many of Hollywood's best movies start out slow but then become awesome classics as time goes on and some of the most watched movies. So don't worry about the low view count..
I was following along and thinking 'how the heck...' when you rolled into the demonstration with the digital lights and the in-camera temperature adjustments to match each simulation. This video was great along with your other content, especially those that explain why you'd need a particular flash model. I plan on upgrading my Neewer 750II & TT560's to a GODOX V1 & two AD200's based on your videos & my own experience so far. Thanks for the help!
Thank you sooo much! For the first time I'm going to delve into using gels, you inspired me! Thank you!
@ 8:04 what did you mean when you said, you can choose the appropriate gel. It that what the B0.5 is?
You the BEST Rob. Really appreciate. Very informative presentation👐🏽👏🏽💪
One of the best, easy to understand, breakdowns of color temperature I’ve seen. Thanks!!!! This was really helpful.
Nice explanation 🙂
Great video. Looking forward to see how you tackle fluro. It does my head in a bit. 🤪
Thank you so much for mentioning flashgels.com- I've been looking for the longest time for pre-cut gels for my ad600 and ad200!
No problem. Yeah he's the only one in the biz doing it. What's nice is it's all the same gels across his Godox products too so it's very consistent if you use different types of lights.
Excellent video. Thank you.
I noticed your video on 2:47 had a warm tone instead of a blue cooler tone. Are they opposite on your camera?
Can you combine a color correction with a creative on one bulb?
at 1:29 of the video you show that there will be 3 videos on using gels. Can you please update the description with the names/links for those videos? I think I found the second one, titled Flash Photography tips for using colored effect gels. Hopefully that is the one as video #2.
Brilliant tools
I see Godox has wistro mini reflector with gels for AD200..not sure if this is a new launch:)
Last month I got a Godox TT350 speedlight and I've been struggling with the white balance. If I take a picture of something dark or grey and bring the raw file into photoshop or DxO, I see that the proper white balance is around 8000k and -20 for the tint, that's a far cry from the 5500k that it's rated at. I've been getting a cool color cast when taking pictures outside when white balancing to 5500k. If I get a perfect gray or white, then the other colors end up looking warm in my factory calibrated monitor, although I guess that's how it's supposed to look like, I'm just not used to it.
Thank you for your video of Gels! Based on your video, would I have to gel all lights or just the key and fill lights? Thank you. JP
Thanks a lot for this useful tutorial series about white balance, one of the more important topics of photography especially when using speedlights in my case, I`m looking forward for the upcoming parts.
Great presentation - You have an exceptional skill for explaining concepts with clarity. Subscribed.
very use full information Thank you so much
You're very welcome.
Thanks Robert this is very informative.
Got a MagMod base kit for Xmas.
They make gelling super quick. Awesome tool to have.
give him billion dollars for explaining so nicely best tutor and photographer :)
Very clear explanation, can't wait for the next video for this series
Nice video! I wait for the other two videos! This subject is so interesting for me ♥ love it! Sorry about my bad english, i speak spanish.
Thank you very much, your English is great!
Excellent video!
Thanks!
Excellent explanation! Thank you very much! I look forward to parts 2 and 3!
They are linked in the description ("Matching Fluorescent Lights with color correction gels" and "Inverse Color Effects with Color Correction Gels"
Thank you for this easy-to-follow video. I bought the Selens gel kit from Amazon 4 years ago and used them once because the colors were horrible! 😂
Thanks, really useful and nicely explained info. looking forward for the next two videos.
Thanks so much, ill have them both up in the following weeks
Thank you Robert. This video is very informative and easy to understand. I'm looking forward to seeing the others in the series.
Thank you so much. Informative video in very easy way
Thanks Robert! I started following you because of your previous color correction video. Seeing this makes me happy and looking forward to the next two videos. I’ve been shooting with color correction gels a bit and what a difference they make.
This video is excellent. Great explanation. Massive thanks!
8:03 "Afterwards it will show you the values and you can choose the appropriate gel from there." QUESTION for @Robhallphoto or anyone else: Do you know how to see these values on a Nikon Z? I can't see how to view the values of a custom WB other than importing an image to Lightroom.
Not positive if all cameras show you the temperature from a custom WB setting.
Informative Robert. I have been using Rouge round Gels with the Godox H200R head which work well, the gels also have light loss printed on them too.I hope Godox improve and expand the AK-R1 Gels, but I guess it will take time.
Wow. Thank you for this advanced look at gels. I’m going have to watch a few more times to understand. I thought that shooting raw made setting in-camera white balance unnecessary. I hope in future videos you can address this. Much of the time I don’t use a flash but still run into how to manage white balance. I’ve always assumed that raw was the best way to shoot.
Shooting in raw does allow you to modify color. The problem is an image with split color. If you have half of an image lit by tungsten lighting and half by daylight, theres no white balance setting that will make both colors look normal. You could use the raw image to do local adjustments like brushing to potentially make it appear one color, but that's so much excess work when tossing a gel on your flash fixes it completely and looks more natural.
