Sacrifices to the Church of Nintendo
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2021
- 40 years ago Nintendo saved the video game industry. Now, it’s up to Nintendo’s fans to save themselves.
Please direct all complaints to the office of Max Greenroom; CEO of Emp Industries. I take no personal responsibility for any negative outcomes you may experience during the course of this presentation. The blame lies, as always, on my evil management. A few bad-apple lawyers, too.
Edit: The pie chart at 16:07 is reversed; UA-camrs normally get a 55-45 share with UA-cam.
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nintendo could club baby seals and the fans would think it’s promo for ice climbers 2
Wait, you're telling me that video wasn't a Nintendo advertisement? Uh oh...
Dont give them ideas
this is the best comment I've seen so far
For some reason, I played Ice Climbers with a seal and I have no idea that hitting yetis existed.
#YetiLivesMatter
Not gonna lie. That would pique my interest.
The most ridiculous petty thing I remember Nintendo doing was when they forced the Internet Archive to take down scans of Nintendo Power magazines. The free online availability of those old magazines, which ceased publication going on nine years ago, posed literally no meaningful threat to their intellectual property whatsoever. But nope, Nintendo Power is ©Nintendo, which means the only legal way to observe these pieces of gaming history is to purchase some guy's soggy, ripped old pages that were sitting in his attic. An act of purchase which, by the way, doesn't net Nintendo a single cent. Just a pathetic action on Nintendo's part.
iTs WiThIN ThEIr leGaL riGHt tHO1!!
They even got to the Internet Archive?? Over Nintendo Power?!? Hosting a copy of Nintendo Power online literally does nothing to the company, and they saw the need to remove it anyways. That's nuts.
@@victorsantiago8953 The Archive has referred to the game maker before as rhyming with "Nofriendo"
@@Reiman33 And yet other companies haven't lost their copyright despite allowing modding and archiving of their older titles, curious.
@@Reiman33 That is not true in the slightest.
nintendo gotta be one of the only companies that actually fucking hates its customers
prob racist against the west, just think about if for a moment.
Games workshop hates us too
EA begs... Actually no but still, I think EA is worse.
Tbf no big company actually cares about its customers. If they could sell your mom into slavery for good money and it wouldn't cause any backlash or legal issues they'd do it in a heartbeat.
But I don't think Nintendo has contempt for its consumers like a lot of AAA game companies (EA, Activision, Bethesda, etc). I think it's a stubborness and a cultural thing. They do shitty things so blatently for the bottom line.
I actually think Nintendo really cares about how it appears to its fans and bc of that they end up hurting them ironically trying to control that appearance with an iron fist and fearing anything that they seem risky.
Most other companies just don’t care at all, but Nintendo actively tries to piss them off their loyal followers
And then UA-cam got rid of the visibility of the dislike ratio because large companies like Nintendo got butthurt that people were able to publicly show their opinions on how crappy the company is currently being.
Uh no, is more to scummy or obviously bad UA-camrs that whine to UA-cam for it to be not visible or maybe UA-cam just decide to pull a Nintendo and fuck every right person and help out the wrong person by accident. Atleast they can see the dislikes.
That’s true yes
@@dankcatsmemes9219 are you agreeing with him or to me?
The got rid of the dislike button because of the last election.
oof
Emulation doesn't hurt Nintendo
But I really wish it did
Based
You know what would hurt them? Destroying switches before they make it to the store. Y'know, making the cargo container "accidentally" fall off the boat or something
@@slowdriver6868 Hell yeah let's do it
Boycott the switches then stash em away
Hold em hostage and you get more milage
@@notarealspy4090 hold them at gun point until they tell who their boss is
Fans: "Can I please buy this game?"
Nintendo: "No."
Fans: "You don't want my money?"
Nintendo: "No."
Fans: "Okay... I guess I'll have to just emula-"
Nintendo: "NO! THAT'S STEALING!"
Fans: "FINE I'LL JUST MAKE MY OWN FAN GAMES."
Nintendo: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Nintendo:"cease and desist!"
Fan:"FINE I'LL JUST MAKE MY OWN GAME"
Nintendo:
@@younggamer7218 Seems fair to me. Make your own game then.
@@Kaboomboo yeah
@@Kaboomboo if you're implying that I should have to exist in a world without Waluigi's Taco Stand, I'm going to have to disagree
Distributing of IP is not as praicy.
It's funny how this video is about Nintendo being anti-consumer and fans being willfully oblivious to it, yet Pokemon is barely mentioned. They could hand out a bottle of dishwater with a Pikachu picture on top and their fans would defend it to their graves
At least with stuff like LoA, they're showing that they're listening and growing, and this is when you take into account that sword and shield made a lot of money, so they didn't just do it because of a financial deficit. Still dislike game freak, but Nintendo is worse.
emplemon probably didnt want to make an 8 hour video
Simultaneously Pokémon fans will endlessly complain about every single new generation. Too similar, and game freak/Nintendo are lazy shills who just hash the same product over and over again. Too different, and game freak/Nintendo are destroying the franchise by losing sight of their roots and blah blah blah.
@@dinodonut5776 the only reason why gamefreak doesn’t put more effort is cause they can’t it would take too much time as these games cycles are shorter than they’re in the glory days and it explains why the corners are being cut
@@dinodonut5776 The real problem is like The people who buy the merch, goto events, play all the games are kid fans. Since kids are easier to market and impress. Nintendo intentionally gives worse deals for their older audience simply cause they'll accept it. Pretty easy to be taken advantage of when you let it happen
Nintendo fans are the type to call disney adults crazy but fail to see any irony
A lot of the tome they’re the same people
id bet disney would take down star wars 4k77 or 4k80 or 4k83 if given the chance, Dont you dare tell them about that fan project and be a good disney princess, id bet disney would take them down just like nintendo took down all the fan projects and games, the only diffrence between us star wars fans and nintendo fans is that we try to make disney unaware of our fan restorations in order to make sure that people can use them for generations. nintendo fans and Call Of Duty fans should do the same (looking at you sm2)
Tommy Cyck the Seal😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤
nintendo chooses quite possibly the worst hills to die on. every. time.
And they still win usually because too many of their fans either lack a spine or are literal 10 year olds.
@@four-en-tee And an army of lawyers that Rival Disney
it sucks. on one hand, they do still do great things. the bad news is, they are also stuck on draconian laws, and like you said, choose the worst hills to die on.
as a nintendo fan, i feel like it's my duty to call them out on the shit they do like all of you do. because i *want* the already good, to be better.
the fact that they arent the worst, even with the shit they pull, shouldnt excuse them from the shit they still pull.
@@cryamistellimek9184 "Yes, well I have 10 high priced lawyers!"
*Nintendo presses a button to reveal their lawyers behind a hidden door*
@@four-en-tee And it saddens me.
Nowadays so many companies have gone to a route of scumbaggery to highest degrees...
But somehow Nintendo will get by with it.
Helen Parr: “Whether it’s fair or not, that’s the law.”
Bob Parr: “The law _should_ be fair.”
The law is there to serve the people, NOT FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE THE LAW
People say shit like this and then refuse to vote, organize, protest, or pressure their elected representatives… shit don’t change until you get up and wash your ass!
@@machiel5888 Kendrick unmatched
The law should also protect fairness.
lobbying is why shid dont change.
Here we are again 7 months later. Nintendo shuts down GilvaSunner and then throws out a Direct announcement barely a week later. Utter nonesense.
Not defending Nintendo but the shut down was from a Nintendo imposter.
@@spongeman3090 That's bullshit. I've heard that theory thrown around before with so many things and I've never believed a second of it. It's like fanboys tried to blame some mysterious "troll" because they didn't want to consider the possibility that the oh-so-mighty Nintendo would do such a thing. It's the product of fanboys in denial, and I'm sick of hearing it. Not saying you're a fanboy, I just wanted to try and speak up about that claim.
Also, UA-cam themselves confirmed on Twitter that it was the real Nintendo that filed those copyright claims.
@@spongeman3090 I don't mean no hate, but it was Nintendo
@@NoName-oz3gj Oh.
Nintendo be like: You have to pay for a game in order to listen to its’ songs, we will not tolerate reuploading them!
