X-Plane 11 Flight School #2 - Landings and Patterns
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2016
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The second installment of XP11 flight school! We land the 172 as well as fly a full pattern in Alaska.
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I had to chuckle 🤭 at your argument with your X11 instructor. Those of us who are real time pilots seem to all have problems flying “their way “ rather than the way we were taught and have always practiced the procedures at hand.Learning to fly their pattern drove me nuts 🥜 and I went back to flying my way (the proper way) as soon as I completed each segment.
"You're coming in too fast!!!!"
Jeff: "We're at idle bro..."
That's what she's said
Leonard Schofield lol
tutorial: you are going to fast
jeff: we are at idle bro
Throttle is used to climb/descend. Pitch controls your speed.
Damn I know you're really experienced but you are very hostile towards these training exercises lol.
Being totally new (1hr so far ) agree that the landing tutorial is cruel, Also find the plane has a really strong desire to turn left and would like to see that mentioned in your video and how to counter that.
Love it when someone makes a tutorial just to flex on everyone about how good they are.
Langdon Harris dude he’s doing the tutorial because he just got x-plane 11.
@@PWingert1966 That turn is actually a real-world consequence of the non-compensated torque produced by single-engine aircraft. Flying something like a Cessna actually requires some continued rudder input to counter the torque forces of the engine.
This is also why the rotors or turbines on multi-engine aircraft rotate in alternate directions. The torque forces are neutralized.
Over 3 years later and the X-Plane flight school tutorials have not been improved or enhanced in ANY way. As a new player I think Jeff was completely reasonable in criticism and not "very hostile" at all. "lol" They are poor in just about every way.
Well done! Great instruction. I'm new to XPlane and flying in general and it felt like the base leg was too far out. It was for me at least.
Hope to see the X-Plane videos keep coming! (:
If the tutorials are as bad as the landing one, it would be nice to see you just scrap the in games ones and do your own. Also, have you thought about getting trackir?
Jeff can you do a tutorial on how to start cold and dark
That is a good idea! I plan on extending this series beyond the in sim xplane 11 flight school ;)
Please do because you are 100% right, these lessons are terrible. They really do screw new players.
Jeff Favignano ok love your vids by the way
Jeff Favignano Hey nice video. To play the game and fly the planes do you have to have a joystick and that stuff or can you use your keyboard to fly cause I just got the beta today and I have no joystick. And I was wondering if could use the keyboard to fly
It is technically possible to fly using only a keyboard and mouse, but 99.9% of simers use some sort of aux controls. This is because it's so much easier to control the plane and much more relaistic. Grab yourself a basic usb joystick and have fun!
Nothing wrong with slipping a 172 with flaps in. Older 172s with 40 degrees of flaps had restrictions with full flaps but otherwise it's not an issue.
thank you for doing these videos Jeff.
Thanks for that, I was constantly messing up the landing tutorial, usually coming in too low and "landing" short of the runway. It would be better if, like you explained, they gave you air speeds to aim for to intersect the glide slope and then follow it down. There just isn't enough detail in the tutorials.
very good landing - and I actually learned something new. That rudder and turn to drop altitude but hold the plane steady was cool. Im just watching these for fun I already fly but now im going to continue to watch and see what other trucks you have
This was both an excellent vid and a frustrating one. Excellent commentary for the most part. Very good teacher. However I would like to give some feedback. Youre running through the tutorials for the game. I dont know how many times you had to advertise that you have had experience, and how wrong the sim was compared to real life. Tone it down a little and remember your audience. Sign out with a summary if you need to.
From experience people who constantly tell you how much they know don’t really know much at all. I have been using xplane for ages but wanted to see if this would make me learn anything I missed. The guy has a thing for saying he knows stuff, but I’ve been on planes like this one in the real world many times as a passenger and never heard a pilot say stuff like that... they just fly the plane, if that would just explain stuff.
Hey Jeff, really enjoying X-Plane so far!
It would be awesome if you and catstrator did a shared cockpit video again
Hi Jeff, thanks for making all these vids, great stuff. I have a little question. How did you get that pilot in the cockpit on the outside views? Normally the default cessna of X-Plane 11 comes without a pilot in the cockpit.
I asked the same question on their forums and the say it isn't possible unless you are familiar with planemaker and placing 3D objects in the cockpit. Is this is what you did and is it possible to distribute this to tohers?
