Bought this set and and confirm its extremely comfortable. Had the Rukka Kingsley and found it extremely uncomfortable. Sold it and got this one instead and its NIGHT AND DAY difference comfort vice. So far this one has kept me completely dry even in heavy rain.
Hello from Spain. How the Rukka Kemi performs over the Halvarssons Naren+Lagan suit. I'm in the market for buy one of this suits, but..rukka? halvarssons? The 6 guarantee years of rukka are very interesting...but...both suits are comparables? Thanks in advance.
Im a fan of Goretex, had gloves and boots, never let me down. Its interesting to see that Rukka now , like others, (Alpinestars and Dianese for example) are creating similar gear in there ranges, one Goretex, the other another brand of membrane with very different price points. I do wonder if manufacturers are realising that other membranes are very close to ( or maybe better) then Goretex without having to pay the premium to use it and the name. Those that have used Goretex for years (Rukka, Dianese, Alpinestars, Richa etc) will certainly have learned what they need to do to make the garment work. What i do find odd is Rukka dont appear, from what i can see, to have published anywhere the membrane theyre using or the spec.
I tried to get the membrane info from Rukka. The sent me to the UK importer who had no idea. I then spoke to a supplier who managed to find the info on a label with the jacket 25k water 20k breathability pretty much the same as standard Gore tex. I have bought one!
the thing about the Kemi that attracts me (and others like me I'm sure) is the fact that I already have the thermal liner and the back protector and don't want chest protectors. So I can get a RUKKA suit for way less because I already have all that other stuff. The GOR promise is a serious argument however. Knowing I could replace the GOR product forever vs only 6yrs on the Kemi does make me pause...but realistically I don't ride in the rain too often so the odds of me 'calling in the favor' in 8yrs is very small. I think this is the target audience of the Kemi but could be way off the mark. As always, I love your videos and thank you so much for your knowledge!
Does the jacket include a specific pocket suitable for a front chest protector? On the official website, the jacket is referred to as the "Armatou-R" and not "Kemi." Could you confirm whether these are different models or if it’s a renaming of the same product? Lastly, are the zippers waterproof? I usually find the jackets material is waterproof, but after having water pool near your crouch area, it seeps through the zipper Thank you for your detailed insights and looking forward to your response!
Great review Chris, have now confirmed that it’s going to be a new Kemi jacket for me, I loved the cost comparison with the Nivala v Kemi, I’m only a seasoned rider & so the Kemi will no doubt be a good acquisition for me (& the Nivala doesn’t even have the ‘R’ on the back lol. Too notch review cheers 👍
Yes, I also watched Mork and Mindy’s most excellent and entertaining review, but their style is usually more knockabout; they don’t usually come out with technical stuff, so I need to check this information at source. The one thing I would say is that another non-Gore brand recently quoted these exact same scores to me, so it may indeed be that there is such a membrane out there. I will be checking, and then confirming the situation when I know more. CP
Its a fact RUKKA know a thing or two about putting a suit together but I'd say its a very brave move to move away from Gore-Tex. I spend lots of time outdoors, walking fishing and obviously biking, and over time have worked out if you want to stay dry many if not all other waterproof membranes always come up short on their promise to keep you dry. Gore-Tex is yet to let me down where evrythig else has come up short, spectacularly. If anyone is going to get this right it will be RUKKA, but only time will tell.
@@Motolegends It may well come down to expectation and price point. RUKKA make the best gear bar none, all be at a cost, but for many bikers its overkill, at this lower peice point lighter usage may be the order of the day and Gore Tex unnecessary. I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Agree. I think they're quietly confident with this product. They rarely put a foot wrong as they have the reputation for the best kit, so this looking very promising@@markmundy3435
1. **Innovation and Competition**: With the expiration of Gore-Tex patents, other companies have been free to develop their own waterproof and breathable materials, fostering innovation and competition in the market. This has led to improved technologies and alternatives that may offer better value or performance. 2. **Environmental Concerns**: The shift from using problematic chemicals like PTFE (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is associated with environmental and health issues, to more sustainable materials aligns with a growing consumer demand for environmentally responsible products. Gore-Tex's move to using safer materials like expanded polyethylene and polyurethane, which other companies had already been using, highlights this trend. 3. **Cost-Effectiveness**: With alternatives often being cheaper and sometimes more effective, consumers have more options that may better meet their specific needs without paying a premium for a brand name. This makes the market more competitive and can drive down prices. 4. **Market Dynamics**: Gore-Tex once dominated the market through aggressive business practices and patent control, which stifled competition. Now, with a more open market, other brands are proving capable of producing comparable or superior products without the need for such practices.
Eye watering numbers ££££😢 ,great for those that ride in all weather’s it’s no good for me ,buying one I’d never see the full benefits of it’s quality,
Bought this set and and confirm its extremely comfortable. Had the Rukka Kingsley and found it extremely uncomfortable. Sold it and got this one instead and its NIGHT AND DAY difference comfort vice. So far this one has kept me completely dry even in heavy rain.
If RUKKA said it’s waterproof , then it’s waterproof, confirmed by their 6 years warranty.
£2450 for Nivlia jacket, lol.
You got your price wrong again. But excellent video as aways.
Going to buy Nivalia this week.
Thanks for info.
Hello from Spain. How the Rukka Kemi performs over the Halvarssons Naren+Lagan suit. I'm in the market for buy one of this suits, but..rukka? halvarssons? The 6 guarantee years of rukka are very interesting...but...both suits are comparables? Thanks in advance.
