Learning With Rise - Quess and Her Role
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Hello and welcome to Learning Mecha With Rise, lets go over Quess and hopefully gain you some appreciation for her character.
So sorry for the long delay for a new video and it being this short, but I have been busy with college and stuff. I hope the Gunbuster videos I will have up as soon as I can will make up for it.
This is a pro Quess channel.
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I wouldn't hate her as much if it weren't for the fact that she's so hypocritical. She wants people to understand her needs but she doesn't want to understand others. I guess she does her role well, but that's still doesn't make me like her any less.
+Mathew Tennouji The hypocritical part all ties into her role, youth will be hypocritical and possibly have things like double standards for example.
***** That's true. Personally I don't think her character is bad and she did her job. But I still don't like her. I guess it's kinda like getting the job done, but doing it in a way that would make everyone in the office hate you.
+Mathew Tennouji Being fair a lot of it was Char enabling her
donkeykong75m Good point.
In my book she is a Dangerous Idiot
I think people really struggle with the idea of characters not meant to be likeable unless it is a love to hate, "lol they are trash" and then draw fan art on tumblr of them or so evil. Quess is a dumb teenager getting involved in stuff she doesn't understand which is a pretty realistic thing and common in Gundam. What Quess does though is fail to grow like other characters and thus she ends up suffering the consequences. People see that and go well she must be badly written not getting that the possibility to fail at growth even as a newtype is the point.
It links in heavily with what Tomino has pushed about newtypes. It isn't fairy UNDERSTANDING magic but an ability that has consequences, especially if you abuse it and don't have a strong enough will of your own. There are many links with drug use you could make with it though I don't know how intentional they are.
after reading ur post. i have to say Quess is trash.
No wonder why people hated Unicorn, because it was only showing the positives of newtypes rather than the negatives, and that being a newtype is the only solution to ending conflict within humanity, and that the negatives of newtypes are only caused by the mindsets of people rather than it's flaws and the deliberate abuse of the abilities. And of course, they went too far with the limits of newtype abilities. So basically, Unicorn was basically showing the propagandized form of newtypeism, the same newtypeism that Char himself promoted and used to justify dropping Axis.
The biggest issue with Quess is she gets way too attached to strangers. She gets attached to Amuro when she doesn't know him. Quess never has any actual chemistry with anybody. She disrespects Chan after knowing her for all of 5 seconds. Then she meets Char. Gets attached to him. Later on Quess calls out Chan for taking Amuro away from her. Again. They knew eachother for 5 seconds. It's just so horribly contrived for an excuse to get Amuro and Char to hate each other more. If anybody was a tragey, it was Chan. She put down a psychotic kid, only to be put down by another psychotic kid.
At least the Hathaway movies and series are supposed to follow the Beltorchika continuity, where there was no Chan and Hathaway accidentally kills Quess helping Amuro.
Quess was not there to contrive more reasons for Char and Amuro to hate each other. Her story demonstrates the danger of hero worship, especially when lacking a reliable and respected authority figure. Her presence made it all too clear that Amuro was much too busy being a cog in the machine to meaningfully help this young person, and how incredibly corrupt Char had become.
That is very interesting. Things I'm learning on this roboto
@@Mitsuraga Hathaway at one time, did had a hero worship for Amuro Ray, since he was child and a young teen. He did wanted to be just like him when he grows up and he possibly could've been, if it hadn't been for Quess betraying both Amuro and him for Char.
It's been proven otherwise in Hathaway's Flash, where Amuro's Newtype spirit or possibly Hathaway memories & flashbacks; reminding him the dangers and consequences for following Char's ways & ideals that'll cost him and others their own lives, but mostly his. Yet he tells Amuro to shove it, since he knows he's becoming a lot more like Amuro & Bright's arch-nemesis and a lot less like them.
Possibly, he chose to be that way was mostly for Quess's sake as what Char says and does to get her interested in him, in the first place. It's too bad she didn't really realize the real reason Char was interested in her and not what she actually believes as what she also feels for him.
Real sad and absolutely pitiful for Quess, as it turns out that she was like the only key and last hope for both Earth Federation & Londo Bell. She could've prevented their own political & manpower from growing beyond their own reach as the Titans, if she's been there to settle things over the matter, between the classes of the Earth's population and their interests.
What makes it more sadder is that she would’ve been another Beltorchika/Chan for Hathaway, as like you said, if Amuro wasn't being too busy, focusing on his main enemy and his intentions, instead of taking some time to help her with her problems. Maybe things could've turned up differently, who knows?
She was neglected by her father, and her stepmother wanted nothing to do with her. Of course she would latch onto people who paid her positive attention. Remember that old saying "A child not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth".
There has been quite a few characters in Anime that are both Annoying and Poorly written, Quess is not one of them. She's annoying as hell, but not a bad character by any stretch of the imagination. Same goes for certain other characters that gets similar kinds of treatment.
Oh, and Ghost Quess is a mainstay of the channel now, she will be in every single video which even mentions CCA.
Couldn't ghost Quess get a more interesting avatar? And does ghost Quess have her own rendition of Ghostbusters like Nappa? It's kinda sad she can't be abridged to be an idiot otherwise people would love her and quote everything she says.
Will that include Hathaway's Flash and Gaia Gear videos?
This makes me appreciate CCA even more. Seriously, I refer to you for anyone asking about Gundam.
+Strider Leonn Oh cool, though I do have my own bias when it comes to my favor of UC titles.
Everyone has bias, it's a part of being human. But your explanations of Gundam Universes and the shows clear u so many things for my friends thinking it's all the same thing.
There are people that think she's a bad character? I always put her in the "another disgruntled kid with newtype powers being taken advantage of" category. Neither bad nor good.
+YoungOTBWY Yah, although usually it's just easier to say she's going through ultra puberty, since that's essentially how being a Newtype is at first, puberty.
