The CW Arrowverse Shows Were Never Good
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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In this video I discuss why I think the CW Arrowverse shows were never good and the issues I have with it. But I also give a few reasons to why I think these shows got as popular as they did and got such a loyal fanbase. - Розваги
Daredevil Solos the whole Arrowverse.
Althought really like Superman and Lois
Did my math wrong. 23, 45 minute long episodes is over 10 hours.
Leather jacket batgirl
Honestly I think season 1 and 2 of Arrow are the only really good seasons
GOOD VIDEOO
STILL BETTER THAN ANY CRINGEWORHTY CHILDISH COMEDY MCU SHOW #FACTS
Even Agents of Shield beats the entirely of the arrowverse by a huge fucking mile.
And I only just saw he first three seasons and I gotta say, this is has got to be the best thing I’ve ever seen in all of superhero television. Such an underrated masterpiece.
Personally I just like the overall story in Flash Seasons 1-2 and some of the execution. Whenever there's an episode that hits it does HIT but the filler kind of overshadows it
Flash season 1 was some of the best CW have ever had.
The only thing I know CW for are flash season 1-3 and Arrow season 2
@@joecroft4274 He's the dumbest man alive, not the fastest tho
The CGI looked cheap. If the show was made in nineties then I could look pass it. However in 2013, GOT got dragons that looked more realistic than Flash. So the technology existed back then.
@@sakshamrao6581 season 3 made me quit the verse
Madvocate explaining why The Flash is bad:
"Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk."
"There's no where to run!"
*villain runs away*
out running the fastest man alive
@@TexYT not just the fastest man alive. A man who can move from one end of the earth to another in a minute.
SHOT!
@@pradeepdungdung4379 bouta get my stomach pumped💀
@@TexYT so you know about Madvocate??
I really hope that Superman & Lois doesn’t go down with the CW.
Lol it won’t where already 2 almost 3 episodes in and all I have to say is Quality over Quantity
too late
@@adrianjames5970 as long as they keep her comic accurate the actress wants too change a few things about her.
Isn't Superman & Lois developed by HBO Max but aired on the CW due to its connection with the Arrowverse? That's what I was told and honestly it makes a lot of sense considering the writing and CGI on that show compared to everything else.
@@VisionsOfSpy it’s not a cw show it just airs on cw due to its connection and the crossover (crisis on infinite earth)
Stargirl and Superman & Lois are some of the best comic book shows. The sad thing is that people tend to avoid them after getting to know that they are on the CW. Stargirl is literally written by the creators of the character and comic book writers who have written the JSA for years. You should give it a chance.
Facts I love Stargirl one of my fav CB shows airing right now 🙌🏾 along with Superman and Lois
This comment low key called me out😭. I actually liked Stargirl but when season 2 came back I stopped watching the CW by then and I just felt like it wouldn’t be that good anymore but your comment convinced me I’ll go back and watch it and I’ll watch Superman and Lois too🙄
Stargirl and Superman and Lois are products of HBO but since both air on the CW people think it’s a product of The Cw
Stat Girl is super hot too. It's nice to see her in that suit
@@seanayenu7682 Stargirl is really good and I’m actually looking forward to the 3rd season not something I have done since they cancelled black lightning
Hello, Tex. I love the Arrowverse, even though, shows like - Batwoman, Supergirl and Naomi are largely disappointments. The rest of them, I love. Some of the shows get worse over time, but when you really take the time, to watch all the seasons of the respective shows, it gives you a full scope, of everything that they've done. The Flash season 1 and 2, along with Legends of Tomorrow season 1, Arrow Season 1 and 2, Superman and Lois and Stargirl, I think are top tier comic book shows. However, I understand if someone watched the bad part of those shows, but there is alot of good, with in that universe. So many episodes and seasons, the universe is still going as well, with no signs of stopping. Well, Terrance will be there for it all, as I've been there since Arrow Season 1 episode 1.