You should have mentioned what happened to Mario Royale. Nintendo attacked it as per usual for fangames, but when the dev decided to revamp it using original assets (DMCA Royale), they came back and forced him to shut it down entirely. Then the Mario 35th direct came along, revealing that they copied his idea for a limited-time release.
It’s among the most disgusting things the company has done in their history of anti-consumerism, and I still get angry thinking about it.
How did they pressure him? With a lawsuit? Im assuming he couldve won but its not worth the struggle to hire lawyers etc.
This kind of thing hasn't been isolated to Nintendo. We were robbed for a long time.
Reminds me of how dc made superman be more similar to captain marvel (now known as shazam) and then used it as evidence to claim that shazam was a ripoff of superman and by this legal bullshit they were able to sucessfully steal his trademark and put the creators out of business
oh yeah, fuck Nintendo for that. it's honestly shit like this that makes me hate them as a company
The game is still up though ??
i really hate how nintendo doesn't make their game soundtracks readily available but will issue copyright strikes to anyone reuploading them to youtube. it's within their rights to do that but it's pretty crappy to make them as difficult to purchase and hear as possible.
ikr The only "legitimate" way to listen to Nintendo's music scores is through their very limited CD releases. Mind you, these releases are far from readily available, given that they are special edition runs through Nintendo Power/Club Nintendo catalogs. Used/new-old stock of Nintendo CD soundtracks are stupid expensive. On the other hand, music companies have plenty of movie soundtracks available to download digitally, and even at my local Sunrise Records they're practically giving them away because nobody buys them.
I mean if they released game soundtracks even as digital-only purchases, I’d wager that they’d make some profit off of that. I am no economist. But still, I mean come on, you’re missing out on a profit there, Nintendo. Not to mention how scummy their current practice is.
it's even worse with earthbound. sony owns the rights to the soundtracks of the first two mother games, and since sony is notoriously more stingy than nintendo when it comes to music, people lately have been getting videos or even entire channels taken down just for having earthbound music. if nintendo owned the rights to the soundtrack, it would still be crappy for sure, but at least it'd be merciful in comparison to sony's death sentences.
For real.
It’s only within their rights under the law.
It is always morally justified to pirate old Nintendo games
morally sure but depending on your country you could end up with huge fines or going to prison.
@@KeinNiemand what police department would waste its time going after someone who pirated Zombies Ate My Neighbor for the Super Nintendo?
All nintendo games*
It is always morally justified to pirate*
@@punishedtubnub4762 and to those who think Piracy is "plain stealing" are just middle-high class adults or kids who never experienced how lower, poorer, or 3rd world country people play expensive games like they had, or how pricey it is to own a console and a game at the same time while providing food for your family
Gilvasunner got axed, Gary Bower got thrown in jail, and the Eshop announced its shutdown all within a few weeks. At the same time, they made a direct to shut people up.
My God, this video is the finest of wines.
@@M64bros I didn't say anything about Iwata?
@@M64bros
Actually it was confirmed by UA-cam that it WAS Nintendo that took down Gilvasunner
M64bros will make a fine sacrifice to the church of Nintendo
@@lennyb9286 pretty flashy for an NFL dude. Do you have a job?
@@M64bros how does that boot taste
Nintendo is the epitome of “you’re having fun wrong“.
Yeah im pretty sure "this is not how you're supposed to play the game" is a sakurai quote
@@jezze2293 yeah Sakurai is a genius in certain ways but an moron in others. if it wasn't for the power of nostalgia and intellectual property Smash Bros would be no wear near the success it is
meanwhile i'm over here like "screw you, i'll have fun however i want."
I remember how Nintendo compared doing a Pokémon nuzlocke to pirating the game.
@@karaltar7914 Yeah, I also remember that was completely and factually disproven as a confirmed miscommunication to its staff on the part of Nintendo.
It still shouldn't have ever happened however.
It's actually incredible how hard Nintendo has tried to kill smash competitively, but *ultimately* failed.
That's the funny thing about Nintendo. You can understand the immoral behavior when it would generate profit for them. That at least makes logical sense and its understandable that a company might think it would better meet its obligation to shareholders by prioritizing short term profit vs long term customer goodwill. But in some cases its like they are trying to actively avoid making money. Other than the competitive scene, virtual console is a great example. People would gladly buy games through that at $5-a piece if Nintendo allowed it. I guess at the end of the day Nintendo doesn't respond to its customers or to what makes financial sense, but history has shown they respond to competition. Hopefully Steam Deck emulation will convince them to bring VC to Switch like they did with BT audio. If competition from Valve doesn't convince them, nothing will.
I get it. "Ultimately" failed.
@@JohnSmith-vn8dm "Let's destroy our free advertisement and get most off our side"
The irony is they've admitted that. Nintendo has finally caved to at least sanction their own competitive support.
not even smash ultimate competitive being basically a pedophile ring can stop it.
"I'd quote tweet you but i'm afraid you'd ask for royalties" is officially the best post on twitter
Yes
And its hbomberguy no less
@@ankleblad4727 thus why it is based
that should never be a statement concept but the fact that it is is worrying
@@aizunaizu6755 he's cringe tho. One mildly-funny tweet doesn't change that.
this aged well
it will probably age well for at least 5 years
can't exaclty age when the topic stays relevant forever.
@@Gustavozxd13 But it’s not going to stay relevant forever. Nintendo has improved over the years. Honestly, many things in this video aged badly from the start.
@@TheLegoMaster261 They really haven't. It's 2023 and we still see them treating their customers like dirt.
Then again, judging by your username, you're not the best person to argue this with.
@@SparkstarScope Nintendo is not perfect, but they develop every game with the player's enjoyment as the top priority and has listened to fan feedback when developing BOTW, for instance. That's not a company I would accuse of treating their customers liker dirt.
EmpLemon is not even a Nintendo fan, called every Switch owner pathetic, and only made this video because he was salty he got ridiculed over a twitter argument that he himself instigated. I don't think he's the best person to argue this with either.
@@TheLegoMaster261 the last couple of pokemon games were a buggy mess, and nintendo got rewarded with that by having the best sales on release in the series' history. As a company they'll treat fans like dirt, sell overpriced shit like cardboard and fans will continue to defend them no matter what terrible shit nintendo does. They publish good games, but that's about it. As a company they'll do the bare minimum and treat fans like garbage because they KNOW nintendo fans are too dumb to notice it.
It’s always morally acceptable to emulate games
Even more so if the company doesn’t want you to
Especially if it's Nintendo and you don't own them
And if its no longer in distributed/accessible by the company who originally own it
emulate a big company's games all you want but its down right deplorable to emulate an indie studios game
I would argue otherwise. Emulation of games is the last resort, when it's either very expensive or very hard to get a game you want. That's why retro games are pirated so often, especially with old consoles breaking down or just downright not working.
>It’s always morally acceptable to emulate games
That's equivalent to saying that game developers shouldn't exist. Only rich hobbyists with lots of free time should ever be allowed to make games and we have to reinforce that by making it literally impossible to earn money through games.
That's actually an attitude people had to some arts and sports in the past. People looked down on professional athletes for making money off their sports.
Hearing "That's how the law works!" from the UA-cam Copyright School video gave me Vietnam flashbacks.
@Imperion 02 namm man
You mean Viacom flashbacks?
Make another video bro
Munkey Jones
I'm starting to wonder if people don't realize you can have flashbacks without having Vietnam PTSD. The phrase "Vietnam flashbacks" is so weird.
Yeah SEGA's better
hehe
this topic is mega awesome
The mad lad is here.
Bonus Video?
Your MOTHER is better, lol gottem!
I think the hardest pill to swallow in this situation is that Sakurai isn’t as great as we made him out to be.
Yeah he was really worshipped like a god and put on a pedestal. He's not that great of a guy tbh.
He's just a human. Just like how Nintendo is just a company.
I think "being a brilliant mind doesn't excuse you on being an asshole" is a good motto you should follow
Hes an excellent developer and director but it doesn't excuse him on allowing all this shit from happening.
“hardest pill”
that would also put the blame on people that put him up in the first place.
Yeah ive gone from "Nintendo is in the right" to "Nintendo is a bit overkill, but you shouldn't pirate their games out of principle" to"pirate Nintendo games at every opportunity"
The redemption arc
you raise some good points, but i'm just gonna keep on doing it with their older games out of spite for them.