***** I wanted to add, she's part of an underlying theme that was briefly mentioned by Reccoa, namely that women are tools to be used by men etc. It's in almost every Gundam series, not just UC.
To me... she's a annoying character.... i don't know about a bad character but still, she's annoy me
The reason why people hate Quess plot so much it's because she was just a time waster
They could have shown Kamile in a doctor coat telling Char to screw off
They could have shown Judau working in jupiter colonies unaware of what was happening on Earth
They could have shown Char's rise to power or explain the reason why he changed so much after the end of Zeta
They could have shown more of the relationship between Amuro and Chan
They could have made the battle between the Nu Gundam and the Sazabi a bit longer
But no, they made some stupid teenage drama
CCA is still better than the dragged out mess that the Buu Saga is, fight me.
I used to think Quess was a poorly written character because I thought she was irrational. Your video really helped to explain where her motives come from, specifically the false love that comes from Newtype connections. It's one thing for a mature person to be such a sensitive Newtype, but it was an entirely new perspective for an immature person to be such a sensitive Newtype. Now it feels like Quess is the antithesis of Lalah, which is an important distinction to have in a universe where every kind of person exists. Thanks!
Considering Char mentioned after seeing the demonstration "She's just like her."
@@andrewnlarsen It's been a while lol so I might not be remembering correctly, but my interpretation was that their aptitudes were similar, not necessarily their personalities.
I've always thought of her as a foil to Amuro. Amuro hated war but was forced to fight, whereas Quess idealized it and willingly joined.
I can feel all the salt oozing from the Quess haters. Delicious
+D180223 Give me two years to use the power of propaganda and create a Quess cult.
+Zeta Rise Nice Video As Always. 😁
+Zeta Rise Where do we sign up?
bro you need to pull out the French frys
Fuck quess
Quess represents the viewers, and is the closest thing this movie has to a main character. From her introduction to her death, we see almost everything from her perspective.
Cool video and here I though I was the only one who didn't hate Proto Miku's guts.
What did you think about the Gundam Evolve retcon of her death?
+Kakarot197 Well I would call it more of a "what if" than "retcon" episode, I thought it was pretty nice, showing that both her and Hathaway deserved to live happily.
So not exactly sure if I can have the Gunbuster video by next week, I want it to be amazing because Gunbuster is amazing.
Although I could make a quick video in regards to the new Gundam show, airing this Sunday (October 4th).
For future references, yes, I did mean Haman and Katz, I only fit a clip which had Katz in it, but I guess incidentally wasn't the best choice since Sarah also has pink hair.
‘I don’t see any logic in that.’
That’s the thing about finding someone annoying. It’s not logical. It’s an emotional reaction.
Just finished watching Char's Counterattack. Quess was written to be hated but she is well written. She does and says those contradictory teenager things that teenagers do and say and becomes a victim of her own actions. It is unfortunate for her that she never gets a chance to really grow and redeem herself.
Also, that scene where she flushes herself into space without a normal suit just to be with Char.... That bitch be crazy!
She saved Hathaway from the missile. Already redeemed herself.
@@howardlam6181 I can see how Hathaway went bonkers and killed Chan as in his eyes...Quess almost came back to herself.
Them: Quess is a bad character.
Me: Reccoa, Nina, Nena Trinity....
Edit: replaced Flay with Nina
I'll give you the worst of them all, Nina Purpleton.
My god, Nena might be the fictional character I am the closes to actually hating. That character is so despicable and useless.
@@uandresbrito5685 What's worst about her, is that she spends the entire second season just hanging around, doing fuck all, and then gets killed by the most obvious person, who she had a rivalry with. They made her so hateable in the first season, only to do nothing with her, except killing her off.
Newtype have enhanced spatial awareness as result of amplified pattern recognition via the contextual relationship between the spirit of a thing and the way said thing is manifested of it's core essence/spirit.
" Newtype psychically comprehend people and things. She said no matter how far away they may be...they can figure these things out"-Quess Paraya, schooling Hathaway about the path of awaking the Newtype potential within.
I believe, it works like this:
Once a Newtype focuses, their concentration swiftly and naturally formulates around that focal point, using all the newtypes' basic senses, to actively scan the environment and render real-time spatial mapping of their environment, which is presented as a vivid and functional 3-D visualization within their minds.
This visualisation is not bound to the enclosed confines of a mobile suite cockpit, it is after all, visualization, so it flows like any other form of imagination, only more concise/concentrated.
The more focused a Newtype, the denser a consolidation of concentrated attention they hold, this denseness is comparably heightened definition, it is perception of more detail than what is availed at lower levels of mastery.
More of my opinion:
For things that are outside of the Newtype's amplified and merged sensory input(all basic senses acting as one thus extending the overall range), the advanced pattern recognition is used to detect secondary forms of concentration, such as distortions in the user's own concentration that are being caused by incoming waves of other people's concentration, their "psychic pressure".
Picture it like ripples on the surface of a pond, the waves of one splash meeting the waves of another, causing an interference pattern that results in a sharp disturbance emanating from the point of their collision, that is "psychic pressure" which travels back to the epicentre of the Newtype's own concentric cluster of radiating attention, causing their focus to shift in disturbance.
...One day, I will lead my own Newtype lab....
I have a soft spot for Quess. Sure, she was portrayed as annoying but she was more of a tragic character in the end. In fact, she reminds me of Flay Allster from Gundam Seed who I also have a soft spot for. When Dynasty Warriors Gundam Reborn came out, I frequently played as Quess in tons of missions piloting the GAT-X105 Strike.