TERRANCE OUT
Yeah dude, Arrow season 1 and 2 and Flash season 1, are definitely top tier superhero shows for me.
And even though the show had overstayed it's welcome. I will be lying if I said I wasn't a bit emotional when Arrow ended.
Oliver Queen started it all by trying to save his city, and he ended it all by literally saving the Multiverse.
It was perfect.
@@kingkiller5325 I agree with you. Arrow is still my favourite CBM show. It has flaws and bad seasons but it doesn't wipe away the good storytelling of the few seasons that I would love to watch anytime.
@LaVerdadEsMuyCatólica that’s nothing compared to everything with supergirl
@Clifford Terrell I say this with all respect, I don't care what you think, human. Most of the individuals who watched the Arrowverse stuff, are not even real fans of DC, while not willing to be objective. Miss me with your silliness.
TERRANCE OUT
I have seen everything, the only respect I'm giving is Arrow and that supergirl season 6 finale
Superman and Lois is legit a great show and is probably the best and most mature thing they've ever made. Beats the other arrowverse shows easily and I'm surprised that not a lot of people really talking about it.
Wacks like CW arrowverse shows have dedicated fanbases who go crazy over the dumbest things they show. They just accept whatever is shown to them but unfortunately, comparatively, Superman and Lois isn't getting the same amount of love from fans.
“Most mature thing the’ve ever made”.. come
On. That’s a cap and u know it. Arrow Season 1-2 were their best mature thing
Probably the first season hiatus the cw did to Superman and Lois turned people off to the show cause they probably stared watching it like I did then Supergirl was ready to premiere and the cw Superman and Lois on hiatus to air supergirl and some of those people probably didn’t return to the show cause they probably forgot about it
Sorry but I have to disagree. I know they're mostly garbage now, but for what they were back in the early Arrow and Flash days they were fun to watch at the very least. Black Lightning was solid and Legends of Tomorrow knows it's stupid at this point and that's what makes it fun and I still watch it to this day. And of course Stargirl and S&L are good.
When they first premiered, they were pretty much the only superhero tv shows.
Nah you probaly haven’t seen a actual good tv show or don’t know how to critique tv shows quality, madovcate exposed the flash early seasons to show how inconsistent the wiring around Barry was, I like the early seasons and I can admit they were fun to watch but it was never good, so many inconsistencies has always been a cw problem
You should watch Gotham, the cgi holds up, and the story and character development is much more noticeably better than the cw shows. Not to mention gave us a badass Alfred and a perfect Joker
It sucks
@@abrielsmind4996 based on what?
You could say anything, it wouldn't matter because in terms of quality, it's better than the CW
Gotham is AWESOME one of the best shows ever
Gotham is perfect.
gotham was perfectly fine until season 4, i just found the league of shadows stuff to be uninteresting and a lot of the side characters were just becoming goofy beyond the point of likability
You should definitely make a video about the Netflix Marvel shows, more specifically Daredevil and The Punisher
Luke cage and Jessica Jones
Luke Cage and Iron First are the opposite of good.
@@jasontodd1226 yea and inhumans
Don't forget Hulu Marvel shows.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 No one watches them
Arrow season 1 and 2 would've definitely benefitted from being tv ma to fully delve into the darker moments it was trying to portray. They are a lot like Daredevil in that aspect aside from the filler episodes. They have dark and very nuanced villains much like Kingpin in season 1, and a hero that is willing to go far to stop the villain. I would've like to see Green Arrow do more with his bow rather than everything being neck snaps
One big problem is that even with low cg budget, they could do so much with what they have. Each episode is 45 mins. Most seasons are around 20 episodes. That’s an insane amount of time to adapt a ton of stories. They could adapt like 3 stories in one season, and blend it so that they don’t need to bring a new villain every week.
I could only wish the shows (mostly talking about animated shows) could have this much screen time.
They need to make more DCEU shows like Peacemaker.
