This Might Be Why Your Arctic Cat Eats Belts! | Big Fin Secondary Clutch Install F1100
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Jason and I swap out my old Small Fin for a used XF9000 Big Fin Secondary Clutch. Because the Helix is specific to the motor we need to swap that from my old clutch to the new one and then put it all back together and hope everything works!
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LOL, ' just go til' it strips then back er off'. Love these videos man.
Haha that's what I usually do... Thanks Island ADV!
I have a 2013 F1100 Turbo. From factory, the jackshaft flexes up to 180 thousandths of an inch and the bracket that holds the jackshaft bearing on the clutch side came attached to the engine. Every time you let off the throttle, the belt takes the brunt of the force from over shifting and it heats up. Guys have spent thousands trying to fix belt blowing issues by installing new clutches, jackshafts, etc. If you want to be done blowing belts, especially if you have it tuned up (I have 240 horse tune, cold air intake, extended track, Bikeman Clutch kit), you'll have to replace a couple parts. The bracket that holds the jackshaft on the secondary side has to be replaced as well as the jackshaft. The new brace will stop the overheating on deceleration and the heavier jackshaft will keep your secondary from pulling out of parallel when you're accelerating. This should have been addressed right from factory and a couple engineers did in fact lose their jobs at Arctic Cat over this. They now work at Polaris. lol. Scott Taylor Engineering still makes these parts and he does them well. For the double approach fix, you're looking at just shy of $1000. That's a bit to spend but better than having a $5,000+ paperweight that you don't want to ride because it constantly blows $120+ belts.
This is a great video for someone looking to do their own clutch work on an older cat. Thanks!
Glad to hear that, thanks!
Haha, I built my spring removal tool out of some threaded rod welded into the center hole of an old lawnmower blade for a base, then a section of tube followed by a trimmed former lawn mower blade to do the compressing. Honestly buying the correct tool is too pricey for what it does, and all these clutches are a bit different. A little creativity gets the job done. Happy New Year bud.
I had the updates done on my 12 XF when I bought it as a carry over and knock on wood and 7 years later still on my original belt. You should be all good with the big fin secondary.
Nice! I'll be happy if I get one year out of a belt! haha.
If your having problems blowing belts or even if your not this is a must have AC Part # 6639-817. Have a 2013 XF800 Cross Tour was eating belts like crazy this did the trick. Ducts the air straight to secondary
I had actually looked into vents first but also wanted to buy a tool to check clutch alignment and decided to buy the cooler running clutch and the tool for that since it was slightly different.
Newer Sleds look a PIA to work on.. I thought TEAM Clutches were the hot thing now but ill stick with the slightly older Cat Torque sensing secondary that is self centering....
the heat treatment on the cast during the 2012 sleds were junk and would fail, is one thing the dealer told me. I still need to get the big fin for my 2012 proclimb. Great vid bud.
Ahh yeah, I think that's what I was told as well. Thank you!!!
I hope that your intent was to make a comical video because I laughed my ass off and shook my head almost the entire time.. 🤣
I've had no issues with belts on my 809 Mach Z and l have a plate on my secondary..
Usually blown belts are an indication of poor clutch maintenance, improper alignment and off sets or bad clutch calibrations, bad engine mounts or everything I've mentioned combined..
Just get a secondary adjuster and that solves the issue. Can also get a little longer belt.
Another great How-To-Video... Happy New Year to You Honey Badger and Baby.
Thank you!!! Happy New Year to you and yours as well!
I have the older style Cat roller secondary and its quite a bit different than your newer secondary. Thanks for posting, as I learned allot about the newer style secondary. Are you able to adjust clutch parallelism on your sled? TIP: You can clean/wash both primary and secondary clutches in your dishwasher, they come out very clean. Just don't do it when your wife is around! They should be cleaned once a season as belt dust wears the clutches faster.
Have you told me what sled you've got? I want to say F1000 but that doesn't sound right.... Anyhow I'm glad to hear this helped, but I've no idea on the parallelism, of I'd have to ask Jason haha. The guy I bought my first sled from said he always scuffed his clutches up with high grit sandpaper. I assume that's about the same thing, but might also remove material and wouldn't clean the internals at all.
Not 100% tbh... Manual just says if off to correct it but does not say how... Some googling indicates the order you torque down the motor mounts could influence it... Others say to shim certain mounts... Others say to slot where the mounts bolt down.
@@sledjason No worries, it is done by tweaking the motor mounts. I wouldn't worry about it, unless it keeps breaking belts. Then its something that will need to be looked at. The washing of the clutches (in the dishwasher) is good practice...seriously...google it.
@@SwankyCatProductions I have an old 91 Arctic Cat Ext 580 that I've restored w/some modern upgrades, and I have a 2002 Arctic Cat ZR 900.