@@questioningexsistance4624ok this is just false
I remember when I was younger I hated yahtzee croshaw's reviews of nintendo games. Where he would dismiss nintendo fans as idiots who refused to see reasonable criticism. Now i've realized i was the fanboy and yahtzee was ahead of his time.
As much as I love SSBB, Yahtzee's review of it is one of my favorites he's done, it was so ahead of it's time that when i first saw it like a year ago I couldn't believe it was made in 2008
More like you’ve devolved so much to the point where you excuse the ignorant stereotypes and insults from a man child.
@@TheLegoMaster261 LMAO
@@TheLegoMaster261 bruh your name is literally donkey kong fan
Nintendo fans are so easy. They're like the hardcore disney fans. When I say Nintendo fans btw I mean the 100% blind bias ones who revolve their entire personality and life around "Nintendo". I myself an also a nintendo fan so don't try and kill me by saying this lol.
EmpLemon if this video has taught me anything it's that Twitter will somehow play a role in the death of humanity. The downward spiral hits close to home these days
Twitter is just people expressing their opinions and other people getting mad about those opinions differing from theirs. Its bad.
@@MacenW Eh, I'm sure this whole Twitter outrage thing's a fad.
@@vinniehatcher664 i hope that it is, and that it's going out of fashion soon.
I don't think the word Twitter was spoken once in this entire video, what are you talking about?
@@Harmonica821 He literally shown screenshots of it during the "human shield of fanboys" part 19:18
Nintendo: does bullshit
Nintendo Fans: spend hours explaining why nintendo did not do bullshit, its good actually, theyre allowed to do it
"they're legally allowed to kill your entire family if you pirate super adventure island 2 on the SNES. and imo they should"
Nintendo fans are real professional bootlickers. they don't even have to pay them to kiss their ass, be cause they will do it for free!
@Bold_One bro wtf
If xbox did this, they'd be crucified 100x over lol.
Halo Infinite's graphics were heavily disliked and dissected. Pokemon Arceus is releasing, it looks worse than a gamecube game, and Nintendo fans are calling people entitled for making fun of it.
The cool part is the disliking worked for halo
Problem is that Xbox always did shill their graphics to be top of the line, and Halo Infinite was a train light at the end of the tunnel after years of shit from 343. As bad as Arceus is, its another spot on the usual high quality of Nintendo games. Plus fans that aren't in the church of Nintendo just get their faces kicked in thanks to games being barely fucking playable on launch. Either you get good games reliably or shitty games with ok management, pick your poison.
@fck peace Nintendo fans typically don't play the games for the graphics and that approach has previously ruined the video game industries focus on quality in the past with consoles like the atari jaguar and amiga cd32
literally any other company would be crucified if they did that shit, and yet Nintendo fanboys don't even bother making a fuss about it.
it's almost as if Nintendo fanboys treat Nintendo like a divine entity or some shit... the Nintendo fandom and Christianity are looking eerily similar
Pokemon has a different business model. Its like 80% of their revemue comes from merch. As long as they make new retards to catch, they will be churning out cash.
One thing I really wished Nintendo had is the ability to respect fangames. Their acts have scared pretty much everybody, and I can't see a single fangame post without "Inb4 Nintendo takes it down"
Bro please tell me how youre everywhere youre scary
@@Astralinksz I just wanna comment lol, don't see why it's a problem
@@Astralinksz if he/she/they are everywhere, you are too, you special human
I wonder what would happen if a fan game creator were to have responded by doxxing their lawyers, a bunch of people vandalized their headquarters until they stopped with the practices, or if a bunch of fan game creators came together to make a fan game that was designed to piss off Nintendo?
I’m not saying the former two should happen, I’m just morbidly curious.
@@Pixelcraftian they're just spooked by how much they see you in comments. I'm assuming you're a Nintendo fan, and they're a Nintendo fan, so you two probably see the same content plenty much
Nintendo: "Shuts down modders and fangame makers and gives them crippling fines so they can never work again"
Sega: "Hires fangame makers to create one of the best Sonic games to date"
Sega does what Nintendont huh.
Nintendo can and should enforce the basic idea that an average joe cannot create material based on Nintendo's copyrighted franchises.
@@andyblanton6570 They can and SHOULDN'T*
You don't see so much backlash on SEGA to that front.
@@andyblanton6570 ain't most of it considered transformative enough and fair use provided that you are not making money from it, and if someone had money to fight with Nintendo in court, then after long and drown out battle would be able to win this case?
@@GrayFoxHound9 no. Nintendo owns their franchises. Nobody else can make games based on those franchises without Nintendo's blessing. This is not up for debate and it never will be.
The modders and fangame makers knew the consequences going in.
I have just heard about the Palworld incident involving the devs and the Pokemon Company, and, well...
This video could not get any more true.
Damm, now were seeing that with GMOD
Reminds me of how Apple fans were for years and even to this day but on a much more ridiculous level
There are the "Apple-can-do-no-wrong"ers then there are people that fall into the class of owning one or more Apple products that see through the smoke and mirrors, and criticize their mostly shit decisions as of late. They just rest on the laurels of the past now. Without iPhone, Apple would plummet to the depths of Abaddon.
Yeah it's this same sense of the company knowing best and you're just catching up with what the company wants for you.
Apple is somehow even worse
Nintendo fanboys and Apple fanboys are pretty similar, yeah.
I've always see Nintendo like the Apple of videogames. They limit what you can do by getting behind the "law" and no matter what shitty practices they have, fans will still buy their products.
Unlike Apple though, they make a good product.
Nintendo, in my opinion, is also like the MLB in a sense: shitty dude running the business, but still making a shitton of money, and producing decent games
You can say that about the big 3.
they hate fangames
@@gatst7680 >good products
>$60 wii port
This was a fantastic video, super engaging the whole way through. It's refreshing seeing someone with such reach share so many of my thoughts on Nintendo and its fanbases.
Yo wassup AsumSaus
you both have the same voice its a little offputting
I was literally watching your pika video
holy crap it's the melee facts guy
I agree with guys also I love your videos A.S
Nintendo fans: the eShop is being shut down, what a scummy move by Nintendo
Nintendo fans seeing new TOTK footage: OMG FORGIVE AND FORGET NINTENDO IS THE BEST COMPANY EVER!!!
My version:
Nintendo, that’s not really good of you to shut down the eShop. It’s no wonder I’m emulating stuff.
But I will admit, Tears of the Kingdom is pretty neat.
not just totk. They released the mario movie DAYS after.
Rudd's Version. They stopped me from buying from games from them. And yet. I bought forgotten. All things seems alright. Until Tears of Kingdom and super Mario Brothers movie. I drew my line and belike "you shall not pass". However the movie somehow passed the. Unluckily the movie score lower than 90 on my review. Due to a grudging beef with illumination. And countless cliche tropes and grew tired of. Not to mention the licensed soundtrack somehow keeps pissing me off.
@@wizardoferror9942Which console’s eshop are we referring to?
@@fortynights1513 Wii U
I just fucking realized something... the year of luigi was in 2013... nintendo claimed ad revenue on user-generated youtube videos on the same year... OH MY GOD! I'VE FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY THE YEAR OF LUIGI WAS AN DISASTER! it wasn't because of the wii u or luigi himself... It was nintendo themselfs fucking up on youtube!
Heh.
nice call
Great comment.
Though the Wii U and it’s game releases that year may have had *something* to do with the disaster. 😂
"Perhaps if the company spent as much effort improving their own retro offerings as they do litigating the passionate fans who make better alternatives, there wouldn't be as much of an underground market to litigate"
I think that sums up this whole strategy perfectly.
Nope stop
When you're using a hammer every problem becomes a nail
@@godzpeedx7ii75
something your mother should have said before going ahead with giving birth to you
(Laughs in SEGA)
You are just mad cuz Nintendo never added bob's game
why didnt they add grand dad 😒
Your comment got buried :(
I lav bobs gaim Y
@@MacenW good
LOL, i love you pelo
This video aged like wine.
A very good wine
The whole pointcrow situation just makes this more depressing
I've heard, frustringly a bunch of people are going to be blaming the devs and employees rather than thinking for a moment that it's actually their broken DMCA/bot team in Japan that doing it
@@M64bros It’s not. One of his videos was given a strike, then the rest of his videos were purposely bunched into another strike so his channel would be at risk of termination. It was purposeful, and I don’t think a bot did that.