The main problem with the Arrowverse is that the episodes are too long.
Arrow only needs 30 minutes and maybe a To Be Continued to catch the criminal(s). Flash and Supergirl don't need 45 minutes, which might be 3 to 4 days to catch the criminal(s). Two fifteen minute shorts per week and a To be Continued would greatly improve the CGI and actors performance.
15 min short might as well be UA-cam videos
Eh, I’m not sure if making them shorts are a better option. I know people say Flash and Supergirl should be winning easily in the first season, but the thing is fans make it sound more simple than it is. Sure there are some scenarios where they could be right, but I think dragging the villains of the week out for works for the most part. However, I do agree that it’s a big problem with the later seasons, especially with Cicada in Flash season 5. Man, how he keeps getting away baffles me!
The problem is length of episodes it’s the amount of episodes. No show these days with a over arcing story shouldn’t be any more than 15 episodes a season
@@adrianjames5970 I didn’t even mention supergirl😂😂but I’m not a big fan of that show either. I like Lena and Kara and Melissa is great as Kara IMO but everything else about the show sucks
@@jaxxpool9630 I watched CW Flash up to the Savitar arc. It makes no sense for the world's fastest man, who defeated other speedsters, who traveled through time, to have a hard time stopping and arresting non-speedster metas and normal guys with a gun.
The biggest problem (as with a lot of shows) is the number of episodes. Cut the number down to 13 or so and a lot of the issues with these shows will be fixed. The Story will get better, the CGI will improve (since there is a lot less VFX shots), and viewership will increase because of this. Look at any show *stares at Breaking Bad* that uses around 13 episodes and you will notice this.
My main problem with the flash (this is the cw show I watched the most) is that he didn’t use his powers correctly for example when fighting someone he’d run and stop even though even if wasn’t running his reaction would still be insane and would never get punched but he still somehow loses and if the show went by their own logic then most of the villains Barry fights wouldn’t even be a fight and Barry would win with no difficulty (Tho not against Thrawn)
I used to love these shows until it got too overwhelming to keep up, since they decided to add like 20,000 separate heroes to 50 different shows. I just didn’t have the time, and since the quality of writing dropped significantly, I just didn’t bother.
I think if they wouldn’t have added so many shows the others would’ve been a lot better. They did too much at once
Season 1 flash villains of the week did contribute to the storyline a lot lol like when Thawne helped him phase or when he beat that one dude with sonic Gauntlet’s or Snart and his partner
That bit at the end was great.
Dude, if we had a Flash show on HBO Max, that'd be amazing. Superman and Lois is already pretty great, if it had a better budget, it'd be up there with Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing imo.
"RUN, BARRY, RUN!!!"
"THINK, BARRY, THINK!!!"
I’d be curious as hell to hear what Tex thinks about Smallville. Since it was the show that preceded the whole Arrowverse.
Smallville is goat.
@@Spiderstan2000 I love Smallville too. Growing up with it it’ll always have a special place in my heart.
Plus it was pretty amazing for it’s time when it started.
@Lopez so 2000s
To think with what budget Smallville worked it was pretty fine. Lana Lang was annoying as fuck but when u concentrate on the other characters it’s a great show and especially season 4 to 7 and season 9-10
I was a bigger fan of the majority of the earlier seasons, and I can agree that the newer seasons of a lot of the older shows have gotten pretty bad. However, I honestly feel like I've invested too much time into this universe that if I just stop now before it ends then all of that time will have been a waste. And I mean, I probably would never have actually watched Superman and Lois or Stargirl if I never kept up with the shows which would be a big shame because both are great. Stargirl is a little cheesy due to it literally being a bunch of high school students either fighting other high school students or just fighting adults, but it's still great. So I'm more or less just going to see it through to the end (unless I die before it ends, in which case, nice knowing you, Tex).
Would love to see you review Stargirl. It is really different than the other CW shows, though that makes sense since it originally wasn't.