I love Quess. She's very misunderstood, and has a great personality. Unlike Chan who has no personality whatsoever. What Amuro saw in her, I'll never know. I firmly believe that Quess did not deserve to be killed, you do not kill off a 13 year old girl for crying out loud! Tomino had serious depression issues at the time which resulted in a kill em all attitude. Thankfully years later, he gave Quess a happy ending in the 5th episode of Gundam Evolve (which took place in the movie) where she remains alive and sane. Tomino must have thought, "Oh my God, what have I done!" , and essentially revives Quess with Amuro calming her down and sending her off to rescue Hathaway. This alternate ending scenario would also probably leave Chan alive, prevent Hathaway from creating the terrorist group Mufti and his subsequent execution (in the novel only), and possibly Hathaway and Quess becoming a couple. I'm not sure if it would change anyone else's fate though. So anyone else out there who likes and supports Quess Paraya like I do, you're awesome! I really do believe her second chance at life will help her become a better person.
I love her.
Even, if this is six years late reply.
I do kindly respect both Hathaway and Quess. It's not entirely their fault for how they were put there in a rushed manner and how they were being depicted to the viewers. Which none of them were given better background information and persona for their existence. The Beltorchika's Children novel and manga has better insight and perspective between those two, than the OVA of Char's Counterattack. Yet it's quite dark and depressing for how their fates being sealed by the cause of their own actions.
Can't agree more as you said it well for the bright alternative in episode five of Gundam Evolve.
That's why I'm creating my own version of Hathaway's Flash story called, "Mobile Suit Gundam: Hathaway's Flash & Beyond Quess" (機動戦士ガンダム 閃光のハサウェイ＆クェスの地平線, Kidō senshi Gandamu senkōnohasau~ei& ku~esu no chiheisen), properly pronounced as "Mobile Suit Gundam: Flash of Hathaway & Quess's Horizon."
In my version, Hathaway is the same as usual for what he does as having major beef with the Federation government and their principalities of how they control the human population. Having "Man Hunters" involved to demonstrate their manpower methods severely.
He does end up being haunted by his past actions and a few spirits he encounters:
Quess Paraya: She learned that Char never loved her and he only used her as a tool; yet a reliable weapon for Amuro and the Federation/Londo Bell Forces. Also, a distraction and diversion for Amuro and the Federation to impede them from stopping Char and his goals of exiling mankind to space.
She blames Hathaway for his cause to her demise. However, she mostly criticizes him for making bad impressiveness to get through, while surviving. Not quite pleased with his attitude that he tends to show (being stubborn, callous in a way, somewhat cynical, yet impulsively reckless) and the kind of actions he does that ends up endangering those around him and himself. Which, he’s going to get the kind of people, including himself killed. She does cares about him and can’t wait to see him as being with him in the afterlife, when he gets there.
Amuro Ray: It’s been confirmed that him and his archenemy, Char have died while stopping the Axcis asteroid from hitting Earth. He’s Hathaway’s righteous voice of reason. Just like Quess, he too does have a saying for Hathaway for the kind of choices and the consequences that he’s going to face and going to end up paying for later.
Except, he’s little more nicer than her. He also listens and understands about his struggles and his pain with the past; but more importantly his mourning moments of Quess. Hathaway is quite bitter and doesn’t enjoy having him around, who’s trying to correct him and advising him of making better choices for him.
He holds a strong grudge with Amuro as he really blames him for being the instigator of Quess’s fate. Her betrayal, her love and her care being under his arch nemesis, Char. His attempted homicide on her (including using his Newtype mental attacks on her), but lastly her own desperate life and death struggle that led to her own demise in the hands of Hathaway.
Quess Paraya (fake): An imposter of the actual Quess who enjoys tormenting Hathaway by both psychologically and emotionally as how Hathaway is driven to meet his fate. This Quess is actually a demon in the form of her that loves to bring Hathaway on an edge with harassment, insults, playful flirts and harsh accusation, whenever he dreams about her; especially when he’s awake and aware.
This phony Quess is what make Hathaway so bitter, yet despises the actual one and possibly feeling uncertain, yet unease for her other self (will get to that one in a bit). Believe it or not, this could’ve been the one that Hathaway was being so egged, yet heavily insulted by this “Quess” in his nightmare from the 3rd Hathaway’s Flash book.
The actual Quess is aware of this fiend, yet she deeply regrets for criticizing and accusing Hathaway earlier about his terrible actions. It saddens her so deeply that she gave this demonic version of herself the power, yet better advantages to torture Hathaway and put him in a worst kind of state, while dealing with the stubborn Federation and their strong refusal to Mufti appealing demands for the changes.
Her only hope is to try alert him in his dream, by communicating about the dangers that’s he going be facing; especially with the evil fake one at certain times. Before her time runs out to leave, she quickly tries to tell him that “help” is on the way. Then, Amuro comes in by voice to let him know that he’s going to lead himself to his own grave.
This version of mine remains the same as the original (including the movie adaption), except it's more of an extended with some new additional and few shocking scenes. But be aware it does end as tragic as the original for you already would’ve know what happened to one of the Mufti members and Hathaway, himself from the third volume of Hathaway Flash that the original Gundam creator wrote those years ago (please forgive me, if I’m being kind of heartless and unsympathetic as I hate it so much to do a thing like that to both Hathaway & Quess 😔) .
No matter how dark, serious, yet dramatic the story goes. There’s some positive, yet heartwarming scenes in this. As Hathaway does finally end up getting together with someone that he has been waiting for, his entire life and it's *her* .
That would be Quess. Except, she's a duplicate (clone) of the original and she has a different first and last name. She pretty different than her actual self as she’s a young adult like Hathaway (25 yrs. old).
This other Quess is beautiful, smart, matured, independent and well-trained female soldier as a representative for their anti-Federation organization (probably, more likeable to the audience and the Gundam fans, than how Quess Paraya, herself been viewed and harshly criticized by them). And the one that really helped her become that type would be, Emerelda Zubin.
Emerelda is her excellent friend, a cool big sister, but most importantly; her surrogate mother. She became a mother figure to this Quess who helped her matured as she looks after her and cares deeply for her as much as she cares about her Mufti friends, including her boss, Hathaway. I’m sure the actual Quess would want a woman like her to be her mom, since she’s much better than her actual mother.