@@g.O.O.dMusik Probably their DMCA team, UA-cam has a really screwed up system from the gecko.
@@M64bros Motherfucker you are literally as shown on TV
@@M64bros Nintendroid detected, opinion rejected.
Project M was one of the many sacrifices to Nintendo, but the passionate developers are undeterred. You can check out a continuation of the mod here: projectplusgame.com/
EDIT: Nevermind! They shut this one down too, lol
twitter.com/RiptideSSB/status/1431345822566912008
Great video, Hopefully this will go further down the line and make a big impact.
@Marco Zepeda so true marco
I'm sure this video won't convince anybody, but at least it made me feel a bit of validation. Thank you. My best friend belongs to the Nintendo cult, though he isn't so outspoken to jump down my throat whenever I point out something like the blatant removal of features in games to be resold as 15 dollar figurines that will likely be scalped. He does, however, deny that such acts are wrong.
pog
They knock us down, but we always get back up.
Nintendo is so bad at offering alternatives, while denying fan-made solutions. And I think they truly don't care, because they know they don't have to actually try to make fat bank.
I think they just enjoy being dicks. how else can you ignore thousands of people saying they will keep giving you money for rereleasing your old stuff reasonably? That'd be like if McDonalds blatantly axe the breakfast menu, and told thousands of people to piss off when they ask for it.
Not saying I agree with Nintendo, because I don't but there is definitely another side of that coin. As in making 75% of a game and expecting your users to finish the other 25% or more on their own. *glares intently at Bethesda*
I think it’s more the case that they try to force us to play the way that they think is “correct” rather than them not trying.
@@OtterTreySSArmy counterpoint: pokemon sword/shield is half of a game (half of one game, they are literally the same game), and they'll probably have you thrown in jail if you try to fix it for them (I know it's gamefreak that makes the pokemon games, but nintendo is still the one with the anti modding policy and striking down people's romhacks)
How many times will this notion go on?
1.- Melee tournaments and the fanbase divide the attention towards Ultimate, which is their "latest" Smash that is still being sold. Nintendo literally has nothing to gain from Melee being around and do not want to remotely support them due to various reasons (using copied versions of the game), hacking the game with Slippy, their constant non-esports and immature actions (Smash tourneys being considered smelly, throwing crabs at people, etc.) and again, no profit incentive.
Nintendo literally has no reason to remotely care about Melee and its audience.
2.- Fangames literally take from the original source for free. They are not just going to hire every impressive game team because as a company, they have to discuss and approve every project, so just saying "Yeah, champ. Let's rerelease Super Mario 64 with mods together!" isn't going to happen if the board does not think SM64 or any other fan game project won't sell or if it interrupts the success of other products.
3.- Mother 3 will never be localized because of the touchy elements ( drug scene comes to mind) that are in there. Unless it is getting remade, the original GBA game will never, ever be localized.
If censored or altered significally, will it even be worth it anymore? Just use an Emulator.
4.- Mario 3D All-Stars IS the definitive versions of those games officially. It does not matter how good the Spyro or Crash remakes are since they are NOT Mario.
Mario's games are more valuable in the market than most of Sony's mascots combined. The Prime minister dressed up as Mario, the Kansai airport has Mario welcome you to Japan, Mario games STOMP most if not all of the mascots from other companies.
There is no reason for Nintendo to suddenly remake games that are already valuable and "good" as they are.
Also the video calling whoever they disagree in infantile manchildren is pity.
Anyone with basic study of marketing can recognize the reason behind what nintendo does.
the fact that this video hasnt aged at all fucking sucks bro
nintendo and their fans are a disease
Funny how Nintendo released the February direct as soon as they striked GilvaSunner and still to this day hasn’t released an alternative to listening to their OST’s
It wasn't Nintendo it was someone impersonating Nintendo
@@M64bros no it wasn’t, UA-cam themselves got involved into the situations and confirmed it was Nintendo.
About Project M: Dan Salvato, the developer of Doki Doki Literature Club, was one of the people who worked on PM! In fact, after THAT part of DDLC, the opening splash will occasionally be replaced, and one of the possible splashes reads, "Project M died for this."
And DDLC is now on Nintendo consoles.
@@liammcnicholas918 Despite ALL the events, the objective of these companies or of Dan Salvato will always remain the same. money..
Thanks Nintendo! Now you caused the traumatization of several thousand children with the suicide scene. And now on the Switch!
@@liammcnicholas918 How ironic if it still includes that hidden message
@@memethemastermonarch9459Trauma = Maybe a few days of trouble falling asleep lmao
Don't forget another recent one: "this other company did something worse therefore Nintendo gets a pass"
"Bro why are you complaining about Nintendo shutting down all competitions, Riot and Blizzard and Activision are sexist, it could be worse".
These are the kinds of people who would thank their captors for only spitting in their face and feeding them break, as opposed to breaking their arms and feeding them nothing, and say "well really you should be thankful".
As long as EA is at large, every other issue in the video game industry should take a backseat. If we all focus on one issue at a time, we can deal with everything more efficiently. We should deal with EA, then mobile games.
@@Winasaurus This is the one I see way too much on twitter.
inb4 "Nintendo did nothing wrong"
@@andyblanton6570 Clown🤡
"Emulating Nintendo games is like screenshotting NFTs"
They're both morally correct.
yeah that seems about right
You SHOULD screenshot NFTS AND emulate NINTENDO GAMES
a year later and nintendo fans aren't self-aware
Children aren't, and these people never left neverland
well i mean, they are professional idiots so that's not all that surprising to me.
sbof
nope, update on fan and moding projects, they strike'd PointCrow Channel twice for showing footage of botW Multiplayer mod (he also funded modders to do it for 10k grand). and claimed all his ad-revenue for the other videos they haven't striked yet.
as you imanged , his channel and livelyhood is in jeopardy because of nintendo, and the ninjas have effectively checkmated him into submission.
can confirm, nintendo fans are not self-aware at all.
I kind of did. But that was sort of a few years ago because now I’m starting to have less fun with their games now, or really gaming in general. So I sort of stopped buying and playing their games, at least for now. But then I watched this video long after it came out, and I took Emp’s advice here. But I also treat the same thing to other companies like Disney for example. I have never been the same ever since Puss in Boots the Last Wish came out and Disney is still releasing garbage cash grabs or mediocre films. The same applies with Nintendo right now. In fact, I’m becoming more and more tempted to completely transfer over the PlayStation or Steam. It hurts more because of one last reason for me to stay or leave: and that’s Tears of the Kingdom. It’s outrageous for us to spend like $70, but as the trailers keep coming and we get to see more gameplay, it’s harder to tell whether or not the game would actually be worth the price. But regardless, I will try to search for a cheaper price because that’s to be expected. But depending on how that game goes, if it’s bad. Well then it’s game over for them.
At least for now, I am self aware, but I’m not sure if that’s me being ignorant or dumb or whatever. But it helps the fact that I’ve watch a good majority of Emp’s videos for better understanding of different situations. However, it’s weird to know that many other Japanese companies do the same ever since penguinz0 released another video about the PointCrow copyright video and I read a bunch of comments saying that other Japanese companies do the same thing. I’m not sure whether or not this is true, but from what they’ve said as well as other stuff that seems to be true, I think I can place my bets on them. The first time I saw those videos, I wasn’t surprised at all that this would’ve happened ever since I’ve watched this video as well as the Copyright Metagame videos. So really I’ve grown tolerant to this sort of thing, but it’s still something I would be angry about regardless because obviously. I don’t take anymore sh*t from them at all. Not until they stop hurting their fans and actually start to act like an actual good company. Some argue that it still is, but with the newer releases of games like Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, it becomes harder to say. However, the emulation side of it with the Expansion Pass makes it easier for me to say no to that answer, and again, depending on how TOTK will go, I’m either going to hold my doubts or not do that. It’s fine enough they make good games. It’s just the company itself that should bug people in the wrong way.
I think I’ve said enough though. So I’ll leave it there.
I find it weird and hilariously sad that Nintendo fans show more discontent about Nintendo putting an anime-esque character in their game rather than shutting down fan games which people poured their hearts in.