As for me, I was all in on the Arrowverse, at least in the beginning. Alays still liked Arrow decently enough, even though it did some big stupid stuff, and Flash was decent outside of its main vallains, most seasons. What killed it for me, besides them ending Arrow was all the political and social commentary. Not saying I'd ever agree with most of the political views of the writers, but they just did it so badly. Like it'd just take you out of watever stroy was going on at the time.
I've heard talks of some continuation projects and if those do come about, I'll likely watch them, but besides that, the universe is dead to me.
I'd say I had the same mindset as your friend. I was hyped when I discovered Arrow because the character only ever had appearances in DC animated movies/shows and while I love them I longed to see the Green Arrow appear in a live action feature. When it did, I was in. I fell off the show, not because of time, but like you mentioned, realized it was more of a melodrama soap opera rather than an actual story about the hero itself.
Same goes for Flash, before the show, his live action appearances were scarce and not so well done in my opinion. Slightly before they announced the show, I was in some sort of "Flash craze" where I was interested in the hero and its power and was reading a lot on him. I was in because of that. What made me leave the show (I think it was season 4 with the brain dude) was the number of episodes, the anecdotal "freak of the week" villains and very cheap budget, I mean Savitar (season 3) had like just a few running animations that were constantly being reused and his normal appearance was, and I'm not joking, some sort of plastic-cardboard costume
Have u ever read the comics. There was a lot of melodramatic soap opera stuff in it. And it’s on THE CW! Which is known for teen soaps.
Nice Madvocate reference near the end
what do you think of the netflix marvel shows tex?
What’s your opinion of Legends of Tomorrow. That’s the only one I watch anymore.
I got the first four seasons of the flash to rewatch the show. I couldn't finish season 2.
For Arrow I was a fan until S5, then I stopped watching because real life caught up with me. Same with The Flash, except in that case it was s4. Legends of Tomorrow I stopped watching halfway through S3 because it was getting just too crazy. Never got into the others.
dunno if this is a valid reason for never bothering with Legends of Tomorrow, but one day I remember catching one episode on tv. they had time travelled to the 80s, and one of the male characters (I don't remember any of the names, sorry) suggested to one of the female members of the group that she should perhaps wear an 80s style blazer, of the ones with padded shoulders. she then went on a rant about how those types of clothes only existed so that women could look "masculine". I changed the channel and never looked back.
@@sunsetman22 that "rant" was one line of of dialogue followed by Nate going "it's good to have optimism" and then they totally moved on. You're exaggerating what was just a normal conversation, it wasn't at all what you're saying it was. Also the female character was from 1942 so the 80s was the future for her, and she was bummed to see how things have progressed. Not some random pointless rant about the past, a one-off comment that anyone in her shoes would make when learning disappointing news about the future
Tex, I want to hear your opinion on Smallville.
I love the cw arrowverse shows and I still watch them because there are good parts about It. I think something that would get rid of most of the problems would be the amount of episodes, there’s a reason why shows like daredevil are so much better. They have less episodes, if the flash had less episodes they wouldn’t need a lot of filler which would solve a huge problem and since the budget will stay the same it will make the cgi better since there’s less episodes and on top of all that the writers won’t be very stressed because they won’t have to write as much as before, so this would mean the quality of writing would increase. In the flash season 8 there was a lot of good parts so I think with less episodes that would solve alot of problems (potentially)
Like Legends. Only 13 to 16 episodes
Once the Arrowverse actually started to have competition, they were immedietely blown outta the water. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Daredevil singlehandedly put the entire Arrowverse to shame. Not to mention the later DC shows like Doom Patrol.
I like your videos, Tex. Subscribed👍
Even as someone who liked the arrowverse I agree. I think what made the arrow verse so special for me at the time was it was one of the first networks really attempting to have a shared universe on the big screen. But then Daredevil happened and it blew everything out the water lol. As a former fan I really do like a lot of the ideas the arrowverse have but even after all these years it really seems like the cw doesn't understand that just having 13 episodes on these shows and not streching out the runtime would do them so much good.