However, the clone Quess doesn't know that her boss and leader is actually her long, forgotten, acquaintance: Hathaway. Eventually, she'll finally discover later on as her memories will resurface. Plus, she ends up remembering about everything that has happened, including her memories of her actual self and her original's death.
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I dont think she's a bad character, I do think she's an awful human being though. Newtype powers or not theres all the signs of a psychopath there not just being a spoiled brat, nut jobs like Char just helped bring those traits out and weaponized her like he did to Lala.
THANK YOU for this lol Quess is such a great tragic character
Quess is my favorite character
So during the climax of Char's Counterattack, there was a particular argument between Char and Amuro that kind of explained and summed up Quess's character a bit more clearly for the audience watching said movie.
Amuro: That's why we have to show the world the light of the human heart!
Char: For a man who thinks that way you were awfully cold to Quess.
Amuro: I'm not a machine! I couldn't be a father figure to Quess! Is that it? Is that why you used Quess like some kind of machine?
Char: So, Quess was searching for a father figure. I see why I found her so annoying...and turned her into a machine.
Amuro: I thought you were more broadminded!
As one can see from the dialogue, Quess was a character who was just looking for a parental figure in her life, because well it's implied that her life had been cold, unsatisfying, and devoid of any parental figures who honestly cared for, spent time with, and/or loved her in any meaningful way. Amuro acknowledged this earlier in CCA, as well as the fact that he could not be a good father figure to Quess, and berates Char for manipulating and using her affections to turn her into a cold, ruthless killing machine during the final moments of CCA.
In a sense, Quess's death and ultimate fate is both a rather tragic and ironic one: all the girl wanted was for a parental figure to accept her and return her affections, and instead it was Char's "parenting" which ultimately led to her demise.
Char ruins everything.
I personally only found Quess bothersome because her character felt rushed. Her "archetype" is pretty common in the Gundam universe. She is a person who only sought her own 'needs' in a sense while the main protagonists (Char and Amuro) are fighting for something greater than themselves.
She explained what her main goal was in the novel and manga, Beltorchika's Children. She wanted to kill a planet for giving birth to a woman who took her father away from her mother.
The character of Quess is symbolized by Amuro's line, "I'm not the time to deal with children!"
Ghost Quess is fun😄
As much as I find Quess annoying and sometimes in the way, I can definitely see your points as that IS kinda her thing more or less. I also thought I was the only one who saw the comparison between her and Kamille
+withadeafeningcry Yup, especially their relationships with Char. Although the problem was that they were guided differently, switch them both and they'd probably make the same decisions as their counterpart in a given situation.
+Zeta Rise Funny you mention that initially Gyunei was supposed to Be kamille with some heavy cybernetic implants in the planning stages of the movie
It's amusing you called her Proto-Miku, because I always considered her to be a Proto-Asuka.
Teenage girl with twin tails, very emotional, very smart and demanding, piloting a giant robot, in a bad relationship with her parents, seeking older men and being a little bitch.
Just my thought. ^^
After listening to the explanation of her character in this video, I think "annoying" is precisely the correct description for an emotional, immature, naive, idealistic, whimsical, thoughtless, bratty, and unreliable teenage girl. Her character is the essence and pure personification of the ultra-progressive radical types of our world. I honestly can't think of a better word to describe the type than "annoying."
I dislike quess not because of the way she acted in CCA but what she did at the end of hathaway's flash, sure hathaway is stupid for becoming a rebel for such a bane reason but she waits to it's near end of the novel and he's about to be shot to finally say something to him about his actions, at the point i was like wow quess way to kick a guy when he's down.
To be fair, Quess wasn't obligated to return Hathaway's affections.
that never actually happens in hathaways flash if you read it.
@@amirfaraji1477 A full translation of the totality of the Novels is not yet available, but the page with the chapter summaries does state the part about quess ghost being there was part of the misformation that was being spread around.
what does she say? please share
@@type-0universe756 Hathaway was having a nightmare about himself being lured to his death by Quess, who tells him to come with her. She also tells Hathaway that her fate, being killed by his hands was a misunderstanding and she wants him to come and join her (in death) as she knows he can never take his eyes off of her; especially forgetting her (she's completely "irresistible" to Hathaway's own heart & soul).
Either Hathaway becomes cold-hearted by telling her to "go away" and downright insults her by telling her off about her useless affection and love for Char Aznable (like in both SD Gundam G Generation Genesis & G Generation Spirits HF Story).
Or another possibility is that he's struggling by telling her to stop and leave him alone out of fear or hurt, since he's been constantly haunted with the memories of the past, her mysterious presence (from his mental perspective), her voice, her girlish laughs, her terrible teasing and taunts (that'll probably drive him over the edge, due to his inner pain), etc.
Which that one might be more likely to be true and believable, according to Tomino's actual ideals & expression for the continuation of High-Streamer/Beltorchika's Children (what he actually wanted for Char's Counterattack OVA that Bandai & Sunrise rejected).
She's been haunting him and causing him to make much rash action & decisions that'll eventually lead him to his ultimate downfall and his end.
Except in this case, it may possibly be Hathaway's own misery and guilt (in the form of Quess Paraya) that's slowly eating away at him for how much he misses her. He's probably is blaming and hating himself for failing to save her and bringing her back, when she was last seen alive, while she went all haywire; calling for help and outrageously tries to intervene on the behalf of both Amuro & Char's final standoff.
It didn't help that the Federation congratulated and praising him as a hero for taking her out and possibly using it for their PR campaign to show their "own" moral grounds. It really disgusted him so much and mostly motivate him enough to turn his back on them to join Mafty. Then, ended up becoming Mafty & the Earth's (middle & poor civilians) leader & savior.