Muh scrimblo bimblo
@@Don_Porculio just you wait he’s coming
@@hatefulgaming1800 Marco from Metal Slug is the final fighter. You heard it here first.
@@Don_Porculio my money is on another character from fire emblem
@@hatefulgaming1800 It's more likely to be a Pokemon lol
“You could make a religion out of- no don’t”
-bill wurtz
it's actually "no, don't"
Exactly.
the comment would've been better without the "-bill wurtz"
@@okarowarrior
"That's kinda how quotes work."
- Some Guy, Probably
Oops, accidentally did anyways
This is the horrible state of gaming where it feels like every single person in the gaming cummunities is a 2 year old fanboy. I just can’t enjoy gaming anymore even how hard I try
You'd find a lot more satisfaction playing with actual children. Like I do.
@@Laiser what the fuck
@@Laiser
I don’t think it’s a good idea to hang around kids my guy.
@@Laiser HOLY SHIT MY GUY!
@@nutterinherbutter5080 ITS THE DESENDENT OF EDP! NO! GET HIM TO JAIL NOW!!
nintendo fans````
You can have your ideal, friendly Nintendo in your memories while still treating them like the corporation that they are. You don’t have to delete your nostalgia. Nintendo was your friend when you were a kid, and they always will be in your memories, but they aren’t now
Based senator Armstrong
Nintendo was never your friend, you liked one of their games and that's it
@@salade5324 you’re missing the point
You could easily make your point without blatantly lying.
i may have grown up with them and had some good memories playing their games, but now being older i see them for what they really are. just another big corporation, and one of the shittier ones too. they might not be Bethesda or Activision/Blizzard levels of bad, but they are still pretty shitty.
the games themselves aren't bad (for the most part) but i feel i just can't support a company that treats their fans like shit for even making fanmade projects out of love for the franchises they graced the world with. it's sad that they are like this, but it's not like we can really do anything about it now, especially considering the fanboys will always defend them, even for the dumbest of actions.
Thank god for John Carmack, one of the biggest Chads in the programming world.
"The benevolent hyper intelligent architect of the post singularity simulation we all live in, John Carmack."
-Civvie 11
He is one of the greatest modern programmers out there.
The space warlock himself
@@theraymunator I knew this quote was somewhere in this comment section. Godspeed fellow dungeoneer!
He did it twice too.
He created a new version of the build engine.
And... just released the source code.
Ion Fury runs on it.
You either die the hero, or live long enough to become Nintendo.
I think Valve has done a pretty decent job of surviving and not becoming completely evil.
@@minebrandon95264 Doesn't matter. Nintendo is trying to become disney 2.0.
@@minebrandon95264 we’re talking about Nintendo, go on a Disney video
@@minebrandon95264 … dude, look at the video you’re on. We all know the shit Disney does, that’s not what we’re talking about. Like really.
@@minebrandon95264 The video isn't about Disney
twitter "anticapitalists" when someone insults Nintendo
Shigeru Miyamoto himself could slap the dogshit out of a Nintendrone and they'll come back asking for seconds.
You nailed it with the church analogy. A controversy isn’t a crisis for Nintendo, but a chance for the fans to show their undying faith. This way, each fiasco actually strengthens their position,instead of hurting them like any other company
Analogy?
it's okay, you can say star citizen. you don't have to pretend.
So they're like Disney fans?
@@astarteswillum5259
Except Nintendo actually makes good games more than they don't
@@redline841 No
Nerrel put it best when he said: “Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do”
_smacks table_
THANK YOU. So many people don't get this idea and treat law as infallible.
Legal and moral are not always the same thing.
@@Super_Suchi they're usually antithetical
that's how the law works
damn, he really was the first person to figure that one out? crazy
"Gamers deserve what they choose to tolerate."
-- A wise Internet user
Nintendos blatent hatred for emulators is made all the more funny when it's their own actions that lead to that market needing to exist. Making inferior ports, or just holding the games hostage forever tends to make people go around the paywall to free, and sometimes better versions of the games, with more options and features. Meanwhile Nintendo wants to sell rereleases for more money, for limited times, and sometimes being worse or removing motion controls(I think they removed motion controls from one game right?)
Idk, but I do know that Dolphin took all the motion controls out of Super Mario Galaxy for free.
if Nintendo actually gave the people what they wanted, then they wouldn't have to even consider worrying about it.
but of course this is Nintendo we're talking about, they probably don't even care enough to even make better products.
And while all this happening, you can order tons of bootleg, knockoff, low-budget Chinese compilation consoles full of with original and/or hacked ROMs from big retailers like Amazon, Ali Express, ect, and nothing happens. What a fucking joke…
"They can charge $20 a year for a barely functional online service"
how about $50 a year for a barely functional online service, plus some n64 games (one of which was already in a collection), sega genesis games (all of which are on a game collection that's literally on the same console) and some animal crossing items?????????????
And what about a barely upgraded model of their console with a slightly better screen selling for almost the same price as a Steam Deck (a full fledged handheld PC)
The video got ratioed to all hell, its also lesser impact as it is completely optional
@@dejiko and the fanboys continue to compare it to the ps vita as if that's the highest bar the switch can ever set in 2021
@@Nighttale233 The Vita still had more bluetooth features and backwards compatibility options at launch, so the switch loses on the launch as well lol
not to mention a nintendo 64 emulator that is the worst it's ever been, even when you compare it to other similarly bad ones like the Wii U
Excellent video! Worth noting, Japanese companies IN GENERAL have a much harsher, scorched Earth approach to copyright. New Japan Pro Wrestling forcibly removed Showbuckle's channel, whose vids were incredible free advertising for them, and then took down his VIMEO channel. It was like a Mafia hit. Hopefully Japanese companies can realise how user-driven content is worth many millions in free advertising.
Oh me meow OSW on a EmpLemon video!
I remember that NJPW incident, that was pure bollocks
Tbf Sega is a Japanese company too and they are much more lenient and fair when it comes to copyright and their fans
@@pluckee Well, yeah....... You're not your race. But that doesn't mean you can't notice the differences in countries habits especially in business, where we have sony and nintendo dicking us down as hard as they can, and the american in the console race is just so inept and bad at everything they might as well be Google
Every gen is 3 steps forward 10 steps back
Didn’t Sony originate in Japan?
@@pluckee The large majority of Sega's console sales didn't come from Japan, they came from the international sphere. Sonic is considerably more popular outside of Japan. Sega kind of has to play outside of typical Japanese company conventions as a result.
and less than a year later, you can't even ratio these companies anymore
yep
coincidence, I THINK NOT!
@@danielpruitt8550 it's almost like they're all cowards and lobby for superficial things to preserve a flimsy image
Nothing’s stopping you from pressing dislike buttons, but they won’t be seen by the public
@@danielpruitt8550nah that's to protect the man in the white house right now. He was getting ratio'd so UA-cam is going to bat for them
When I say I like Nintendo, I mean that I like Nintendo's creative team. When I say I hate Nintendo, I mean I hate their legal team
I agree with this sentiment
They're the same though, it seems you really did not watch the video fully
@@orlandofurioso7329The terrible business practices being the case don’t disqualify the creative teams from being talented.
In my opinion anyway.
@@fortynights1513 The games are very good, but if you don't want the bad part of Nintendo you should refute the good as well because, if not, the bad will thrive
@@orlandofurioso7329Longer comment incoming, if you don’t read it, I wouldn’t blame you.
Here’s the way I look at it:
If you enjoy the games that’s your prerogative, if you don’t enjoy the games that’s your prerogative.
As long as you’re honest with yourself, then there’s nothing immoral here from the consumer’s perspective.
In my case, I simultaneously enjoy a number of Nintendo games, and am critical of the copyright takedowns and attitudes towards emulation and tournaments among other things (for the record, if I ran Nintendo, I would consider hiring people who made the mods instead of getting rid of them, and maybe even selling them in the eshop with virtually all proceeds going to the modder, and I’d be thrilled about the tournaments being a thing).
Another thing that isn’t mentioned in this video that I’ll also add, is that there’s a lack of re-releases of games that were region locked when they were originally released (Ex: Mother 3 was only released in Japan).