Smallville is the DC series that Truly paved the way for the Arrowverse. It's why there have been specific moments in crossovers like elseworlds such as using the Kent farm set and playing the "Save Me" theme song as ways to honor the show. It was the Godfather of the modern DC shows especially ones on the CW. It wasn't perfect but still an incredible show. One that I grew up with and made me love the character of Superman and the DC world as a whole.
I haven’t ever heard your opinion on the Netflix marvel verse. Do you like it?
i’m still an arrowverse fan, though i’ve dropped some shows and am either not watching them or slowly getting through em. like supergirl. i watched the first few episodes of season 6, and then dropped it for awhile as it’s a literal trainwreck. i watched naomi’s first episode and thought it was super boring so i dropped that. batwoman is a slog to get through, usually just watch it when i want to turn off my brain. legends is ok, but they’re going the doom patrol route and making everything meta and a little too jokey. flash the past 4 seasons was AWFUL, but season 8 so far has been fantastic, a big return to form i think. superman and lois is definitely my favorite show of them all, feels much more like a superhero show, since there’s no huge team where everyone has powers, i.e. no “Team Superman”. i was caught up on everything pre-crisis, but ever since COIE, it’s like the quality on most of the arrowverse shows took a nosedive. like they had this whole event “destroying” the multiverse to put supergirl and black lightning on earth-prime, but then they went and canceled both of their shows, so what was the point of it? feels like there’s little to no stakes now in the current arrowverse lol
I thought the Supergirl Actress wanted out of the show coz of her baby ?
Do you have an opinion on Gotham?
Arrow had its flaws but when u complete all 8 seasons it was one of the greatest journeys to follow!
You should watch Madvocate's videos on The Flash. They are gold on how convoluted the logic is
I would pick the dceu over the arrowverse anytime
Could you do a video series on the Netflix shows?
Have you seen the madvocate flash videos
completely agree with your friend, i liked the early seasons of arrow and the flash because there weren't many other forms of media for those characters at the time. i personally really like season 1 of arrow, although i do skip some of the fillers
Arrow Season 1 and 2, Flash Season 1 were my favorites. Everything after started to really suck. Bloated teams, overly important love interests, bad writing.
I became a fan of the arrowverse shows after the flash started (I only watched a little bit of arrow) and that was the one that I kept up with the most. I did eventually move over to certain shows like arrow, but never fully committed to watching them and I was pretty much slowing down how much of the flash that I watched after season 5 or 6.
Tbh I can't even watch a full season or episode on Netflix without skipping to an episode/fight that I really enjoyed (I'll also just randomly look up clips and watch them on UA-cam).
Edit: Like a lot of people have already said, Superman and Lois is the exception and maybe stargirl, but I haven't watched it.
I watched the Flask until season 5. I checked in during the first half of season 6, pretty good, and I watch the crossovers but apart from that it dropped completely and I never watched the other shows.
I used to love the Arrowverse but now I'm getting tired of it and it honestly getting worse overtime that all I want is to end it all because let's face it Crisis should have ended and it was a terrible Crossover that it was the last straw,CW deserves what's about to happen.
I think it’s tiring coz there are too many shows. If they would’ve concentrated on Arrow/Flash/Legends and MAYBE Supergirl it would’ve worked out much better. But to add 2-3 more shows? Bruh who has the time to watch like 6 shows? 🤣
I agree with some of your points, and I really appreciate that you werent one of those idiots who tried to claim these shows were *objectively* bad, because objective quality is a myth. I’ll also readily admit that there’s been some truly awful stuff in these shows. Most of them are riddled with flaws. And yet, I find myself enjoying them more than I currently am the marvel cinematic universe. I love these shows, in part *because* of their flaws, because it makes them feel less like a machine put them out the way big-budget films with similar characters do these days. These shows aren’t created by committee and pushed out for global appeal, and I love that about them. And yeah, some of them are a joy to watch for me-Batwoman and Superman & Lois are currently some of my favorite shows airing. A story doesn’t have to be perfect for us to love it, and someone else not understanding why I might love Batwoman doesn’t mean I’m wrong to love that show anymore than me hating Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool films means there isn’t a legion of fans begging for more. We don’t have to love the things someone else loves, but we should respect that they love it and not try to prove them “wrong” somehow.