PaddyPakku helped made it clear for any of us to understand in his book summaries & review of the HF's novels. Also, helped to clarify the misinformation we all thought about for how it ended for Hathaway & Quess' sour reaction for his action that may seem more of provocative way to hate them.
Gamore provided useful information about the three books in his review of Hathaway's Flash. If anyone is interested to find out how it actually happened, according the Gundam creator Tomino who wrote them.
link: ua-cam.com/video/25M2eKOMtp0/v-deo.html
(btw, this is what I learned about the nightmare scenario of Quess' invitation of death for Hathaway, that many mistaken for Quess' ghost appearing before his execution and telling him off about his actions & her rejected response)
Many thanks to both PaddyPakku & Gamore for the correction of how Hathaway's story actually went. And also thank you and everyone else for listening.
After seeing the video I feel sad for her. Quess I found her as a tragic character because Char instead of acting as a mentor figure and helping her. He just cause more damage making Quess impossible to fix even Hathaway fail to make her go by the right path.
I think Hathaway did get to her, but Chan reacted too soon and they ended up both losing their lives. Seriously Hathaway, if you didn't want Chan to shoot down Quess, why not just tell her what you plan to do? Ever heard of a thing called communication?
@@erinmccutcheon3751 I agree that Hathaway almost got through. And then of course they were in a fast moving battle.
@@andrewnlarsen Maybe if Hathaway had just told Chan what he was trying to do she wouldn't have been so quick on the trigger.
@@erinmccutcheon3751 Yeah, except it didn't do any good from the start when Quess first went after Amuro and ended up being outmatched by him as he damage her α Azieru good with his rifle and was about to get her from behind.
You think Hathaway would've reacted better to communicate with Amuro, via telepathically with his Newtype mind power to strongly warn him to stand down and wanted him to leave her alone as he's on his way to settle the matter with her?
@@biggamerhead01315 Hathaway should've told Amuro that he wanted to save her. Plus, by what you said, Amuro shouldn't be so trigger happy. His quarrel was with Char, not Quess.
I love Quess. I really do. Nothing anyone can say will change that.
Suddenly reminded of Flay from Seed.....
At least both Flay or Quess not really intentionally to hurt people... Unlike purple haired guy with girly name than crushed by ZGMF-2000 😂
I watched CCA again recently. And it's still good. I wouldnt say that I hate Quess but I was a bit annoyed at how there were so many love triangles going on mostly involving her. Quess wanted Amuro but felt Chan got in the way, falls in love with Char, defects to Neo Zeon, now sees Nanai as another obstacle. Oh and theres also unrequited love for her by both Hathaway Noa and Gyunei (who btw was willing to usurp Char JUST to get with Quess). Char doesnt even really like her he thinks shes annoying and simply wanted to use her for Neo Zeon because she was a strong Newtype and he needed all the help he could get.
Nice work Rise, also I for one can agree with you but not for the same reasons.I scrolled through the comments and was surprised to see that no one seemed know about or even mention Hathaway's Flash.Which us really where Quess Aire has her role revealed more by her connection with Bright Noa's son at the time of CCA :)
At least she was actually intended to be written as an annoying brat, unlike some characters who are unintentionally made unlikeable. So she serves her purpose.
Have you ever thought of doing character spotlights? Because this was a great video and I'd like to see you do some with reccoa or jerid
Yah!! Rise, you have finally delivered us the video you promised. Obviously, it was delayed due to reasons, but I'm proud of you!! What video are we going to expect next?
+The UA-cam Rookie Two Gunbuster ones, one being a "review" yet not, the other talking about the machine Gunbuster and its abilities.
+Zeta Rise I'm don't know much about Gunbuster, other than it being a mecha anime. Will you also explain its plot in the next videos?
The mecha Explored is pretty much going over the premise and facts about the show and them you can watch it after. I won't go over the whole plot as it would spoil things, only a summary.
I've always like Quess from the very first time I watched CCA back when I was 15. Honestly yeah she was annoying, but to me she wasn't bad character at all because of that one little trait.
Also awesome video as always.
I thought of Quess more as a Newtype beyond what humans could currently understand. After seeing this, I see her more as a character who has stunted development and is used by Char. Never really found her annoying, though.
Just watched CCA, I felt she was forced into the story, she needed more build up instead of shoving her into a 2 hour movie without proper character development of some sort
Ok, I see your point and I agree with you a little, but because Guess and Hathaway, we don't spend enough time with Char and Amuro, you know? The main characters of the movie. It’s a shame we spend so much time with these new characters instead of Amuro and Char and because of this, we don't seen them evolve or developed trough the movie or how they became who they are right now (this is mostly with Char). It odd that in a movie called “Char’s counterattack” we spend so little time with Char and his rival
+Escapulario100RN Well to be fair, we already spent 1 whole show with them and a second with them as supports. The thing is, they don't need to develop or evolve, this is both of them entering the movie at their prime already changed and developed.
Ok, I get you, but answer me this: What made Char decided to drop rock on Earth and where can I see or read that?
***** Well that is further explored in Hi Streamers which has more back story, since the CCA adaption jumped into a volume ahead if I remember correctly.
But a lot of it is just small details we gain, Char just had the reasoning that people needed to go into space by force. He thought humans would become newtypes that way, as he was taught that theory as a child by his father who basically proposed it. The only way to force people off earth is by dropping axis and making the planet inhabitable.
@@zetarise9376 yeah, in Char's case, it was mostly off-screen development. From Haman-hater to person who uses exactly the same methods to achive exactly same goal. Also, if reading some book is needed to understand the movie, it only means that the movie was poorly executed.
I'm affraid that explanation of char's behaviour is way simpler - it was all fanservice. They made them hate ech other again because it was 10th anniversary, nothing less, nothing more. They dropped all development from Zeta where he and amuro became buddies and finally forget about lylah, they dropped obvious suggestion from ZZ that Char was responsible for kidnaping Mineva - all because they thought that making full circle and putting them in exactly same situation like in the end of first show is a cool idea. I could live with char making something stupid, but it was so rushed, without context, with missing plotpoints from previous shows and wasting so much time on new and unimportant characters like Quess... It'd be good stand-alone movie, but as a finisher for Z&ZZ it was just dissapointing.