All of that being said, one of the things I’ve thought is that revising copyright law (which I’d argue is very outdated given the presence of the internet), and convincing the company that esports are a good business investment are things that could potentially improve the situation more than boycotting their products.
If copyright law (which hasn’t been touched since 1998 in the U.S. to my knowledge) is revised appropriately, then many of the emulators they took down wouldn’t have qualified for takedown, and virtually none of the modded fan games would.
And if you convinced them that esports are a good investment, then we could reach a point where their developers put on tournaments like other esports (correct me if I’m wrong).
If they are so greedy, then convincing them that there’s money to be made there could change their attitude towards competitive tournaments, and they might not shut tournaments down.
If you want to argue that not buying their games through them would accomplish more, then I could see that argument.
But in my opinion, revising outdated copyright law, convincing them that esports have the potential to be profitable, as well as convincing Nintendo that they are costing themselves money through impressions by restricting their IP’s in general would accomplish even more.
Admittedly, those are all easier said than done, but that’s what I think, what do you think?
"All you ever do is complain!"
Dude, keep complaining, these are always a great watch.
Wait, you’re making fair criticisms towards something that you are discontent with in it’s current form and you hope that your input will help them improve and get better?
Wow, you’re such a baby, stop complaining
@@MorbidMindedManiac true
@@MorbidMindedManiac its a joke from a previous video, hes praising emp here
@@MorbidMindedManiac imagine thinking this was fair criticism lol
@@bareq99 I don’t have to imagine
Thank you for making this video and bringing more attention to this, Emp. Means a lot to me, both as a modder and a fan of Melee.
i hope you aren't as spineless and innocent as the devs of project m. Believing empty lies of nintendo
@@sakesaurus1706
Pretty sure the lawsuit thing was just a cover by the Project M devs because they didn't want it competing with Icons.... which then proceeded to crash and burn.
Hey I saw your mod from few weeks ago
Yoo!!
It's the funnyman who does the funny mods!
Yoo!!
How many times will this notion go on?
1.- Melee tournaments and the fanbase divide the attention towards Ultimate, which is their "latest" Smash that is still being sold. Nintendo literally has nothing to gain from Melee being around and do not want to remotely support them due to various reasons (using copied versions of the game), hacking the game with Slippy, their constant non-esports and immature actions (Smash tourneys being considered smelly, throwing crabs at people, etc.) and again, no profit incentive.
Nintendo literally has no reason to remotely care about Melee and its audience.
2.- Fangames literally take from the original source for free. They are not just going to hire every impressive game team because as a company, they have to discuss and approve every project, so just saying "Yeah, champ. Let's rerelease Super Mario 64 with mods together!" isn't going to happen if the board does not think SM64 or any other fan game project won't sell or if it interrupts the success of other products.
3.- Mother 3 will never be localized because of the touchy elements ( drug scene comes to mind) that are in there. Unless it is getting remade, the original GBA game will never, ever be localized.
If censored or altered significally, will it even be worth it anymore? Just use an Emulator.
4.- Mario 3D All-Stars IS the definitive versions of those games officially. It does not matter how good the Spyro or Crash remakes are since they are NOT Mario.
Mario's games are more valuable in the market than most of Sony's mascots combined. The Prime minister dressed up as Mario, the Kansai airport has Mario welcome you to Japan, Mario games STOMP most if not all of the mascots from other companies.
There is no reason for Nintendo to suddenly remake games that are already valuable and "good" as they are.
Also the video calling whoever they disagree in infantile manchildren is pity.
Anyone with basic study of marketing can recognize the reason behind what nintendo does.
I enjoy Nintendo’s games more than any other dev. That’s why I jailbroke my switch to mod my copy of smash, and why I got an emulator so I could relive my memories of Mario Kart Wii. It’s why my roommate and I 100% completed Mario 3D World.
Hell, the Pokemon anime was my gateway into anime in general, and that’s what got me into writing, which is now what’s inspiring me to become a teacher.
But I only got into Pokemon because I played a digital rom of Pokemon Yellow on a website when I was bored. And learning how to jailbreak my switch took me multiple days and was restrictively difficult/expensive. And I was only able to relive my Mario Kart Wii childhood because I had Dolphin to emulate the game that I had 0 access to anymore.
Nintendo doesn’t have to “convince” me to buy their games. Most of them are really, really good. The fact that there isn’t a definitive best game for most of their franchises shows just how much quality they pour into these. So it’s depressing, then, that they feel so restrictive. Let us mod. Let us jailbreak. Let us take these games of yours we love, and run with them. Stop putting us on a leash like a dog.
The Nintendo Seal of Quality was never about quality or "protecting the industry." It was about controlling competition on their own platform. It allowed Nintendo to limit and curate third party releases in a given quarter, ensuring that those games wouldn't outshine their first party slate. For a hardware manufacturer, first party software sales generate more revenue than third party software sales. For example, the reason Sega lost a ton of revenue during the final half of the Genesis' lifespan was because third party publishers were outselling Sega on their own platform, which meant Sega was only getting slim royalties from the Genesis' robust software sales. And now you know why Nintendo treats third parties like bastard stepchildren!
the seal of quality was just meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
@@skeletonmemelord7779 it was meant for the old era when nobody could really tell the difference between the quality of Pac-Man and E.T.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
@coolasf1 They hated him because he spoke the truth
@coolasf1 You are literally the person Emp was making fun of. Super butthurt lmao.
@coolasf1 why so salty?
@coolasf1 "Nintendo always puts out high quality games that release in a complete state with little to no bugs or glitches."
Animal crossing new horizons, pokemon sword and shield, melee.
You need any more examples?
Well i hear mario golf is trash still excited for metroid tho
Nintendo adults are terrifying people sometimes. It's okay to have found memories of things (I mean I do like Bowser obviously) but there is this kind of hive mind mentality amongst a lot of them. It's like "the world is scary and my parents didn't prepare me to be an adult so I need to fervently defend this huge corporation because they help me bury myself further in my nostalgia hole."
Woah, that wording is right on the money dude. I think that's a big part of why the "nintendo fan manchild" stereotype exists.
I mean as a diehard fan myself, it is unfair to lump all of them together because some assholes attacked Emp on Twitter. Like I could say the exact same thing about Playstation or XBox for example. Like aggressive fanboys are toxic, regardless of what they are fanboying over. So our fanbase has a bunch of manbabies in it. But so does yours.
Nintendo fans are freaky in their obsession. ESPECIALLY ones with Bowser as the profile pic.
...I was a die-hard fan. NES all the way through to the mid 2010s. But I haven’t bought anything from them in years because they HATE their fans so much. I’ve also been a Doom fan all the time - the difference in treatment of fans/mods is night and day.
Man, this is one of the few exceptionally good comments I save asscreenshots
you summed up the internet actually
Now that Palworld had released, this problem is only exacerbated further. The game is considered by many Nintendo fanboys as a cheap knockoff that is nothing more than a sin, which uses generative AI and steals Pokémon designs, when in reality Palworld is better than anything game freak and Nintendo have put out arguably since Pokémon sun and moon. Nintendo has started reviewing Palworld for plagiarism, but I hope that the devs and fans of PW won’t let this slide, as Palworld is miles different than Pokémon and doesn’t deserve to be shot down because the fans were butthurt abt PW being better than Pokémon scarlet and violet
Pokemon Co is only saying that they're "looking into it" to appease their whiny fanboys, when the truth is that they would've already sued Pocketpair to hell and back by now if they legally could. Palworld, for now at least, is untouchable and Pokemon bootlickers can only continue to seethe and pull more false allegations out of their asses before resealing them with their Pikachu-tail buttplugs :)
You absolute legend for calling this out. It's insane the amount of mental gymnastics Nintendo fans go through.
@@resyntax another mental gymnastic
“I’m not asking for people to hate the fans”
Didn’t have to.
don’t hate the fans, because it’s not our fault our community is being co opted by retards. it’s just what started happening after the switch came out. the true fans actually do criticize Nintendo. it’s just the normies invaded.
@@foolishfool3310 the true fans know when to love and when to criticize Nintendo, the losers are either bootlicking or are whining about anything Nintendo does.
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral, “cringe”, and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
I don't hate the fans, I just have a severe disdain for them and their militant loyalty to a company that will never care for them or what they want
@@modernkiwi6447 but hey, at least they are not PlayStation fans. This is why I still have faith.