Regards,
Eddy
Love your sarcasm as the "instructions" are being given.
Jeff. If you've seen it, how is Newark EWR in X-Plane 10? Its my home airport, and it's a pretty large one too.
I'm pretty new to flying. I know very little. Xplanes instruction on how to enter a traffic pattern was horrible. I'm glad you are able to fill in the gaps.
you got it brother, I will go over these things in detail as we move along with the flight school series!
I have a lot of experience with tail draggers under my belt. First of, its not over powered. Its not a heavy aircraft and iy has a big engine for the size so of course youll have more power output.
I'm no expert (and I've never flown a plane), but a 'big engine for the size' on a plane that's 'not a heavy plane' that'll 'have more power output' is my definition of 'over-powered'.
Jeff if you had the chance (and were licensed) would you co-pilot with Bruce Dickinson on Ed Force One?
just wondering why you keep putting in flaps outside of the white arch? in xp 11 that can rip your flaps off. lol.
Thanks for the demonstrations on X-Plane. I am new to all of this and would like your recommendations on gear; yoke, throttle and rudder pedals. I have been looking at the "Honeycomb" products which seem to be pretty nice. Thanks again for the video's.
I am new too. Honeycomb is very nice Like the 180 degree turn and plenty of buttons
jeff can you do a take off from lakeland linder florida airport and go to Miami international
Awesome thanks Jeff for teaching us even with the sim throwing curve balls at you.
When you use ailerons, don't you need to add some pitch to stop the nose from dropping? Or does the sim add that mix ?
that's great how the airfield has the arch on the runway like the real deal!
Hey maybe with the landing try a slam dunk approach to kill the altitude
Why does your plane keep moving to the right similar to a car whose wheels are out of alignment.
I had the same problem and ended up doing a forward slip, going against all my training, lol
yup haha, to be fair on my FAA checkride we did a forward slip with full flaps. He said would you ever do a slip with flaps even though the 172 tells you not to? My answer was absolutely YES in an emergency if I needed to lose altitude. He was happy with that and asked me to perform a slip with flaps.
Good vid Jeff, Subbed just for X-plane due to me training for my commercial pilots license. Few questions though. What the standard circuit height? Here in Australia is 1000ft. Also is the standard circuit pattern a right hand circuit? Here it's a left hand circuit with the turn starting at 45 degrees to the RW for downwind and base.
Thanks for the content.
I have always used 1000 AGL so if the field elevation is 532 ft we would shoot for 1500. I would use 1100 as the safety altitude before starting the crosswind of the the pattern.
In my opinion for single engine GA aircraft, it's best to overshoot the glide slope to give ample distance in case of an engine out. There is plenty of runway length, so it's not really much of an issue if you overshoot the landing markers. However, your experience flying a lot of heavy aircraft has probably encouraged slope approaches, which by all means is correct but unnecessary for smaller aircraft.
yes that is true, depends on how you want to train for landings. We always shot approaches on the 3.0 degree path probably to keep that in our heads for moving to IFR and bigger airplanes.
the white arc in velocimeter is for flaps. you dont put fplas if you are not in the white arc
keep them coming jeff!
Can you do a Fly With Me IRL again
when I get the chance yes
Thanks Jeff again for the video! It again taught me a lot, such as the pattern and what now. Also what would you rather be, a Commercial Pilot, or Cargo?
Commercial definitely
And by the way Jeff. I am still watching the video. :)
Cargo all the way, boxes don't complain
Jeff Favignano you would never hear them say shit. So tell us the real reason..?
The next one would be PAJN or JNU. Not bad. Too bad they screwed up KSEA approach altitude.
Ya another one 😂😀😀 i love your x plane series
can you do a flight from Columbus to grand rapids Michigan?
When you get on the glideslope how do you know what verticals speed to keep to stay on the glideslope?
You don’t you just follow it, the VSI gauge is very inaccurate anyway
I'm new to this and I have to use a mouse because I dont have a yolk
:( and I cant take off or land and i cant even keep it stable.
So either I can listen to the simulator or Papa Jeff, I think I'm going to listen to Jeff for training...
Hi, I have downloaded xplane 11 but flight schol is not visible anywhere. Can someone suggest how to check for flight school?
Hey jeff try to do more of my summer car it is a great game
Next video could you do some American truck sim
Awesome Video Jeff.