Great 8 Thanks very much !!
Great series so far. Looking forward to the advanced gels tutorials.
There is still a 4th coming. But 2 follow up videos on gels are linked in the description.
Your videos have been super helpful for figuring out how to use color corrective gels. In this video when you set your custom white balance your camera is giving you the kelvin and tint readings. I'm working with a Canon R6 and can't seem to find that info when I add an image for CWB. I'm wondering if this is a manufacturer difference or if I'm looking in the wrong place. Any idea?
Excellent basic info!
An excellent demonstration of gels, thank you so much! Super easy and helpful.
magmods are so convenient! got myself two sets for my two speedlights, best investment so far (for accessories) :D
still looking for something similarly simple for my strobe's head... so yeah same issue as you have with your ad200 :/
Yeah nothing quick exists for the AD200 barebulb. Part of the reason I've switched to the round head.
Thanks for your detailed explanation:)
Nice video. You did a good job explaining something that I don't usually see people do. You can also check out Bobbi Lane who explains how to correct for two light sources in her book. I've always used a color meter. You can get a kenko color meter or an older minolta color meter. Sekonic makes a great one now but it is $1500 and might be a bit much for amateur photographers. Thanks again.
Yeah it seems the best present day budget option is the Illuminati. Even those older ones can be quite pricey. I really have to get something soon.
And this is the best video on youtube för this
Verry good video! I am looking forward to video 2 and 3. When i shoot at sunrise/sunset i need add a CTO (Full CTO) and when i shoot in the city at night a CTB (Full CTB) is this correct?
Thank u this is great!
Nice , very informative
Great information but is there anyway you could not put an ad in the middle of your video or at least not let it cut you off mid sentence. Your stuff is super informative and if you ever see deals on the evolve or ad200 let me know because I hate I missed that deal back in December.
Good job, we ll done! Have you considered a 4th video on the Illuminati light and color meter? For $299 at Adorama, it is an incredible tool for measuring color and the app will help you select the right gel. This makes color metering affordable. I use it and don’t want to miss it. Looking forward to your next videos in this series.
Yeah I checked it out at WPPI in 2018 but that was before they were available. I was actually in contact with them for a while but it dropped off before they ever started releasing them. I'll definitely check it out, I'd love to get more accurate color tests for my strobe comparisons too.
I think this is the first time that color measurements are affordable. The app has a library of most common filters. When you select some filters, the display will show you the color temperature of ambient, strobe and strobe + filter. This makes it real easy to select the right filter prior to installing it. Have fun with it.
Great video! Very helpful. 😁
Cheers. So are you.
Excellent video. I've been using the custom white balance on my Sony A1 wrong! I've been shooting the gray card with flash turned on (gelled or naked)and using that Kevin. Sounds like the objective is to measure ambient WB and then to gel to get as close as possible to that color temp which makes sense?
You got it!
In the former way, you are getting a "middleground Kelvin". Basically the number if you were mixing light together in a bowl. Unfortunately the light doesn't mix, which results in the split color casts where either light source casts shadows.
By identifying the ambient color and gelling your flash to that temp, where either light source hits as well as cast shadows will all be the same temperature.
@@robhallphoto thanks for the response! So realistically if most of us are traveling with just full / half / quarter CTO & CTB, how close do we need to get to ambient? Within several hundred K?
HI Rob, ask a silly question when using the kelvin in my camera the Kelvin reading is opposite the above graph, EG, 2500K on the back of the camera is blue:-(
That's because a camera is compensating for the color of light. 7000k is a blue light, meaning a camera needs it's 7000k to apply a lot of yellow to offset what is naturally occurring.
Thanks - this is really helpful for some events I’ve got coming up soon. I was wondering if it’s usually ok to trust auto WB when using CTO to balance colours in the room, and then edit the WB in Lightroom if it’s needed?
Thank you Robert. You explain the complexity of flash photography very well. Keep producing great videos and I'll keep liking them! Any experience with the Sony flash system HVL-F60RM and the FA-WRC1M transmitter?
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Thanks! This was a great video.
What light are you using to get the blue colored background?
Great vid.
This was very informative. Thank you
nice video. very helpful. from Cape Town, South Africa
Perfect! Thank you! 👍🏻
Hey, you mention not to put gels over exposed flash tubes. How then do you mount the gels for the AD200's bare bulb?
There is glass covering the flash tube on the AD200 barebulb, so nothing makes contact with the tube when you gel the barebulb.
@@robhallphoto Perfect, thanks for the reply!
Very informative. Thank you 👍🏻
Robert - thanks for the info, however I'm confused. Just watched a MagMod video with Trevor Dayley and re: the effect of color temps. he said the opposite of what this video states. Namely lowering the Kelvin setting in the camera to around 3200 will create a blue scene, while 10,000 Kelvin in the camera turns the scene a deep orange/yellow. Your color scale shows the higher the Kelvin temp the more blue the image. Am I misunderstanding something? Appreciate your feedback.