Nintendo fans: try to support Nintendo and its games with free advertising
Nintendo: you’re not affiliated with me!
*copyright strikes people for using their music*
Correction, *copystrikes for mass uploading all of their music completely monetized by the uploader*
@@HEARTHLINGjoel shlurp
@@HEARTHLINGjoel you didn't watch the video did you?
@@HEARTHLINGjoel your name checks out
@@HEARTHLINGjoel uh... u know Nintendo isn't in the music industry right
Oh shit, very surreal to hear my old Wario Ware remix in an emplemon vid 17:15.
congrats man
$70 Switch games going forward.
Oh look it's me. 3:47
Thank you emp :)
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I think platforms like Twitter tend to distort perspectives on how influential these die hard fans actually are on Nintendo's bottom line. At the end of the day, diehards only represent a fraction of Nintendo's cash flow. I bet a lot more of the reason Nintendo couldn't give a shit about their fans is because of how broad and casual of a market they sell their games to. The average person who picks up the new Pokemon game is probably just completely apathetic to the cause of comparatively niche eSports scenes :((
Pokemon's games are only a fraction of the earnings of the franchise. 70% of the revenue the franchise generates is merchandise,
The games are just excuses to pump out merchandise.
I second this completely. This video should be named "Shitting on nintendo fanboys and blaming them for the company's mediocrity while not even touching the fact that they dominate the family-casual market". The last part when somebody answered to Emp saying that they don't give a crap about the freemelee shit really explains a lot of the situation. That person wasn't a nintendo fanboy for saying that, they were one person out of the majority of consumers that are ignorant to nintendo porblems as a company. I love Emp but this video really didn't hit the mark for me.
I have both Pokémon and Smash..... and I couldn't care less about about competitive cause I've always had a negative viewpoint towards PvP in general as a horribly toxic sweatlord wasteland where at any moment you can end up on the receiving end of a shit kicking by a pro league player.
@@Kasum_ish just because fans are a only one problem, doesn't mean it's not a problem, the people Nintendo is attacking is their fans, that's like saying EA should get away with everything just because their fans are casual kids and football fans buying fifa 2048.
the guy was clearly a nintendo fan, who doesn't care about nintendo treating people like him horribly, it just proves emp's points that Nintendo's fans will forgive nintendo for anything, and i bet that one day, Nintendo will straight up make lootboxes (wich they already kinda did with that animal crossing mobile game) and people woudn't mind because "nintendo is for casuals, they don't care"
and like he said, mistreatment of competitive esports are only one problem, what about the people who make fangames or emulators?
@@Sonichero151 what about the people who make fangames or emulators? it doesn't matter what you think about the fandom itself, this is about nintendo doing terrible buisness choices, a game might have the most toxic fanbase, but that doesn't mean they can be forgiven for disrespecting a man's death AND shutting down a mod wich was made with passion towards the community.
Hey Yuzu fans, welcome
Nintendo C&D’ing the Garry’s Mod Steam workshop right now. I mean, COME. ON. That’s 20 years of modding history. Thank f**k for other mod-hosting sites.
It's hard to watch this video without facepalming over Nintendo constantly
It's just the truth of it, in the end. It's a bitter pill to digest, but if you're in that precise demographic, it means you're exiting out of "fan hypnosis" or such and you're starting to consider alternatives, protest and reject a more sterile way of entertaining yourself.
At least that's how I see it for everyone, since recentely they have "woken up".
Oh, hi.
@Sunkist 01 That's a really extremized take. Why would it be needed to bully people to change their opinion?
@Sunkist 01 I love Nintendo’s games but really disagree with their business decisions. What does that make me? And most of their catalog is amazing!
We're all here for this and to account the fact that we don't want mediocrity anymore, bringing back cringe culture is not on the agenda of anyone.
Impressive you went in all this and didn’t talk about the shit show that is the Pokémon company
Hopefully that’ll be in another video
Wait what happened with Pokémon
@@GangGang-qk1se Don't get me started, I'll be here all day.
@@GangGang-qk1se You can find many videos on UA-cam discussing the dumpster fire that is Pokémon Sword and Shield and all of the shady and scummy shit The Pokémon Company has done recently
@@GangGang-qk1se The Pokemon company is where all the greed goes for Nintendo. And it leads to a situation where Pokemon games are really shaky with the community, where the community ain't fairing any better and could rival Smash with their controversies. It's a real mess of a situation that people overly simplify.
The fact this continues to be relevant is astonishing
It's only astonishing if you don't realize that most consumers don't know or care about any of this which is why Nintendo never will be affected.
@@ausgod538Most customers don’t know or care because their experience with Nintendo begins and ends with buying games and consoles.
People who emulate, or mod games or participate in tournaments are those who end up facing the company’s copyright practices criticized here.
He gave the examples of the Sephiroth and Byleth reveals.
One of them was a character that fans of the Smash games wouldn’t have preferred to see in Ultimate, and Sephiroth those people likely favored being in the game.
There probably was some backlash to the business practices mentioned by those affected by them, but on a smaller scale that would be outnumbered on the like/dislike bar, whereas the disapproval of Byleth would be more noticeable because it was a change in a game their main consumer base bought.
If Nintendo was say an esports tournament company that shut down tournaments, those actions would be criticized by a larger portion of their customer base, and it would probably show up in like/dislike bar totals.
This is not to say that the games are flawless, or haven’t been overpriced, but it is to say that if your experience with Nintendo is only as a typical customer, then I’m not sure how many of the things criticized here would impact your experience with Nintendo save for the overpriced items at the end.
It’s so strange how Nintendo fights its competitive scene so intensively, especially considering how much goddamn money competitive markets make for developers
its 100% old executives just refusing to budge on a decision they were wrong about years and years ago but since they don't wanna let go of their pride they refuse to change even while the rest of industry laps them
I think it’s bc nintendo fears the controversy that sometimes stems from it hurting their image which they believe offsets the potential benefits of having it at all. Doesn’t help either that there has been a fuckton of drama over the years in the competitive scenes of Nintendo games like in smash bros where in 2020 there was a literal list of people in the smash community who were accused of doing a bunch of awful shit which probably proved nintendos suspicions.
@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 why does it matter? What some people in the community did will never reflect how a company or the entire fucking community look. How is it that because of some stupid individuals, the whole group of people must suffer the consequences?
Have you been to Japan, it's a very conversative society, things will be done how they've always been done because that's just how it goes. Same mentality applies to the old ass Nintendo execs that make these stupid decisions
When it comes to copyright enforcement, Nintendo seems to believe that they are a film or music company based on their actions. It's pretty ironic when you consider that Sony, an actual film and music company that also makes video games, doesn't even enforce their rights over their game media as staunchly as Nintendo.
Actually Sony is cracking down hard on Fate Grand Order related music right now. But yeah Nintendo sucks balls as well
I would do the same in Nintendo's shoes, and I know you would too. (Probably)
How many times will this notion go on?
1.- Melee tournaments and the fanbase divide the attention towards Ultimate, which is their "latest" Smash that is still being sold. Nintendo literally has nothing to gain from Melee being around and do not want to remotely support them due to various reasons (using copied versions of the game), hacking the game with Slippy, their constant non-esports and immature actions (Smash tourneys being considered smelly, throwing crabs at people, etc.) and again, no profit incentive.
Nintendo literally has no reason to remotely care about Melee and its audience.
2.- Fangames literally take from the original source for free. They are not just going to hire every impressive game team because as a company, they have to discuss and approve every project, so just saying "Yeah, champ. Let's rerelease Super Mario 64 with mods together!" isn't going to happen if the board does not think SM64 or any other fan game project won't sell or if it interrupts the success of other products.
3.- Mother 3 will never be localized because of the touchy elements ( drug scene comes to mind) that are in there. Unless it is getting remade, the original GBA game will never, ever be localized.
If censored or altered significally, will it even be worth it anymore? Just use an Emulator.
4.- Mario 3D All-Stars IS the definitive versions of those games officially. It does not matter how good the Spyro or Crash remakes are since they are NOT Mario.
Mario's games are more valuable in the market than most of Sony's mascots combined. The Prime minister dressed up as Mario, the Kansai airport has Mario welcome you to Japan, Mario games STOMP most if not all of the mascots from other companies.