Thanks buddy :)
wow what great timing i just finished the first flight school
very cool man!
Jeff Favignano u remind me of my dad u are both intrested in aviation and have pilots licences and the the funny thing is we live in St. louis too.
jeff have u tried to play heart of iron
Wth is off-road ratio? Taking off with the taildragger always gets me 0% for off-road ratio, though my take off is perfect (100%) for the other three…
what software do you record with, I don't like the software that comes with X-Plane
When your downwind you make your turn to base leg when your 45 degrees to the runway, when do you turn to final ? is there a gauge for that?
you turn to final just before you cross the runway. picture the centerline of the runway going on infinitely, you want to turn final at a point where you won't over shoot or under shoot that line, it's really just a visual thing, no real gauge for it
you should do a short little flight, Like from St. Louis to Indy, or Vegas to L.A. or some northeast airports like Philly to Burlington. (Just want to see how the game look/works in different, fairly routine' flights)
Check out ontheglideslope his vids and sim are sick.
does he use x-plane?
Yep. He switched not too long ago (I think for good) and has been putting out a lot of videos, as well as uploading custom airstrips, Ortho scenery, etc... Dude must not sleep, ha.
I had to check out UA-cam tutorials to check my sanity doing the landing challenge, thank you for the validation on the altitude being too high lol
I'd typed in a thanks for making these introductory vids for those of us who really are completely new to this. But now I'm taking it back. ha You're way ahead of me, so my search for real introductory vids continues. Why the rush in the delivery? You must be in talk radio. ;-)
What's a Vassi light, or piano keys? Where is it red over white? You use a lot of terminology that us newbies have no idea what you mean.
That was an awesome lesson. Thx!>
Thanks for the tutorials!!! I love it. Yea, that’s so brutal for beginners. I landed with 30% 😂 but I am still confused with flaps
You can do it!
Jeff, would you recommend the F.L.Y. 5 joystick by Cyborg for beginners?
anything is better than keyboard or controller. I learned with a Logitech 3D Pro
Even though I know how to do all these they are still very helpful
Hey Jeff, interesting look...well maybe XPlane 11 being in Beta they will get the feedback to tweak the flight school...when you were getting your Pvt ticket did your CFI teach you 1000 feet AGL for pattern or the 750 for recip & 1000 for turbine? (granted PAJN may have different Altitudes for local conditions but...) If it was me in the right seat I'd brief the objective PRIOR to activating the lesson (IAS on Climb-out, target altitude & power setting(s) so the student who is drinking from the fire-hose has a clue in case they miss a text box...too bad the virtual CFI doesn't have a "Say Again" key to display last text box...just my 2 cents
yep we did 1000 AGL. I agree with everything you said, it would be nice to brief similar to how you would before you ever move the airplane.
Pitch trim set for take off? What's that?
Is there a basic explanation as to why the plane wants to turn left while on the runway when trying to take off?
gamerx9191 Yes, the engine and prop are effectively a huge gyroscope and if you've ever played with one you'll know that they resist any change so in an aircraft starting to roll you experience that resistance as a push to the left. If the engine turned the prop in the opposite direction you'd feel a push to the right.
That makes sense, thank you :)
yup we call this pfactor as well as torque
this article explains it pretty well. www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/4-left-turning-tendencies/
That great article explains it a lot better, this is just the way my instructor explained torque to me, and I found the analogy helped a lot: It's the electric drill. You pick up the drill and squeeze the trigger - the drill bit spins freely. Then you mark your spot and press the drill against the wall and squeeze the trigger again. This time the drill tries to twist your hand because the drill bit is encountering resistance from the wall. That's what's happening to the plane - the blades are pushing air out of the way, that resistance acts as a force to roll the plane in the opposite direction (counter clockwise from the pilot's view). Adding more throttle is like pushing the drill deeper - there's more resistance, so the opposing force tries to roll your plane harder.
Don't get too caught in the fine print, it's just to help visualize what's happening. It helped me get used to the practicality of it when flying rather than just "learning it". :)
What gear are you using are you using a joystick or keyboard?
Im a noob but how do you reduce throttle?
"We're gonna climb out at 74, just for them.... don't know why" What are you talking about? 74 is Vy, best rate of climb. 74 to 1000 then 75-85 for cruise climb. Never flown a Cessna before? Try reading the manual sometime.