Great video. I have a 2012 F1100 so this video is very interesting to me. Just bought mine, haven't ridden it yet. I bought a non-turbo because I heard about the belt lifespan's. How long were yours lasting? Is this new assembly just from a newer sled?
I should have explained that all a bit better lol. I'm not really sure what was up with mine but in the two thousand miles I've put it on it I've blown 3 belts. All of them when I was really pushing the sled. I'd recommend pulling your side cover and carefully touching both clutches and the belt after some normal riding to see how hot they are. Mine would get so hot you couldn't touch them at all. As I said before Im not really sure why this was but switching the secondary out was what Country Cat suggested since I was having issues. It could have been an alignment issue or something else but I figured I'd try this rather than buy the alignment tool for the old secondary and have that not actually be the issue. Let me know what you find!
I bought my 2013 XF 1100 N/A because of that also. Im pushing 3500 miles on the factory belt still with no issues... guess I got a good one lol.
I'd have blown a lot of belts in that time ha ha
I pulled my secondary off to clean it and re-grease the shaft. When I went to put it back on it wouldn’t open and broke the bolt. I purchased replacements and will try it again but it really surprised me.
great video I was just wondering why u wouldn't put new parts in since u had it apart
Thanks. The sled has almost 10,000 miles on it so I didn't want to spend the money on new components since they would long outlast the rest of the sled.
Those plastic ramps are for reverse no deceleration.
Yassss! Banjos!
Just curious what you’ve been using for belts? I blew the original belt in my 12 XF 1100 on the last ride last year. Original belt made it over 5k. Knocking on wood I get the same mileage on the new one. Thinking of buying aftermarket now for the spare.
I've always been running the stock Arctic Cat belts from Amazon. I'm hoping that's the last one I'll need to order though lol
Longer belt helps and red spring.
What did you figure out? I’ve got a m8000 and gone through 3 belts after changing my track from 2.6 lug to 1.75 with studs. Only blows after longer runs. Secondary hot af. Possibly same issue you’re having.
So far so good. I ran around 65mph for some longer stretchs in the UP a few weeks ago with no issues. I think this solved it for me!
@@SwankyCatProductions okay, I got some guys looking at mine and turns out my bushings are gone in the secondary. Clutch would be little outta line that way. And after running for long stretches around 70-80mph it’d heat up and the blow the belt. When cool I’ve seen 85mph plus with no issues but that was only in short bursts. Hope I stop blowing belts after this week
@@georgetweedie1231did you find a place to get bushings for your secondary?
@@saschadiedenhoven9977 a small local shop not sure where they order from two years ago now. After messing around with my clutches and rebuilding them both. I replaced the reverse ramps on the secondary and haven’t had any issues with belts or secondary opening up into a high gear while backing up.
What happened to floating secondary clutches where you never had to worry about alignment.
I haven't ever had a sled that had one of them but it sounds like a much better haha.
@@SwankyCatProductions My old Yamaha has it. The secondary will slide in and out about 1 inch or so. It just aligns itself with belt tension. I change my belt every 3 years. It works so well I'm surprised it wasn't more widely used. Seems to not exist anymore. Maybe there's a issue with it I haven't discovered yet.
Could just be cheaper to make them without that too I suppose. Sounds cool though. Beats changing belts 3 times a year lol
I have a Team Tied secondary on my 2012 M1100 Turbo and it uses a float plug for alignment.
The problem on the RR is that the 2 clutches aren't always perfectly parallel. I added a free float secondary piece from country cat and removed the shim as directed. I blew belts like crazy because under pressure the secondary was staying tight to the bearing housing. I put the shim back in and it seems better.
Plastic ramps are different for 2 stroke and 4 stroke. Your donor clutch probably came from a 2 stroke sled.
I think it came off an XF9000 but I would guess that's enough of a change in hp to require them to be different.
@@SwankyCatProductions The difference between the 2 types is because of reverse. 4 stroke has gears, but 2 stroke does not, they change the motors rotation with a switch. One type allows the clutch to be run in backwards, one does not.
they say the yamaha clutches work awsome on the 4Stroke yamaha engines and blown belts are never an issue
Mmm yeah I suppose they would!
So Arctic cat uses Yamaha engine but design their own clutch? Lol. Makes sense.
Which brand of belt do u prefer to run?
I've been using the Factory Arctic Cat belts.
Good enough you got a tow strap
Looking for a secondary clutch for my 2001 zr 600 efi. Please let me know if anyone has one
CFJ is at it again! theres a place in michigan that rebuilds those better than new called formula x 1 231 369 4300 if you have any more problems have a good one !
Yeah i might need to do that with mine... Bushings getting worn out
more material absorb more heat
Just buy an STM Torsional, problem solved...