I enjoyed Season 3 of Batwoman and Alice is a great character
Season 1 flash was really good and I liked. How much of a menace reverse flash was and arrow season 1 was great
Tried watching the entire Arrowverse a couple years ago, and it took me an entire year to get to the point in the chronological order of the first season of Black Lightning. The filler was the main issue for me and I could never pick up the show after skipping a lot of the Arrowverse for Crisis on Infinite Earths, which even then was mediocre and disappointing.
I used to like series like Arrow and The Flash. Then I saw Daredevil.....
At the time Arrow Season 1 and 2 and Flash season 1 and 2 were great. But then shows like Daredevil came out and set the bar higher then any series out there. It was the breaking bad of superhero television and after it came out small cracks became ravines of problems.
It’s too long
Story is mediocre
Bad CGI or fight scenes
So much filler
Horrible horrible show runners(I mean the new show runner literally threatened to make more seasons of the flash after the backlash of season 7…yikes)
As for recently HBO has done a great job at reinventing the arrow verse. S&L and Stargirl while aren’t Daredevil level are great in their own right. They fix all the problems mentioned above and I genuinely get excited when they come on every week. So hopefully HBO buys the CW and they can build a new and better universe in the coming years. But only time will tell.
Great video! :)
8:05 - 8:07 - I see you've watched Madvocate's videos breaking down the Flash fight scenes?
It's one of those things like Titans were it has potential and is good at times, but keeps disappointing me to the point where I give up on it entirely
Nothing can beat DareDevil
I got a Madvocate recommendation because of this Video nice... Imma watch it again!
So we all know how you feel about the CW shows, is there a chance we'll see videos about the DCAU and the Marvel Netflix Universe next?
just got too say i like legends of tomorrow trying season 5 now but finding it hard too want too get through the first 3 episodes due too the unbelievability of the aliens
On the topic of The Flash being like a soap opera, it felt like every couple of episodes at least in the first two seasons, Barry would say to Joe West that he isn't his father, or Team Flash have some fight for no reason.
I love arrow and the flash seasons 1-2 but you are right about the seasons being too long and having random filler content. I gave up on all the cw shows 3 years ago.
I feel the same way, was done after season 2
I agree that the seasons are way too long but I do love the first two seasons of the flash and I love Arrow with the exception of season 4 and 6, legends of tomorrow was good for the first three seasons and I don't care about supergirl, but it's nice to see another opinion even if it's pretty close to yours.
That ending at this video got me.
I couldn't tell whether it was a clickbait title or your actual opinion until I realized, there were no quotes
Im still a fan andd am currently watching...
im sorry
I’m one of them people who are obsessed with Arrowverse. I have seen all shows up until Superman and Lois. Currently rewatching it all up until Superman and Lois. On Arrow S1
I heavily disagree. The CW was AMAZING in 2012-2014. Arrow’s early days are the DC version of Daredevil to that fanbase to me.
BRUH BLACK LIGHTNING WAS ⚡️⚡️⚡️10/10 #FACTS
I was literally just about to watch legends of tomorrow and then this video caught my attention
First 2 seasons of arrow are awesome I think if I rewatched early episodes of the flash id probs hate it nowadays and seasons 2-4 of legends are always fun
I liked the first seasons of Arrow and Flash, and didn't mind watching Supergirl because of the crossovers, as well as Legends. What I liked most was that they were the only DC with a connected universe that was also expanding and adding old universes, like 90s Flash, Smallville, 2005 Superman, and all the other small ones like Constantine. Watching the last seasons was difficult because they were trash, but I had put so much time to it that I felt that if I didn't end the story it would have been in vain. I left the Arrowverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths. I would have love a good Suicide Squad and Justice League in the Universe.