Should of asked this earlier, but who would be part of a cult for Quess?
+Zeta Rise May I have the honor of being the first member of this great cult?
D180223 And so it is done, it must spread.
Count me in as well.
+Zeta Rise Can I just be a suppoter/sponsor? Hasn't sunk in really yet...
of course I have to be in the cult.
your channel is amazing AMAZING ^^ im learning alot of new things about Gundam
Wow... I never thought of her this way at all. I really dismissed this movie as a quick slap together money grab but you added a layer of depth that made me at least re think her character and the role of her types of characters.
i remember somewhere online that quess's behavior to be loved irritate Char because he see a younger version of himself in her, being denied a good chance to bond with both parents leading to the fixation of new types to filled the void.
I just discovered this video after watching CC. I initially hated Quess, and I thought she ruined the movie to me. After watching this, I no feel that way about her. I'll have to rewatch the movie with this in mind. Thank you.
Quess may not be a “bad character” in the sense of how she fits into the story however she is so fucking annoying it actually makes CCA hard for me to watch. I actually cheer when she dies
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I did too
Agree 100%
Hathaway made me angrier that Quess.
At least, the novel and manga of CCA is much better than the OVA, where Chan doesn't exist and nobody gets to see Hathaway's actual reactions after she left him for Char that the Beltorchika's Children version of Char's Counterattack only shows and provided.
The part where he's totally distraught, while being heartbroken of Quess that betrayed his love for her and his desperate cries of attempting to wake her up that happens almost at the end. Not only that, but her death by surprise from him, rather than Chan, herself; even his hollow feelings afterward, hits me real hard.
The OVA CCA does makes me sad as seeing Hathaway with that sad look on his face, while he's watching the Axcis Asteroid being pulled away from his Jegan Suit, along with the "Aurora" OST, playing. Which, really does set well with the downer mood for what happens after Amuro and Char disappears.
I feel bad for him as I feel his pain as a solo guy, myself. Apparently, being single has more advantage than being a couple in Tomino's UC Gundam stories. Except, it can be such a torment to those that are new, yet inexperience with the kind of relationships that starts to draw the line for the plot and its setting that can engage with the kind of audience.
As how it relates to the type of person and the personal life that he or she struggles to bear with.
I don't really care if she is annoying or not, I just don't like her because she is part the reason why the Re-Gz is destroyed. And the Re-Gz is one of my favorite suits.
+Zeroconvoy Well at least there were other ones produced, like the one which makes a cameo in Bright's ship hanger in episode 4 of Unicorn I believe.
+Zeta Rise Very true.
I mean that does make sense. I will concede you likely had a far greater tolerance to her than I had.
But still, I didn't not clap my hands when she ate it.
Hehe, i hope someday youll touch on the 3part aeolia shenberg plan. Subbed and hoping for your youtube success :)
I meant, characters that are meant to be hated aren't necessarely bad characters. Most villains are made for you to hate them, but if they do that well it means they are great villains. So... Yeah, I can't say Quess is a bad character, but she most definitely fulfills her role as she isn't supposed to be sympathetic.
Supposedly she emits a wave that makes other newtypes attracted to her. While strong ones like Char and Amuro can resist the pull, weak ones like Hathaway ends up falling in love with her. Her childish demeanor, selfishness and immaturity actually works in her favor as part of the charm, like when she screams in a childish voice "everyone go down" as she unknowingly kills her father
Still, it was a bit odd for her to have so much hate for Chan, yet she couldn't see that Char only cared for Nanai and no one else
Late reply but the beauty of your reply is that it reflects what Tomino had in mind with Quess: a mentally ill narcissist. Good boys fall for girls like that all the time in real life.
Interesting how you say her Newtype charm allows her to get away with shit. It’s similar to her father who used his status to be disrespectful and foul to people the whole movie.
There was a commentary on Char's Counterattack which found that Quess was an insert almost mirror-character for a young Char Aznable (Casval Rem Deikun). I cannot find it.
i do think quess is annoying but i don't hate her for it because that's kind of the point she's an example of what happens of natural newtype becoming just as unstable as a first gen cyber newtype from being thrown into the battlefield as a weapon
Next Learning w/ Rise - Flay Alster from Gundam SEED. She's also a misunderstood character.
This is the second time I see this video and yet still I feel pain for her when all that happen to Quess, it makes me even sadder for her that I want to make an OC based on her
She is a good bad character, so she works fine as a key of the story and as a hateable character, what I mean is, she's not bad writed, she was created like that, even in the novelizations that's her role.
I just got done watching this movie for the first time. As i was watching, I definitely was annoyed but part of me could see the tragedy behind the character. Perhaps I’ll watch it again and see if i can dig deeper.
Honestly the character development and narrative is a little lack luster but overall it is a pretty good movie
I loved CCA but for some reason to me it seems the end was unfinished but with Hathaway's flash I guess it feels a bit more complete
She is written to be a narcissist. Tomino said he had mentally ill narcissistic teens in mind when making her, as he felt this type of person was becoming more prevalent in society at the time (the 80’s going into 90’s). He never called it narcissism as real world studies had not fleshed it all the way out yet, but it falls in line with her character.
Zeta Rise (2:58) It"s Sarah and Katz
+香港水生物愛護會/ 香港魚類愛護會 No, I meant Haman and Katz, I just showed a clip of Katz where Sarah happened to be, I'd assume it's easy to get.
Seen the new Gundam Hathaway now i need to watch this show!!!
Quess is not a bad character, just an unlikable one. Her role was made to be a lesson for the audience. Now if you want a bad character, I nominate Nina Purpleton.