Yet another brilliant, informative video. Keep up the good work guys
Im a fan of Goretex, had gloves and boots, never let me down. Its interesting to see that Rukka now , like others, (Alpinestars and Dianese for example) are creating similar gear in there ranges, one Goretex, the other another brand of membrane with very different price points. I do wonder if manufacturers are realising that other membranes are very close to ( or maybe better) then Goretex without having to pay the premium to use it and the name. Those that have used Goretex for years (Rukka, Dianese, Alpinestars, Richa etc) will certainly have learned what they need to do to make the garment work. What i do find odd is Rukka dont appear, from what i can see, to have published anywhere the membrane theyre using or the spec.
I tried to get the membrane info from Rukka. The sent me to the UK importer who had no idea. I then spoke to a supplier who managed to find the info on a label with the jacket
25k water
20k breathability
pretty much the same as standard Gore tex. I have bought one!
Motolegends should know
the thing about the Kemi that attracts me (and others like me I'm sure) is the fact that I already have the thermal liner and the back protector and don't want chest protectors. So I can get a RUKKA suit for way less because I already have all that other stuff. The GOR promise is a serious argument however.
Knowing I could replace the GOR product forever vs only 6yrs on the Kemi does make me pause...but realistically I don't ride in the rain too often so the odds of me 'calling in the favor' in 8yrs is very small.
I think this is the target audience of the Kemi but could be way off the mark. As always, I love your videos and thank you so much for your knowledge!
Do u work in RUKKA PR department?
@@Vjekoslav-vf3hr no?
@@cloud9847 I do not belive u 😀
@@Vjekoslav-vf3hr you don't have to?
Does the jacket include a specific pocket suitable for a front chest protector?
On the official website, the jacket is referred to as the "Armatou-R" and not "Kemi." Could you confirm whether these are different models or if it’s a renaming of the same product?
Lastly, are the zippers waterproof? I usually find the jackets material is waterproof, but after having water pool near your crouch area, it seeps through the zipper
Thank you for your detailed insights and looking forward to your response!
If it hasn’t got a gore tex membrane, then what has it got please….is it defo laminated or does it soak up the water like my Dainese Carvemaster 3.
As I said in the review, it has a 3-layer membrane; just not a Gore-Tex one. CP.
@@Motolegendswhich one does it have than?
Great review Chris, have now confirmed that it’s going to be a new Kemi jacket for me, I loved the cost comparison with the Nivala v Kemi, I’m only a seasoned rider & so the Kemi will no doubt be a good acquisition for me (& the Nivala doesn’t even have the ‘R’ on the back lol.
Too notch review cheers 👍
So.... when will u buy it?
Kemi 20k and 25k rating I thought. Good looking jacket.
Yes, I also watched Mork and Mindy’s most excellent and entertaining review, but their style is usually more knockabout; they don’t usually come out with technical stuff, so I need to check this information at source. The one thing I would say is that another non-Gore brand recently quoted these exact same scores to me, so it may indeed be that there is such a membrane out there. I will be checking, and then confirming the situation when I know more. CP
@@Motolegendscan Rukka provide independent body certificate for (Kemi) membrane test?
@@Vjekoslav-vf3hr best of luck on that one. Apparently they don't know even though it is on the jacket 😅
@@deanforway3318 😀😀
2 mo have passed. No answer
Its a fact RUKKA know a thing or two about putting a suit together but I'd say its a very brave move to move away from Gore-Tex. I spend lots of time outdoors, walking fishing and obviously biking, and over time have worked out if you want to stay dry many if not all other waterproof membranes always come up short on their promise to keep you dry. Gore-Tex is yet to let me down where evrythig else has come up short, spectacularly. If anyone is going to get this right it will be RUKKA, but only time will tell.
Yes, I agree. It might be a mistake, if this damages their name. But they may be trying to make the brand more accessible. Only time will tell. CP
@@Motolegends It may well come down to expectation and price point. RUKKA make the best gear bar none, all be at a cost, but for many bikers its overkill, at this lower peice point lighter usage may be the order of the day and Gore Tex unnecessary. I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Agree. I think they're quietly confident with this product. They rarely put a foot wrong as they have the reputation for the best kit, so this looking very promising@@markmundy3435
1. **Innovation and Competition**: With the expiration of Gore-Tex patents, other companies have been free to develop their own waterproof and breathable materials, fostering innovation and competition in the market. This has led to improved technologies and alternatives that may offer better value or performance.
2. **Environmental Concerns**: The shift from using problematic chemicals like PTFE (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is associated with environmental and health issues, to more sustainable materials aligns with a growing consumer demand for environmentally responsible products. Gore-Tex's move to using safer materials like expanded polyethylene and polyurethane, which other companies had already been using, highlights this trend.
3. **Cost-Effectiveness**: With alternatives often being cheaper and sometimes more effective, consumers have more options that may better meet their specific needs without paying a premium for a brand name. This makes the market more competitive and can drive down prices.
4. **Market Dynamics**: Gore-Tex once dominated the market through aggressive business practices and patent control, which stifled competition. Now, with a more open market, other brands are proving capable of producing comparable or superior products without the need for such practices.
Eye watering numbers ££££😢 ,great for those that ride in all weather’s it’s no good for me ,buying one I’d never see the full benefits of it’s quality,