Off topic but when are u going to review Scream 5? My movie?
I plan to, but not until I either see it again, or it releases digitally or physically. I wanna dive into the spoilers and easter eggs
@@TexYT hmm, that makes sense. What’s ur favorite scary movie?????
@@HorrorCritical Scream
@@TexYT nice choice
I 100% agree with you on this and I never gave a single shit about this channel
I hear what your saying but I would have to disagree but I respect your opinion
The cgi never really bothered me to much and neither did the fight scenes or the costumes and I found some of the filler fun some of it boring I liked the villain of the week idea but I feel like it would work better with 10 to 13 episodes
Admittedly, I did find the CGI in the Arrowverse passable for television. I mostly referred to it as "TV budget" effects.
CW DC shows for me are very dragging. The story mostly started really good but then sinking slowly like Titanic. Like you said, too much fillers. Should've been made like 10 or 12 episodes per season instead of 22 or 23. Making it more compact & more focused, thus the story could've been more engaging.
I overall enjoyed the first couple seasons of flash. After a while they introduced too many side characters. The got more boring and boring
I love how infamous "There's Nowhere to Run" has become amongst The. Flash critiques😂😂😂
Legends S1 & 2 are the only rewatchable seasons of the Arrowverse. Now that DC are trying their hand at Superhero shows even in the DCEU I've found myself either waying HBO Max DC shows like Doom Patrol or Titans.
Flash doesnt really do season long stories any more only arcs and interludes
The thing is people started watching these shows when they were teenagers and didn’t realize how bad they were until they grew up, but still had the fond memories of watching the earlier seasons.
I was 21-22 when Arrow started lmao those are comic heroes. What did people expect? It has been the adult power rangers from the beginning
Okay?
The crossover episodes are really good tho
You hit the nail on the head with this one. I began to notice how terrible the writing, storylines, villains, and filler episodes there were until I was well into season 5 of Arrow and like season 4 of Flash. I was turned off at the melodramatic scenes and it’s characters. Then it’s this narrative that everybody shared: “I lied to protect you” mess.. it got tiring at that point. However I thought the crossovers were cool until they tried to do Crisis on Infinite Earths WITHOUT Batman, Wonder Woman and the main Justice League characters. It was cringy to watch ESPECIALLY when some of the storylines didn’t add up to the comic books. And I think that’s what most of us wanted to see at least.
Sn: we were robbed of an Oliver and Laurel relationship. They got Barry and Iris right but dang…. I’m just saying lol
At one point I was trying to watch everyone of the shows just for crossovers and crap like that. But there was just to much to watch and I eventually fell off watching them. I was struggling when there was only four shows I couldn’t imagine trying to watch the six of them. But you kinda have to watch them all just cause of the crossovers. Not only that but the quality for the shows have went down significantly
My favourite Superhero TV show is still Smallville. It wasn't perfect by any means but it holds tons of nostalgic value for me.
My favorite show
The main problem with the Arrowverse to me is BAD WRITING. I do agree that the shows are long and they have 22 to 23 episode seasons but the horrible writing and dialogue is on a new level of cringe I've never seen before.
Best Example of a show with good writing and dialogue but 22 episode seasons is Supernatural seasons 1-5 when the CW was known as WB. Yeah they had filler episodes but they were so damn good and engaging.
Should I give it a try?
@@jasontodd1226 Supernatural? Yes you should. It's really good. S1-5 is what i consider to be "Eric Kripke's" Supernatural. S6 is when the show starts to fall off all the way through S15 with a few gems here and there but it mostly suffers from those CW tropes alot of people started to hate.