6th and how did you get XP11 global?
more czp?
Why does the runway look "curved" ? I thought I had some settings on, but it doesn't look flat.
Runways usually aren’t flat in the real world, they have elevation changes
Ok, sorry for the noob question :P
Jeff in ATS are you still getting red LOD textures on a few AI vehicles and signs?
yes
10-4 there
What are the lights you mention at 13:50 I don't see them at all
RandeepB Same here...any chance you can explain where those red over white lights are?
I was wondering the same thing, but I found out what they were. They're called VASI lights, and they are the 2 lights on the green square of grass to the left of the runway. If you look closely the furthest one (the top one) turns pink-ish at around 14:40, which I believe is the 'red over white' he's talking about.
RandeepB adding onto what Koshums said, white means you are too high for the approach and red means you are too low for the approach.
KSEA.. Drive by there every day.
Could you fly in Australia?
Rivva yes
But the game isnt out yet right? Or is This Some kind of closed beta
it's a public beta
do more
Love This
3rd?
Please, Jeff, show me your XP11 settings. I cant get more than 15fps and i have i7 3770 3.4ghz, r9 280 3gb, 16gbram 1600 and hdd 7200 rpm. Any ideia? I have XP11 settings with no shadows, maximum objects, 4x saa faa antialising, high textures and hdr set.
my first look video had all of that in the beginning. I went through showing how to gain FPS :)
Thanks, now i got 22 fps, too much better for while.. thanks.
Jeff Favignano do you still police rp on ps4 I'm legit if I can join
fantastic, yeah I am still waiting for the optimized version.
Do pilots always use trim during takeoff
yes
My problem with your instruction style is you've assumed a bunch of knowledge, (which the game did not) so ailerons, and flaps were mentioned, but you didn't tell us how to do it, which differs from the first video. You also mention the glide slope but don't show us how to identify it.
The reason you were so high on that landing is because the game said to nose down so the runway is ABOVE the glare shield. It TOLD you to descend immediately, you just didn't do it.
Why does it actually turn left when you apply the throttle?
Jeremiah Jefferson Bunyan because the propeller is rotating to the left.
Ahh thanks
Jeremiah Jefferson Bunyan It's called P-Factor It has to do with the angle of the propeller blade.
Hey jeff
This is also a issue in xplane 10 on mobile
Robro03 yea
Those were most certainly words.
That pop up that you missed was lower altitude to 1100 feet
Finally
3rd X-Plane 11 video and 2nd one this week.
What a 172 "should" do on takeoff is 74 kts. I have no idea where you're getting 80 from...
I am getting 80 from flight school
Jeff Favignano All teachers teach it differently. I seem to remember 64/65 from my training..and technically, 65 is Vx, so you would use that in most normal climbouts. That being said, Vy ranges from about 69 to 79 kts, depending upon altitude, so if you're following that number, 74 would be the median.
Absolutely, we would use Vy when we were aiming for it but normal takeoff was always 80 knots on departure. Same when I flew the 182T.
Jeff Favignano Where were you flying out of?
KALN with a flight school by the name of Langa Air Flight Academy
thats called tuch and go
How do you pause in flight?
Press "p"
@@anthonybruce3482 That's too easy, thanks
I was always told 74 kts
Red on white, I'm alright, White on white, im too high, Red on Red, Ill be dead!
The most common thing I have heard from real pilots, priveate/commercial, etc are you wouldn't do this in case of failure. For all Flight Sims. Haha
getting close to 950,000 then 400,000
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What game do I buy this game or FSX
Probably this or prepar3d both are constantly being updated prepar uses the fsx engine but Lockheed Martin is slowly making the engine much better In a lot of ways and it's 64bit which fsx was not.
P3D isn't 64 bit. Not yet. Unconfirmed rumors that version 4 will be though.
god I love you so much,
love you too :)
Youre ready to do some bush flying, "I don't know about that...." hahaha
LOL
R.I.P. John Glenn!! He was 95.
he did great things for space travel and aviation in general. R.I.P John Glenn have a good flight to the big place in the sky *salutes*
You complain ALOT about the flight pattern, the altitude or the way they instruct you with their messages. You were distracted by the scenery when the message popped up telling you to climb to 1100ft.
Trees look terrible in Xplane! 🙈
^Last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder....
😂😂😂
to many bad comments on the flying . RF