Well I liked her.
Well there’s nothing redeemable about her, so I don’t know how she’s isn’t a bad character.
@@Anon9729X How do you know if you don't give her a chance?
So I have to ask, are you only gonna be doing explain videos? What about Mecha Top Tens because there's next to none in YT. And yes, I know this channel is about to become a Non Gundam-Exclusive Channel, what other stuff are you planning to post? Love your content BTW.
+Joseph Jobo Licayan Well I already had the update video where I will have 2 new series. But aside from those I already have Gundam History which will be ongoing for a pretty long time.
-Mecha Explored: Semi "reviews" of mecha shows where I go over what they are about and some detail about them.
-Almighty Mecha: Each vid focusing on a specific mech and going over its abilities and feats.
***** Well thought out. Thanks for replying.
:)
I don't really despise Quess, in spite of those who actually does. I do feel bad for how she's been depicted as; especially how she was killed off without a chance for herself to be redeemed. The causes for her downfall, along with her demise really seem appealing to the type of audience who really can't stand her or don't even know her character that well. I mean, it's understandable to why she comes out as "annoying" at first and the actions she does that audience sees and view her negatively.
The same can be said and goes for Hathaway. As how he has been portrayed as a poor, young foolish sucker who has been infatuated with her or love-obsessed of her as others claimed him to be.
When the OVA of CCA came out, we saw how Hathaway reacts unwisely. Only trusting in his heart and his love of having a soft spot for Quess as wanting to save her and bring her back into their life (supposedly). Until later on, he kills Amuro's love interest, Chan as a form of grieving heartache and emotional retaliation as he angrily blames her for her interference and her causes that ruined and destroyed the girl that he first ever laid eyes on, who also meant so much to him.
He too, ends up getting the same amount of hate as Quess; just for each of those reasons. Her and Hathaway deserves better than what they been given so far, by the diehard Gundam fans.
There was a review of Char's Counterattack from Space Kaleidoscope for how it described about Tomino's personal outlook with his characters in his stories with the issue of handling the concept between childhood and adulthood, including adolescence.
Plus, it explains the way he has most of his female characters who betrays the type of characters, due to their unbearable emotions that takes over and how they ended up paying the price for their actions, because of the overwhelming feelings they bare and the unpleasant situation they find themselves in.
I agree with others who said that Tomino must've had some serious depression issue at the time and his unpleasant experience with the war from his past through the present has affected him in a way. It's difficult sometimes for someone like him to show as to bring some positive aspect such as, "love" and "happiness" for his Gundam works. Also, relationships in his Gundam arcs doesn't seem to last.
However, he did finally have a change of heart to create a bright alternative for Quess and Hathaway; especially for Amuro in his animated what-if short stories: Gundam Evolve.
YES
I always gave her a pass because she's clearly written to make you annoyed. But Hathaway is a different story, he faces zero reprucussions for his actions even after he guns down Chan who just saved his life.
1:22 quess confirm a Ugandan knuckles *spit on him , my bruddas*
Damn CCA is the media I watch the most as well. Lol series though my fave still has to be ms08th team
I love the current Hathaway’s Flash movie, but it makes me question whether Hathaway is worth rooting for or not. As you’ve said, Quess had to face the consequences of what she had done, because she went along with the wrong side and was doing what she thought was right. While the Federation is clearly doing bad crap in Hathaway, if Hathaway is becoming Mafty Navue Erin just because of what happened to Quess, or if Quess is the main driving force behind Hathaway fighting, can we really call him a good person?
I haven’t read Hathaway’s Flash, so please do not flame me for not knowing how it ends. Personally, I’d love to get to experience the manga in this movie format, so I ask that no one spoil it.
can anyone please tell me is the m1 astray a mass produce gundam like the RX-78(G) or its just a mobile suit im still confused in 4 years ago since i watch the show!
your opinion!
What opinion? But in regards to the question, it is not a mass production Gundam, mass production yes, but not a Gundam. They benefit from using the research and data from the original Gundams to create them, much like the GM's from first Gundam.
Although the Frame Astray's are Gundams and gain the label.
***** holy shoot im not confused anymore thanks *****!
I really do like CCA but I don't like Quess but I digress. I just feel she just bogs down what is already a good movie. I understand why she's there but that doesn't make me like much more.
+FourteenthAngel I can see that, I mostly just got used to it, usually I try to watch shows now with a more objective view, just going with the flow if that makes sense.
But yah, not liking her is fine.
+Zeta Rise One could argue that her role is simply not to like her. Or rather, not to like the way she does what she does. Sometimes we have to see the wrong way to do things in order to appreciate the right way to do things.
Well yah, it is pretty clear she was not written to be liked, so we can then make the next step.
+Zeta Rise You can agree that a character is well written and still not like them. Everyone goes into a piece of media with some sort of bias. It is impossible to be completely objective.
I would love to see one of these character analysis with Flay Allster.
+Lightspeeds Not too sure on how that would go, my problem is that Seed's writing isn't that great so it's more up to opinion when it comes to Flay's character who was bounced around all over the place..
Yeah, you're right about that. So many fan authors have done Flay and Seed as a whole justice to the point that it's my favorite of the alternate universes.
Oh yes, the SRW series do a lot of justice for everything Seed, especially with Kira and Shin.
+Lightspeeds I read a gundam self insert fan fic once it was called Gundam SEED destiny.
I read one too donkykong and it actually treated Shinn as the main character.
Is Char seeing Quess as the second Kamille? And having Quess like his "adopted child" annoys him because it reminded him of his AEUG days. If Gyunei was supposed to be replaced by Kamille, will he be able to calm down Quess being a stronger Newtype than any of them?