There is no reason for Nintendo to suddenly remake games that are already valuable and "good" as they are.
Also the video calling whoever they disagree in infantile manchildren is pity.
Anyone with basic study of marketing can recognize the reason behind what nintendo does.
@@luigifan001 You know that nintendo won’t suddenly get in bed with you cuz of this, right? One or two comments is okay, but you’ve been to EVERY damn comment to spout your rationalizations of nintendo’s awful behavior.
Inb4 “nice debunk”
Sony does enforce their rights dude. Nintendo doesn’t
Tbh it sounds like Nintendo just straight up doesn't like most overseas fans. From an outsider's perspective it looks like they just tolerate the Western fanbase because they make a lot of money for them.
Which is kinda one of the three reasons why, IMO, they still thrive on their strikes, even failed.
The other two are, of course, being a big company nowadays due to saving other big company in the past... AND the most ironic of them all: the majority of the hardcore haters are as much abnormal as many of the most hardcore fans.
At least, that's how I see all this fuss
They only like Japan, USA, first world European Nations and Canada. The rest, they hate.
Looking at the history of Sega, the same could be said of it. In general, I think Japan has been carrying a very big chip on its shoulder even before WW2, having been forced to open up to the world in the mid 1800s and jump hundreds of years in technology from feudal agrarians to a mechanized empire. They are a proud people that I think still have an isolationist attitude to culture and politics but love that sweet cash from abroad. I am not saying it is a wrong attitude to have, but it is one that those who want to relate to them should understand.
Japan has a long history of racism against foreigners, so much so that the word for foreigner in Japanese is considered a slur and is censored on television. It wasn’t uncommon decades ago to see signs in front of restaurants that said “no foreigners allowed” and that was perfectly legal.
Kyoto is probably the most Japanese part of Japan, preserving Japan’s oldest traditions and culture, and Nintendo started in Kyoto-not only from the 1800s, but many of its top employees are from the Kyoto metro area. It makes perfect sense that they would want to shut down anything that a foreigner would try to do with their product that didn’t result in Nintendo making money.
*cries in mother 3*
Remember when Nintendo made millions for selling a LITERAL PIECE OF CARDBOARD?!
bro, Nintendo could sell something as useless as a used condom and the fanboys would pay Nintendo all of their money for it
What cardboard exactly?
@@tiktok-mc2nq yes.
@@skeletonmemelord7779 ya mean LABO
@@tiktok-mc2nq well, that's what LABO is. a bunch of fucken cardboard.
I'm 32 years old, and this diehard rabid cult mentality of the Nintendo fanbase (much like most gaming communities) existed even when I became a regular forum browser when I was 9...
Most people who use the internet nowadays are too young to remember most things so certain periods of time are glorified lol. I see people talk about about great 2012 was for gaming because its nostalgic for them when everyone hated it at the time. Its funny
I can hear the angry typing now.
It’s the sock plushie man! NEED MORE PLUSH! NEED MORE ADAM’S MOM!
"WHAT? You hate EVERYTHING nintendo does? Wow, you're such a bad youtuber. " (this was a joke by the way, to the one person that disliked this post)
it's so loud i fear of clicking the "current comments" button
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I'm surprised to see you here again dude.
Nintendo's always had monopolistic tendencies like this. There was that time in the late 80s where Nintendo had 92% of the market and forced crushing regulations on license holders and third party developers. There was that time when they relentlessly sued and bullied Blockbuster video for allowing game rentals so they could make more money. There were the many times they coerced Tengen out of the market by refusing to supply any store with Nintendo products if they carried Tengen games. Let's also not forget the time Nintendo, for almost an entire decade, also hindered developers from publishing *their own games that they made* on NES for other systems by strictly enforcing mandatory waiting periods. This essentially allowed Nintendo to shove around other companies and to tell developers who they could or could not speak to.
In my opinion Nintendo is one of the worst video game companies out there. They may not have done things nearly as heinous as EA and the like, but those companies at least have to answer for their shit on a regular basis and be constantly kept on the backfoot, while Nintendo's just like "Yeah? So what? You'll buy our shit anyway."
Considering how they acted like this. Im honestly surprised we saw the sega genesis have a chance at breathing.
@@SuperLlama42 no. No that’s more heinous. I need you and everyone for all that is holy to recognize this is far worse. They’re not just scammers or con artists; they are literally rigging a system to fuck you out of your money forever. If EA are thieves, Nintendo’s the mob...or the Yakuza more appropriately. The only reason people will still pretend Nintendo’s not as bad is EA doesn’t elicit nostalgia with their ips. Nintendo is way worse.
No they didn’t have monopolistic tendencies. Also dude they didn’t force crushing regulations and those strict policies were to ensure there wouldn’t be another gaming crash. How are you this stupid?
They didn’t bully blockbuster dude and they didn’t coerced Tengen out of the market. Tengen was created by Atari, the same company that started the video game crash of 83
I cannot believe it...
But somehow this video is STILL RELEVANT!
First they kill 3DS and Wii U's online entirety and now they remoge all Gmod workshop content after over 20 years...
Every time they do something right (ttyd) they make two horrible wrongs.. (gmod addons and the 3ds/wiiu servers)
Nintendo treating their fans like crap and their fans treating them with adoration and turning a blind eye is synonymous to a toxic relationship.
The last second of the video sums up Nintendo Fans perfectly...
I would still enjoy it
IKR. It was spoken so well👏👏
I'm a fan so does that makes me a horrible person?
@@BubbleStarYT Nah it's the shills and toxic twitter scum. Critics, in my opinion, are somewhat justified in their concerns with the company so I can empathise with them while still being a fan
@@BubbleStarYT well if you really do care for the company you would like for them to stop the consumerism and take notes but it’s fine to not care about it and just play their games.
Emp talking about Nintendo is a dream come true.
Yoooo the Danny Brown pfp
you having an AE pfp is a dream come true
D R E A M
Ain't it Funny how it happens?
@@sirpeetthelittle my favorite album. Glad you enjoy it as well :)
rip yuzu. I always check back on this video after each nintendo attrocity that seemingly happens every few weeks
Watch Nintendo fans defend them copyrighting Tears of the Kingdom's game mechanics
We only defend the developers and the employees but the DMCA legal team that makes those decisions we don't
Didn't Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts use some of those *EXACT* same mechanics back in 2008? *16 years* before Tears of the Kingdom?
@@thischannelhasbeenabandoned420 yes, yes it did
"Dont ask me for anything ever again"
~Nintendo, after excecuting someone making an fangame
GAGAGAGAGA I just disliked my own face because I am unpretty. HOWEVER: I always like my GOOD videos however. No dislikes allowed where I come from. Don't be mean, dear run
@@AxxLAfriku not funny
Didn't laugh
@@AxxLAfriku
Im actually suprised you replied to one of my comments lol
Im surprised nintendo hasnt massacred a smash tournament with nintendo trademarked gunmen
knocked it out of the park again, its disturbing how loyal people are to consumerism and corpratism
Sometimes I wonder what CEOs/employees are even thinking every time they make an immoral, unjustified, inhumane, ungodly decision in their workplace
Reggie was the only reason I cared about nintendo because he was cool. now there is *nothing* left.
@@PhoenixTwoFiftySix Him and Iwata. It's my firm belief that after Iwata's passing, Nintendo has been run by a pack of tone-deaf boomers that obey stock holders
@@supermariofan130 Bullshit. Look Iwata was a great man but a lot of these "anti-consumer" policies happened under him just as they are happening now. Nintendo has always been overprotective of their IP's. Nothing new has happened here.
@@blacktainfalcon7097 Respectfully disagree. While he may have been leader during the competitive melee controversy, he was the only leader to cut his salary during the Wii U era for the sake of not letting ppl go.
He contributed in the development of Mario, Zelda, Mother, Metroid, etc.
I fail to see how any sort of the anti-consumer decisions back then would've been Iwata's decision alone.
now they are robbing an innocent modder of his daily salary. I will possibly be modding my switch soon
Wow! Are you serious? That’s crazy
This, while you can buy numerous low-budget, knockoff, Chinese consoles, with their ROMs on them, from retailers like Amazon and Ali Express. What a fucking joke…
Never forget Gilvasunner