We're both right.
My Kelvin scale shows the color of light at various temperatures, lower number is warmer/more yellow light. Higher number is cooler/more blue light.
What the camera does to an image at those Kelvin settings is the opposite. It adds yellow at higher temperatures, to neutralize blue light. It adds blue at lower temperatures, to neutralize yellow light.
So the cameras WB setting provides the opposite effect of the true color of light.
@@robhallphoto Wow - thanks Robert. I've noticed this apparent discrepancy before, but not in back-to-back videos. Thanks for clearing that up.
Great video, just in time and I just bought some gels, can you or do you have a tutorial for a proper way of using/connecting xpro markii with godox tt600? or something like that as I'm new to flash and triggers. You inspired me of buying both last week.
No I've actually never had the TT600 to make a video with it. It's pretty similar to the V350 though if you want to watch that video.
Thanks for this! I’m pumped for the next two 🙂
You say not to put gels on bare bulbs but I’ve seen you put gels directly on the AD200Pro ... can you clarify when it’s ok to apply directly to a bulb and when it’s not? Thanks.
In the video I say do not put gels on a flash tube. The flash tube (helical shaped bulb) of the AD200 barebulb is covered by glass, which is safe to put gels on since the glass does not get hot enough to burn a heat resistant gel. But an exposed flash tube (like a PCB Einstein if you remove the diffusion cover) should not be gelled or even touched. Just the oils from your hand can cause the bulb to explode once it gets hot.
@@robhallphoto Ahh ok. I don't think I've ever used strobes that have truly exposed bulbs, which is why I was a bit confused. Thanks for clearing that up!
Thanks for another great video. Does soft box or diffuser change the color temperature? If I use a large soft box over a gelled flash, is light going to maintain the color temperature?
All modifiers will warm or cool the flash a little bit, but not to the extent that it will offset your gel. At most it should deviate like 100K or so, and if it does more its due to aging of the materials or a really cheap softbox.
Man thank you so much.. this is a gold knowledge!
No problem, glad you found it helpful!
Great video Robert! Quick question, are there more gels available for the AK-R1 H200R round head
Not currently. They said they'd be adding them but yet to make any announcements. I've been using the kits from flashgels.com cause they are cut perfectly and accurate.
@@robhallphoto Thanks Robert, so if I understand correctly, YES but with third party gels from flashgels.com and not from Godox. If so, fine by me! I'll check flashgels.com
Great video, thanks for the info. I am going to ask a silly question? If going higher in temperature is cooler and low is warmer, when then it LR the temp is opposite as you go higher it is warmer?
Think of it like light color is the outdoor air and post production is a heating/cooling system. Proper white balance is just like a comfortable room. If the air is very cold, the furnace has to heat (add warmth) to even it out. And if the air is very warm the AC has to cool it to even out.
The act of choosing your white balance (in camera or in post) is the method of compensating for the color of light. So in order to make blue light (let's say 9000k) white, you have to add lots of yellow. And to make yellow light white you have to add lots of blue. That's why it's represented in the inverse manner.
Thank you!!!@@robhallphoto
This is a great video..thanks so much. Question: How do I know, when I walk into a room, what kind of light im looking at? Many times its obvious but not always.
By "type" do you mean style of bulb? You can almost associate them with periods in time or type of building. A classic church is more likely to have incandescent bulbs or potentially replacement CFL bulbs whereas an older office will likely have florescent tubes behind diffusion panels. More modern interiors are using all sorts of configurations with LEDs. I really don't know how to explain how to know other than, knowing what each of the bulbs look like.
Hey Robert. After watching your video yesterday, I started to search for gels for my V860II and AD200. Just checked Magmod website and found out their new octabox (Magbox) which you can add gels to your light inside the softbox. It looks interesting. Have you ever used this softbox? Any thoughts? I'll appreciate if you can review it.
Hi Robert! have a question and I would really appreciate it if you could clarify it for me. If I am photographing in a very large indoor environment in which I must balance the ambient light with the flash light, but I have an extreme situation of lamps with lights at 2800 Kelvin and another at 7000 Kelvin, is it possible to balance these extremes using the CTO or CTB? Thank you for your attention! Thank you very much
If there's split color in the ambient light sources, the only way to eliminate it is if you can underexpose the dimmer one enough to eliminate its impact on the photos, and then gel your flash to the remaining light source.
It also depends how isolated they are from one another. For instance if its can lights with alternating temperatures, there's really no eliminating that difference. But if you have ceiling light at 3200 but window light coming in and both bounce around, then the ambient white balance is probably somewhere in the middle.
Thank you! Appreciate!
Thank you! :)
You're very welcome
Actually when you are talking of fire, blue is the hottest area and orange the area most oxygenated, thus coolest by far, but I got it anyway. Thank you for this video series!
Blue flame is the hottest (degrees) and most cool color
Orange flame is the coldest (degrees) and most warm color.
It's the same as how colors work on the Kelvin scale.
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