...yes
Thank you for this explanation. I've always appreciated Quess' role in the story. The haters don't get it.
she is just a typical illustration of a lad. the roles she has contain many un discipline and the results as well as manners toward adults . things characteristics made to stimulate and presenting real life. that's what i've learnt from quess. she is a tool. Char sees her as a tool and if things turn out worse she could be used as a hostage. she might willing to be. young and lack of social contacting.
Doesn't Hathaway's flash end with her pretty much making Hathaway's last moments more agonizing then they actually were?
+max masterson It just ends with her telling him that she never loved him, giving him some more truth as he already suffered guilt over her death.
Quess wasn't a bad character but was a terrible person. It was hinted that she could have had newtype powers bordering on the same level as Kamille.
Her impulsive and reckless tendencies along with her selfishness meant that she would have jumped to any side that catered to her insecurities.
Char never cared for anyone but Lalah really and he saw Quess as a weapon. Overall she was a character who very much got what she deserved at the end.
Nice. Try telling that to Hathaway Noa, who's been desperately in love with her, since he first saw her at the airport. Who also been mourning, even after her death (when later on, becoming the leader of well-know terrorist organization in his story; for rightful and noble reasons).
Overall, I do agree with that Quess wasn't the worst character and yes, she was awful. But I still felt sorry for her. For how she ended up being the deuteragonist and also a poor sucker, especially in the end. It's too bad, she didn't realize the love she wanted and waiting for has been beside her the whole time. Yet instead, she wanted one of the two men who wouldn't want anything to do with her, except their own enmity with each other.
I guess Hathaway now is the next one in line for Quess to be considered as the "hated" or "worst" character, after everyone saw what he did to Chan Agi (though, I preferred Tomino's original version of who's the actual *one* responsible for Quess' end or even better: his redemptive alternative) and his futile obsession with her.
I thought Nina from Code Geass angered me most but this girl takes top prize as the most detestable character in anime history!
not a bad character, just another sad story
I respectfully disagree, sir.
There is nothing redeeming or worth carrying about when it comes to Quess.
She is absolutely what people have called her for 30+ years.
You are entitled to your opinion, but she and Char in particular are the reasons why I consider CHAR'S COUNTERATTACK a beautiful looking disappointment.
Hammon and Katz.....
+Chase Baker Haman and Katz what? I only showed a single clip which included Katz.
I think you accidentally called Sarah "Hammon" when you were talking about the Newtype connection between Sarah and Katz.
+Chase Baker loving the channel btw. Good content.
Oh no, I meant Haman, only showing a clip of Katz. Both had these mistakes most of all, Haman with Juadu and Char, Katz with Sarah.
Well my only arguments in chars own words at least in the sub titles lol "she wanted a father figure in me. That's why I found her anoyying" lol but she's key to the plot as lalah but the hole thing the old origins idk if there's any remake that's new animation I saw 88 version and im confused by the plot n where it all fits and the time between this and rise of red comet. And the entire uc time line period lmao
2:58 isn't that Sarah Zabiarov? not Haman Kahn?
I was just about to type that mabye he made a mistake
It wasn't a mistake, I did mean Haman and Katz, I simply just edited in a clip of Katz, I'd assume it would be easy enough to follow.
I see what you mean now lol. But that clip made it confusing though, you could add a clip of Haman and Judau too for that emphasis. :) Nevertheless I like your videos they are very informative, our gunpla facebook group enjoys them very much.
***** i see now what you mean im sorry i just had a slow moment.
And now gundam hathaway flash is coming this winter. Yeay?
I wonder if you can do a Gundam explain , Explaining how she survived in space without a spacesuit
+Solar Bee Oh actually I found out that it's possible, the problem is many of us have a false narrative on how Space works by Hollywood. Sure it's a vacuum but theoretically we can manage what Quess did although it's also like saying we can manage swimming in a tank of sharks.
Because it was only for a couple of seconds, and a better question is how did char's cockpit repressurize so quickly?
+max masterson that is a good question but how about how the psycho frame really works
I really don’t care about how bad she’s supposed to be she doesn’t belong in the movie. Sorry about your luck
30 years after it's release of Char's Counterattack i still don't like Quess.
i mean if char and amuro aint throwing hands against each other it aint gundam.
hay rise whats your favorit mobile suit. me i am partail to the Zeta series but my all time favorit is the Wing Gundam Zero. mainly cause this was the first MS i was introdused too.
+gundanium Well considering I'm "Zeta" Rise, it's easy to denote that it's the Zeta, although the one in particular that I enjoy the most is the Zeta P2/3C Type.
In the 5 years this video has been up
2:57
Did no one catch this?
I still don't get why Chan was firing missiles when Hathaway was there.... What was she thinking with that friendly fire when Hathaway was telling her not to fire and back off.
I know this comment is old, but I finally watched this movie, which was absolutely amazing!
The thing was that they were in the middle of a war and Hathaway was being incredibly naive, while Quess was very dangerous with that mobile suite, so of course Chan is going to take the opportunity to destroy the threat, regardless of friendly fire.
@@KingEgyptian Um, no. You don't fire missiles at 13 year olds. Quess needed therapy, some genuine love and understanding not violence and a death warrant.
@@margaretmccutcheon1081 Age doesn't matter on the battlefield.
@@KingEgyptian It does!! If given a chance and some TLC, a youngster could break free from a corrupting influence and become a better person. No one gave Quess a chance, other than Hathaway. It was wrong for him to shoot down Chan but still, there are better ways to bringing someone back from the enemies side.
@@margaretmccutcheon1081 Bro they are in the middle of a war and the Earth is at stake. Not only that but Quess already killed people, even her own father. Her being a dumb youth manipulated by Char is no longer important. Her death is completely justified the second she got in that giant mech and started killing people for a genocidal cause. Her naïve immaturity means little when the fate of the Earth is on the line.
A character that makes selfish and bad decisions doesn't make a bad character. However Tominos pacing in this movie is a little wonky.
Quess was cancer and could survive space like she disney leia
I hate her but I hate Flay even more!