I think season 1 and 2 of Arrow was really good, was good for Season 3 with Ra's al Ghoul, then meh for season 4 and 6, got good again in season 5 with Prometheus and season 7 was alright with Ricardo Diaz. Season 8 was ok, but it was basically just filler lead up to the meh Crisis event.
The Flash, Bad CGI aside except for Grodd and King Shark, Season 1 and 2
I thought were really good and had surprises, but unlike Arrow, Flash never got back to being good, each season had moments but ultimately were worse than the last.
I usually like to say that Arrow and Flash Season 1 and 2 threw out the cliche super hero book, Main characters died and good guys lose badly, but (mainly for The Flash) they brought the cliche book back and lost their creativity.
I mainly only watched the flash, up until season 5, which i only watched two episodes of. While i somewhat liked the story and characters, (i prefer grant gustin's flash over ezra miller's) i always thought the fight scenes were slow and underwhelming. Season 3 was my favourite, 2 had my favourite episode, 1 was a decent start and somewhat true to the character's comic story, and i could barely finish season 4 because it was so boring, although it did have 1 or 2 funny episodes. I have always preferred the comic series of the flash instead of the tv show. (On a side note, i also attempted to watch legends of tomorrow - didnt end up watching the last epiode lol)
U can actually watch Flash Armageddon event
First time since season 4,i was interested in what was happening
LoT season 2 is better than season 1
dont bother watching rest
Flash was great but since the 5th season everything has changed
I watched Arrow Season 1 and 2. Never watched a full of episode of the Flash. I did watch Season 3 of Legends of Tomorrow. I think that covers everything
I have a problem the arrow verse is that where is wonder woman and Aquaman and cyborg, doctor fate,and Shazam ,black Adam,darkside, and harley Quinn and bluebeetle,and bane
I will always like The Arrow and the Flash first 5 season
I watched supergirl legends of tomorrow and tried watching batwoman but as the show ps went on they got hard and harder to watch supergirl’s first season was really good mainly cause she wasn’t an arrowverse show at the time she was a cbs show then but after season one she became an arrowverse show cause cbs deemed her to expensive to make while not hitting their projected target ratings so she got cancelled and picked up by the cw essentially being her ultimate downfall the legends problem was to many cast changes cause when they started they were bumbling idiots going through time trying to stop vandal savage but over time as the season went on they should have gotten more competent in what they would with each seasons villains but they never did cause they ultimately become the dumping ground for characters flash and arrow outgrew hurting there chances to grow as characters batwoman’s problems were that the actress got hurt during the first season and she left after that season making us have to get to know a new character playing batwoman while the network would change her time slot 3 times in her 3 season run
Stargirl was a great surprise for me, it's pretty good
I think I really got into the arrowverse around season 1 of the flash just because it was the only way I could watch him live action. I had recently came to like with the comic character and I wanted to see more of him and that was all I had. I did start to lose interest around season 2-3 where I would be on and off with the show. Especially in later seasons the flash just became a side character on his own show. It went on like this until I ended up where i am, just watching to see how this shithole ends. As for the rest of the arrowverse I could never get into those shows other than season 1 of arrow.
I gotta disagree with you here. Arrow and The Flash were great and refreshing during the first two seasons, the quality did take a huge dive though.
Arrow season 5 and 8 were great too.
@@supergirlvideoclips894 season 6-7 had their moments tbh.
The flash was never once good, Arrow is good tho
@@gustavofring3899 you really gonna put some dirt in Eobard Thawn's eyes
@@Bycekko he’s the one bright spot of that show, he’s the only character who has good dialogue and half decent cgi
It's said that superman n Louis is getting the standard cw treatment in S2
Even though Superman & Lois is TECHNICALLY an Arrowverse show, HBO MAX produces it, they just air live on the CW. That’s why the production of the show is so much better in the first season. I haven’t checked out season 2 yet, because I’m waiting on it to be put on HBO MAX
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I can make the cgi of cw shows when sleeping